Were they right, /v/? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii9 y

That's why I hate Spec Ops The Line

>>386583205
"but the generic gameplay was also commentary about the generic war games"

How I hate to hear this argument.

>>386582714
Yes, they are completely right.

>>386582714
Pretty much.

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>>386582714

nani the fuck is wrong with her stomach?

It's more of a Sony thing. All of their exclusives are in the same style.

>>386582714

>POP
>pew pew pew
>POP
>pew pew pew

GTA V combat in a nutshell

>>386582714
he's right.

>>386582714
They're half right. He's right about the fact that a long of young devs out there want to develop games purely for the sake of the story and think about gameplay as an afterthought. But the reason why it's always third-person shooters is just because it's whats popular and what's easy, so storyfags want to use that because it's what they like. They can beat it with minimal effort and experience the story.

Side-blog:
>Working at Target awhile back
>Found the ONE other guy in the entire store that knew anything about games
>"Yeah, my favorite games are Dragon's Age"
>"I'm going to school to learn programming so I can make this game about a story I have in my head of generic fantasy RPG based on my D&D sessions"
>"God Hand? Dark Souls? Uh, they're kinda bad in my opinion. The characters and story aren't all that great."
And this is how anon learned that all storyfags are casual morons who need to get out of this hobby.

>>386582714
They're right about the third person shooters they talk about and the ones focused on the story but there is a load of fun third person shooters like Splatoon. They're generalizing third person shooters as all cover shooter games.

They are pretty stupid and uninformed but they have their moments.

>>386584383
I think splatoon does not enter in this category.
it's a multiplayer game, not a story focused shit moviegame.

>>386582714
the face is cute but her skin is really shitty and old, look at that disgusting belly

>>386584068
>This is how anon judged a ton of people based on the opinion of one person
Tell me more.

There is a good way to do third person shooters, but they're right that developers have been using it as a crutch to put at little work into designing an actual game as possible and a lot of them, especially from the time that video was made, are made as "cinematic experiences"

>>386584576
The single player still counts for something since it is fun its own way even if it isn't focused on it and they weren't talking about story oriented games, they were talking about third person shooters in general.

>>386584601
You like children huh?

>>386582714
The guy's 100% right, though his voice sounds like a eunuch.

Also, who's the slut?

>>386582714
If people didn't buy them they wouldn't exist.

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>>386582714
Not in the current year, no.

>>386584842
He only mentioned singleplayer moviegames.

>>386584383
I don't think their point was that third person shooters are all bad, more that people are using third person shooters to put as little thought into the game aspect of the game as possible. They're especially and specifically talking about cover based TPS games. One of Rich's favorite games of all time is Vanquished so I highly doubt he's making the argument that there's no good way to do one.

>>386582714
I agree with what he says in that video, but it made me wonder. Could you make this same argument about games with turn based battles?

>>386585128
There is a reason why they faded out of popularity and were turned into action RPGs to stay relevant.

>>386584678
Alright.

>That one time my coworker confided into me that he thought Bioshock Infinite was a genius work of art and didn't understand the hate for it.
>The one time when I was at an FLGS talking with the monkey behind the counter about games, only to find out that he preferred story-based games to other games like Dark Souls literally because it was too hard for him, and he didn't like it when a game made him feel bad. Which is why when he DMs, he makes sure that no player ever dies unless "They're really asking for it" (read: never)
>All of my coworkers that thought MGSV was going to be good because it continued the "amazing story".
>All of the student workers from my old college that thought putting in better game design to make the game more interesting would be a mistake because it would get in the way of the story, so they kept the grinding bits of their games.

>>386583590
It's called having a cute tummy. It needs your cummy.

>>386585348
Sounds like the monkey likes point and click adventure games.

>>386584958
i said look at the deformed belly and rough skin, i didn't complain about boobs, are you a retard?

>>386585128
Not at all.
There are wonderful and shit turn based combat systems (smt press turn, chrono trigger) and the same goes for non turn based rpg's.

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>>386585128
Of fucking course.

>we have this cool idea about thieves infiltrating people's minds to steal their deepest, most personal treasure as a means of changing their personality
>uh huh, so what' the gameplay?
>oh, I dunno. A turn based RPG I suppose?

