What are the Do's and Don't of game design? I'll

Don't put more than 50% of the budget in anything other than gameplay

>>386635348
>>Dodge has a cooldown
thats literally the only way i survived bayonettas god-awful shmup levels because i couldnt see shit

>>386635348
DONT
>have both a limited ammo supply and a gun repair system where the gun gets weaker the more it is used
>have any sort of weapon repair system
>have weapon durability

Don't
>Sniper rifles
>Sniper class

>>386635704
funny seeing how most modern AAA out something like 80% into advertising.

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>>386635348
BUY MY BOOK

https://www.amazon.com/Game-Design-Nick-Childers-ebook/dp/B00VID6D68/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1502274127&sr=1-1&keywords=nick+childers

The book is a criingey compilation of /v/ what you like/dislike in games threads and I want to know how to get it unpublished, but Amazon is a mess to navigate.

DO:
>Ranged weapons use projectiles instead of hitscan
>Automate tedious actions such as crafting or climbing

>>386636382
>Ranged weapons use projectiles instead of hitscan
>I want my games to lag the fuck out when a bunch of rapid fire ranged weapons are fired

>>386636459
>implying collision detection for bullets are an issue anymore

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DON'T
>Collectibles.

>ESPECIALLY DON'T
Unmarked collectibles.

>>386636889
Wow. I fucked that up, lol.

>>386636889
Fuck you, what's wrong with collectibles?

>>386637016
They're garbage game design. Shit's just not fun. Nobody likes scouring every corner of the level. You only like collectibles 'cause you're not averse to using guides. Either that, or you're a Nintendo fan.

>>386636889
DO NOT DO THIS EVEN AS A JOKE
>Unmarked collectibles hidden in nooks and crannies you would never think twice about

>>386637243
Exactly. Fuck that shit.

>>386635348
It's all relative.
So long as there's a buyer, do whatever.
Probably a bad idea if you intentionally try to antagonise your buyer.
But then again Kojima does that and it works so whatev

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Dos:
An rpg has to be made by people experienced with tabletop RPG's even if the game in question isn't even remotely similar to any table top rpg.

certain DONTS that modern(i.e women) game developers insert in their games will never happen in a game made by a seasoned DM. things like pointless side quests, self insert npcs, immortal npcs, taking away the PCS power/items, gating power behind pointless fetch quests and collectables and many other small things that really ruin a game. if you tried this shit with a group they will find another DM. that's why classic RPGS made in the 90s-early 00s are the golden standard and everything we have today is shit.

people don't have the tabletop experience to really make good rpgs anymore

>>386635947
That's because a bad game marketed a lot still makes more than twice the money than a good game with minimal marketing.

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>>386637553

Da rules

>Opening a menu must take no more than 1.5 seconds
>scrolling and selecting items in menus should be instantaneous, latency is unacceptable
>when selecting items in a menu a satisfying sound prompt must be played, nothing too fancy just a sound with a nice "snap" to it
>Menus must always be at 60fps, no exceptions
>gameplay must always be AT THE VERY LEAST a stable 30fps. A higher framerate is preferable but stability takes precedence.
>In 3rd person games where players control a walking/running character, making a 180 degree turn should take 1 second or less, realism be damned
>in third person games with tight areas the camera should never zoom in on the playable character to compensate for lack of space. the camera should be allowed to phase through walls
>every 3d game should have some kind of photo mode
>In a 3rd person game, unless the game heavily involves shooting guns and other projectiles, do not use an over the shoulder camera (or at least give different camera options)

>>386635348
>don't give Dodge a cooldown

how fucking bad do you have to be to rely on spamming dodge constantly to win? Stop playing games you fucking suck at them.

Reading these threads makes me happy that people in them aren't actually devs

>>386637897
>the camera should be allowed to phase through walls
>See the black abyss surrounding the room you're currently in
>immersion ruined

>>386638016
>enemy attack
>dodge
>enemy attack again right after
>dodge on cool down
>i get hit and fall down
>dodge is up
>about to stand up
>enemy hit me again
>fall down
>about to stand up
>THE ENEMY DO IT AGAIN!
and will keep doing it until you die

>>386638735
name one game that does this

DON'T
>audiologs

FUCK NO
>devs can ban you

>DO
Not listen to /v/

Do add a different stepping sound effect for every single surface type in the game.
Don't underestimate the paramount importance of sound design and music.

>>386635348
DON'T
>merchant with exclusive items comes and leave at certain times (destiny/warframe)
>loading takes ages
>saving takes ages
>not telling me that the game doesn't have auto save
>loot boxes
>end game is a skinner box

DO
>menu frames are unlocked, and there are sound effects while moving in it and clicking have a different sound effect
>fast travel cost nothing
>multiple nameable markers on minimap each of them having different color

DON'T
>any type of one-shot ability in multiplayer games

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>>386637553
unless you wrote the definitive guide on tabletops and fantasy, i don't see how having a background of tabletop playing will help you anymore than having a background in other fantasy mediums

>>386638804
Kingdom Hearts

>>386639558
t. shitter that thinks the AWP is overpowered

>Do
Encourage creativity
>Don't
Force it upon players.

