https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFK nv1YzI3k Video about ta

>Reading youtube comments
>Ever

>Implying corporations haven't been steadily paying less taxes than individuals with each passing decade
This phenomenon is hardly a secret.

Bump because this is an actually interesting issue.

Corporate income tax should be zero.

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>>386812963
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>386813757
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVCbRl_Y7M8

>>386813757
Thank you anon

>>386813739
Even now with all the tax evasion, its 15% of the budget of the USA.
Removing it would gut social services.

And of course in any functional country, its both more, and the services are more useful.

So, has anyone brought up how he all but said pressing X is suddenly a whole new experience with a visor strapped to your head?

>>386814105
It legitimately is.
Pressing X to flush the toilet isn't the same as pressing X to nuke California.
Only brainlets who reduce everything to absurdity to claim that RTS is just select+attack move or shooters are just move mouse and left click can't understand this.

>>386813757
>corporations pay 0%
>I pay at least 20%
there

>trump hasn't fixed these tax loopholes

It keeps fucking happening

>>386815368
>the corporate shill didn't punish corporations

Whoa.

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>>386815368
Only Congress can fix the tax loopholes.
And It'll be a hell of a lot harder to get reelected without corporations bankrolling your campaign, not to mention all the fucking lobbyists breathing down your neck.
Fun Fact: The reason taxes are so fucking complicated for the average person is because Intuit lobbies against changing them, so they can sell their tax filing services.

>>386812182
>nothing illegal
>but muh morals
>paying money to an institution that spies on the whole world and routinely murders people, destabilizes countries or even entire regions and crashes economies is moral
Good for Acti-Blizzard

>>386813739
Fucl you nigga. Pay your share.

>>386816083
>t. Butthurt commie faggot

>>386816250
Whats in it for me?

This is not video games, it's /biz/ and /pol/. Corporate tax evasion does not only apply to video game companies - every industry does it and this has been going on for quite some time.
You also can not comprehend how it affects any video game as product so the entire discussion on here is pointless.

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Number one: In 1945 corporations paid 50 percent of federal taxes. Now they pay about 5 percent.

>>386817462
my first thought

>>386816448
A functioning city.

>>386812182

Using tax havens is not illegal, get over it fagget.

Even mcdonalds does this

>>386820470
>its ok to do it if everyone else does
And the question isn't whether it is or isn't illegal, it's should it be illegal.

>>386820470
It's only legal because companies lobby to make it legal.

>>386820790
How the fuck are they going to be made illegal? thats just never gonna happen.
Corporations are legally required to do this, if there is a way to save on tax and the board doesn't use it, the shareholders can fucking sue them and force the use of tax shelters

>>386812182
>clapstain government "crackdown" on tax evasion (which is an improbability in itself because everyone in the american government is funded by corporate entities)
>"ok, I will take my shit elsewhere where tax law are more lax"
>everyone worth a shit packs up and leave for other countries

literally >>386812963, read the news sometime families

>>386821498
of course, but can't they just pass one thing that is not 100% corporate friendly?
Fuck man the only reason we even have laws is to prevent one company from fucking over another too badly.

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>>386813739
>what the actual fuck am i reading

>>386812182
This is why I want Trump and his corporate shills to die. All this talk about jobs being stolen when it should be about investing into our own country and not giving them away.

>>386821498
How do you "move" a fucking gamedev studio? This isn't a car factory, where all you need is a bunch of poor guys doing simple shit.

Sure, you can find juniors everywhere, maybe you can even replace some of the regular staff. But you'd have to move all of the management and all of the seniors.

Corporate tax is such a scam
>hey all of you already get charged tax
>you also get charged tax for owning this property
>so here's more charge for GIVING PEOPLE JOBS
What a joke.

>>386815809
>>386816735
Trump can't do shit without Congress, at least until he pulls a yeltsin and has the military shell Congress.

>>386821754
>How do you "move" a fucking gamedev studio?

it's actually much easier than moving what you just said, a car factory because with industries like that they don't actually require moving any equipment and they have no need to have a specific location to function.

As for the talents behind, they either will have to make the important people move with the company or just hire on the spot, but normally what I would think would happen is to just open a new corporate entity ("A") and I will outsource all my products to A, if my old staff doesn't want to move, put them all in that new company so they can still work locally.

After that it's just a matter of accounting issues, I can pay dirt cheap for the products I outsourced to A so the tax I pay for A will be minimal while the company I moved to the foreign country will still gain 100%.

tl;dr abuse the corporate entity

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>>386821085
>>386820790
You realize there are less 'loopholes' than ever before, right?
The effective tax rate in the US has not changed for the last century.
The idea that the rich no longer 'pay their fair share' or the idea that they once paid way more is a myth propagated by marxists who don't want them to pay 'what they used to', they want them to pay more than they ever have before.

People think "wow well you can totally just raise the rate to 70% and nothing bad would happen lol" when in reality everyone taxed at that rate would likely move all of their businesses to Switzerland

>>386821843
The problem with corporate tax isn't that it exists. It's that it's so crippling to start ups while having virtually no effect on larger companies. This is why we have shit like break out successes always selling out to google or whatever. It's so much easier to hand everything off to google and net a cool $10m than it is to run everything yourself and get gutted by unfair taxes that you can't loophole through on your own.

If we had a simplified tax system without all the crazy fucking lobbying bureaucracy nonsense we could actually go back to being a fairly successful capitalist society instead of the twisted corporatism we're dealing with now.

>>386816083
That shit you are describing is more commonly attributed to interest, not tax. It also has fuck all to do with individual countries.

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>>386822253
No, the problem with corporate tax is that it exists.
You could cut corporate tax, then cut out all the government handouts to corporations on both sides of the aisle. In the end you'd see a flourishing economy, especially for small businesses, with one less stupid useless nonsensical tax.

But the dems and republicans don't want that, because there goes all their campaign money.
It's unfortunate that there are few actual capitalists left on capitol hill.

tax haters were in the wrong 2500 years ago and they're in the wrong now

>well you see they're not breaking any laws but...
No point watching, that's all there is to it.
While I don't evade taxes, I avoid all that I can. I report all my miles driven on the clock, I report all my expenses at work, and I report all the little shit I do that could be considered a necessity.
That's perfectly legal and it saves me thousands every year. Tax avoidance is important and everyone should do it.

>US company doesn't pay much tax in EU
really makes you think

>>386812182
Jesus Christ, I always knew Activision was slimy, but I never knew they were THIS slimy

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>More than 50% of their revenue is from microtransactions

Jesus fucking christ I fucking hate the people eating this shit up, getting fucked in the ass and basically asking for more, they're the reason the industry is getting shittier and shittier every year because they sure as fuck wouldn't do it if it wasn't profitable / people didn't accept it

>It's okay that people rich beyond my wildest dreams don't pay taxes because one day I'll also be that rich
Steinbeck was fucking right.

>>386812182
>watching a literal commie talking about taxes
lol

>>386822945
That shouldn't be surprising. Fun fact. Sony and Microsoft make more money from PS+ and Xbox Live respectively, than they do from all their game and hardware sales combined.

