>he plays fighting games >he doesnt play on a hit box

I'm poor as hell

It would sure as shit make KBD easy though.

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>>386858917
How do the 3 buttons do 8 directions exactly?

>>386858917
1. I play casually.
2. Arcade controllers are quite too bit to maintain in front of a PC.
3. HOW THE FUCK YOU WILL DO EVEN AN HADOUKEN ON THIS SHIT!?

>>386858917
Im not a pleb that needs an easy mode for inputs

i do play on a self build one.
it's great

>paying for an expensive box with buttons when you can make your own Beatmania IIDX controller.

It sounds like it would be really good for doing microdashes. It's a lot easier to tap a button twice and get it out faster than moving a stick around in all directions.

I've stuck with my MadCatz TE for a few years now, and I've gotten too used to it to change at this point.

>>386859702
The lone red button in the middle is a direction. Pretty sure it's right.

>>386859702
All the red buttons are the directions
Up is the one at the bottom
You just press two at a time to get a diagonal

>>386859986
>>386859702
You can do diagonals by hitting two bottons. Also to DP, it's Forward, down, down forward. I can do eletrics just fine in my own made Hitbox,

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>>386858917
>he plays video games
>he doesn't play with $100 patented Gunnar gamer glasses on

If I go to a tournament and play with a hitbox will they laugh at me?

>>386858917
I just enjoy normal sticks and I think all the options for levers seem fun to try
Ordering a korean lever that fits in a japanese stick now to see if I want to invest in something like an omni
It seems like people shill this thing a lot but I've heard many people end up dropping it because it feels unnatural

>>386858917
How hard is it to make something like this?
I want a good fight stick but Im not laying down 300$ for one
>cragslist
I unfortunetly dont have cragslist here in the great white north.

>>386858917
Have you ever used them OP?
the buttons are for small hands not to mention they spacing between the buttons are extremely close.

>>386860660
You can make your own for about 200, apparently it's fairly easy

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>>386858917
wh-what if you change sides during the fight?

>>386860882
?

>>386858917
I can't play on a keyboard. I don't see how playing on a hitbox couldn't be anything but marginally better.

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>>386860937
the left side of this monstruosity

oh now i think i understand
is this AWD? and the thumb is S?

>>386860251
It's down

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>>386858917
I prefer using a stick

>>386861156
why are you naming them like a keyboard
its just up down left right
and the thumb is up

>>386858917
I'm not autistic.

>>386860773
Are your fingers too big to type on the keyboard you're using right now? Because those keys are smaller and closer together than 24mm Sanwa buttons.

>>386861305
because it is basically a keyboard

>>386861661
okay but nobody refers to directions like a keyboard

>>386859986
>2. Arcade controllers are quite too bit to maintain in front of a PC.
What? You rest them on your lap.

>>386861857
nice to know, thank you
i was just trying to explain myself
i thought for a second this thing worked as:
>up, up/fw, fw, and crouch
and that is why i didn't understand how you would play decently from right to left

>>386860251
>>386861201
It's actually up and you're supposed to use it with your right thumb.

https://youtu.be/ZuGaeg0c-0E?t=141

>>386862046
It's ASD space bar. Left down right jump.

Fantasy Strike is so easy I can play on whatever I want!

I play keyboard, so technically, a very advanced hitbox

>>386858917
I do though. I've been using one since 2011.

>>386862242
Is that game still alive?

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>>386862297
Not for long it won't be.

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>>386861281
same

>>386858917
Smooth 720s without any shortcuts are too hard for me. I tried a lot.

If you're playing something with leniemcy it's ok for a grappler I suppose.

>>386858917
I prefer pads since I use them on everything that isn't a PC game

>>386858917
Are you supposed to use the directional buttons with a finger on each button? That seems retarded.

>>386863027
Its just three fingers. How many do you have?

>>386863092
I'm just saying that for the same reason you only use 1-2 fingers for your buttons on a normal stick, using a different finger for each button on this seems like it wouldn't work very well.

>>386858917
you may as well play on a keyboard, either way you are going to still been trash

I'd prefer that games all have button dashes or autodashes or no dash at all

keyboard makes dashes way easier but commands harder because you can miss diagonals if you go too fast

>>386863241
>1-2 fingers for your buttons on a normal stick
I use 4

also have you never played a PC game. It's the same as WASD

>>386861156
>oh now i think i understand
>is this AWD?
no, thumb is up like how space is jump in most games

that's just a glorified keyboard

console game pads players are the best at every fighting game now that the oldfag arcade goers who can only use sticks lost their reaction times

>>386864227
That's why EVO was won by a pad player. Oh wait.