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>>386582714
>watching the other other guy and the other other other guy talk about video games

It really depends
Gears is a cover based shooter that relies on Wall Jumping and blindfiring
RE4-6 are shooters, but with no health regen, so you have to stay on your toes and not get hit
Max Payne has bullet time
Splatoon is a fucking ink shooter about cover the most terrain
Vanquish is all over the wall crazy.
GTA5 is pretty much a generic TPS, but has so much shit in terms of missions variety, vehicles and other shit that it balance out
These are really good TPS that have very distinct gameplay differences.
The main issues with most TPS are that the gameplay does nothing to add to make itself different from other games. Uncharted and TLOU gameplay are so fucking identical they could be part of the same series. (But to be fair, just show the kind of Hacks ND are)

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>>386582714
There's nothing wrong with modern third person shooters.

Also, that girl is a 5/10 at best, her breasts are too big and since she's an asian she probably doesn't have ass.

>>386585594
Oh he didn't. Point and Click adventure games actually put obstacles in your way. He preferred open world RPGs of course. In there, if something is hard, you can fuck off in another direction and/or grind until the challenge goes away.

>>386585832
Kill yourself nigger

>>386583205
Also why I hate TLoU.

>>386585832
>posts an uggo who just happens to have a Worldstar whore-tier ass
You're barred from expressing your opinion on women from here on.

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>>386585832
t.brainlet niggerlover

>>386585832
Her ass is probably lumpy as fuck.

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Both Uncharted and TLOU both had pretty great multiplayer completely over shadowed because journalists are worthless and also possibly goblin creatures.
I don't know why we're apparently supposed to pretend that multiplayer is a bad thing when a good chunk of single player games are just 6 hour long hallway simulators.
And even when a game has good single player they're ignored because they aren't said 6 hour long hallway simulators. I don't even know how these pricks decide whats considered "Smart" in games when most of the philosophies are juvenile as fuck.

>>386584068

>They're half right
>Proceeds to make their exact argument

That makes them fully right in your opinion, why did you even post

>>386586468
Their argument was that they picked third person shooter because it was easy to develop and missed a key aspect of the real reason being that they are immense casuals, which I posted.

>>386586249
Because there are better multiplayer experiences out there?

>>386582714
His voice is annoying, but I agree with him.

>>386582714
That guys voice is nauseating

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>>386586668
yeah, I know there are. But at the same time I can't really pretend that the Man-girl road trip story is super good just because girl cries in that one scene. Especially if the universe itself is just a set piece for man-girl road trip.

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>when the casual RLMfag thinks two Sony games represent an entire genre

>>386583325
It gets some hate for its gameplay but how else are you supposed to have a military shooter be?

The game cant be too off the walls or its themes cant be executed. Walker cant be double jumping over cover and melee comboing guys to death while tanking tons of bullets.

>>386582714
I like his voice.

>>386587512
They never said it did. One of Rich's all time favorite games is Vanquished.

>>386583325
It was a reasonable premise done very heavy-handedly and altogether was and is still way too damn expensive for something so simple.

>>386582714
he's basically right. are there good 3rd person shooters? a couple but the vast majority of them are trash. and he's right about modern games putting gameplay as an afterthought. having the core of the game be a familiar shooter is an easy bottom feeding strategy. besides all the criticism about covers and auto health regen are obviously correct.
clearly most people who are offended by his remarks will be tlou fanboys.

>>386585682

It's a persona game. what the hell were you expecting?

>>386587772
Vanquish.
Lost Planet
Splatoon

>>386582714
Doesn't really apply to Splatoon. Movement is the msot imporant thing in that game, and its anything but slow.

>>386587893
It is kinda slow.

>>386587969
t. shitter

>>386587969
high level splatoon is fucking fast, nigger.

>>386588075
The speed is fine within the context of the game, but the movement is pretty slow. Especially when shooting. I don't know what player skill has to do with anything.

>>386582714
She could look a lot better by hitting the gym and watching what she eats just a bit.

I don't like FPS and 3rd person shooters but Vanquish is fucking awesome.