DON'T
>make open world games. ever. Open world is a shitty meme that everyone's sick of seeing. If you want us to explore something, give us multiple kind of big areas - that are stil linear.
>DON'T put a HUB of any kind within those areas, let the player just find a way through and be done with it.
>DON'T add any collectibles into the area
>DON'T add side-quests if they don't affect the main quest in any way
>DON'T add any kind of crafting system

>>386639558
this, seige is fucking terrible

Don't:
>multiplayer if an AI could do the job

do:

>lots of player agency
>cool TECHNOLOGY shit and other attention to detail
>higher difficulties mean loot exclusive to high difficulties and better loot in general (terraria rocked that shit)
>PLEASE have fast travel as an option if you're going to have a big open world with fuckall in it except for one or two important hubs on each end of the map
>let players pause cutscenes
>customization fucking EVERYWHERE, laziness is literally the only reason not to let players tailor all sorts of stuff, lock it behind beating the game or collectibles but come on at least have it there

dont

>tedious filler bullshit like the fallout 4 minutemen generated quests
>shitty gimmick enemies/weapons that take all but 1 of your health or some dumb shit (hl2 poison headcrab is an exception as it was done pretty well)
>stuff like fast travel and weapon customization locked behind shit mid-game for no reason
>photo mode for cool screenshots without using the console (only dragons dogma had this for dumb fucking reason)
>higher difficulties make enemies bullet sponges while the player takes ridiculous damage
>micro transactions at all, no loot boxes or crates or skins or supply drops or ANY of that dumb shit, nobody should have to pay more money in a game they already fucking bought
>DLC is full of shit that should have been in the base game (looking at you civ)
>DLC with one really cool feature and a bunch of dumb filler garbage so that people have to pay full price for the one cool thing (looking at you ck2)
>crafting just so you can say crafting is in the game
>base building just so you can say base building is in the game
>voiced protagonists in a goddamn rpg what the fuck bethesda
>annoying repetitive music anywhere (especially menus or shop screens)

Do
>AI that knows a bit more than it should, to make up for its shortcomings. For example, tracking player even out of sight for few seconds to keep following the player who ran through a corridor.
Don't
>Overdesign a huge AI system that does the above more realistically, but much less predictably and more prone to breaking

>>386641806
AAA companies could easily make some bitchin' AI but consoles and poorfags ruin it for everyone because having big boy NPCs takes up tons of memory

>>386637137
>Nobody likes scouring every corner of the level.
Then... don't? They're optional for a reason. They don't affect you, autismo.

DON'T:
>female dev team
fucking don't do it

>>386641902
Neural networks aren't ready for vidya
Not until someone makes a framework specifically for vidya AI

>>386635348
DO:
>make it so when you get to the bottom of the menu, pressing down brings you back to the top
DON'T
>have the opposite of above

>Do
Press button to perform an attak animation, resolve colision, deal damage to enemy if it hit.

>Don't
Press button to play a movie where you hit the guy.

I'm looking at you, Jensen.

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>>386641986

>>386637897
>>386638723
Just switch to fixed camera when in enclosed space.
Or just do not feature enclosed space in a 3rd person game.
Or just use fixed camera most of the time to stay consistent.

DON'T ADD ESCORT MISSIONS

I WILL KILL YOU DEVS

FUCKING CATHERINE REEEEEEE

>>386635858
>>have any sort of weapon repair system
Dark Cloud 2 did it and was still a great game.
Plus it was done in some Fire Emblem (i think) games

>>386635348

DO
>Make your fastest characters in a team game do middle of the road damage to ensure and equal balance of the speedster's need to stick and move and his opponent's attempts to hit him, ensuring relatively extended fights and a feeling of fairness between both players

DON'T
>Make your fastest characters do damage on the higher end so the speedster can kill two people before anyone can react AND can also remain unable to be hit, making the fight unfair for most players/characters and inflating the speedster's ego by a factor of one thousand

>>386637396
>not wanting to explore every single nook and cranny of the world to find new and interesting stuff out of the beaten path that eventually leads to the golden ending of the game

>>386635858
In MMOs weapon/armour durability and repair is actually a good system to prevent economic inflation. Since you're always losing money to keep equipment maintained that money is being taken out of circulation, offsetting the money that's coming in from loot.

That shit can fuck off in single player games though.

>>386636889
>DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE
Unmarked collectibles hidden so far out of bounds you can only see them with a sniper rifle.

Do
>you remember dancing in september
Don't
>you forget about me

Dildon't
>put vibrators in a zombie apocalypse game

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>>386642406

>>386635348

Don't fps.

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>>386635348
Don't
>PUT MICROTRANSACTIONS IN A FUCKING SINGLEPLAYER GAME
Warnerbros you greedy, retarded fucks

>>386642086
name ONE game with a female dev-team that's also a success, ps: japanese shovelware weebgames don't count
whoops, might as well leave the thread, you can't

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>>386642620

>>386635858
>have any sort of weapon repair system
>have weapon durability

Jagged Alliance 2 is the only game that got this shit right.