>>386864676
Punk was the best player though. He lost the mind game, not the skill one.

>>386865549
>he was the better player, he just wasn't mentally capable of winning
>tfw too skilled to win
Fuck off you faggot.

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>>386858917
I do since 2011.

>>386864676
Happened in 2014.
MD|Luffy

Ps1 controller, no less.

>>386866631
What's with the extra 30mm button?

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>>386866631
That's cute, anon. How don't you erase everything while playing, though?

>>386867287
Select button for plinking in SFIV/empty button for mashing to distract the opponent.

>>386867378
There's an acrylic glass on top of the artwork.

>>386858917
I prefer pad, out of curiosity what games do you play and how good would you consider yourself?

>>386858917
This doesn't look like it would be comfortable to do 720s on
It's also not tournament legal usually

>>386867660
It has never been banned at a major tournament since it was created. Not a single time.

>>386868542
They were banned in the year that Super Turbo HDR was at evo as a main game, in that game.

>>386869262
No they weren't because the Hit Box didn't come out until December of the year AFTER that EVO.

>>386858917
Its so easy to spot a hitbox user when playing Guilty Gear, they spam instant air dashes at lighting speed which would probably give you arthritis if attempted on a stick for long periods of time and is too fast for a pad.

What cheap stick should i buy?, i want to move away from keyboard and 360 pad, i was thinking about mayflash f300, i heard they are very compatible and easy to mod.

>>386869425
nigga they were just called keysticks back then and people couldn't use them because there's a glitch in game that lets you walk forward while charging. This "hitbox" meme has been around a long before the shill was making his routine shill threads about them.

>>386869672
and here is the original video that caused the rule to be put in place
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBSVd--mmto

>>386858917

Name one (1) time a shitbox player has won a major. I'll wait.

>>386869672
Pads could do the same shit it wasn't exclusive to any one controller and if you would like to provide the rule that says they were banned by all means because no such thing exists.

>>386858917
I dont like them, I prefer more a controller than this, also no money

>>386869564
>cheap stick
There's no such thing. If you want something that won't fuck up after a month of use, you've gotta shell out your dosh.

>>386869546
Maybe they're just using keyboard? If you're on PC.

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>>386869782
Why does it matter if Daigo Umejimmy hasn't beaten Harry Potter Kun with a hitbox if someone is interested in using it?

>>386869546

Delusional

>>386862509
>what is fantasy strike
a garbage game.

>>386858917
>cheat box

>>386869821
You cannot easily do this on a pad but it is cake on a keyboard. I am not going to dig up a 10 year old tourney thread on SRK to spoonfeed you information you could find on your own if you care so much about your meme-box

>>386870391
It's an irrelevant point anyways because the discussion was that they are usually banned which has been wrong forever. There's nothing stopping anyone from using them in any game at any event.

>>386869840
Can't spend much dude, there aren't many options here in the third world, also i do not compete or anything, just want to get a bit better

>>386858917
Keyboard just as good.

Keyboard maybe better.

>>386858917
Alright. How much does one cost? How much money and effort would it take to make one myself?

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>>386858917
But I do.

>>386860214

I'll reply to any bemani references I see on /v/

>>386869840
Bullshit. The differences in joysticks are vastly exaggerated, and I say that as someone who has sunk thousands of dollars into the different ones over the years.

The standard Hori parts are just as good as the Sanwa and Seimitsu stuff. Better actually in terms of longevity. Hori's standard buttons (which you can buy for pennies off of people on SRK who swapped them out for Sanwa OBSN buttons) are nearly identical to Sanwa's "long life" RG buttons people pay a premium for.

As far as the actual sticks go they are just microswitches and gates. There is nothing there to be "better" other than the tension of the joystick and the amount of slop. The standard Hori sticks are nearly identical to Seimitsu in this regard, and Seimitsu was the standard joysticks Capcom used in their cabs in Japan (Sanwa JLF was found as a default install in VF cabinets).

>>386858917
>>386871160
Why are the two sets of buttons so close together? Isn't that uncomfortable? And it's not like those boxes don't have space

>>386858917
I play grapplers so would rather spin a stick than train my hands to piano directions correctly

>>386871504
We're probably talking about sub-60 bucks pre-made joysticks here, since that's what the poster seemed to have in mind.

