>"should we put more people on the tf2 so the game wont

fuck valve and fuck gabe newell

>>386721729
WRITERS ARE GONE

Singleplayer is over.

Fuck, I'd even take Left 4 Dead 3.

>>386721935
The dev team that made Evolve would probably love to do it.

>>386721729
>REEEEEEEEEE WHY ISN'T ANYONE PAYING ATTENTION TO MY 10 YEAR OLD GAME

>open world shitshows with bland, uninspired, static and outright boring
>casual as fuck cookie-cutter class based shooters
>mobas, fucking mobas
>and CARD GAMES

How did gaming get this bad?

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>>386721729
Fuck man Tf2 is dying I wanna cry why do they have to be such jews /v/ why why why

>>386721984
Well Evolve devs can stay the fuck away from TF2, they're shit

>>386721729
It's not surprising everyone wants a piece of the online CCG pie now. As it turns out making a couple dozen cards every few months is way less effort than creating ASSFAGGOT heroes, maps, or actual new games. The only genre I can think of that requires even less effort are gacha mobage but those are more skinnerboxes than games. Fucking Team 5 was like a dozen people back when HS was greenlit and it's not like they needed to grow that much outside of hiring more people to localize (which they probably don't).

>>386722131
>tfw tf2 is what turned them into the jew

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Slowly, gently, this is how a game is killed.

>>386722305
I wonder if Valve would actually buy PUBG

>>386722305
What do people even do in GTA V?

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>>386721729
That IS really sad, isn't it? Too bad this company won't make single player FPS experiences anymore.

However, I think this is a great time to check out Skyrim and Fallout 4 if you haven't played them yet. Go get them on Steam now, champ!

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>>386721729
>mfw they integrate steam market into the card trading
>those two separate cuts for themselves
And you fools complained about hats. Are you ready for the ultimate jewstorm?

>>386722348
Multiplayer, considering thats the only thing that gets updated.

>>386722395
Fuck off Toddler. I pirated Skyrim and Fallout 4.

>>386722348
car racing mini games

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>>386722305
>almost everything on that list has a higher peak than TF2
This is really it, huh boys?

Why the fuck would they call it Undertale? Are they just trying to profiteer over Undertale which was popular like 3 fucking years ago at this point?

>>386722485
It's a shoop anon

>>386722485
Based retard

>>386722485
It's a photoshop, it's actually called Minecraft

>>386722450
I'd like to try PUBG but I'm waiting for EA to end.

>>386721729
>UNDERTALE: The Dota Card Game
What did he mean by this?

No, seriously, what is this meant to convey?

>>386721729
are they seriously going with Undertale?

>>386722580
They asked Toby for permission, he was cool with it

>>386722629
holy shit, retards

>>386722523
>>386722534
>>386722572

Well what gibbering fucking retard makes a thread with a photoshop of what they're actually talking about? Is this even a thing or are people sperging out over fucking nothing like they usually do?

The guy who designed everything in HL2 is working on Dishonored, all the writers quit, and Gabe loves money. Since Portal 2 microtransactions shat the bed since no one buys singleplayer cosmetics he'll never approve a single player game again.

>>386722578
Same, to be quite honest with you, family. All my friends are also egging me on to buy it

>>386722719
It's called Artifact and yes it is very real. Coming out in 2018.

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>>386721729
This isn't how Valve works, the reality is even more infuriating.

>"Hi welcome to Valve™ we'll never tell you what to do and you're free to work on whatever your heart tells you to. Might I reccomend working on the underappreciated TF2, or perhaps a new entry in our Left 4 Dead series?"
>"Nah, I'm good. I think I'm going to jerk off and make VR tech demos that will never be commercial products/dumb-ass micro games that literally no one wants because they're easy and fun for me to work on."

Valve is the way it is because their initially awesome sounding hippy-dippy work culture means people there have no incentive to work on something challenging/difficult.

>>386721984
Ayyy they were the developers for the first game.

Okay but why are people mad. Like... if you don't like it, don't play it, you know? Or are you guys seriously gonna pull the SJW angle and be all like
>well i don't like it so no one else should be allowed to play it
Please just... grow up

>>386722793
I heard they ditched that approach years ago.