People who believe the U.S. should abolish taxes are economically illiterate and fucking retarded. Taxes pay for so many government subsidies, goverment corporation, entitlement programs, etc, that reducing taxe rates or abolishing them altogether would fucking wreck our budget and shoot our deficits to all time highs.

>>386817462
Number two: that's terror.

I mean, no matter how much you hate a company, you shouldn't ever justify taking money from them. They earned it fair and square.

>>386816448
Roads, fire department and police. Pay the fuck up.

>>386812182

America has one of the highest corporate taxes in teh world. I don't blame them.

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>>386823027
Sony, MS, and now Nintendo, have made video game consoling into a service. We're in the dark ages now. The funny part about this all is that game devs have been looking for many ways in the past to make the video game business a more reliable income. And I guess they finally found the golden egg: just stop catering to gamers.

>>386823313
>They earned it
>fucking other people out of wages is "earning it"
Haha, holy shit.

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>>386817462

People just glaze over when you tell them this too.

>>386823416
No one is responsible for spending their money but the consumers. If a consumer gives a company their money, that was their choice. It sucks, but that's their choice to do what they want with their money. Activision hasn't done anything wrong. If you want them to stop getting money, go to the people actually giving them money.

>>386823416
>they earned it
Lets see where the money saved on taxes go....
>lower percentage for wages
>lower percentage for R&D
>lower percentage for support
>lower percentage for charity
>higher management salaries

Yeah, they earned it. Lawyers and managers saving millions on taxes, so they can divide it among each other as a bonus for saving it.

>>386823313
There is nothing wrong with paying your landlord for living on their land, right?
So why is it wrong to contribute towards the nation funds with a portion of your income?

>>386823517
Where else will they go? Into some neet's pockets cause he thinks he's entitled to someone else's hard earned cash?

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>>386817462
Actually they pay 12-15% of taxes.
Still less than they fucking should, considering they have 90%+ of the wealth.

>>386823583
Into wages for employees?
Into producing more and better products?
For charity?

Money saved with slimy tactics is only used to reward slimy tacticians.

>>386823497
What about monopolies like internet providers? Internet is almost entirely necessary to function day-to-day? How is monopolizing that okay and somehow the customers' fault?

>>386823563
Except companies have already paid toward a landlord and now you're asking them to pay to the government. They already pay more taxes than any individual. What more do you want. Leave them the fuck along. You're envious.

>>386823671
the business thrives under the rule of the home country
why wouldn't the business be obligated to pay the home country?

>>386823658
Employees already get paid. That's called exchange of goods and services that they signed up for when they took the job. More and better products is subjective. Charity is the greatest jew creation in the world. Giving money to people for absolutely no reason and you wonder why most of the corporations that create charities are non profit money laundering schemes.

It's their money. They can do what they want with it.

>>386823658
Companies will never fucking give to charity unless they need the PR boost. That's capitalism 101. So is paying your employees less if you're the only thing they can get. Capitalism encourages you to be completely ruthless as long as you can get away with it and people reward it and tell it to extend what ruthlessness is.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States

Man, you corporate cock suckers are the worst. People are being fucked, and you just keep repeating the same tired crap about some fucking overpaid faggot in a suit earning it.

>>386823667
If you don't like an internet provider, go to the library and use their free internet. You clearly don't seem to want to pay for it and you certainly don't like the current internet you have. The internet monopoly is a whole different subject that I'm not going to get into in this thread cause it doesn't have anything to do with this subject.

>>386823741
You thrive under the rule of the home country. Why should a business pay more than you as a person? What makes you special? A business is providing some level of income to the country. What productivity do you bring?

>>386823827
you're already on an off topic thread, you can just admit you won't argue it cause you can't back it up

>>386823827
>go to the library and use their internet

You advocate for corporate monopolies but then also tell poor people to rely on the government? Fuck off.

>>386823817
It's because everyone thinks one day they'll be on the top, and they want to have it as good as these people do now.

>>386823918
I'm telling you there's always options if you don't like the free market. The government provides schools and libraries that have free internet. Go use them there and stop complaining about something you have no right to.

>>386823906
>Why should a business pay more than you as a person?
because it is a different entity
a business can hold money, without paying a person
that money is rightfully taxable

next

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>up next
>PragerU

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>>386823974

>defending monopolies and implying nothing should be done to stop them

>Ultra liberal corporations don't pay taxes while advocating for more social benefits to supplement their low wage workers

Every. Time.

>>386823974
No, fuck you. If companies want to sell in the US then they should pay a price for it. If you want them to be tax free, then they have to fuck off. Telling poor people that they have to use a public service that is FUNDED BY TAX DOLLARS to seek the benevolence of corporate overlords that pay nothing is retarded. You shouldn't have a right to lie to people under the guise of capitalism either if you want to be that spartan about it.

Don't forget that none of that money goes back into their employees hands, it's all just pocketed by the executives who see their works as nothing but wage slaves.

>>386823997
I can do that, too.

A person can hold money without paying a person just like most of you on this site are doing. That money is rightfully taxable.

So again, what makes you more valuable to the country than a business that is producing goods and services? Sitting here on the internet certainly isn't making you more valuable, nor is writing blogs or playing video games all day.

>>386824090
>A person can hold money without paying a person just like most of you on this site are doing.
the person was taxed when they made the money
the business shall be text when it makes the money

next

>>386824036
Monopolies aren't kicking down my door and trying to harm me. So no, nothing should be done to them.

>>386812182
You can have us pay taxes, or a new raid tier :^)

>>386824131
text->taxed

posters not worth proofreading for

>>386824080
>If companies want to sell in the US then they should pay a price for it
If everyone thought like you, no one would sell anything in the US. Before you start talking shit like that, learn business 101 first.

>>386824087
>guy who wakes up early, manages hundreds of payrolls and inter-state and/or international business making the sacrifice to get where he is
>some guy on /v/ crying that he deserves that guy's hard earned money

kek

>>386821498
>everyone worth a shit packs up and leave for other countries
Yep, for Brazil, aka the best place for having IT business

>>386823906
>Why should a business pay more than you as a person?
Because the business earns more than I do as a person. I still pay my share. And they pay theirs.

>>386824204
You're fucking retarded. No one else has money. Where would they go? Socialist Europe? The poor 3rd world? America perpetuates itself and this huge boogeyman of "oh no the companies will leave" wouldn't happen if companies couldn't just outsource their production but still sell in the US.

>>386824131
Business are taxed when they make money. Most people who make money are never taxed cause they get it back on tax returns + welfare tips of $5000 due to babies and deductions. Companies wish they got tax returns back.

So again, with such a system weighed heavily in the individual favor vs. the company...why are you more valuable to the country?

>>386824287
>pay my share

You don't pay shit compared to a company.

>you earn more, so you should pay more

That socialist idea is what led to the destruction of businesses in the first place.

>>386823974
>monopolies
>free market
Pick one.

>>386824384
>led to the destruction of businesses

Which is why I guess Jeff Bezos is literally one of the richest people on the planet now. Yeah, all that business sure is failing.

>>386824332
>Most people who make money are never taxed cause they get it back on tax returns + welfare tips of $5000 due to babies and deductions
source

>>386824264
>The guy who wakes up early, takes the bus to his job at the macaroni factory, spends a seven hour shift packing boxes without healthcare, then takes the bus to his night job spending three hours mopping the floor of an office building.
> some guy on /v/ crying that this guy doesn't deserve any money.

