http://www.npr.org/sections/health- shots/2017/08/09/5422156

Sounds retarded.

>>386684042
>dudebro shooters makes you dumb
no shit

>>386684175
Found the CoD player

>>386684042
>For Study 1, 33 (29 male) healthy, right-handed participants were recruited. For Study 2, 43 (14 males) people participated without having been a part of Study 1 and who all met the non-video game playing criteria of Study 1. In Study 3, 21 (8 males) people participated without having participated in Studies 1 or 2 (see Supplementary Tables 1a and b for demographic descriptions).

Reading the study is a lark.

>>386684042
even if it was true i wouldnt give half a rat's ass

nice try nintendo shill, but you can't persuade me to play your mario retardie games

wow nintendo redeemed

>>386684042
I bet the studies were thorough with fair sample sizes, excellent controls and accounted for for other aspects of the test subjects life.

>>386684042

>"Playing the recently released role-playing title 'Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar' was found to cause what experts called an 'overload' of the subject's nervous system."

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>>386684042
clearly written by a nu-male cuckold Redditor faggot who only ever played Jump Man because he hates competiton and wears a NES controller belt

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>>386684042
>People who played DOAX3 video game experienced a condition dubbed "muh dick".

I've heard of a study a few years ago that linked playing Super Mario 64 to having a better spatial awareness etc., so it doesn't really surprise me, however I am surprised shooters supposedly have the opposite effect.

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>>386684042
JUSTICE!

CHECKMATE CONSERVATIVES!

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>>386684042
seems like dudebro science

>>386685013
The only ones I recognize from that list are Lobos Jr. and I think Michael from Vsauce, what is specifically wrong with them? I don't think any of those points apply to them.

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>they didn't bother to study the affects on those who play strategy games

>>386684042
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/mp2017155a.html?foxtrotcallback=true

The whole study's method seems really fucking flimsy. 90 hours of videogames over 60 days. Keep in mind, used with a study group that didn't play videogames, either.

>>386684042
>play mostly action video games
>my memory is actually really good and I don't get stressed easily
???

>>386685210
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>>386685210
>90 hours over 60 days
Fucking pathetic

>>386685210
>Keep in mind, used with a study group that didn't play videogames, either.
What's wrong with that? Seems fair for the study. If they picked people who played vidya before, there would be a risk of overlap between the games they played.

However I don't know how expressive 90 hours are.

>>386685068
If it's modern-type shooters like CoD in which you really don't have to care about where you are in the map because the map is pretty much a hallway in a string of hallways, it makes a fair bit of sense that the spatial navigation part of your brain isn't going to get much of a workout.

If they tried something like System Shock 2 I bet it would end up a lot different.

t. armchair nobody

>playing video games kills braincells!
>watching TV doesn't tho :^)

hmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMM

>>386684042
And they said media doesn't affect our brains.

So which is it?

You can't have it both ways

>>386684042
>"If I had to recommend a type of video game to someone, it would be a 3-D platform or logic puzzle game. The evidence is clear at this point that these games can be beneficial for the brain,"

back to play TIS-100 and spacechem

>>386685430
So, did they play the campaigns? Because I think playing against other players would have a more benefitial effect for spatial awareness.

>>386685445
You could atleast read the entire OP post.

>>386685478
They said media doesn't affect our brains in certain ways, and not they say it does affect our brain in other certain ways.

>>386685414
I play 90 hours in less than a week.

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>>386684042
name one study about video games and media that is not total bullshit and full of ulterior motives

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FPS are for brainlets confirmed

So FPSlets really are brainlets after all

>>386685414
So it doesn't reflect on longterm videogame players (VGPs as they call them) who've developed learning strategies or used said spatial awareness instead of, by the looks of it, filtering them through handholding modern campaigns that actively inhibit thought.

It's a generalization of genres and shows complete unfamiliarity with the source material. And it's that generalization that could be so easily used to make blanket statements and piss off a lot of people.

Using non-VGPs in itself is a good idea, though.

>>386685445
I'm sure you'll find plenty of studies saying that it does.

>>386685625
Yes, but what does that have to do with the study?