>>386722793
>Hi welcome to Valve™ we'll never tell you what to do and you're free to work on whatever your heart tells you to.

it amazes me that people think valve functions this way because of some vague information disseminated on the internet years ago

yes, they have no direction, no team leads and nodobdy ever tells anybody what to do. right.

>>386722793
>thinks coding for tf2 is harder than other game
ok kid. People choose the projects they're interested in. Nobody is interested in tf2. It's old news, and they probably aren't going to stay with valve forever. Realistically that means you want to be on new, interesting and innovative projects. Successful ones too. fixing bugs for a 10 year old game is not on anyone's short list of things they'd like to do.

>>386722859
I know you're shitposting but Valve hasn't made a singleplayer game in 6 years now.

>>386722793
Yeah their business model is starting to fuck them over. It works really well, so long as you ensure that you're only hiring driven and passionate employees, but they don't do that. They'red hiring people who are "self-starters" and "have ideas", but they aren't actually doing that. Valve is probably the end goal for a lot of lazy developers, because your job description is that you don't have to do anything at all. Hence why everyone is leaving valve: without direction you lose your drive and passion.

>>386722865
Ok explain why they just abandon projects and only have 5 developers on TF2 and updates for all their games are scarce. How do they release almost no content and the last major update to Steam was 7 years ago.

You can work on anything as long as they follow market trends.

>>386722743
Watch someone play it, and that's all there is to it.

Land, scrounge for items, get shot by a camper as you run to the new safe zone.

>>386722935
then Valve has shitty Company policies

>>386722960
Or they're just going a direction that is different than what they want. Vale cares about maximum monetization. People who want to make single player games aren't going to fit in at Valve because you can't really monetize them.

>>386722960
>Yeah their business model is starting to fuck them over.

im sure theyre hemorrhaging money. just made over 100 million off the international again, as they will continue to do for 5+ more years

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I would play an Undertale TCG so bad

>>386723003
>the last major update to Steam was 7 years ago.

see, this is how you know you're dealing with argumentative children. to your app brain if the interface didnt change it wasnt updated

>>386723062
You will never ever save him.

>>386722305
>>386722450
Considering the sheer number of idle and trading servers I'd say it's even worse than it looks.

>>386723062
I would play with that goat.

>>386722865
>it amazes me that people think valve functions this way because of some vague information disseminated on the internet years ago
I'm very sure I read this in an interview with Gabe himself.

>>386722960

To be fair there was that one guy who was crying he had to move his own desk and Gaben came down and carried his desk over for him because he was a huge baby retard. I think that guy then quit.

>>386723167
>>386722865
I don't see what's so hard to believe about it. I worked in similar places. Basically, if you have an idea, and need help you "pitch" it to everyone else. If they see the merit maybe they help you. Alternatively, there is a sorta "scratch my back I'll scratch yours when the time comes" stuff that happens all the time.

>>386723062

I would suck that goat's cock like it came chocolate.

>>386723083
Yes, a major update would streamline clicks through better organizations of features. They are constantly releasing beta features like streaming that get abandoned. The platform lacks the ability to personalize it based on the wants of the users. The interface is dated, the platform has buried functionality that some people don't even know exist.

>>386723263
me too

>>386723208
Wat. You got a link on this?

>>386723263
Chara please fuck off.

>>386722865
There's multiple sources that talk about it, including their own employee handbook. Concrete positions are only established when they're necessary, by the team itself.

>>386722935
You're arguing about things I never said? In fact you're proving my point. TF2 is nowhere close to dead, and the only reason it's perceived as dying is because Valve got bored with it. The devs ditched a rabid, fanatical playerbase and a game with a ton of potential growth because "LOL WE'RE BORED WITH IT XD." TF2 is literally the biggest indictment of their dev system.

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It was all a fluke. Half-Life was the pinnacle of game design. Everything after was just bandwagon hopping. Eventually they figured out first how to print money with Steam. They do not put effort into anything anymore, they only buy people who do, like with Portal. It's not a gamedev company, it's an investment fund.
...Hold me, /v/ros.

>>386721729
why would they care about TF2 anymore

>>386723263
me too

>>386723579
Why do you say that like it's bad or scummy? Hiring modders/indies and then converting their ideas into fully-fledged, real games is perfectly legitimate.

