I think people are overstating Sonic Mania's significance

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I'm still waiting for Sonic to have its Super Mario 64/Ocarina of Time moment.

>>386590176
So Crash Bandicoot?

Isn't this essentially Modern Sonic level design?

>>386590176
I think it is too late for that to happen.

I don't really care, I just want fun games.

>>386589954
Not every game has to be about "innovating"

You can't just have a good game and be fine with that?

>>386590774
It doesn't need to, but it also won't be this magical game that makes Sonic great again the way N-Sane Trilogy or Breath of the Wild or Doom did.

>>386590948
So what? All it needs to be is a good game.

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>>386590239
Yes and when Sonic is running toward the screen from being chased it's not like Crash but like The Lion King game for SNES & Genesis.

>>386589954
The only sonic game i own are the megadrive one and adventure 2.
I don't give a fuck just buy the good games.

>>386591038
Not to the fans who keep making generals.

>>386591048
So...modern Sonic....?

>>386591145
>So...modern Sonic....?
Yes, that's what I was referring to, Anon.

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>>386590176
What else do you want from a 3D Sonic game? You can't do much without either slowing down the gameplay or keeping the speed but making levels essentially play themselves.

And fans would complain either way.

I am not saying the game is going to be bad at all, I am saying that I don't think SEGA or the devs have any plans to change things up in the future, and the fans seem to hate change until they want it.

We are going to end up in a scenario where fans begin questioning how good Classic Sonic was when the real problem is just that they have become overdosed with titles.

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>>386591249
Something where momentum matters and speed is earned, where the player has to think to get to places they want to go and doubly so if they want to do it fluidly. No automation.

>>386591653
Sonic Mania is not a great argument.
All it shows is that an open world Sonic game would be ideal.

If they bring back Taxman and whoever else for sequels I doubt it's be the same thing all over again. They seem to have the self-awareness that modern Sonic Team lacks to make something like Sonic Mania anyway. That's why everything they put out ranges between mediocre and ok, because you can't tell me Colors or Generations were so mindblowingly good that they'll be remembered as classics like the Genesis era.

Mania reads like a reintroduction, I'm
sure those guys have enough ideas to carry at least one sequel.

>>386591791
I think they do, hence why most of these retro revivals last for one more sequel before they get tired or cancelled.

>>386591653
I wonder why Sega themselves never tried an open world Sonic. Sonic doing basic platforming in 3D is not ideal. But they wanted to follow behind Nintendo so much trying to match SM64 that they created some slow glitchfest games that were only fast in certain sections. And I can't stand the boost to win games. Reminds me of faster endless runners.

>>386591989
An open world Sonic game would actually be a great way to build on the Adventure formula.
Not to mention they could bring back other playable characters and work them in without it feeling forced or unfun.

>>386590948
I don't see what your point is. N-Sane is just a remake so it's even less innovative than Mania will be.

>The devs behind this aren't going to take risks, this will get stale.


Agreed. Also add Sonic Generations to that list with Forces REUSING Green Hill Zone.

I will think differently if Sonic Mania 2 is entirely composed of new zones.

>>386590948
>N-Sane Trilogy
Literally just a re-release.
This is shit tier bait.

>>386591249
First we need to make fans realize that Sonic is actually about momentum and physics and not GOTTA GO LE FAST XD meme.

>>386592261
I am not saying that Mania won't have a good sequel, I am saying that I don't believe it will continue to have good sequels.

>>386591653

Reviews would complain about Sonic Utopia too. 3D and speed is cancer to them.

I wish people would just accept what we already have and stop trying to win the approval of some fucking losers who review video games for a living.

>>386592568
Does it need to? Who fucking cares?

>>386592568

Nah, I think even the sequel will get in trouble if it's too much of the same.

People want new zones. The devs of this game were forced to include Green Hill Zone by SEGA.

I wonder if these devs have the balls to argue to SEGA why the next Mania (if there even if a next Mania) should be an entirely new Sonic game with original zones? Unlikely because they're lowly indies.

>>386592825
Even if they did get a sequel with entirely new zones it won't last.

>>386589954
>I think people are overstating Sonic Mania's significance on the franchise.

Really what kinds of things are people saying?

>This will work for two installments before it loses all of its charm (or gets cancelled)

Literally no one is saying they can just keep making sonic mania forever

You made this up and decided it was important enough for its own thread when we have mania threads 24/7. Take your shit there. Actually just don't post at all.

