>Play spacechem a year ago and finish it >Take a course

>>386542235
Spacechem was used as a teaching tool in schools for a while says Wikipedia. What class was it?

>>386542324

I guess the translation would be strategic management of operations

I was kidnapped by aliens and forced to design ever more complex production facilities to make various pieces of equipment.

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Since we're talking about puzzle games already, did anyone else play this? It's so fucking good.

>>386542235
I played a ton of Papers Please for weeks. Conscription was around that time, there was a bureaucracy test. Mostly spotting typing errors and eriting stuff down quickly. Did far better than everyone else, hundreds of people, made no mistakes and finished ahead of time.

I mean if anything Runescape taught me how to type as a kid.

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>>386542849
Fuck you, cook more sausages

>>386542324
Ladder controls anon

>>386542849
>>386543762
Fuck off Jonathan

>>386542626
I like this post

>>386543639
>only kid in class that knew what a pestle and mortar was

>>386544056
Who the fuck is Jonathan?

>>386544248
Jonathan Blow constantly goes on about that shitty game being the pinnacle of puzzle games

>>386544056
>low IQ faggot can't play a real puzzle game

>>386544304
Ah right.

Based on the ones I've played he's correct. A damn sight better than any of his at the least.

>>386544329
Its inferior to infinfactory.

>>386544379
Which ones have you played?
And i dont see it honestly, complexity != tedium, which is all that game is.

>>386542849
it's a shame there's no mobile port of this. i'd happily pay $10 for it.

>>386544393
>comparing apples to oranges
Thanks for proving your low IQ.

>>386544528
Literally how are the different besides IF having much more mechanics and actually being about a puzzle and not just shitty controls.

Any TIS or Shenzhen players here?
I finished TIS but have only played the solitaire in shenzhen

>>386544528
>tfw 130 IQ (tested by an actual psychiatrist IRL) and can't enjoy puzzle games

Am I a stealth brainlet? I for the life of me can't enjoy puzzle games no matter how hard I try.

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>>386544683
>Literally how are the different
Haha oh wow, so you didn't actually know what you were talking about hahaha. Truly low IQ

>>386544454
Most of them I guess, the ones that have come recommended or got good reviews anyway.

And assuming you're >>386544393 too, Zachtronics make a whole different sort of puzzle game compared to the traditional approach of something like SSR. Both are fine with me, I can understand why someone might like one and not care for the other though.

Infinfactory is the easiest Zachtronics game btw you fucking casual.

>>386544925
Youve still yet to tell me why I cant compare the two.

>>386544869
>Am I a stealth brainlet?
Not really. You could be the high IQ type who doesn't enjoy using his intelligence on recreational ( subjectively pointless) activities and instinctually realizes that to him these are a waste of time, and at best, a distraction.

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>>386542235
I have experienced the exact same thing with a game from the same developer.

Shenzhen I/O. Is exactly the same as my Electronics Engineering uni course. Except that in Shenzhen I/O you have to do some basic assembly while most Electronics Engineering projects just use a software that does most of the coding for you.

I fucking love his games because they always give you some industry insight ans a bit of a leg-up compared to your peers.

>>386545089
He could be, but considering the context that seems unlikely.

>>386544835
I played both it but im kinda stuck on the last few levels of Shenzhen. i spent most of the time in solitaire too
Got really frustrated after a while because i often times got really nice solutions but the space is just not enough.
I hope zachtronic's next game will be just as good as their previous ones

>have a master in chemical engineering with several highly difficult courses
>still don't really understand this game
Sure, I should probably have played it for more than an hour, but still.

>>386545058
Pictures are worth thousands of words. Oh sorry, did you want me to spoonfeed you? LUL

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>puzzle has a timer
please stop me brain cant think good fast

>>386545272
It has (almost) nothing to do with chemical engineering.

>>386545315
Sign of poor puzzle I reckon, the great ones require a good long think and maybe even sleeping on it.