>>386723579
gaben said in reddit ama last year they're still making a new "typical" game

its probably gonna be mostly vr oriented though, i could see something like agony style game from vavle

>>386723662
It's the only good game they ever made.

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>>386723263

>>386723083
Not even the guy you're responding too, but Steam has been broken for fucking years now. Clicking a website link that opens the website in the Steam window will frequently break every tab except for Library, Steam just not starting properly and needing the task ended to be able to restart it isn't an uncommon issue, trying to run videos from workshop pages completely freezes up the programs half the time and the download servers haven't gotten any faster in about 4-5 years despite games getting bigger. I'm sure there's other stuff I'm forgetting, but Steam really need an overhaul.

>>386723705
To bad they've done that once since 2008, and it was a completely different genre compared to everything else they make.

I blame all the people who bought hats, it's YOUR fault Valve is like this now. YOU encouraged them to only make cosmetics.

>>386723554
You said that people were afraid of working on something difficult/challenging. That is how I perceived your wording. There is nothing difficult about coding for TF2 than there is for coding other games. I guess you could call not getting bored with the game a challenge.

Well, keep crying. TF2 is just another shooting game to many people, Valve included. It doesn't particularly revolutionize anything and its monetization scheme isn't quite as profitable as the other ones they've come up with. It's not dead yet but its on a downturn. Nobody wants to work on it.

>>386723705
I'm not. But I would like to have at least some closure with HL.

>>386723863
none of that shit happens to me. it's funny how you think anecdotes from your garbage windows 8.1 laptop matter

the fact that you think these anecdotes mean other people have the same problems is doubly hilarious

>>386723863
You're forgetting Alien Swarm and the team that made the Paint FPS that Valve hired and incorporated for Portal 2 (specifically the gel parts). Plus they've hired tons of mod/indie devs who have/are working on things you don't know about.

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>>386721729
fuck valve kikes and fuck day9

>>386723883
t.overcuck player

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>>386722578
Give it a little before you purchase, see where it goes for 2 more months. Only reason I'm playing again is because they introduced the first-person servers.

>>386723863

I hate to be that guy but it works on my machine, I don't know what the fuck you've done to your install of Steam that it keeps hanging and crashing.

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>>386721729
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR4jPtrDCLo

>>386724070
>15 frames

Holy shit!

>>386724053
Try to stay on topic please.

>>386722405
Welcome to capitalism, anon.

>>386724053
Jesus Christ you really are simple.

>>386721729
valve could create the first trading card game in which you can trade cards.

how about that

>>386724105
Don't forget funnyman Rob Schneider!

>>386722960
Source : your ass

>>386724169
Of course you'll be able to trade cards. Valve will get 20% of that cut though.

>>386722865
This is literally info from Valve's own website. retard

>>386724281
I don't mean buy cards, I mean trade cards with other players. straight up trade.

also buying cards for basically change from other players is miles better than buying billion packs from jewblizzard

>>386724452
Oh, that's funny. How cheap do you think those cards will actually be?

>>386724050
>people hating based day9

>>386722072
+
pixelfart indie trash

>>386724507
Only the kids hate him. He plugged it once and said he isn't plugging it for the rest of the stream.

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>>386724103
>That moment when Valve fucked up so badly that even the Gabe dick sucking Dota fags couldn't take their shit anymore.

Could they hit rock bottom any harder?

>>386724571
I'd wager 75% of those, mimimum, will do a 180 when the game comes out and they get a free beta pass

>>386724621
That will happen when valve announces chests with useless cosmetics for the game.

artifact will be huge...i have no interest in it but it'll be huge because valve is smarter than other companies and hasn't failed yet

>>386724741
>card game
>cosmetics

hmm

>>386724840
>boards/mats
>background
>dice
>card effects

lol you fucking naive fool

>>386724840
Just wait for it.

>>386724567
Oh he's some stream fag, no wonder I had no idea who he is.

Stop giving these people relevance.

>>386724896
A shitton of particle effects, skins for characters and classes, profile customization, emotes you name it.