>>386592918
Why does it need to last?

>>386589954
Stealth and Taxman are geniuses, I'd put money down they can get AT LEAST a trilogy of fantastic games out before it begins to get stale.

>>386593056
>Sonic is finally sticking to a formula that works
>Sonic has been saved
>We will finally have a consistent stream of good Sonic games

>>386593072
Because then Sonic will go right back to where he was before mania.

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>>386592670
>3D and speed is cancer to them

>>386593308
Brilliant. Make 3D Sonic like Tribes Ascend.

These 2 games are a fair comparison.

>>386593191
>Sonic is finally sticking to a formula that works
>Sonic has been saved
>We will finally have a consistent stream of good Sonic games

Mania is going back to a formula that works and has saved sonic for the time being. And "consistent stream of good sonic games" does not come with the stipulation that these are all mania-style sequels that don't much and that we're going to get bored of it. Again, literally no one is anticipating Mania 3,4,5, 6 and so on. If anything they want the fan studios to re-attempt 3D sonic.

>>386593743
Going back to is not sticking.

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>>386593476
That's actually a great idea. Just make the scale a little smaller and fiddle with acceleration and whatnot...
Hey look, it works.

>>386593849
So what? Those are your words. I haven't heard anyone anticipate indefinite classic sonic games.

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>>386592392
Again you guys are missing the significance. Its not about what you think, its about what the sales numbers say. And Crash Bandicoot has been destroying it in the best way possible. 5th week at number 1 in the UK.
So until looking at cynics on 4chan of all places suddenly becomes viable for selling games, I don't think your opinions matter lol.

>>386593959

I like Sonic Utopia but I'm telling you this will get bad reviews because reviewers will not be used to the controls. You even said they're upped the acceleration in Utopia compared to Tribes Ascend.

>>386594151
What exactly are you basing this on in regards to 3D platformers? Are you just butthurt they rightfully bash Sonic Team's games?

>>386591653
Okay that run cycle kind of looks like silly, like two red ribbons being spun rapidly in a figure-eight motion.

>>386594531
>like two red ribbons being spun rapidly in a figure-eight motion.

You're so new it hurts. Just hang out a while before posting.

>>386589954
That's the point. SEGA constantly feel the need to 'reinvent' Sonic. They're always adding a new 'gimmick' that ends up ruining the game. This is the first game in a long time to play it safe and it works.

After this, I expect them to make a Mania 2 with all new stages but after that? Who knows. Personally, I'd like Taxman to try a classic sonic game in a 3D environment, similar to Sonic Jam.

>>386594114
But what are you saying N-Sane is doing differently than Mania that you are predicting it will end up being more successful? Your initial point was about innovation but N-Sane is just a remake.

>>386590176
It did, to an extent. It was called Sonic Adventure. The problem was, Sega decided that didn't work and scrapped the format entirely for the boost formula.

>>386594531
Yeah it looks like shit. There's a reason the only classic game that used it was CD and then was promptly forgotten.

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>>386595401
I really can't blame them for ditching it. You can't exactly tweak Sonic Adventure into being good. It would require massive reworking.

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This is the first and only game I've ever preordered.

How will they butcher it?

>>386596080
Awful game. Never could stand it.

>>386596080
Gamecube and HD ports are notoriously broken. Dreamcast version wasn't nearly as buggy. Also Adventure with a proper physics engine would work fine.

Just about every official 3D Sonic game can be boiled down to "I think this could work, if only they did this instead"

It's been an endless cycle of missed potential, to the point to where the idea that Sonic could work in 3D is little more than a myth. Even awesome fan projects like Sonic Utopia or Green Hill Paradise act 2 miss the mark in some way. I don't think it's impossible, just really difficult and almost not worth it.

>>386596080
>Fix the camera logic or just make the courses have fixed cameras period
>Make sonic less twitchy and add in some rudimentary physics/momentum to avoid relying on boosters and railroading springs
There. Done. The formula now works.

>>386596384
You have to buy the season pass to get the final ending. Also Shadow boss fight at the end.

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Please help me quit being a faggot. I'm a fan of the first 3 games, not Sonic CD. And this autistic run feels like an injection of the modern Sonic. Like they couldn't just make classic Sonic. They had to throw in one little piece of autism.

>GOTTA GO FAST
>ehehehehe
>hands behind my BACK!
>to GAIN SPEED!
>GOTTA GO FAST!
>runs down the hallway in 5th grade with hands behind back to gain speed

>>386598480
You're acting like a bitch.
Sonic CD was great and it's fine even if hands forward is better.

