>mmo itch starts flaring up again >mmo's are dead

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All I want to do is play City of Heroes again.

Yup, it's over man.

Until shitshows like FFXIV and nu-WoW stop making money, it's going to be more of the same. Nobody has patience for the old ways of MMOs anymore.

>>386648687
why do the good ones die first
>>386648714
how bad is ff14
i was playing on warmane-wotlk with my friends a few months ago but we got tired of the server really fast cause literally all people did was farm ICC and sit in town with their bought shadowmournes. half of the server was only characters that could equip shadowmourne.
we couldn't even get a 10man raid together 3 weeks in a row for content under ICC at that contents gearscore level which is 80% of the game that people were just skipping

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>>386648552
I really miss Rubies of Eventide

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>>386649079
i had a computer that could barely run that so i never got to get into that game
it looked in-depth as all fuck though

>just play old MMOs that are still being run, they're good
Feels good not needing to drown myself in trash anymore

>>386649283
what're some good mmo's?
i played enough vanilla wow from the last couple years that i couldn't play on a 1x server again

>tried a wow pserver a few years back
>never really got into it before because i was poor and played runescape instead
>queue for a dungeon
>everyone is completely silent
>everyone else knows exactly what to do and when
>only time someone talks is when they have something to complain about
it was depressing

>>386648552
try Amber aka Firefall made by people who arent greedy.

>>386649236
>blunt weapons damage your HP exclusively, running out of it only leaves you unconscious and you may be finished off after that
>piercing weapons damage your BP exclusively, you get killed when it runs out
>swords/axes deal balanced damage on both
>some enemies like banshees can hurt your EP, which is directly tied to your mana, and kill any tank almost instantly, they have to be taken on by a spellcaster, preferably a cleric or paladin
>you can grab the body of a dead ally and take them to a temple for resurrection
Wish more games would still do shit like this

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>traditional FPS itch starts flaring up again
>it's a dead in the water as a genre

got to desperate I installed RO2/RS yesterday, played it for an hour and uninstalled that shit agian.

>>386648552
>genre is dead in the water
>thousands of titles that play exactly the same as the most popular titles

there are entire sites dedicated to updating you on MMOs, and while most of them are generic, there seems to be a new one out every week.

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>>386649773
>games that require effort from the dev and player are no longer made or popular
>still have a craving for them

being a millenial is the worst cause you got a taste of the good life of bustling gaming communities but you were only 10-15~ in 2005 so you only learned how to have fun in those types and now it's dead and you don't know what to do.
at least the people that were playing when the communities first started appearing were doing different gaming stuff before that and they can adapt easier.

>>386648687
It could have happened, but it won't ever

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>>386650014
>the mmo species isn't dead, look at that! *points at water*
>*bloated corpse of wow fish floating in stagnant pond with wow clone maggots and flies crawling all over it*

>>386650014
>there seems to be a new one out every week.
Not at all

are there any good mmo in which you can own and operate and upgrade a ship? Either a fishing or war vessel idc

>city building itch starts
>don't have the strength to install the gazillion SC4 mods anymore
>VGA died so I can't play C:S

I am barely scratching the itch with Settlers VI and Patrician 3

>>386650228
>food analogy

>>386650507
>not an argument

>>386650280
black desert?

>>386650280
idk if archeage is dead or not but it had naval combat that was pretty fun
one of the first big boats you make was a harpoon boat and could harpoon the bottom of the ocean and flip the boat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3xy3qFlmlo

>>386650539
you're right, your food analogy wasn't an argument. kindly assert your point by highlighting how the genre is dead please.

I thought MMOs were cool when you still had to pay to play Ragnarok Online fifteen fucking years ago.
I also thought EVE Online was cool back in 2010.
RO got boring after I played the shit out of it in a private server.
EVE soured really hard when I saw what became of them after my six-year vacation in the slammer.

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>>386650625

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>>386650507
>a fish in a pond is a food
just say you hate any kind of analogy but that's stupid because analogies are good way to juxtapose your point to something else that is equally as ridiculous but you just like making sure you're on that 4chan le epic maymay bandwagon so you won't take any of this to heart

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>there are niggers itt without clutch of jikun

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>>386650737
>get called out for not having anything worthwhile to say
>proceed to spam reaction meme images

here have a facebook meme response.