>>386871565
>Isn't that uncomfortable?
I was concerned about it myself but it turned out to be pretty damn convenient. You can use your right thumb for jump which makes some moves like instant air dashing or tiger knee easier.

>>386858917
Because arcade sticks are common, hitboxes are not. Being able to play in arcades while visiting Japan is also a plus.

>>386871718
You can find sticks for that price that are still good. The old smaller Hori sticks like the FS3, Soul Calibur Sticks, the cheaper SFIV sticks, and those Mayflash and Qanba sticks can all be found for around or under $60 and they are just fine. Although I would probably suggest going for one of the ones with a larger foot print. Old HRAPs are not that expensive either.

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>>386872165
Depending on which arcade you go to, there are a few hitbox cabs. They're very popular with arcades that specialize in puzzle games, but the occasional FG setup does exist.

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>>386872191
>soul calibur sticks
Correction: Dead or Alive sticks

for 360. These are great quality and go for cheap on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hori-Dead-Or-Alive-4-Fighting-Stick-Xbox-Used-/302387525001?_trksid=p2385738.m2548.l4275

I've been playing on keyboard so I'm feeling like building a hitbox myself. Is it weird that I think I'd like the 'up' button placement on top of the 'down' button? like in the keyboard?

>>386872380
FUCK YEAH, TGM

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>>386871504
>The standard Hori parts are just as good as the Sanwa and Seimitsu stuff.
They really aren't and turn to shit pretty quick

>>386859702
I have to wonder if people like this never played on an emulator before. I have always preferred WASD for directional input in fighting games. Found it easier then, still find it easier.

>>386859049
I learned to play on kb and then bought a hitbox, I love it but I preffer the keyboard because the Buttons are closer so no need to stretch My fingers akwardly

>>386860572
Is that the one where it sits more flush or something?

>>386858917
got my own custom one. More precise than a stick but still hard to get used to. Mainly because I can do quarter circles better in one direction than the other

>>386860572
eh its really only for tekken that its good for.

>>386858917
Idk where to buy one

>>386858917
I don't need it.

>>386860553
Nope no one actually cares what controller you use. Hell I've seen people at my local use a dam keyboard and do fine.

>>386859986
>fighting games on pc
>when teh whole point of fighting games is playing them with the community which is on ps4
Sometimes I get so tired of you cucks railing against the status quo it just gives me type 3 retardobetes thinking about it

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>>386872956
There is nothing to "turn to shit". These are not complicated machines here. It's literally

>two pieces of plastic
>a microswitch

The microswitches themselves are uncomplicated bits of plastic and metal that are sealed. The only way they will go to shit is if you are pouring soda down into your buttons. The switches have a particular rating for how much force is necessary to be activated. Which doesn't matter when you are just smashing the fuck out of them during a match. No good player is EVER just lightly pressing the buttons down only as far as they need to go. They bottom the fuck out of the things every single time.

Joystick and button autism is the cousin of keyboard autism you'd find on a place like geekhack. It's all fascinating to read about and pretend like it makes a difference, but at the end of the day it's all placebo for the most part.

The best players in the world take any old shitty joystick and perform miracles with them, because it's in the player, not the equipment as long as it meets a (not very hard to meet) standard.

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>>386867379

Fuck, thats another level of baiting, I'd fall for it.

>>386869564
Hori mini is really good, once it breaks in about 6-12 months you know if you want to put more money on a good stick.

>>386873652
this absolutely. I've seen footage of players with old dual shock controllers at evo body the fuck out of fuckers with expensive mad katz tourney sticks. So yeah

>>386873652
>There is nothing to "turn to shit"
Okay you really have no idea what you are on about. Something does not have to be complex to turn to shit. If buttons never degraded in quality no one would need to buy new sticks

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>custom joysticks are allowed in tournaments

When is someone finally going to BTFO of this rule and show it for what idiocy it is?

>build custom joystick
>include custom programmable logic board inside
>program it with common inputs
>map inputs to "unused" 7th and 8th buttons or button combinations
>have superhuman reaction times and/or 100% execution

There's getting to be too much money at stake in the FGC, it's just a matter of time before someone gets caught doing this.

>>386866631
cute
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I already have a keyboard Tbh

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>>386874083
Tell me -exactly- what part of the button you think is going to go bad in a month.

>>386873652
>because it's in the player, not the equipment as long as it meets a (not very hard to meet) standard.
Pretty much.