>>386582714
No, you can definitely make an interesting 3rd person shooter.

The first half of the video is right, but then they toss out the genre as a whole when the logical conclusion of what they've just said is:
>modern devs too often put the story before the gameplay.


It's always a TPS because TPS is a genre that serves storyfaggotry well. Think about a story driven FPS - outside of cutscenes, you never see your player character, they're just a disembodied voice at best. In a TPS, you always see the player character, which is important for these games which are poorly-written and demand that the player character be a defined and scripted protagonist.

>>386582714
You can do this with literally any genre, what a retarded generalization

>>386589312
But he showcases that it wouldn't work in a fps.
TPS gameplay is easy to make because you just have to throw some enemies with simple ai in an area with chest high walls.

>>386583590

Nothing?

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>>386585832

The only one of those that seemed like a complete afterthought in the combat department was Quantum Break. Giraffe's of Us doesn't even have regenerating health. I like third person shooters, Vanquish and Max Payne 3 are easily two of my favorite games from last gen.

>>386587772
As much hate as Gears gets it's almost entirely gameplay, and is about as competitive as a console shooter could possibly be.

>>386587772
The vast majority of fpses are trash as well though.

>>386589560
It's not flat, that's a problem.

Tried goog, who she?

>>386582714
What is she thinking about?

>>386582714
Why is she so fucking fat? I thought Azns were skinny?

>>386589712
Really? You think the gameplay in the order wasn't and after thought? The developer literally admitted that much in talking about the game.
"It's a game, we make games, we can't get around it."

>>386590345
White man's cock

>>386590345
Latino MAN's cock.

>>386583205
Wrong example dude

>>386582714
Too bad this faggots don't want to talk about Max Payne 3 and Vanquish; both pinnacle of third person shooters in the west and in the east.

>>386592574
Rich Evans constantly talks about Vanquish. All the fucking time.

>not hitomi or anri

>>386585682
ADHD.

>>386594492
Yes but who is she?

>>386582714
Who is this fat slut and can I see her naked?

>>386595320
>>386595640
Kaho Shibuya

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>>386596101
Aw yiss. Bless ya Anon.

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>>386596101
thank you, good sir

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Who /100cm/ here?

>>386585682
Every game in the SMT series is a turn based RPG outside of like three games (if you count Jack Bros.)

>>386597390
Raidou 1 and 2, Jack Bros, does catherine count?

>>386597769
If Jack Bros does then yeah.

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>>386582714
How the fuck do you manage to be so wrong about a subject that you base your work around?

>>386585832

>Posting chimp "women".

Neck yourself, monkey.

>>386585832
>that girl is a 5/10 at best
>posts a bad example

>>386582714
Idontknow. 3rd person shooter?

>>386582714
this pose should trend on social media

>>386597260
what?

>>386585348
>Which is why when he DMs, he makes sure that no player ever dies unless "They're really asking for it"
Depends on the system but if you ever played tabletop you'd know lots of people play it like that. Tabletop games are a lot different from videogames where people don't enjoy putting in years of time into a character to have "rocks fall everyone dies". And instead give character second chances to avoid dying over a simple mistake in favor of bigger mistakes.

>(read: never)
Implications. Depends on GM and System. In Eclipse phase you might very likely die repeatedly. In Dresden Files the system usually won't "let" you die in favor of making your life more miserable instead.

>>386584068
>implying storyfags don't love dark souls games for "muhh lore"

>>386582714

Resident Evil 4 was a mistake. I mean, it's a damn good game but it was still a mistake.

>>386599041
Zelda's a similar case, where most of the games have pretty simple stories but muh deepest lorefags talk about it nonstop.

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>>386582714
They`re just playing third person shooters wrong.

>>386599385

Is Peach Beach Splash a good third person shooter, Snek?

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>>386585832

>>386587759
also highly overrated

i guess people are just easily entertained with shit so heavy-handed it's basically telling you what to feel/think (spec ops, last of us, lis)

>>386585128
Turn-based combat in RPGs to me always felt like a solution to a problem that no longer exists. It's fine if you have limited hardware (e.g. '80s computers that sucked at everything but text or pre-GBA handhelds) but unless you're a tactical strategy thing it's a waste.