>>386589954
>Implying NSMB was anything like the original games

It literally just stole models from Mario 64 DS

>>386598480
You're not a faggot, you're autistic.

>>386598480
It's from CD, you moron.

>>386595401
>The problem was, Sega decided that didn't work and scrapped the format entirely for the boost formula.
It's not that the Adventure formula "didn't work", Sonic Team just wanted to make something new after developing five games featuring said formula and decided on using the mach speed section from 06 as a base.

It's similar to what they did after Generations. They got tired of making levels that had to be several miles long to compensate for Sonic's speed, so they dumped the boost formula and tried something new with Lost World. They only decided to go back to the boost formula after Lost World flopped and needed a safe game help Sonic's reputation, which is why we're getting Generations 2. I mean Forces.

>>386599717
More like Colors 2. Fucking disgusting level design and wisps.

>>386599875
The Wisps aren't even being implemented like in Colors aside from the ones that filled your boost meter.

But yeah, the level design looks like it's going to suck.

>>386596080
1. Make Sonic slower or less slippery

2. Fix dodgy collision

3. Make levels slightly wider or larger to compensate sonic's speed

4. ???

5. Profit

>>386589954

Sonic Mania is most comparable to Megaman 9. Rayman Origins and NSMB were throwbacks in that they went back to the 2D style but they still used their own physics engines and aesthetic choices.

Sonic Mania takes everything old and makes something new. It's a true Sonic 4. In the way that Megaman 9 took everything old and made it as new as it could.

Sonic Mania looks like a 10/10 to me.

>>386590948
One of these is not like the others

>>386595242
And it will fail.

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>>386598480
lol

>>386601173
I guess it is less faggoty now that its old and faggoty. Good point Anon.

>>386600586
And then it got stale with Mega Man 10

>>386601939
That's because they used all their good ideas in 9 and 10 was rushed.

Mania has the benefit of being able to go full-original in a sequel.

I think falling damage would actually be great for a 3D Sonic.
It allows devs to make more forgiving level design without it being too easy.

>>386590176
Play Sonic Utopia.. If I were Sega I'd just go ahead and license that thing.

>>386604948
It is only one stage.

>>386596080
The game is buggy sure, but whoever made this is ever bad or pretending to be retarded

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>>386589954
"Innovation" is such an overrated buzzword. 'DIZ GAME WONT BE GOOD IF IT DOESNT INNOVATE"
Fuck off with that. I've played dozens of games that don't innovate in the slightest, yet still are lots of fun to play depending on how good the game is executed. If a game is fun to play, I will enjoy it. I don't give two shits about how unique or "Innovative" it is.

Besides, "Innovation" is a total shitstain on the Sonic franchise. Every "Innovative" thing Sonic Team did, from Warehogs, swords, motion controls, tacked on parkour and unnecessary alternate gameplay styles like the Adventure games had only cemented the series further into mediocrity to awfulness. Ever since they dropped the gimmicks, the newer Sonic games have achieved a much better critical reception.

Innovation is always welcome, but it shouldn't be forced on to a game just for the sake of innovating. It's a very bad idea. Look at how Star Fox Zero ended up as when Miyamoto wanted to shit all over it with his "Innovative" ideas.

>>386605598
Why? Just because he's not a speedrunner with muscle memory on how you're supposed to compensate for bad controls and camera?

>>386591653
>>386593959
Would it have been possible for Saturn or Dreamcast hardware to be able to handle physics and gameplay like this?

>>386606320
Not him, but you're just fucking shit at the game and playing the crappy DX port

>>386606869
Okay. Explain the Dreamcast version controlling just as bad.

>>386607061

It doesn't

>>386607169
I have a Dreamcast, you know.

>>386606137
The Sonic Advance series built on the classic Sonic formula.

>>386607298

me too.

We have reached an impasse.

nintendo should make a throwback game. it would somewhat make me look at them in a better light. $20 max

>>386589954
I just want it to succeed so Nintendo and their DMCAs can get BTFO.

>>386608231
They did, like 6 times. They all sucked.

>>386608231
>nintendo should make a throwback game.
Nigger where have you been

>>386590948
none of those did anything new though. is this bait?

>>386594151
>listening to reviewers
>the people who can't even play games

Maybe just make a good game and let people play it, the less we cater to "journalists" the better.