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>>386650839
>literally half of the normies time on nu-WoW is spent running OLD content for mounts he'll never use
>another 45% is for managing his garr- i mean his CLASS HALL
>3% is browsing AH for mounts he missed
>1% is spent farming mats
>1% explaining why he can't raid

You know the genre is dead when your only damn options are Wow, FFXIV and fucking BDO. When will a company that isn't retarded come along and break the mold of theme parks and grinding sandboxes with moba tier classes.

>>386650280
Puzzle Pirates

Black desert online is fun
Endgame is grinding so you can grind more so you can grind more.
It's like archeage without the aids

>>386651062
>not raiding lfr because of the fact that everything not automated in this game is pure fuckin cancer because somehow pugs are retarded and dont get out of the fire

>>386651156
>because somehow pugs are retarded
when you remove the need for critical thinking to even enter a raid it encourages retardation

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>>386648552
Give Elder Tale a try.
Homesteading the Noosphere expansion May 3rd next year.

>>386651213
im glad that blizzard wont remove lfr so you elitist tryhard faggot wont get the chance to be a cunt in your normal pug progresions

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The only way a good MMO could ever be made at this point is if money becomes a non factor for the devs, as in they have infinite funds to make and update the game.

Then add it actually making good design decisions and adopt a cute anime aesthetic like Tree of Savior (subjective but you now it's the best) into the mix and you realize MMO will never be good.

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>>386651297
>I'm actually glad i'm surrounded by fucking idiots

>>386650280
Allods online

>>386650802
it falls flat when the argument is so nebulous, with the OP just saying the genre is "dead" with no reasoning or explanation, leading that other guy to put forward a faulty premise. plenty of MMOs are active or in development and they aren't all derivative of WoW if you know the history of the genre.

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>>386651419
>only good wow clone
>gpotato fucking ruins it
>russian version is leagues better than whatever anyone could ever get to play unless russkies themselves

>>386651414
yes

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>>386650280
>No private server will ever have fully working JTL
>ywn have another crew like the one you had with your friends
I want to go back.

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>>386651698
Its not fair

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>>386648552
Wait for vr to get it's shit together. One day a vr mmo will come out and everyone will be playing it, but right now you just have to be patient.

>>386651685
>plenty of MMOs are in development
Name 5.

>>386652165
if you can connect it to social media or make it a better social media than actual social media it'll become popular but as it stands people don't need mmos anymore because they can just look at their phone between moba matches and see what their friends are doing

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>>386652314

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>>386652314
>Star Citizen
>Ashes of Creation
And another three scams of your choosing

>>386652314
>Is star citizen an mmo?
>That wizard game where you build buildings
That's all I got

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>want to play MMO
>realize you're now an adult that works a fulltime job and go to the gym instead of the kid that played for 6 hours everyday

>>386652676
you're literally the type of person that killed mmorpgs

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>>386652676
Why not both?

>>386652676
Wait, I recognize the artist...

>>386652804
Mmorpgs killed themselves copying WoW for a short term profit.

Love DFO but i miss when it was a more casual game, now the game expects the average player to raid on 10 characters to keep up

Fuck Koreans

>>386652591

>Ashes of creation
Why do all these kickstarter games have some god awful combat that's pretty much just wow tier? It's the modern world with new netcode techniques and broadband why are all the fucking games still the same 'Don't stand here, stand here, rotate cds'. Will we ever get true action combat that isn't some shitty moba tier cd rotation with aiming?

>>386650067
open up your gaming palette literally just play more games literally diveriser

>>386653671
Not just that
>guys we making the best mmo ever
>kickstarter
>never comes out
As opposed to
>make game
>release it together with the hype
>roll in cash forever

>>386648552
I played UO for 4 years during its peak but basically gave up on MMOs after that. I'm playing other stuff and waiting to see how the first VR MMO will be. Current MMOs have too much grinding or awful cash shops, and aren't worth playing IMO.

So just to make sure, what exactly went wrong with modern mmorpg's? Was it:
>rising dev costs which lead to no innovation/experimentation
>players that want new games to resemble old ones(AKA: actually wanting WoW clones)
>players not actually knowing what they want?
>players wanting games to be too casual/hardcore?