>>386874132
That shit is explicitly against the rules and there's nothing stopping anyone from doing that on any controller anyways besides the event providing all of the controllers, which is not reasonable to do for 2000+ setups and having every different type of controller for everyone to be able to use the thing they prefer.

>>386873652
>buy madkatz se stick
>buttons fuck up within a month
I'm not saying Hori is shit, but not all switches are created equally. Same with sticks where some use levers instead of button microswitches

>>386874410
They'll need to do it for the top 8 of Evo at the least. Being able to use your own equipment is crazy when it comes to something like this.

>>386874132
Because anyone playing at tournament level can already dp 100% of the time. You can't program reaction times into a controller.
I guess you could have it auto combo or 1 frame 720s, but that would be pretty obvious to anyone in the same room as you, and no matter how hard you cheat you're still going to have to spend hundreds or thousands of hours to get good enough to be top level anyway, and if you get caught you're never going to another tournament again. The risk/reward is terrible.

>>386874263
The micro switch mainly, an old stick that you buy for nothing is not gonna last. But according to you if equipment is simple it can never go wrong.

Hey how come no one but some super casual is playing on the exact same stick they were at the start of SF4? According to you top players dominate on old stick but all of them use new sticks

>>386874737
No they don't because the people who make it to top 8 don't cheat and don't want to risk cheating because it's throwing their livelihood away.

>>386875096
It wouldn't let them win in SFV anyways. Hell, even in the realm of SFIV with 1 frame links, ToolAssisted would lose to people online. Macros are no substitution for actual play. The only character that might get a lot out of it would be Balrog with holding down buttons forever

>>386874695
If the buttons fucked up in a month that's your own fault, anon. You don't see thousands of other people calling for mass refunds, which would be the case if they are so shitty.

Hori's standard joystick found in old HRAPs uses a square gate just like a Sanwa JLF. No levers. But lever joysticks are actually just fine, and certainly do not wear out. Happ/IL joysticks use levers and last forever.

The difference between Hori generic joysticks and a Sanwa JLF is placebo. It's in the players heads thinking it will make them better, like wearing Air Jordans.

Personal anecdote: I thought my own Tekken 5 stick was shitty until it was borrowed by Kindevu in some casual matches and he proceeded to kick ass like always with no issues. When he handed the stick back I asked him if he had any problems with it and he responded "no problems / a lot better than arcades". I've had similar experiences with other world-class players.

>>386875096
>the people who make it to top 8 don't cheat
That you know of.

>>386875685
Madcatz SEs were notorious for shitty parts that failed dude. I take care of my shit and it didn't even get much use at the time. I ended up swapping the parts and dual-modding it with another PCB and nothing has failed since. You're retarded if you think cheap as fuck parts don't fail sooner just because it's something as "simple" as a button. I'm not even shilling for Sanwa here. I do not use Sanwa parts.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=madkatz+se+stick+stopped+working&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest&gws_rd=ssl

>>386875989
Madcatz SE's were bought en masse in '09 by dumb niggers. It's probably the highest selling joystick of all time. That's why you heard about them failing more than anything else.

The hitbox sticks are shit. They're completely counter-intuitive and the only one who was ever able to do anything on the after 9 years was the devs against a target dummy in training mode. There is a reason no one uses them.

>>386873424
>muh community
sush autismo

>>386876939
So I take it you don't keep up with the community at all and have missed all the people who have started switching.

>>386872380
>>386872918
Isn't that game for trannies?

If you order one be prepared to wait at least a month and then some, I ordered mine late June and got it last Friday.

Coming from someone who isn't good at fighting games and trying to learn it really helps with general movement in most games and executing simple motions, charge characters seem to really benefit from it but its awkward to get used to.

Korean back-dashing in Tekken is especially easier although I still can't execute a bunch in a row at a fast speed.

Guilty gear combo's are still hard as shit (air dash in, and jump cancelling combo's). But air dashing in general and super jumping is so much better.

For me it was always about what was fun to play on, arcade sticks are appealing because of the big buttons and my opinion although pad is comfortable to hold, are not fun for fighting games.

Stuff like super hopping in kof and just diagonals in general just don't feel good to do on a pad, I also found myself fighting friction alot on the ps4's dpad and screwed up my execution and I don't like using the triggers.

Hitbox is kind of a shortcut as far as simple executions and benefit the most from high mobility games like mahvel and probably more importantly DBZF.

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