You can work hard and still be poor, anon. Nice job begging the question.

>>386824417
Monopolies are a product of the free market. If competition doesn't come in to break it up, then that means that company currently holds the market. If a single business in a town held the monopoly of apples, by your logic, they shouldn't be allowed the money they have for having the apple monopoly. The government should come in and break it up.

>>386824384
>You don't pay shit compared to a company.
I also don't earn shit compared to a company. And even though they pay more, they still earn more anyway. They more than survive. And it hardly prevents them from growing or from staying the elite.

>>386824304
This exactly. US has best infrastructure for high tech businesses in the world, steady workforce flow etc. It's 100% idiocy not to monetize it.

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>rig the markets to fail with horrible loan practices
>markets tank
>the rich can now buy homes and land for pennies on the dollar
>the market starts moving again
>now everyone rents from the rich
>" they earned that money you socialist "

Man, you guys are sad.

>>386823318
i dont use any of those things

why should i pay

>>386824264
So you don't think employees shouldn't benefit from the products they create? It's okay to fuck over your employees because the only people that matter at a company is the CEO and his friends that he gave useless roles to, right?

>>386824439
Ohohoho amazon is in the same boat as activision as co. Internet companies are one of the biggest tax evaders in history.

>>386824520

The whole point of this is that you can't have healthy competition when one entity has so much power and influence. You will be bought out, intimidated or just waited out of the market while the rich guy takes a temporary loss to sell so low you have no choice but to go out of business, you daft son of a bitch.

HOLLY SHIT why /v/ is full of retarded socialist fucks???
I thought you were right wing faggots (not that I'm one) McFucking kill youselves.

>>386824332
>Why are you more valuable to the country

Because a country is supposed to value the health and wellbeing of its citizens? Because comparing individuals to companies purely via monetary value is retarded?

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Just freemarket my ass harder famalam

>>386824264
>guy inherits his dad's international business and makes a million a year without ever having to actually work for it or take any risks
>some guy on /v/ crying that he actually has to pay his fair share in taxes

>>386824652
>I thought you were right wing faggots
why, the right wing was the first to try to ban videogames

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>>386824549
>print money to boost the economy
>give it to the banks to spend
>they spend it on pre-inflation levels
>the rest of the people feel the inflation hit
>"shut up commie get a job"

>Video game corporations do something every corporation do
>this is news

>>386824575
They're still ludicrously rich. It doesn't fucking matter who it is, they all work through the same cycle of becoming rich, evading taxes, and then pretending they'll just move or things will collapse when they leave because they lobby congress and everyone is too scared to tell them to fuck off or shut up. Capitalism falls under the same idea as communism in that it operates really well as long as people don't try to game the system, which of course they fucking well, which is why you need stopgaps.

ITS OK WHEN BLIZZARD DOES IT

MAKE ONE WONDER HOW A GAME COSTS 80MILLION DOLLARS AND PLAYS LIKE SHIT

>>386824287
Here's a novel idea, demand businesses pay higher taxes, and then give them tax breaks if they do certain kinds of charitable work, like hiring retarded people, disabled people, setting up intern programs for highschool/college students, offer quality child-care for their employees, good healthcare, and support the local communities that they reside in.

Ultimately a business that does all of those things will save the government more money in covering those costs (or the consequences of those social programs not being present) more than the business would have ever paid in taxes.

The business saves money because lower taxes, the government spends less because it no longer has to pay for social programs and their associated costs, and retards/women get jobs and healthcare (government doesn't have to pay hospitals the debt on now), taxpayers save money because it isn't being wasted on shit that is now being covered by businesses, everyone wins

>>386824709
>"aw man my dog shit in my shoes"
>so fucking what, so many dogs do that, grow the fuck up, this shouldn't influence your day at all

>EBIL CORPORASHUNS USING TAX HEAVENS
>MAKE CORPORASHIUNS ILLYGAL

how about simply becoming a tax heaven with a flat 1% tax rate, so that everybody would like to pay taxes in your country, even from across the globe?

fucking commie retards

>>386824505
Then he's a dumbass worker, tripfag.

>>386824764
wow that would be great

if there were that many positions for a business, which there aren't

>>386824764
This is already true in Europe, high corporate taxes with reductions for training interns or doing solar, etc/

>>386824679
Don't forget goy, you must pay to earn money, and to spend it
Of course, there's these extra taxes you need to pay too, the video game tax, and the rates m tax, that'll be another 45% on your sale
How's this legal, well you voted for these laws, right? They weren't just arbitrarily dictated to you by people with their own interests in mine :)

>>386824090
>So again, what makes you more valuable to the country than a business that is producing goods and services?
Businesses alone don't produce shit. It's their employees that produce.

>>386824535
> And even though they pay more, they still earn more anyway
>oh no, a business is smarter with money than me!

who would have known

>>386824821
>thinks the world is a perfect meritocracy
>when the overwhelming majority of wealthy people inherited their money
How can you be so deluded?

>>386824772
The difference is you can do something about the dog

>>386824925
You inherited yours as well, faggot.

>>386824879
>oh no, a business is smarter with money than me!
>a multimillion dollar corporation with lobbyists and lawyers is smart and not just gaming the system

Jesus fuck, McCarthy got you guys good.

>>386824567
Employees have no right to anything more than what the paper they signed their employement agreement on. You're thinking that this is some shared ownership when you employee yourself to a company. You're a hired person who was brought on to do a job that someone is paying you to do. That doesn't make you equal to said people and the money that is earned certainly doesn't make you liable to it. Do you own the business? Did you put in the time and work to make it? Were you there while this business was being signed at the business office? Did you help come up with the idea of the business?

No. An employee is dispensible.

>>386824849
Then tax the shit out of them until they step up their game

>>386824852
And tax breaks for hiring LGBTQRM right? :^)

>>386824935
You can do something about corporations too. Its called ENFORCING THE LAW.

>>386824764
Kill yourself, commie.

>>386824962
I guess that banker is about 2600000 times better at inheriting than I am. His skill at inheriting sure is paying off. Its hard work, inheriting, and I am glad his great inheriting ability is rewarded. I wish I worked harder in school, so that I could've become as good at inheriting as he.

>>386824648
You can't vie for competition on merit alone. A market works on supply and demand. If a company gives a supply to meet the demand, and they do it successfully, they deserve whatever rewards they get from it. You're speaking from the idea of someone who believes everyone should have an equal shot at being a millionaire. Guess what, you can do the same thing, too! Nothing is stopping you unless you live in commie China or Russia.

>>386824974
Good goy, it doesn't matter that you've spent years dedicating your life to a company, take these pennies we give you. You aren't even a real person to us, now back to work!

>>386824974
The entire idea that an employee somehow has infinite opportunities and doesn't just normally take the first thing that keeps him from starving to death and dying is ridiculous. When you're working at a high school diploma level, you don't get to shop for jobs. You get to grab any opportunity you can and try to cling to fucking life. Companies know this and abuse it because the system rewards them for it and the employees are seen as bad if they think that's somehow fucking messed up.