>>386724896
gold cards or whatever their equivalent will be as well

>>386723579
>half life was the pinnacle of game design
so basically being a worse duke nukem 3d was something to strive for

>>386725114
duke's level design felt amateurish in the first level. things are all mashed up and not enough attention was given to the main street

playing half-life 1 for the first time felt like something new

>>386721935
Literally, any other game we would have taken.

>>386725157
30 minute long interactive cutscene was not better and i strongly disagree with the first level of duke 3d being bad in any respect

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>>386721935
>WRITERS ARE GONE
As long as they have still Jay Pinkerton everything will be okay

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>>386725308
He left in July.

>>386725302
well you dont understand level design since you think forgettable ass duke3d build engine shit represents any of it, sorry bruh

>>386725308
Nope, he left as well. This doesn't mean that the TF2 comic series is guaranteed to be left unfinished though, as he claimed to have written the script for the final issue before departure.

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>>386725349
>>386725389
Well, fuck.

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>>386724896
I might actually play Artifiact so I can sell the cosmetic items and make money to buy good games. I can't make money off of Dota 2 anymore because every drop I get is unmarketable or untradeable.

>>386725308
uh yeah about that...

>>386724489
since the market will be flooded with them? cheap enough. damn blizz shill. go buy more monopoly money

>>386725826
I mean look at the value of other items on the steam market. Shitty cards will sell for pennies sure. But rare cards? Epic cards? Legendary cards? Uber-legend cards? etc? We're talking hundreds, thousands of dollars. What does this have to do with blizzard?

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>>386725474

Spiderman is black now.

>>386725728
Do it ASAP, and make sure you don't have a 2 day waiting period to post items. Shit on the Steam Marketplace sell for anywhere between 2x-10x what they're worth if you get in on them fast. I remember I got a free key for Bioshock infinite and sold the steam trading cards for $5 each within the first few hours. The PUBG Twitch Prime crates were selling for $55-$60 the first few days after the microtransaction patch hit, which is $20 more than PUBG and Amazon Prime cost combined.

Shit taste really pays.

>>386726096
if you preordered pubg you got playerunknowns set which sells for $900 on market

: |

>>386726010
Ultimate Spiderman is not Spiderman.

>Spend a tiny fraction of your money on a cute cards game
>Everyone spergs out

I just don't care that much. I'll play it and probably enjoy it. I wasn't expecting a real announcement anyway.

>>386726164
watch them announce a real game tomorrow just to fuck wiht everyone

>>386721729
>oh my god this company made a thing I am not interested in
>mount the pitchforks
Straight up entitlement

>>386726205
>entitlement

Stop shitposting.

>>386724558

the only games that are fun?

>>386726274
Stop acting entitled and I can stop using the correct term for your behaviour

>>386726330
Stop shitposting and I can stop using the correct term for your behaviour

>>386726193
Is tomorrow the final day of TI?

>>386726274
vidyadevs can make whatever they want. If you don't like it that's fine, but if you feel they should have made something that caters to your taste, that is objectively entitlement.

I WISH more devs made the games they wanted to (even if I hate them) rather than what they think their audience wants them to make.

>>386722072
Most AAA games are trash. Indies (and Nintendo games) is where the party is at.

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>>386726439
>when someone says entitlement but they don't know the definition of entitlement

Even if Half Life 3 were released, it'd be filled with microtransaction shit

Valve is dead

>>386726370
You're bitching and crying because a company made a product not catered to you
Because you expect every product the company makes to be required to be catered to you
Aka entitlement
You little baby

>>386726510
>en·ti·tled
>adjective
> believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.

>>386726010

Aren't there like a million different spidermen?

>>386726827
There's Peter Parker and Miles Morales. There's a ton of clones of Peter Parker, but none of them are Spiderman; the closest thing is Spiderwoman, who is a female clone of Peter Parker.

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>>386727028

So are these all peter parkers from other dimensions and shit?

>>386727028
Why did Peter let so many people get his nut?

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>>386726205
>Pay company money for a matchmaking pass
>It straight up doesn't work because the mode is broken
>They spend the money I gave them on developing a shitty card game instead of releasing an update to the mode after a year of waiting
Yes, I am literally ENTITLED to a working product, fuckface. That's what the word means.

>>386727135
>he honestly thinks his single purchase played any sort of factor in making a shitty card game when valve makes hundreds of millions off of selling other games

>>386722131
There there, come play Overwatch instead.