>>386653812
Actually it's
>want to make an mmo
>it's risky and you need funds
>bank tell you to fuck off when you ask for more than 6 figures
>desperately look for an editor
>they accept
>force you to do all sorts of changes
>game is released
>wow clone #1332

DRAGONS DOGMA ONLINE WHEN?! WHY WONT CAPCOM LET ME GIVE THEM MY MONEY?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OMgZZNj8SA

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>>386653671
>New netcode techniques and broadband
Do you even know what you're talking about? Netcodes haven't evolved in over 20+ years. The way the server sends packets to the clienr hasn't changed at all. Also, having 100mbps broadband internet doesn't make your MMO better. MMOs are entirely based on latency and stability, not download speed. MMORPGs at their core gams design are based off of MUDs except with 3D graphics. If you don't like MUDs, you won't like MMOs. End of story. Expecting an entire genre for the past 20+ years to change exclusively for you is shortminded.

I've been fighting off an urge to play Vindictus and resorted to watching youtube videos because the girls are hot. Combat system looks bretty good too.

>>386652676
>People shouldn't get to experience things and have fun because I can't! WAAAAH!
Congratulations you're the reason MMOs are dead.

>>386648552
TESO is pretty fun.
However people complaining about the lore rape are entirely justified. So it depends on how into it you are.

>>386648552
FFXIV is far from dead. But it's not for everyone. If you want some magical MMO that has hundreds of thousands of players, world pvp with droppable loot from players, unlimited amount of content, not have microtransactions or grinding, and devil may cry tier combat then you're setting your expectations way too high and you're exactly the reason why the genre is in a slump.

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>>386652329
>make it a better social media than actual social media it'll become popular

This is what I meant by vr getting its shit together. Almost every time I have seen portrayed in fictional media it was always related to socializing with others via avatars.

I also think this is also the reason MMOs suck right now. They only work if there is incentive to social with others and things like fb and twitter have monopolized that. Vr can change socializing over the internet so it most likely give mmos some fresh air it needs.

>>386654687

Yes because that's exactly what we need, more clones of more shit already out. Has wildstar taught you people nothing? We need a new breath of fresh air into this genre, something to break the monotony of something that's been the same for a long ass time. How about starting with one of the most important parts of the game: the combat.

I just want to dick around in 2005 era eve online.

Fucking hell why is code ok but privateers is a big no-no

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ESO is actually pretty good now, it's the only modern MMO that hasn't made me want to commit suicide after a couple days of playing.

>>386655189
Too bad VR MMOs are impossible for common households because of the retarded amount of system requirements you need to sustain it.

>Need 120+ frames per second to avoid motion sickness for VR
>MMOs rely exclusively on your CPU, the one component everyone neglects in their PC because "MUH GAMING NVIDIA GPU AND 4K/120HZ MONITOR"
>Tons of people crowded in a MMO = lag = severe motion sickness and unplayable game = flop

>>386655364
Give your ideas for the perfect MMO then faggot. Be specific and elaborate your points, don't just say "better combat" or "less grinding" because that's not being specific. Step up to the fucking plate autismo.

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>>386655523
you stupid fuckchild there are ways to work around that

>>386655735
>Give your ideas for the perfect MMO then faggot.
Not him, but Empyrion Galactic Survival, all on one big server with a more competent dev team.

There, perfect.

>>386655823
Elaborate how do you design your MMO around these VR limitations. Are you going to donate everyone who buys your game a PC capable of running 120FPS in a modern MMO

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I unironically think that the way Dark Souls does it's pseudo-mmo multiplayer is the best possible method.
>game is still genuinely good and well-designed for singleplayer instead of being gimped
>can integrate with other players quickly for co-op or pvp whenever you like
I know "souls-like" is a dumb meme but I'd like to see someone make a pseudo-MMO that had a Demon's Souls style hub full of players that let you access different levels that you could play solo or with up to 3 other people and have invasions and duels and shit. They could also have bosses balanced around raids and have like 10 people fight it at once, and make the bosses and general game a bit more balanced for multiple players so it doesnt break the game like co-op in Dark Souls.

>>386655906
>Early access open world survival
Just what we need more of

>>386649423
I heard Flyff is still alive.

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>It's another"/v/ brainstorms MMO ideas that would flop on day one" episode

Just face it you guys want action RPGs with co-op, not MMOs.

>>386656053
It remind me when i played vindictus beta but without pvp.

>>386655918
make it look like runescape

>>386655068
FFXIV is one of the reasons the genre is in a slump, not me.

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Damn I miss you.

>>386656053
Souls boss AI would be absolutely retarded with 10 people unless you make the bosses really huge with large hit boxes you need to avoid, but then they become lame because you're fighting a bosses foot most of the time. There won't be any group mechanics either like in FFXIV, the AI will just chase after random people like in Monster Hunter.