>>386824679
>poor guy wins the lottery
>becomes broke in a month
>whines that its the man keeping him down

Btw the above case happens most of the time. Smart people will take any money they get and make more money from it.

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>>386824665

If planned economy doesn't work, why China completely BTFO everyone else economically and still has insane growth rates?

>>386821754
Ridiculously easy.

>Open company in new country
>Relocate staff and tell them they relocate or they're fired, or hire new staff there.

Simple.

>>386824719
>They're still ludicrously rich
There's nothing wrong with being rich.

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>>386813807

>>386822662
>US company makes millions of euros selling products in the EU and has offices there.

If I got to the US and I sell something, I have to pay tax there.

>>386824821
That's a namefag, not a tripfag.

You're describing the bootstrap fallacy, that anyone's situation can and should be solved solely by personal effort. Circumstance plays a big part of it.

>>386824858
The businesses give employees money that they produce. The employees don't produce the money. If the employee wants to have all the money, they can go start their own business.

>>386825043
Commie would be tax the shit out of them and central government runs all that shit. This is putting those programs out of the centralized government, and decreases the amount of unemployment and thus welfare. Communism would be to increase taxes to cover the unemployed guy.

If you motivated the businesses to hire the unemployed guy because they could make money out of it, you'd be getting a new taxpayer in the form of the unemployed guy becoming employed, and that same guy would gain work experience so that he could move onto higher paid jobs, which would increase his revenue and thus increase the taxes he paid in the future.

Meanwhile this is put in the hands of the actual business dependent on the local community, such as other local business, local charities, churches, and other community centers.

The unemployment goes down, tax revenue goes up, people get to work, everyone wins. How is this a bad plan? Giving the unemployed guy free money from taxpayers is what communism really looks like. This would actually shrink the size of government instead of increase it as well.

>>386825193
There is when you cheat the laws and deprive your fellow citizens just to keep accumulating wealth for...reasons?

>>386825174
Thats a lie, the USA is the largest economy in the world, always has been since WW2.

>>386825076

I'm more in line with Teddy Roosevelt. You shilling this hard for what is essentially anarcho-capitalism is disturbing.

>>386824925
Wealthy families are full of people who know how to manage and save money. Descendents of said families are told how to do the same. Because they had a good upbringing with valuing money, they happen to make more than others. Poor people are poor because they suck with money. Yourself included.

>>386825340
US is not growing anymore. And even with "growth" it has, it only benefits the super-rich percentile.

>>386815809
Congressmen and Senators should have a 3 term limit and should be evaluated every year by a state-run volunteer organization which would determine how much they actually worked, how many vacation days they took, and a full accounting of every single word they said or wrote while on the floor.

>>386825126
The difference is that the poor guy doesn't know how to invest because he's uneducated, compared to the guy who inherited his dad's business after being sent to an Ivy League school. Plus it's way easier to run a business that's already been established than to start one on your own, even if you do have a lot of money to start with.

>>386825142
Just a reminder that 150 years ago wage slavery was viewed as inhumane as chattel slavery and one of the largest topics brought up by Republicans at that time was how wage slavery would ruin the country. The only reason America doesn't have better workers rights is because corporations murdered union rep and workers rights advocates

I've got it.

We give corporations bigger tax breaks if they make good games.

>>386824963
Gaming the system is being smart with money. If you outright refuse to use the best optimal strategy cause of muh feelings, you deserve to remain poor.

>>386817462
>>386823586
But anons all that money they don't have to pay trickles down to the normal folks like you and me : ^ )

>>386825387
>who know how to manage and save money.
Yeah, like using tax heavens at every opportunity while people under certain income threshold simply don't have such option.

>>386825430
The internet exists and you can use it for free at a library. No excuse for ignorance in this day and age.

>>386825450

>you should fuck your fellow man when you could afford not to and still very comfortably

Are you a sociopath?

>>386825448
Who decided whats good?
Media outlets that are owned by the same companies?

>>386825103
You're a dumbass if you work more than a decade beneath someone without bargaining for higher power. And if they won't give, then go start your own business. If you worked at a company for a long time, then you likely know how things work, and you have a good inkling of how money flows. That's why a lot of people who worked at a company for a long time leave and start their own business cause they gained enough education on how to run the game.

>>386825450
If abuse is allowed then I see no reason why we shouldn't be allowed to rape given that we have more power and a gun because, logically, it just makes sense that you don't endanger your life.

>>386825479

>hey, can Ig et this high paying job? I googled the knowledge required
>hahahaHAAHHAHAHAHA no

The Matrix has ahold of you, Neo.

>>386825417
but independent organizations are partisan!! reality has a librul bias!!!!!

>>386825482
Anon, you're either a wealthy sociopath or an empathetic poorfag. Take your pick because you're gonna have to treat people like collateral if you want to make it big.

>>386825479
>The system is perfectly fair. You're just too lazy.

I seriously wonder what you consider the average poor person is like, as well as the likelyhood of their new business taking off versus failing and making their life worse.

>>386825108
Dumb people will remain dumb. Poor people will remain poor. If you give any handouts, it doesn't fix the problem. Ever. History has shown this over and over.

>>386825479
>Why do all these saps bother going to college and getting an education? I just Google what I want to learn!
>What do you mean I'm not qualified for the position?

>>386825570

History has also shown that when the rich keep getting richer at the expense of everyone else, they get the rope.

>>386812182
so that's why they want to hire Women, THAT MEANS THE WAGE GAP ISRAEL

>>386825517
Haha just start your own business bro :D then you can treat everyone working for you like shit too
Oh wait you don't have 2m dollars sitting around that your parents gave you? Too bad, maybe you can get a house by the time you're 40

>>386825271
>You're describing the bootstrap fallacy, that anyone's situation can and should be solved solely by personal effort.
It can. I can tell you right now how to make ten extra bucks. All it would require is for you to go buy some food at the grocery store, and sell it at a mark up price to people who are away from the convenience of a grocery store. Do you know what that is called? A convenience store.

>>386812182
wow! You sure enlightened me! Where did you get your degree in law? You know, from besides a wikipedia article

>>386825570
Wow! Amazing! Poor and dumb people don't deserve to not live in total misery! Fucking listen to yourself. Being poor or being dumb doesn't mean that you should spend every minute terrified of where you'll eat next or whatever. Capitalism doesn't make people better, it just makes them more ruthless and willing to fuck over other people. Real neat idea.

>>386825638
I can't fucking wait, I hope it's in my lifetime

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>>386825656

>I can open a convenience store with 10 dollars

>>386815368
congress still exists, so Trump can't really do anything

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>>386825417
you would then see a corrupt volunteer organization that would play softball for kickbacks those Senators would give.

The issue is us as humans not the systems themselves.

>>386825338
You can't cheat what is not illegal and no citizen is a fellow citizen. They don't help you manage your business. While you at the office, they're doing whatever the hell they want. So when a businessman walk out of the audience, you believe it's okay for some neet like yourself to run up and go "Give me $100 right now. I'm your fellow citizen and your money is entitled to me."

>>386825417
You do not want the states controlling that shit. See CA, WV, and OR as to why.

