>CDPR's quests set a new standard for story-based,

>>386570690
Does anyone even care about Witcher 3 anymore? Seems like there's no fanbase at all for a game that sold so much.

>>386570690
>The game tells you explicitely that there is an orc that you must kill to progress further
>It's not the right thing to do
>Have to talk to every tard in town to find out the real way to do it

20/20

>>386570853
you dont need a circlejerk because everyone shares the exact same opinion, that its the GOAT

You are aware that most of the quests in TW3 can be done without using map markers? All the infos you need to find quest objective can be gathered from NPC dialogue, notice boards, etc. That's also the reason why markers can be turned off altogether...

>>386570991
I've seen Witcher 3 circlejerks. It usually consists of 2-3 CDPR shills going on what a perfect game it is while there are a hundred posters criticizing its shit gameplay.

>>386570942
I didn't read. "You must kill this orc and get his weapon to progress."

>>386571082
More like 2-3 shitposters complaining

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>>386571000
Yeah bro just turn off cheat vision you can beat the game with-

>>386570942
IT never asks you to kill an orc. Guy Just asks you to get an orkish weapon.

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>>386570690
oh, it's you again.

the one bad thing about the Gothic example is needing to talk to every fucking person to find the right couple of people who actually have relevant dialogue. right there you're breaking your immersion by talking to people who just repeat dialogue from earlier because they have nothing relevant to say
a good middle ground would be to have some sort of marker on the people who have new dialogue or dialogue that's relevant to the quest you're on. it wouldn't have to show up on the map so you'd still have to walk near them. don't know how to do it without it ending up being the mmo exclamation point over the head, but I'm sure someone could figure it out

Never played Gothic 2, should I give it a shot?

>>386571235
That was patched ages ago.

>>386570690
>germans vs polacks again

>>386571462
Definately. Start 1st one though.

>>386571535
Post proof

Fact of the matter is that the game is designed from a basic level to accomodate for cheat eye and other cancerous methods. You can say "turn off everything" but the game was never really designed around that and the game simply isn't fun to play like that, just very clunky.

Meanwhile a game like Gothic is designed from the ground up to be like that which is why it's more satisfying.

>>386571275
Okay this angers me too becasue people are fucking picking sides over two games that are fucking great. They're both fucking great games with their own strengths and Witcher would not even be here without Gothic as it's one of The Witchers big inspirations.

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>this guy is still shitposting about Witcher 3
At this point it just looks like he's butthurt that the game was so successful.

>>386571462
Definitely. One of the best RPG's of the 2000's. OP's a retarded faggot though and the Witcher 3 is still really good.

>>386570690
Is this guy just some retarded Gothic dev that hates The Witcher for being better than his game?

Can we all talk about the underappreciated Gothic 4? I quite liked it for it's MMO-like gameplay. They somehow even made grinding a fun thing to look forward to.

>>386571637
>>386571905
Alright. Worth buying or dead devs and publisher getting the money?

>>386570690
Do I need to play Gothic I before II?

>>386572019
Anon, no... it's so bad that when Phyrana bytes got Gothic's rights back they made it non-canon. hell Gothic 3 was kind of shitty too compared to Gothic 1 and 2.

>>386571870
Is that your final Dandy?

>>386572107

do it. its just as good just smaller
also gothic 2 is more fun if you recognize all the bro-tier npcs from the first game

>>386572075
Worth a buy, they're like 10 dollars now and Phyrana bytes and the original devs still have the rights to it so they would get the money. Or pirate it, they're the kind of devs who wouldn't care if someone pirated their old games.

>>386571989
>gothic devs have had nothing better to do for 15 years than to lurk video game forums and shit on every other rpg

The reliance on waypoint markers is a valid criticism of almost all rpgs since oblivion desu.

>>386572075
Also there's a a deal for all 3 for 20 bucks on steam but 3 is kinda shitty and you need to buy the package to get the 1st one on Steam. I would just buy 1 and 2 on GOG and skip 3.