>>386655473
I got bored after the tutorial does it get better?

>>386655918

pc gaming never was and never will be for poorfags

>>386655523
Do people really get motion sickness from VR? People are a bunch of pussies.

>>386656531
FFXIV is one of the reasons the genre isn't unsustainable.

>>386656547

kill yourself weeb

>>386656708
Play a VR game at 30FPS, see what happens. Same logic as playing 30hz games on a 120hz monitor. Except imagine the monitor are two separate monitors glued infront of your eyes with a headset.

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>Game finally has good combat and moves away from the shitty tab targetting that's holding the genre back
>Everything else about the game sucks

>>386648552
Try Pantheon when it comes out, OP. Even if it ends up crashing and burning, it ought to be a blast for a few months.

>>386648552

Just fucking play EVE

>>386656665
yes

>>386656941
There's not a single MMO combat system that's better than tab target.

>Hurr tera
Falls apart completely when you're not Soloing.
>Hurr black desert
See Tera

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>>386655523
>>386655823
>>386655918
Rome was not built in a day. Right now there are limits but with enough time it will change, not to mention there are vr developers out there willing to take risk because how new the platform is. People want this shit, I know they do, but takes work, time, money, and alot of love to make it happen.

>>386656707

Delusional. Why do you think piracy exists? PC gaming is more poorfag friendly than console gaming.

>>386656883
every fucking time

>>386657049
How long will it take for the average home PC to reach 120 FPS in a crowded MMO without lag or sickness?

>>386654529
>western ddo release
That would be nice. But nice things don't happen anymore. All we can do is move on.

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>>386656924
THIS

I want to play mobas with my friends but none of them want to play mmo:s. It's just not fun with random people or solo, if that's even possible.

All I want is the old mmos before WoW popularize raids back, that shit is cancer. Make people want to party up naturally, not force them into one map and then kick them out

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>>386656784
Why cause I was playing a catgirl or what?

There were literally only humans or cats to choose from.

>>386657332
What did people used to do in EverQuest before instanced raiding? Spend hours spamming LFG in chat? Walk through areas slow as fuck because no mounts. Fight a world boss on a spawn time that barely had mechanics and was mainly a dps/debuff check?

>>386657047
>falls apart completely
how even

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OPEN WORLD PVP SURVIVAL CRAFTING MMO WITH PERMA DEATH AND LOOTING OTHER PLAYERS CORPSES is what this MMO genre needs.

Fuck off with your mob grinding, spamming group invites in chat to kill a carebear PvE boss, and tedious questing.

>>386657612

Actually speak to other players for one.

>>386657747
Game engine shits itself when it has to calculate the combat log in a non-solo or instanced MMO battle scenario. Also it becomes a visual clusterfuck.

>>386657842

So EVE? Minus the permadeath, of course.

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>>386651228
>YWN live in the Database
Why even live?

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>>386654746
When did he say that
Where, anywhere in that fucking post, did he even so much as imply that.
How did the 2 neurons in your fucking brain manage to rub together this backwards-ass thought.

>>386658001
Sounds like your pc is just trash
Visuals can be turned down if they're really that jarring

>>386657938
So people paid a monthly subscription fee to use a AOL chatroom? What did they for MMO mechanics that's way better than modern MMOs? Not talking about forced socialization because no auto group finder but how exactly did players invest so much time into the game without it being boring or using the game as a chatroom exclusively?

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>>386657842
Sounds like uncomfy, edgy garbage that will be infested by underage psychos

>>386658147
Korean MMOs use game engines that are notoriously unoptimized. Getting a better computer won't stop poor coding that leads to massive CPU frame drops.

>>386658279
>able to play every max level dungeon at 80fps at near-max settings
Sounds like a you problem

>>386658393
Reread the reply chain. The engine falls apart in non instanced dungeons.

>tfw years too late to play Hellgate London
Is there anything similar?

>>386658154

Modern MMOs are basically just gacha trash with auction boards and queues. Everyone is " da hero! "

This is why Runescape is so fondly remembered. You could just catch fish, cook them and sell them. Or you could be a dick with a gank squad in the wilderness. Or you could be a hunter/gatherer. Or a trader. etc.

WoW and other themepark MMOs are garbage because player agency and emergent gameplay opportunities are nonexistent. You're literally just being skinner boxed to death.

>>386658454
Game works fine for me in instanced dungeons, agian, your hardware is trash.