>>386825385
I'm not shilling for anything except for free will. Instead of being envious of other people with money, go out and make your own. Put down your anime dolls, stop playing video games, and go make your life.

>>386825443
>is because corporations murdered union rep and workers rights advocates
They switched from murder to arranging for a scandal to suddenly happen.
>be me
>work for a popular chain of restaurants in the Southeastern US
>notice that most of the servers and cooks at this chain are actually forced to work an unpaid extra hour at closing
>open an investigation with a local news team complete with interviews of workers, the managers ordering this unpaid extra hour, and some "higher ups" at the company
>suddenly the only manager who actually admitted that she was told by a regional manager that it was okay to threaten her employees with termination if they refused to stay for an extra hour was caught having an affair with a 16 year old boy
>the person who was publishing the interviews on his blog was caught with kiddy porn on his computer
>i was accused of stealing money from my restaurant but no evidence was ever provided that it actually happened
>all of this within one week

Shit was fucking nuts.

>>386825725
Who the fuck decides what is/is not illegal? Isn't that as arbitrary as what is/is not moral? Legality should not be the same as morality to you when you live in a world where lobbyists exist.

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>>386824264
>making the sacrifice to get where he is

>>386825430
If someone wants to learn how to become successful, they'll find a way. I came from the deepest parts of an urban shithole and I now have my own business. I knew that 1 + 1 = 2. This basic principle is how I ended up making money.

>>386825656
>Taking care of disabled parent.
>Landlord raised my rent again.
>Can't miss a car payment or I lose my only way to get to my job.
>Trying to maintain relationship with my only friend.
>Trying not to get sick because I cannot afford medicine.

>I'll just open a store so I can spend all my time doing that instead of the other things on the list.

I'm really curious what your life is like.

>>386821709
What the fuck does this even have to do with Trump?

>>386825656
>selling food without paying a license
asking for it

>>386825656
It would also require buying a vacant building at a strategic location, hiring employees, registering your business, etc. It's not as simplistic as you ancap retards make it out to be.

>>386825475
You don't need that option cause you get so many tax deductions that you'll never have to pay any amount of tax as a corporation does.

>>386824819
>so that everybody would like to pay taxes in your country,
that's not what tax havens are for

>>386825783

I am not envious of people with money. I am concerned that runaway weath disparity is going to lead directly to the downfall of my country.

Meanwhile, you're telling me Comcast should be allowed to lobby politicians, collude with municipalities to block competition from using taxpayer funded infrastructure, and no one should do anything about it because those fat fucks in the boardroom " earned " it.

Nah.

>>386825656
>All it would require is for you to go buy some food at the grocery store, and sell it at a mark up price
This is illegal in most states. You would have to sign a distribution deal with every brand you're selling, or a really strict contract with the people who are supplying you with branded items.

>>386825482
How am I fucking anyone if I'm staying up all night planning out how to do a business, stressed out as fuck with a cup of coffee as I wonder if it will all even work? What in this does fucking anyone happen? Is he fucking the person sleeping in his bed right now during the same hours cause they're sleeping while he's sacrificing sleep to get where he wants?

>>386825863
Tell us your biography, Anon.

>>386825656

Anon life isn't an mmo auction house.

>>386825869
Just because his parents gave him a million dollar check for his graduation from Yale, doesn't mean he hasn't struggled even more than you
You know he was dating both Stacy and Alice at the same time? Good thing his dad paid for the the dorm renovation, he wasn't able to make class once!

>>386825519
The difference between your idea of tax abuse and rape is that the former is an actual law being taken advantage of and the latter is a criminal offense.

>>386825993
what kind of fantasy is this

>>386825554
>what you consider the average poor person is like,

they don't. /v/'s logical endpoint is that poor people are inherently more flawed, and should be killed and burned for fuel. The system is a perfect meritocracy and shall not be questioned.

>>386825520
>hey, I googled the skills necessary for a job, went to acquire said skills while working a part time job and getting an intern with said job, and developing the skills to create a resume
>sure, come onboard

>>386825863
>I came from the deepest parts of an urban shithole and I now have my own business.
Shitposting on 4chan is not a business.

>>386826041
The difference is rape only fucks one poor person while taxes fuck all of us normal people

>>386826041
Again, who the fuck decides what is and is not law in a country where lobbyists exist? It's easy to say that, yeah, rape should be illegal (which of course yeah), but the line starts to degrade when you get to corporate issues and it's an extremely fucked system.

>>386825554
If a poor person doesn't want to become rich, then why should I care about making them rich? Why would I force anyone into a lifestyle? It's like trying to force people into different jobs. Most people don't like doing certain things. And that's fine. That's their choice.

>>386826096
Where do you live that you can afford an education working part time and paying rent, buying food, taking care of your family, and saving up enough money to purchase a home in the future?

Seriously, I want to know so I can move there.

>>386825638
Except this never happened. If you're thinking of king hangings, stop watching Game of Thrones for your historical references.

>>386826096
>hey, I googled the skills necessary for a job, went to acquire said skills while working a part time job and getting an intern with said job, and developing the skills to create a resume
>sure, come onboard
>hey, I also did all those things the first guy did.
>we're not hiring anyone else because our business has only so much demand and the management would rather keep the extra salary.

HMMMMM.

>>386825649
You don't need 2m dollars to start a business. Money scales based on what you want to do. Bill Gates went from working from his garage to one of the world's richest people. He's not an exception, either. It's called being hungry. You're not hungry.

>>386826096
Most internships are only offered to college students.

Minor question, but who are my Chapo lads in the thread?

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>>386826157
>>386825450
>>386825540

>>386825686
Who are you to say whether a poor person is living in misery or not. And if you're so concerned about said people, why don't you go to the hood right now and give them your entire paycheck every month.

>>386812327
>reading /v/ comments
>ever

oh wait

>>386826217

Do you know what the French Revolution is you illiterate retard?

>>386826217
>What is the Russian Revolution?

>>386826260
How much do you think it would cost to start the cheapest possible legal business you can think of?
It has to be in-demand and likely to succeed.

Go ahead and just type what kind of business it is and the dollar amount you think it would require.

>>386825698
You can open a food stand with nothing.

>>386826260
His dad was a lawyer you tool, he came from money

>>386824143
I mean not literally, but monopolies in information are fucking over your politics while monopolies in medicine or gas based business fuck over your health, it'd be quite simple to argue that monopolies are literally harming your health and hindering your freedom via lobbying alone, no door kicking needed.

>>386826310
That's how it is, anon. It's fucking stupid, but that's how it is.
There's a reason why I'm relatively content with being a poorfag

>>386826260
>Bill Gates is not an exception
Get a load of this faggot.

>>386826351
It is illegal to sell food without a license to do so in all 50 states.

>>386826316
Oh dude, literally just ask any poor person if they're happy. Holy shit, I imagine you can google fucking any goddamn survey about if poor people are happy.

And yeah, if I'm living in capitalism then I should obviously just shirk that and be the one man communism/socialism thing that the US needs? If the US changed to socialism tomorrow I'd gladly give up more of my paycheck.