>>386727135
The point of making it cost money is to discourage cheaters which actually worked. Of course that is only representative of the competitive mode which isn't worth playing over lobbies like tf2center or pugchamp. There was a free option available and besides, spending any money at all gives you that pass so isn't representable as paying for a service

>>386726439
All people ever wanted was for these faggots to finish the stories they started. You know, like they said they were going to do over ten years ago. Valve is also at fault for perpetuating the "will we/wont we" shit about their third installments by not putting their foot down and giving anyone a real fucking answer. They've purposefully been stringing fans along for years and then when they finally release something, it's a shitty clone of other games that are currently over saturating the market.

How is it entitled for people to get pissed and hold these asshole accountable for their obvious fucking bait and switch?

>>386727602
Go make a petition or something

>>386727281
>reading comprehension
Nobody was asking for this gay fucking card game. Everyone who buys Valve's products and gave them money wanted to see an update to their existing games, or a new FPS game, or at least an improvement of their abysmal Steam support, over this stupid shit.

I don't care what you think is a "factor", it's unethical for Valve to take people's money for a product and then not properly support said product so that it actually works. That's why there is a major complaint, you dumb contrarian.

Can Spiderman spidey sence his own death?

>>386721729
Why was this photoshopped as "Undertale"? What does Undertale even remotely have to do with this?

>>386727524
>The point of making it cost money is to discourage cheaters which actually worked
You know what didn't work? Matchmaking. There are literally 0 people playing in my country.

Yes, free options were available, but I naively expected that Valve were actually going to do the right thing and make Matchmaking worth playing, so I didn't have to go to TF2Cancer.
> spending any money at all
*Spending money AND giving Valve your phone number which can be onsold to third parties to advertise to you.

>>386727780

Undertale fags need to inject themselves into everythingh

>>386727718
>Everyone who buys Valve's products and gave them money wanted to see an update to their existing games
Objectively false.

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>>386727870
>cutting out 1/3 of the sentence and telling me it's false

>>386727748
He's been killed by the Punisher at least a couple times.

>>386728097
If the sentence is false then the sentence is false.

>>386728202
>If the sentence

this is just sad

>>386728263
It's like we're on /v/ or something.

>>386728097
>Everyone who buys Valve's products and gave them money wanted to see
>an update to their existing games
>or a new FPS game
>or at least an improvement of their abysmal Steam support
>over this stupid shit.
Even if you look at the entire sentence, it's sill objectively false, because you make claims about what "everyone" wants to see. Even if you changed "everyone" to "most people" you would have no evidence whatsoever to back up your claims.

>>386721935
Its actually even worse.

The only writer they have left is a massive SJW

>>386728770
explain

>>386725474
>>386725308
>makes rape jokes and denies the holocaust
I'm surprised he could get work in this day and age with those two images on the internet. Makes me wonder why he left.

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>>386728408
At least people start realizing that card games are cancer and they would take anything instead of it.

But we all know it will be a massive success with steam market.

>>386729207
Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap

>>386727837
That is utterly the wrong answer. The worst Undertale fans would rather draw more Sans OCs, not shop themselves into a game that has completely nothing to do with them.

>>386721729
gaben is in his mid 50ies and one of the richest men on the planet he doesn't give a shit about escapist hobby for autistic young adults anymore

>>386723579
Half-life was just a singleplayer jumping puzzle game with shooting elements.

Half-life 2 was just the above but also a tech demo for the (at the time) new and revolutionary Source engine.

Both HL games are "meh" at best and no-one actually wants them. Valve knows this so in order to make money from a possible HL3 they're gunna have to wait another 5-10 years until they have a shiny new engine with state-of-the-art gfx and physics to show off in it, then base all of their future games off of that engine in order to make money from it.

>>386723778
And they didn't even make it, like nearly all of their games. 90% of Valve games are just mods they bought from other people.

>Dota 2
Old WC3 mod

>TF2
The old TF Classic mod for Half-Life

>Counterstrike
HL mod

>Gary's Mod
Sandbox mod utilizing the Source Engine

etc etc

>>386724896
This. Also foil/shiny cards that autists will lose their shit over.