>>386685627
I don't know, but why do you automatically assume ulterior motives before reading the study?

>>386684042
This is such horseshit, I've got great navigational skills and memory. Fuck, I still remember weapon respawn times, points, and spawn cycles all the way back to Halo 2.

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Modern FPS games are made for literal children and normalfags, so it makes sense.

>>386685731
Alright, fair enough.

>>386684042

Did they look into the mental health of these people at all? The games had nothing to do with it. Depression, however, has been shown to result in the shrinkage of the hippocampus.

I'm not talking about some who's sad they didn't get that promotion or that some said mean words to them, but actual depression, the chemical imbalance that lasts for years.

>>386685740
That's a little more than an hour a day. That's not enough to discern any long term affects on the brain, however I don't know what else they could have done. It just seems like bullshit.
What about people who have played games their entire lives, almost obsessively? How does that affect THEM?

>>386685861
>Did they look into the mental health of these people at all?
Yes, they filtered out anyone with any diagnosed conditions. I posted the study earlier.

>>386685801
Remembering things from games and having a great memory in general is not the same thing.

As an example, I think I still remember most movepools and evolution levels for all gen 1 to gen 4 pokemons, but I catch myself forgetting the simplest shit in other fields.

>>386685882
>What about people who have played games their entire lives, almost obsessively? How does that affect THEM?
I think it would be hard to find a large enough group of people since everyone played different games. But I agree that would probably be a more fruitful study.

>>386684448
>no replies
But yeah, study doesn't mean shit.
I'm always both surprised and yet not surprised that shit like this gets this many replies.

>>386684448
>more than half are women
surely this is going to give us representative results for people who play massive amounts of shooters

>>386684042
>Thoughts?
That there seems to be something really wrong with the study, particularly the way the two groups were set. The platformer-playing group spend on average TEN HOUR LESS a week on the games than the FPS group. Seems like a bit of a relative comparison problem.

Also, they seemed to have only focused particularly on the hippocampal regions. And the article actually specifically states that this is normal for short-term neuroplaticity: one thing grows, the other shrinks: platformers train spatial memory and orientation, while (I can only assume these were multiplayer FPS) games train other regions of the brain.

As far as I'm concerned, this is a really interesting study for reasons completely unrelated to games: It seems to provide reasonable supportive data that hippocampus IS, indeed, mainly responsible for spatial memory and orientation. That is cool.

As the article says though, it's actual relevance for videogames is very small.

>>386685478
>And they said media doesn't affect our brains.
Who the FUCK said that?
Seriously, show me the moron that claims that games do not affect neuroplasticity? You know we had been using games to combat dementia for a decade now, right?

Of course if fucking affects our brains. Like literally every other fucking thing you do.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/brain-function-boosted-for-days-after-reading-a-novel-9028302.html
These changes aren't dramatic, or permanent: our brain consistently restructuralizes itself based on stimuli we are getting.
If you go out cutting fucking grass with a scythe for six hours a day for four weeks, I can guarantee it will change something in your brain too.
It's no big deal. Brain is not a stationary thing.

>>386685623
>They said media doesn't affect our brains in certain ways
Let's be completely clear: they just say that media don't produce the kind of psychopathological behavior they had been accussed of producing. Like "playing violent games is not going to turn you into violent psychopath". Which is a REAL far spell from saying "games don't affect our brains".

>npr

Information disregarded

>meanwhile, grand strategy players experienced a 200% increase in testosterone
>fighting game fans had dick shrink by 15%

>>386685068
call of duty shooters have linear paths where the game leads you by the hand from set piece to set piece, no exploration is allowed.

>>386684042
>Brainless FPS games make you stupid because you only shoot and don't do shit
>Platform games that challengue your cognitive learning and reactions make you smarter

no shit

>>386687886
no thats not the point at all

supposedly its because in a shooter you are constantly in danger and trying to outplay opponents, that the brain starts to favor instincts over logic. but its bullshit anyway.

>>386688009
>Brainless FPS games make you stupid
By that logic, you must have been playing nothing but those FPS's all your life.