Since you guys like anime, I'll give you one of the most kino moments about being a non productive member of society vs. someone who is actually producing something:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGL1x40p46s

>>386825450
By that same logic, the public demanding higher taxes is being smart with money and you shouldn't oppose it you fucking retarded

V I D E O G A M E S

>>386825797
Answer the statement of whether you think it's okay to run up to someone and steal their money from them.

>>386826401
anime "lesson"

>>386825993
Do you seriously honestly believe that the life of a business owner is harder and more stressful than your average day laborer?

I make a six digit income in a cushy IT job while others break their backs laying brick for bare minimum wage. The economy isn't a meritocracy

>>386826260
He went from working in the garage with the million dollars his parents handed him

>>386826361
>that's how it is.
Only according to edgelord 4channers

>>386826448
If they're rich, sure, why not. They will literally never miss it. Stop moving goalposts you fucking retard.

>>386826260
There's such a thing as economic climate.

You become rich if you provide a service for which there is significant demand. That also requires you to not get acquired or muscled out by your competitors.

These days, established corporations are so wealthy and influential that they effectively act as gatekeepers to any new endeavors or technologies, gaining control via investment and takeovers, replicating the newcomer with more resources, or undercutting/regulating them into oblivion.

You keep confusing individual efforts/results with demographic efforts/results. "I started my own business so the economy is fine" does not explain away statistics.

>>386825869
Your emotional story doesn't cause sympathy in me. Why? Because those are all excuses. The very fact that you have all those hardships should be the greatest motivator to getting into a better position to do all that easier. Cause most people in that situation go

>my life sucks. I'll never be x and y. I'm just going to waste money away on trivial things to keep me sane and on alcohol and smokes

Contrary to belief, most people are in those high stress situations by their own free will.

>>386813739
Unironically this. All employees of a corporation are already subjected to income tax, there is no reason to tax the company again on top of this besides government greed justified by the banner of equality

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>>386825872
Then get a license. Meanwhile, mexicans do it all the time.

>>386825921
>oh no, that takes too much work!

That's why businesses make more than you.

>>386826517
Nah, look how big corporations work: Make as much profit as possible while putting out the least amount of effort forth, fuck over the little guy.

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>>386826217

>conveniently never replies to the people blowing him out

had a laugh

>>386826537
How would you suggest that anon better his position. Give specific advice on exactly what he should do.

taxation is theft
corporations are scum
capitalism is cancer
communism is aids
the neoliberal order is a sham
the industrial revolution was a mistake
the french revolution was a catastrophe

>>386825971
Neither of that stuff has anything to do with you. What you're advocating for are words spoken by people who want to be in that position, so they cry about competition and lobbying cause they don't want to put in the work to compete in that arena.

>>386826316
>Here's an issue that's affecting millions of people.
>Why don't you personally sacrifice your entire life it right now if you care so much?

Are you kidding me?

>>386826585
>Then get a license
This costs thousands of dollars and takes multiple years, and every single chain of restaurants and grocery store with a deli is going to start dumping their entire legal fund into attempting to put you out of business.

I would know. It happened to me.

>>386825991
Convenience stores.

>>386825570
>If you give any handouts, it doesn't fix the problem. Ever. History has shown this over and over.

History has also shown that forcing everyone to race to the bottom in a fuck everyone so long as i got mine type fashion creates more problems than it solves. Society has improved by giving people access to basic social services.

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>>386826542

>guy controls corporation
>pays himself a dollar a year
>since he controls the corporation, he gladly spends corporate funds on a lavish lifestyle, doing whatever he wants
>but in the eyes of the law he makes 1 dollar a year

lol why the fuck you think people want stocks and not salaries? Corporate gains taxes are lower than income taxes, and the rich are in prime position to give themselves this cut and do it all the time!

>>386826612
The only solution is to purge it all in nuclear hellfire. And seeing as China recently stated that they'll go to war with the US if they attack NK first, we might have happen.

>>386826448
You're begging the question by saying that taxation and direct individual theft is comparable and equivalent, you hyperbolic idiot.

>>386826135
>not doing well enough with your business that you can't spend free time doing what you want

Why are Americans so stupid?

>>386826260
>Bill Gates went from working from his garage to one of the world's richest people. He's not an exception, either.

He is statistically, empirically the exception.

>>386826261
and they dont offer you a job at the end regardless of performance because they'd rather have a guy with 4+ years experience do your job anyways.

Feels fucking good man. College is a meme. DO NOT WASTE YOUR PRECIOUS TIME.

>>386826141
where do you live? If you're euroland, leave euroland. If you're in american, go read up on tax deductions. You shouldnt be paying much of anything.

>>386826678
Convenience stores buy their supply from distributors and have extremely strict contracts on what they're allowed to sell, how it must be displayed in the store, and how much they have to pay to said distributors.

They even have fucking quotas that if they don't meet that amount of sales on any given product the distributor can literally sue them for ownership of the store over breach of contract. Do you actually know anything about how any of this works?

>>386826585
No, it takes too much fucking money, you retard. Money that most people don't have.

>>386826591
>life is winner take all fuck over everyone else as much as possible because thats how corporations work
again, edgelord 4chan ideology.

>>386826209
>Where do you live that you can afford an education working part time and paying rent, buying food, taking care of your family, and saving up enough money to purchase a home in the future?
America.

>>386826810
Now you're just being a naive child.

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>>386826261
Then take up an apprenticeship. Better yet, go after someone you really want to work under and say you'll do it for free. If they don't work, find someone beneath said person and work your way up.

I'm literally giving you guys free business advice. This is as generous as someone in business will ever get.

>>386826791
25% income tax, 10% state tax, 10% sales tax
Half of every dollar you make goes to the government for absolutely nothing other than wars they start to steal more money

>ITT: Claim demographic, legal, and economic issues are really personal problems and can easily be solved by personal efforts.

>>386826895
>just go work for free and you'll be successful

I'm glad that living doesn't cost anything.

>>386826342
Far too vague of a question. Any business can be cheap depending on what level of scale you operate at. You can sell fucking oil at just the $10 mark. There's a market for rural drivers who will be low on oil but away from big cities.

>>386826895
>go after someone you really want to work under and say you'll do it for free
>being a wagecuck without the wage

>>386826803
Most ancaps are poor uneducated hillbillies in denial. Of course they don't know how running a business actually works.

>ITT: Objectivists and Ancaps

>>386826953
Just get your parents to buy you a house and pay for your food and utilities while you work for free, it's easy :)

>>386826316
>Who are you to say whether a poor person is living in misery or not.

https://newrepublic.com/article/120859/money-doesnt-buy-happiness-poverty-increases-sadness-study

>why don't you go to the hood right now and give them your entire paycheck every month.

Probably because that isn't going to solve systemic inequality.

>>386826357
Money that he used correctly. He wasn't rich.

>>386826359
That's far too general of a statement. You would have to be specific in what cases they are being fucked over, and then I will stand behind you if someone is being cheated out what they paid for.

>>386826895
How do I shrug off my other obligations and do that, Anon. How do I work for someone for free without literally starving? How do I afford a place to live while doing that?

>>386826887
You have the ideology of a naive child.

>>386826810
Not him, but he's describing something, not promoting it. Whether you like it or not, corporate and political elites are indeed ruthless as fuck.

>>386822194
The rich don't pay income tax ya rube.