DO:
>If the game is about momentum, speed, flying, driving, whatever, provide a massive open area to fuck around and have fun or zone out moving around

Thank you, Gravity Rush 1&2, GTA series, etc.

DON'T:
>Relinquish me of camera control. Prompt me to look somewhere, give me a button to snap to it, but don't take over for me. That shit deditates my wam

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>>386640176
>Encourage creativity

I'LL FUCKING CUT YOU

>>386635910
t. Chicken with his head shot off

>>386635704
What if the gameplay's already finished before they've spent half of their budget? You can't improve something just by throwing more money/resources at it.

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>>386643297
>you can't improve something just by doing exactly what it takes to improve something

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>>386642620
>PLEASE list [thing]
>Except for those specific [thing] they don't count
>Haha he couldn't meet my very specific arbitrary rules, I win!

Consider suicide.

>>386643546
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/Too+many+cooks

>>386642363
Man, fuck Coffee Stain for going full meme money with Goat Simulator instead of making Sanctum 3.

Dear Sony. Don't
>Make an interactive movie when it's supposed to be a video game
>Ever implement quick time events

DO
>Include optional bots with a variety of skill levels to play with in your multiplayer game
>Provide support for your multiplayer game and listen to your community for feedback
>Encourage mods and fan creations for your game

DON'T
>Make a multiplayer game without bots
>Force your game to only function when connected to the internet
>Split your community with DLC content

>>386635348
DONT
>anything minecraft does
DO
>everything terraria does
>except fishing quests

>>386646035
>>anything minecraft does
Allow for modders to make it Factorio: 3D edition on steroids?
>>everything terraria does
Even limiting itself to 2D?

Don't get me wrong, i love Terraria as much as the next guy but a big, fat, modded MC game is still unrivaled if you want to make a giant factory and stuff.

>>386639728
>playing CS
lmao at ur lyfe. also it's not that one shots are OP it's that they're completely unfun to play against.

>barrels must explode
Borderlands 2 have arguably best barrel explosions
>whenever using large lift, something must attack you
>1st boss is alone, 2nd boss is tagteam of 2 minibosses, 3rd boss have 2 forms, no exceptions
>do not under any circumstances include gays and anything that is not straight white people
>soundtrack should be eurobeat or as close to Hotline Miami as it can
>open world is cancer

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DO
>include cute and sexy female characters

DON'T
>forget to make them the focus of your marketing campaign

>386646750
>>do not under any circumstances include gays and anything that is not straight white people
hello /pol/

>>386639723
Thats just not true

>>386647016
hello /v/
games were better when matter of sexual orientation or ethnicity was not relevant at all, and devs focused on making good, fun game

>386647119
GTA:SA has a black protagonist, it's still one of the best games so far.
AND it's open world, would you look at that?

>>386646035
DONT
>have the terrible, terrible sound design of terraria

>>386647119
>hurr durr sexuality and race is irrelevant
>but under no circumstance is any character allowed to be anything but a white dude, the whole game must be a sausagefest of white guys who act straight on the outside

>>386638804
Tales of androgyny

>>386635858
>gun gets weaker the more it is used
What about gun jamming with need for manual reload? Is it acceptable?

>>386635348
>>Invisible walls
How else are you to prevent players from going out of bounds?

>>386647607
visible walls

Do:
>leave an optional weapon not needed for 100% to RNG
Don't:
>leave a story progression item to RNG

Don't
>meme features just for the sake of having them (RPG style progression,open world,etcetera) in a game that would do better without
>Inherit old features or items from previous games just because it was in the previous game despite them not adding anything to this game (think Assassin's Creed 3 and the clusterfuck of how many weapons and tools you had but never used)

>>386647527
I'll never understand how fighting in that game works.

>>386637553
That surprisingly makes sense

>>386639697
I assume he means that TTRPG players would tend to have a more intimate understanding of shit that drives players up the wall and what makes them more invested in the game, as well as few things that sound like a good idea but are fucking abysmal in practise (like Monty Hall loot).

The problem lies with if their experience was with people like Luke, plagueson of Nurgle.

>>386648635
Or BBB

>>386635348
DONT
>cut out what all together made the original game great to focus on only one aspect of the game in the sequels, like the personality of a character or one game mechanic.
FRANK IS BACK

>>386642326
Caring about economies in MMOs is retarded an is proof enough the game fails in everyway besides being an economic simulator. Try playing an MMO that's about gameplay instead of some (((sandbox))).

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>>386647506
it is not irrelevant, red dit migrant
but focusing on gay romance options make game less enjoyable because less real content is developed
and your not replying stuff is pathetic and childish
also, your comment is gay, probably because you are a faggot

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>>386635348
Limiting time spent in the menu should be a priority. I hate RPGs that have you managing an inventory screen every minute, or not being able to quickly switch to an item. Pic related is also the best system, providing there's a button to automatically fit items in the most efficient manner.