What is it with Gothic that makes this fag so insecure that he has to shitpost about the Witcher every fucking day?

>>386572393
How did Phyrana Bites falls so far? Gothic 1 and 2 were amazing then 3 and the Risen series were just so lackluster. Elex looks like it might be good though.

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>>386570690
CDPR used to be good, they were literally /ourguys/. Witcher 1 was similar in depth to Gothic.
Then it all went to liquid shit with Witcher 2 and exceedingly worse with that casual pleb trash that is Witcher 3.

>>386572648
I think he is extremely autistic, like barneyfag. He cannot fathom other people having different opinions, and constantly tries to change their minds. For all intensive purposes, I think he should stop doing this. For his health.

do you guys agree that the balance in the later acts of gothic 2 NOTR is completely fucked and almost ruins the game

>>386570942
So if someone in real life tells you "hey get me a drink by the fridge, and by the way if you need to know where the fridge is I paved this patch of my apartment that leads to my fridge with broken glass, you can walk on it to find your way to the fridge" you would just walk straight through the glass to the fridge?

You wouldn't, perhaps, walk next to the glass, and then get your friend the drink without getting tetanus?

>>386570853
I just reinstalled it lol

>>386571306
>walk past someone/look at an NPC's eyes (sorta like eye contact)
>something pops up on your screen "you hear the guard brag about killing an orc near the wall"

>>386571306
Morrowind does it pretty well, with almost anyone in the area you're in being able to direct you to someone that might know more about either who you're supposed to talk to or what you need.

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>>386571905
>OP's a retarded faggot though and the Witcher 3 is still really good.

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>>386571306
>GIVE ME MARKERS I'M LITERALLY RETARDED REEEEEEEEEE

>>386572932
>/ourguys/

wut

>>386575368
It's kino

I like wticher 3 because of the graphics.

Thats it really.

Some colorful enbs and toussaint and goddamn its pretty

>>386575996
A movie theater in german?

>>386576236
Ja

>>386570690
>A quest is supposed to be challenging, that's what makes it good!

What kind of retard actually believes this? Even in your example from gothic (if you consider that shit good), the difficulty had nothing to do with it.

Also, how are you proving yourself if all you do is find a dead orc and take his weapon? nice job big hero man!

>>386577818
>Also, how are you proving yourself if all you do is find a dead orc and take his weapon? nice job big hero man!

That's kind of the point you dumbass

>>386578281
I'm not bashing the game for giving you different ways to finish a quest. But how is it difficult to talk to people and walk to a cave to find a dead orc with a weapon? What happened to your thesis of "What makes a quest good is the challenge"?

The challenge was to talk to a dude and walk to a cave, it's barely a step above a fucking walking simulator. You could even find this solution before even trying to fucking fight an orc.

>>386578720

I'm not the "What makes a quest good is the challenge"-guy.

At the early point of the game where you get the quest it is extremely difficult to bring down an orc (although not impossible). The blacksmith is asking you to do something nearly impossible to prove yourself and that's why you need to find an alternative way to get the weapon.

>>386579340

Exactly, the great thing in this particular quest in Gothic II is not the "difficulty" but rather the fact that they take something as standard as a "kill, get item, return"-quest and force you to think outside of that box as the enemy still is out of your league.

This discussion of difficulty aside they're two pretty different games and they're honestly both really good at their own thing so yeh

>>386579340
That's fine, and I appreciate that there are different ways to finish that quest (even some that actually include fighting a damn orc). But the OP posted an image with a clear thesis at the beginning, and it's some dumb shit.

I have my own share of problems and dislikes with the witcher 3 and its quests. However, a lack of difficulty or challenge is not the problem.

I'm tired of these kiddies making statements like "what makes X good is Y, therefore all these games without Y are SHIT". It's even worse when that statement is not even relevant to the example given.