>>386826395
>If the US changed to socialism tomorrow I'd gladly give up more of my paycheck.
Wait, so you rather the government do it than yourself? If you're all for poor people getting more money, what is keeping you from giving your paycheck right now?

>>386826895
>he does it for free

Why the fuck do you stupid dick slurping nigger faggots link to twitter/facebook/youtube so much, but it's reddit that gets your riled up? It's all the same shit you cunts! You whine so much about jews, about the normalfags but you fucking will not stop using their sites, but then fucking post it here. Yet only one site, reddit, is what gets you all worked up like some little bitch that didn't get the doll she wanted for Christmas.

Fucking bunch of hypocritical harpies.

>>386826432
The only public demanding higher taxes are poor people like yourself who just want to steal money from those actually working.

>>386827043
>Money that he used correctly. He wasn't rich.
But his dad was. He used his dad's money "correctly", meaning his example is of someone making money by having money, not being "hungry" and going from nothing to making billions.

>>386824036
You know monopolies can be combated by a free market. That isn't what the US has though.

>>386827095
Because having one person giving up a paycheck just means two poor people without actually solving what's making/keeping them poor.

>>386827095
Because the government converting to socialism means that poor people all over the US are getting help, not just the ones around me, which I would say is the bigger difference. Plus, like them, I would also benefit from the programs, as would literally everyone else.

>>386827043
How parents were absolutely rich
I don't think my parents ever had more than 10k in their bank accounts, tell me exactly how hard it is when you're given everything

>>386826456
>I make a six digit income in a cushy IT job

That's because you were smarter than the people working at minimum wage. You had a higher marketable skill and you are getting paid for that skill. If you want people making more money, tell them to drop working at Kroger and to learn some IT skills.

>>386826520
>I'm a thief

Criminals deserve nothing.

>>386827095
I'd totally give up a paycheck if I made enough that one paycheck would get 100 families out of poverty.

>>386827067
I never said he was promoting it? He is describing his personal view of the world based on big corporations. Some corporate and political elites are indeed ruthless as fuck, but basing your entire life's ideology on a false binary between sociopathic rich and empathetic poors is edgy as fuck.

>>386827218
You do realize that his big STEM push isn't to make people more rich but to lower the cost of coding jobs, right? Like it's not like 60k a year coding jobs just exist forever, they're only that high because of demand. If we teach everyone to code then we can just make it cheap as shit. Nothing capitalism actually does is for the betterment of society.

>>386826530
Have you tried starting a business to be able to make such a claim? In which markets is what you claim happening in right now that is keeping the average man from pursuing it? What market is in such high demand to make a business in that your post is referring to?

>>386827218
>tell them to drop working at Kroger and to learn some IT skills.
there aren't thay many IT positions, not everyone gets to be IT

>>386827124
>but it's reddit that gets your riled up?
Most of them are redditors themselves.

Reddit and /v/'s userbase have a huge overlap. /v/ is one of the most normalfag boards on this site.

>>386827269
>I literally have no fucking idea how jokes work even though the last sentence gives it away

What is wrong with you.

>>386826832
>Part time job
>wage is capped at $12 an hour
>Part time means less than 40 hours per week, so at most you're pulling $25,000 a year
Now let's say you're going to community college and getting half the cost taken care of by a grant.
>$600 per semester; $1200 per year
Your rent is cheap because you live in what is basically a slum, but it's still a 3 bedroom apartment because you have your parents and a brother living with you.
>$750 per month; $9000 per year
Food for 4 people
>$150 per month if you're cooking meals every day, $250 per month if you're buying frozen meals or eating out ever; Let's call it $2400
Health insurance is a requirement to live with any security
>$400 per month; $4800 per year
Car payment or maintenance costs + gas
>$300 per month; $3600 per year
Cell phone which your workplace requires you to have because if you work part time that means you are on-call
>$50 per month; $600 per year
Utilities cost (cleaning your clothes, taking showers, electricity bill, internet) and no, most places do not roll these costs into the rent
>$300 per month; $3600 per year

Let's stop there and tally those totals up
$25,200

Oh shit we're already over the maximum possible amount you could be making working one part time job.
Let's apply for another one!
"Sorry we're not hiring anyone who is already employed because our part time workers are on-call for all shifts."
Maybe our current employer will let us go full time!
"Sorry, a full time employee is legally entitled to benefits which would quadruple the cost of keeping you employed."
I guess we can get rid of the car and walk/bike to work instead...
"Hey buddy you missed 3 days when the hurricane flooded half the city so we're gonna have to let you go."

>>386826606
I can't because those are all general greentext points. If he was really in that position, he would give detail on what his income is, where he lives, what condition of his home and mother that he's in. The variables decide how one approaches it. A general answer will never work.

>>386826640
If you can't put your money where your mouth is, you're just a sideline cow who is virtual signaling for nothing but blowing hot air.

>>386826537
If better jobs can be had through more effort, then what you're essentially asking is to spend more effort than you already have towards a better job that requires more effort to get so that the rest of your life doesn't need as much effort while spending more effort?

This is "why don't poor people just buy more money?" levels of retarded.

>>386826209
>afford an education working part time and paying rent, buying food
Take out loans. It's an investment on your end - so don't be a moron and major in something that won't gain you a return on your investment.

>taking care of your family
Shouldn't have decided to have anchors in your life while making not a lot of money.

>saving up enough money to purchase a home in the future
Once you are making more than what you would with a low-skill job.

>>386827489
Neat. Why aren't you impregnating a white woman and starting a small business right now?

>>386825471
The only thing that trickles down is piss, and they won't even say its rain anymore.

>>386827489
I do put my money where my mouth is. My time as well. I donate over half of what I make every year to a number of homeless shelters and jobs programs; and I spend a lot of my free time teaching welding and machining classes for free.

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>>386827218
>he honestly thinks the economy and the job market is a meritocracy
>he honestly thinks everyone working menial labor jobs that are increasingly being overtaken by automation can all transition to specialized jobs that require higher education

This country is a hellscape where college is considered standard but also isn't free so requirements are unrealistic

>>386826669
Tough luck. Find an easier market to penetrate. Or trick the market like uber did.

>>386827095
>what is economy of scale

When the minister of health goes to a pharmacy producer and says "I have 300 million clients for you, but only if you lower the price real nice", he can get a better deal than you can trying to bargain at the drug store.

>>386827539
>Take out loans
You've never tried to take out a loan as a young adult have you? You have to have a cosigner no matter how good your credit is. Who the fuck is going to cosign for my loan?

>>386827095
>If you're all for poor people getting more money, what is keeping you from giving your paycheck right now?
Anon already answered this question: >>386827020

>>386826691
Most business don't want to fuck consumers they want for a very long time. Most businesses aren't get rich quick pyramid schemes.

>>386827539
>Take out loans
Lmao how out of touch are you
Yeah that 8% loan you take out is going to be 2x the original amount when you pay it off, and they're too poor to even qualify
Why not just charge everything to your credit card and use that, it's only at 26% interest

>>386827489
Moving the goalposts, anon. You're saying that the only way to show dedication is to donate your entire paycheck, which is an extreme.

>>386827595
>Tough luck.
Not an argument.
You lose.