>>386545315
Psst. Just restart the level when you're about to run out of time. ;)

>>386545089
The type of games I like require fast thinking and reflexes, I like solving complex situations like winning a 1v3 duel in Quake in FFA and other similar stuff mostly in FPS games.

For me puzzle games feel like a chore, and I don't feel any satisfaction from solving the puzzle.

>>386545259
How much more fun is shenzhen? The main reason why I haven't played the main game yet is that I don't really feel like plowing through another manual so quickly.
Still, even if I don't ever get to the main game, I have a solid 10 hours in the solitaire so far. It's pretty addictive.

>>386545485
Well it looks like you just prefer to apply your intelligence differently, then.

>>386545485
youd probably like mobas, specifically assault in Smite because its random gods on both sides so you may get a shit roll and have to work with what you have.

>>386545670
Maybe I haven't found the right puzzle game for me yet though, I would want to at least find one puzzle game I could enjoy.

>>386545727
just keep trying them all, old and new.

>>386545727
Maybe you won't. They're kind of the exact opposite of applying skill and knowledge at speed under pressure really.

>tfw love SpaceChem and Infinifactory but too much of a brainlet to fully complete either of them

>>386546081
The problem I have with SpaceChem is that I refuse to go to the next level unless i have the absolute most efficient solution for the problem. My fucking autism restricts me from finishing the game.

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>>386545727
This is a nice puzzle game I played in the past on the psx. Pictured is the multiplayer mode which, if I remembered correctly you could versus multiple AIs

>>386546081
Infinifactory isn't really hard, until the last level with the shipyard.

What's hard is working on the most efficient solution or building auxilary logical circuits.

>>386546172
That's the appeal of Spacechem though, right? Crafting that perfect solution is way more fun than cobbling together something that will just barely complete the level.

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I 100%d tis-100 and infinifactory without guides but I still don't know how to code or build factories

>>386546406
>>386546172
>Fill the screen with 5 reactors and countless pipes
>Barely clear the level
>Some maniac did it with one reactor

>>386544304
Can't imagine how autistic you'd have to be to assume anyone would get that reference.

>Devil dice
That game was the shit
I spent dozens of hours on it when I was a kid

>>386546172
I stopped doing that in Infinifactory when I realized I was experiencing diminishing returns with the amount of time I was spending versus how little the improvements were. It's stupid for me to waste more time than needed when I've "optimized" once or twice.

>>386546442
tis-100 is his worst game. Play Shenzhen I/O and you could make genuine microcontroller based electronics.

Play SpaceChem and you could understand the theory behind a lot of chemical reactions.

Play tis-100 and get a basic rudimentary understanding of assembly but not entirely because it's a shitty fake version simply based upon it.

You can see how 1 is different from the others. It's still a fun game though but I feel I didn't really learn anything from it aside from maybe some good logic puzzles that broaden your insight into coding.

>>386546568
Infinifactory is kind of clunky compared to SpaceChem I think, tweaking and optimising is much more of a chore just because of the basic mechanics of placing blocks in the level.

>>386546782
Thats true

Infinifactory is much easier than Spacechem.
If you run out of space in spacechem you're fucked, but in Infinifactory you can just move your product up on the Z axis and keep working on it. Running out of space in Spacechem is almost never an issue.

Shenzhen I/O is artificial difficulty bullshit though. The board sizes are so small it's difficult to implement a solution you know will work at all. Especially in the 2nd campaign. TIS-100 is the better coding game of his IMHO

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Why don't you faggots play a real man's puzzle game?

https://youtu.be/0RgiXklIELk?t=1159

>>386546895
Yeah, the levels in Infinifactory are way more forgiving. I would have liked to see more restricted areas in it that you had to work around.

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>>386542235
Play Codex of Alchemical Engineering. It's the predecessor of Spacechem, it's free and it's fun.

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>>386542235
Always wanted to play it but brainlet status scared me from it

It's not heavy math and shit is it?