>>386657842
I would enjoy a game similar to this but with an intricate and involving storyline to complement the game play. Also, having a pre-modern industrialized feel to it. Maybe like EVE Online but Steampunk. That is my dream game.

>>386658616
I could fish, cook them, and sell them in FFXIV too. I also can be gatherer/crafter/market board seller. I could also be a dick in frontlines pvp by swapping classes during combat.

But nope RuneScape is the only one that does this and is fondly remembered.

>>386658674
>Works fine in linear closed off dungeon
No shit.
Now go out in the open world and engage in massive player battle. See what happens.

>>386657080

people who pirate games live with mommy and daddy, maybe work, but spend all their income on pc hardware instead of moving out of home and getting qualified

>>386658787

Did I say Runescape was the only game in history that did any of the stuff I was praising? I'll wait here while you sit there feeling like a huge faggot.

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>>386657202
If I'm honest maybe a decade. Yea I know wishful thinking but this is kind of thread. Btw I am keeping expectations super low. I don't expect the first attempt to be good. If anything I look forward to progress. Persistance is all it takes.

>>386658860
>Playing MMO's for unbalanced PvP
you only have yourself to blame

>>386659013
u mad jit

>>386659087
Doesn't even have to be pvp. Korean MMOs shit themselves in open world massive multiplayer PVE too.

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>>386657842
>PERMA DEATH
Yeah no cause no one will ever do word PVP like that.

I would like it if you dropped gold or potions of something when you get killed by others.

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>>386659123

>I have no retort because I am incorrect
>lel u mad

>>386659368
yeah u mad

>>386648687
The creators are apparently trying to make something similar to it, not sure if they have made any progress on it.

>>386658574
Path of Exile.

I still have hope for Camelot Unchained to not be garbage.

>>386648552
I will never forget FFXI.

>>386650280
Allods online.

At the end of the day people just want more WoW. As evident by how FFXIV is growing, there's always a new private server for WoW coming out with massive numbers of players joining, and how the 3 most subbed MMOs on Reddit are all Themepark MMOs.

>>386649523
Usually the person who talks the most we know is going to be the shitter.

They talk in order to humanize themselves so we don't boot them when they fuck up.

>>386659206
Theres no open world PVE in TERA..Nothing that counts as "massive"

>>386659926

>defending the single player MMO vibe

Nigga, that shit is cancer.

>>386659865
this. the WoW formula is too strong. it's what the majority of people want. developers couldn't care less about niche sandbox MMO ideas or shit like permadeathforcedsocializationopenworldsurivalcraftingeveryonemustfuckingcirclejerktogether

>>386655189
>I also think this is also the reason MMOs suck right now. They only work if there is incentive to social with others and things like fb and twitter have monopolized that.

It certainly didn't help that several MMOs (I'm looking at you, WoW) actively stripped out and de-incentivized the social aspect over several years in an attempt to attract people who traditionally don't like MMOs.
LFG/LFR teleportation, removal of group quests/world elite mobs, server depopulation & fragmentation, reduction of world travel, incorporating functionality of outside tools directly into the game (removing the need to ask people on the server chats), these all contributed to the WoW's downfall.

But that audience immediately dropped ship and migrated to MOBAs when they became popular.

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>>386660524
>>386660524

>>386656707
THE biggest pc games of all times were played by brazilians, chinks and russians in toasters

>mmo's are dead in the water as a genre
Ever thought it's because almost every MMO was just a WOW clone? And that those MMOs are total shit?
Regardless, MMO's aren't dead, they're just changing. Technically Destiny was an MMO and it was quite successful. The Division, while pretty shitty, had lots of MMO mechanics and it also did pretty well and was fun. MMOs aren't dead but they won't be more shitty WOW clones.

>>386660638
also it's no surprise that the top 3 MMOs are all toaster friendly. WoW can be played on 2004 hardware, FFXIV runs on PS3 from 2006, and Runescape runs on phones and your web browser.

>>386660790
>WoW can be played on 2004 hardware

Have you played WoW since 2013? It absolutely fucking cant you faggot

>>386655473
I heard Morrowind fucked it up and people were leaving.

Survival games tend to satisfy my mmo itch. Not even close to the same but they give me similar feelings only survival games always have cancer players.

>>386656903
>if
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>>386657612

you fought other guilds for spawns
I remember racing against another huge guild.

it was painful but it generate GRIT

It was like playing Dark Souls with a group of people where half knew what to do and the other half just bought the game.