>>386721729
>TF2
>ever good
>caring about TF2
cringe

>>386723263
>tfw no angsty omnipotent insecure teenager bf

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Why be creative if you can fuck some skins in a case every month or two and make millions?

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>>386722072
with PClosers

>>386733579
You mean PCbros.

>>386734723
PC
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>>386733579
This. I rather play playstation kino(tm) like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3vr4El4cmI&index=4&list=LL5ohBcfXf5wJ-OHgXXpnHvw

>>386727090
Not all of them are Peter. The girls, for example, are just Spider Woman and shit like that, but some are from other dimensions, yes.

>>386722305
https://teamwork.tf/community/statistics

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>>386721729
Wait, what?

That sounds like the coolest thing ever!

>>386721729
>get to use stupid and goofy team comps in some kind of card game/board game hybrid
>more stupid dota lore that I love
>they introduce new heroes that eventually make it into the main game
>Ilexa hero

>>386721729
>Why aren't they doing for one of the games I like?
>Suddenly, money is all they care about. This company has been taken over by greed!

Announcement was disappointing but I forgot about it like an hour later.
They should've just dump a demo so people can actually play the game and see what it's about. There lots of card games that each play differently, saying "here we're making a card game" is like saying "we're making a FPS"
It might actually be good and Valve has trade/marketplace shit already implemented.

A cardgame by Valve isn't even surprising, the signs started appearing years ago.

I don't understand how anyone can be upset about this longer than a day.
At least make some good arguments instead of entitled complaints or pulling shit out of your ass like this guy

>>386725940
>We're talking hundreds, thousands of dollars
There are only a few +thousand dollar cards in MtG, probably the most popular TCG.
Sure, there are cards that cost several hundred dollars but those are either special prints or foils.

>>386723091
>mfw the heart locket in the ps4 exclusive has a secret code that unlocks the real ending where you can save him

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>>386721729
I don't see the problem. There are only a few digital card games and at the moment hearthstone trumps them all

>>386721729
I hope this uses steam trading cards.

>>386722578
>implying it ever ends

>>386738646
I guess I'll never try it then.

>>386737194
just like there's only a few hero shooters and overwatch trumps them all. It's not a matter of no one rising to rival it in quality, it's a matter of the fact that blizzard did it first, people have invested their time with it, and won't move to something else. Same with hearthstone.

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>>386721729
>Blizzard beats Valve by copying TF2 and making Overwatch
>Valve trying to get them back by copying Hearthstone

This is going to tank hard.

>>386727028
>>386726827
there are literally infinite spider men

>>386722072

Capitalism

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>>386738840
>just like there's only a few hero shooters and overwatch trumps them all. It's not a matter of no one rising to rival it in quality, it's a matter of the fact that blizzard did it first, people have invested their time with it, and won't move to something else.

despite OW matchmaking taking longer then most leading fps that are supposedly "dead", its doing the best

ok

>>386728408
lol

>>386725157
>duke's level design felt amateurish in the first level
Imagine being this wrong and underage

>>386739094
It still pulls more viewers on twitch, and has more discussion revolving around it than those other games, yes. Yes that's exactly how it works.

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>>386739064
>far left superdonors funding game studios owned by megacorps encouraging them to dumb down and fill their product with leftist propaganda is "capitalism"

ok kid

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>>386738950
>PUBG beats both

>>386722450
TF2 probably peaked before steam charts was a thinig

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>>386739673
>It still pulls more viewers on twitch, and has more discussion revolving around it than those other games, yes.

>kids watching there favorite streamers who are being paid by blizz's PR department = a healthy game to PLAY that has a healthy PLAYERBASE

Next you are going to say PUBG isn't a meme game for 13 year olds

>>386721729
Someone explain to me how they're allowed to call their game undertale?

>>386721729
they don't put all their people on the same projects

>>386728770
>massive SJW
Knowing /v/ this means nothing more than "he doesn't vote conservative"

Are valvedrons finally waking up to the fact that valve only cares about making easy shekels?

>>386739823
Radiation sure as fuck doesn't have the money to take them to court over it

>>386722395
I'm glad you're funding Arkane, Todd.

>>386739823
because you're literally retarded

>>386733228
L4D was inspired by zombie CS maps.