>>386546687
TIS-100 is my favorite game of his, and I fucking hated Shenzhen I/O. The board sizes are so small in the 2nd campaign that it's just fucking bullshit. Not to mention that TIS-100 had a JRO instruction, which meant all you had to do was tell another chip what line to jump to in the code and it would immediately run it. In Shenzhen you're forced to put test commands in every chip just to accomplish the same thing, which fills up the chips, forcing you to add more chips, and the board is quickly filled up and then you're fucked.

>>386546895
Shenzhen I/O is pretty realistic though. Electronic designs usually have a space requirement or circuit board size limitation where you could put those materials. I think he tried to emulate that with the limited spaces. The difference being of course that you don't have a couple of lines of code in one 4bit microcontroller

>>386546992
Oh, and in Infinifactory you don't have to worry nearly as much about timings.

>>386547093
No. Have you played Factorio?

>>386544869
>>386545089
>>386545485
What a ridiculous exchange. For one, being smart doesn't mean you like puzzles, nor does it even mean you're necessarily good at them. (Though lateral thinking challenges are a big part of IQ testing, so chances are you can do them fine). Plenty of dumb people who practice and try hard do well at puzzles, because they like to do them. Playing Quake is not an expression or exercise of high intelligence, and is by no means whatsoever a more engaging or productive use of one's facilities.

I tested well as a kid but never really took to puzzles until more recently, and that's only because I started to get bored with video games. Just cuz you're smart doesn't mean it's easy or fun to think in an organized, deliberate way, or to try and do something that's hard. You have to make an extra effort to enjoy slower pastimes if you are inured to the input and feedback and pace of video games.

In short, you are a brainlet regardless of your IQ if you can't, won't or hate to challenge your brain; and that's all on you, not your neurology.

>>386542235
Really liked this game, sadly didnt finish it.
The music is glorious and i still have it on my phone

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>>386545315
Hope you enjoy running through those trap rooms again every time you fail

>>386547351
no but I've played lots of dorf fort and ss13 if this is just an autism dedication thing

>>386547857
Not exactly, but it has that same sort of sandbox element of constructing something you get in Dwarf Fortress, the difference being you've got a specific goal in each level but still a large element of freedom in how you reach it.

>>386548072
oh fuck I didn't know it was only ten bucks

guess I'll just pick it up now

any beginner tips?

>>386548198
Not really, the early levels work as a tutorial to teach you the basics as you go along.

Playing Resistance & Liberation helped me understand history on a personal level
Age of Empires, Total War, and /gsg/ gave me an understanding of history as geopolitics

>>386548198
Can I ask where you found it for ten bucks?

>>386548346
And I should add, consider Infinifactory, it's similar but a fair bit easier to get into because the presentation is a lot more intuitive.

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>>386548385
Steam
Or just get a humble bundle key from g2a

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>>386548385
I was off by a buck but mind you this is Canadian steam and the mapledollar is weaker so US steam should have it for under 10

>not getting spacechem on a sale when its 99 cents
What the fuck friendos? It's 90% off every steam sale.

>>386548765
>>386548902
It's $20 on US Steam.

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>>386549031
And it's a fraction of that on g2a, just remember to turn off the shield.

>>386549031
Scratch that, I'm a retard, thought you meant Factorio.

>>386546687
spacechem has nothing to do with reactions, even before orgo you learn that they react only in 3d analogues that factor in bond angle

as other anons have said its something else

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Kerbal space program definitely helped me with Orbital Dynamics.

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>tfw brainlet
how the fuck were you supposed to solve this one?

>>386550783
Isnt that like the third or fourth one?
Infinifactory is pretty formulaic though.
The hard part is trial & erreing the timings of all the pieces.

>>386546687

In spacechem you learn systems management, not chemistry you brainlet

>>386550783
you could just have the bottom block push the welded block

like in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7YOW417ZLw

that's how I did it anyway

I learned how to type fast by playing mmos

being in a leadership role in a guild is uncomfortably similar to being somebody's manager

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Best music of any puzzle game desu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adIN3AYNEtM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCN3l8wc_-Y

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this game makes my brain hurt

>>386551530
parts of the resistance theme in Infinifactory remind me of the spacechem working theme

https://youtu.be/JEO6liMmdWY