>>386827595
Anon you brought up reselling food as the easiest possible way to start a business.
>Tough market to penetrate
are you now admitting that you were wrong? Do you have another easiest possible way to start a business?

>>386827639
I'm taking out loans right now. Maybe you shouldn't have burned bridges with your parents.

>>386826807
Then go make money. You work right?

>>386825054
Inheritance existing removes any possibility of meritocracy.
You can't claim people get what they deserve, when some people get what their dad deserved instead.

>>386827649
>Most business don't want to fuck consumers they want for a very long time

You should probably read this about how corporations are gladly letting you die before retirement.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-08/americans-are-dying-younger-saving-corporations-billions

>>386827712
>your parents
My disabled parents? The ones who legally cannot cosign for a loan because they do not have any assets or income?

>>386826953
That method is a high risk, but gives huge rewards. You use that technique when you want to get into a position that is very worth your while.

>>386827729
No anon you have the mindset of a child, corporations are our friend :)

>>386827651
If you really are that poor, you'd qualify for subsidized loans which you don't have to pay for interest while you're in school.

>>386827020
>Probably because that isn't going to solve systemic inequality.
>systemic inequality
Morgan Freeman is a rich black actor. Who system stopped that from happening?

>>386826612
>i wish i was private property of an inbred austrian and wasn't allowed to leave my village

>>386826832
Yeah 50 years ago.

https://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/07/28/u-s-homeownership-rate-hits-48-year-low/

>>386827712
Some peoples' parents are abusive, drug addicts, dead, or some combination of the three. Not everyone lived an easy sheltered life being raised by two married biological parents who love their kids very much.

>>386827749
Come back to me when you've actually put in a good attempt at filling out the FASFA.

>>386827793
You don't pay interest for them while in school, but it still accrues
That 8% 10 year loan is going to be 20% of your income for the next decade

>>386827759
Internships are like a massive thing people say you should take before trying for an actual job. They're not some niche idea. How the fuck are you comparing gambling to this shitty "do free work so it'll look good on a resume" that'll be passed over for a friend of the HR guy 90% of the time?

>>386827713
I don't make enough to start a business, jackass.

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>>386827060
Jim carrey drove hours everyday to a club to do stand up for little to no pay. He slept on the club couches during the day and would do stand ups at night until someone finally noticed him and gave him a big break.

>>386826391
Sucks to be living in a commie shithole.

>>386827759
>That method is a high risk, but gives huge rewards.
Just like winning the lotto.

>You use that technique when you want to get into a position that is very worth your while.
This is what business owners tell workers to exploit free labor. There are mountains and mountains of examples where people are asked to work for free for "exposure" and such.

>>386827156
Bill gates was not rich. His dad was wealthy, not rich. They were well off. He learned how to use money correctly. Otherwise, he would have been a broke ass like other poor people.

>>386827839
I actually have done the FASFA. Not that guy, but I even live in LA where we get TOPS for doing well in school. The hoops I had to jump through to explain that even though my dad was pretty well-off despite my mom literally relying on food stamps after they got divorced was crazy. FAFSA is good, but not nearly the end-all be-all.

>>386827851
>Direct Subsidized Loans are available to undergraduate students with financial need.
>The U.S. Department of Education pays the interest on a Direct Subsidized Loan
>while you’re in school at least half-time,
>for the first six months after you leave school (referred to as a grace period*), and
>during a period of deferment (a postponement of loan payments).

https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/types/loans/subsidized-unsubsidized

>>386827839
That's irrelevant to what we're discussing. You said take out a loan, and I am asking you how a theoretical version of me who had trouble paying for school is supposed to do that.
For the record, when I went to school I had a full ride scholarship; but it would have been literally impossible to afford it otherwise. I spent my entire junior and senior year trying to set up a way to pay for school and loans were not possible to acquire without a cosigner.

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>>386827402
Work harder, commie.

>Raise minimum wage in the country.
>People working minimum wage can pay off debts, which can't be adjusted after the fact.
>People now have more money to spend above their additional wages because they're not paying off debts.
>Companies raise prices to account for the minimum wage price increase.
>One company doesn't raise it as high.
>Company gets a ton more business because their consumer base has more income.
>Other companies have to lower prices to stay competitive.
>Profit margins are down, volume is way up.
>People are buying more things and improving their lifestyle.
>Business couldn't afford to operate without paying minimum wage before.
>Rightfully fails if they don't provide a service valuable enough to capture the new consumer spending habits.

>>386827209
So the solution is to teach them how to manage money, right? That way, no one has to give up their paycheck.

>>386827961
He gave his son
ONE MILLION DOLLARS
If you honestly fucking think that isn't rich, you're literally too rich to understand the plight of normal people

>>386827805
>this anecdotal rich black person proves there isn't systemic inequality between the rich and the poor

were you dropped on your head as a child?

>>386827914
10000 people did the same, and didn't get their break, and are now wage slaves, or homeless, or long since shot themselves.
Stop pointing out to the exception, the fact that he is a special case proves the rule goes the other way.

>>386827216
You're a freeloader. There's no reason to hand money over to someone who won't produce anything from it.

>>386825479
The irony of this post is astounding.

>>386827973
It's not irrelevant. Private loans should only be a last resort.

>>386827961
>Bill gates was not rich.

He went to the most expensive university, and was already a millionaire before he worked 1 day.

>>386827805
Why are you bringing race into this?
Also
>One success case means we can ignore literally millions of other people who did not succeed.

I think Anon is trolling us.

>>386812182
>Kotnic is never mentioned in this video
I'm shocked and surprised

>>386827914
Yeah, just like all the other individuals who pursue stand-up comedy who do the same thing and become just as successful. Oh wait.

>>386827280
>I'm not wealthy enough to give my paycheck, but companies make a lot of money! They should give it up instead!

Then give it to one family? You're a charitable human being who believes poor people should have more money right? Whats wrong with helping one family? You'll be doing more than a company. Will you stand up for what you believe in?

>>386827805
Shaquille O'Neal is 220 cm tall. What is stopping you from being 220 cm tall? Checkmate, manlets.

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>>386827961
>He learned how to use money correctly
>His dad was wealthy, not rich.

Your entire argument was based on the claim people could easily start their own business and make money without being wealthy in the first place.

>>386812182
"Trickle down economics" were always a joke. Along with libertarian ideals in general. Corporate-fellating scumfucks.

>>386828052
Nah, I think keeping people from not living in absolute hell is worth it. I live in the poor south. I should be a hard R, right? I see the plight of people just fucking struggling to live and hating being alive and it fucking sucks and I feel for them. I would gladly try to help them through political means as well as being a good neighbor.

>>386827971
Okay, that covers school, now you're going to community college, and working while not at college so you can afford your 400 a month room in a house. You graduate, now you're forced to take the first job offered because those loans are coming due, and there's no way you can afford both rent and the student loans. You're now working full time, and saving almost no money because your Jew boss needs his 18th car
When do you start your own business? A decade later when your student loans are paid?

>>386827321
So your argument is

>Im not going to help people learn skills that will inevitably push the cost of my job down

It's almost sounds like you're thinking only for yourself! That min wage worker seems more threatening now since it will affect your life for helping them.