This is very VERY close to the fucking truth.

Very Safe.
Very Easy.

Over and over and over.

Cover is there because you don't have to put medipacks on stages (which requires proper game design and thought)
Almost everything in these games is very low effort shlock.

Fuck last gen for the HORDE of these things it produced.

>>386585832
>Breasts
>Too big
Silence fool.

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>>386600000
>00000

>>386600000
CZECH'D

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>>386600000
god damn

>>386582714
>his fucking voice
he sounds like that dude on it's always sunny

>>386582714

These idiots are not even worth listening to. For anything. They're so fucking wrong about everything.

I don't see why he's shitting on Uncharted though. Uncharted did TPS well before everyone started doing it. It and Gears of War pretty much started the RE4-like cover shooter trend.

>>386601103
Fucking frauds

Rich Evans is oddly right about a lot of things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVYLN37A-2c

>>386600000
Quads confirm it, Persona 5 is trash.

>>386582714
Kaho-chan it is then

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>>386590345

They're half right. Uncharted is the baseline example where TLOU is the other trope. One being a survival TPS and the other being an action TPS. Games like TLOUS, Dead Space, and The Evil Within fall under survival TPS where you have light resource mangement or trap elements whereas games like uncharted, tomb raider, and quantum break are action TPS. I am referring to the latest installments of all of these but the distinction should be made between the two. That being said, it is definitely the easy way out of the developer's lack of talent and makes the success of the game usually dependent on its art direction or story.

>>386582714
> cynically reducing a mechanic to a mocking description

That (((works))) for any thing.

> "Hey, you are a small child attempting to reunite with your dead mother in Ghostland, but you are not a ghost... I'm a puzzle-platformer. So layzy"
> "Hey, I am a super-soldier gifted with telekinesis on a warpath against the government scientist who betrayed me... I am a first-person shooter. Durr der der pointy shootinat things. Sooo dumb."
> "I am an alcoholic Native American soirit healer on a vision quest to redeem my destroyed tribe in a the post apocalypse... I am a rogue-like rpg. LAME."
> "Blind woman learns to see, but only after hearing voices of memories as she traverses her home... walking simulator. Been there."
> "Alien invasion from the alien's point of view.... turn-based tactical strategy game. Sooooo cliche."
> "Mongolian invasion set durring the height of the Silk Road... squad based action-adventure set on horse back. C'mon Silicon Valley give me something new. Hahah"

It's not like games haven't gone with lazy trends before. Back in the day, everything was a platformer. Third person shooters have much less inventiveness in level design though.

>>386582714
As opposed to a first person shooter or platformers? Which is waaay worse of a culprit,

>>386582714
Those tits are wayyyyy too big, she needs a breast reduction surgery ASAP, hasn't she heard?

Modern men no longer desire big breasts

>>386602049
And I'm done

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>>386602023
>quads
>5 zeros

>>386602720
The issue is all those examples have inherently different mechanics. Yes you can break it down that way but saying something is a puzzle thing leaves a lot to the imagination. Is it tetris? Is it Jonathan Blow puzzles? Is it Ghost Trick? All third person shooters play shockingly similarly.

>>386602867
I would say she needs to lose weight first, but I forgot modern men like fat, I mean "thicc," women.

>>386582714
Yes they were right, the only people who disagree were Sonybros last gen. If you didn't go from Wii to 360 to PC + PS3 last gen you did it completely wrong.

>>386603284
>Sonybros
When did Son)yggers get censored? I haven't been here in so long.

>>386603376
Sonybro got censored?

>>386603576
Well fuck me. Sony crybabies ruined another component of /v/. Bros my ass they shit up every thread they post in.

>>386603576
I don't have the energy

>>386582714
What else would it be? A first person shooter? A walking sim? Tell tale games? Puzzle Platformer?

Xbot. Nintentoddler. If these aren't censored than a mod has bias towards sony and that's awful.

>>386603659
it started with nint)oddler you cuck

>>386602270

This is better than those sissy BBC things.

>>386585016
You mean the game that is way better when forced into first person? Also, you missed the point.

>>386603039
>/ctt/ fag
I agree with you, but kys.