>max athletics takes 42.6 hours of running >max acrobatics

I will be monitoring your bait thread in order to evaluate its performance.

>>386511918
>training

/thread

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>>386511918
because they are the most autistic losers on the planet.

>>386512083
I'm sincerely not baiting. I'm just wondering how the fuck they thought this was a good idea. Morrowind is a mess, but at least the training mechanic there was a clever way to reward exploration.

>>386511918
>genuinely caring about maxing out stats
I wouldn't be calling others autistic, anon.

>>386511918
>What is botting

do you HAVE to max stats to beat oblivion?

grinding is only meant to help skilless idiots get through the game, you don't have to do any of this and no one cares if you do. Really, no one gives a fuck. It's all in your head.

Why would you max anything in a playthrough? Also, skill trainers exist for a reason.

>>386511918
all things your not supposed to grind for, but get over time during your game
except running for that long I guess

Why even level up skills in oblivion?

>>386512752
Magic

>>386511918
if you fall further, your acrobatics increases faster. with restoration, i think if you heal more, your skill also increases faster. its a big rpg thats supposed to be played for a long time, why would they want you to be able to max the skills quickly?

I still think a hybrid skill/XP system would work best for TES. XP for kills, and your skills would rank up like they do now. In Oblivion you eventually hit a point where you just murder guards until you get enough of a bounty to drop a bunch of skills after your majors hit 100. Skyrim's leveling is a fucking mess after something hits 100.

>>386511918
>becoming a master in a skill takes time
>in an RPG
woah...

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>>386511918
>leveling up past 14
>shiggy

You are aware of how broken and shitty Oblivion's scaling is, right?

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>>386512752
I did it to trigger dopamine spikes in my brain and become a more powerful, technical character.

Just how truly fucked is Oblivion's leveling? I've seen guides that essentially advocate making your main skills the stuff you'll use the least to keep your level low and get the proper stat bonuses when you do level.

>>386515573
who cares it has tons of mods

>>386515573
Why in the fuck would you minmax in Oblivion?

>>386515703
It's that kind of attitude that lets Beth get away with shit.

>>386512271
>gif doesnt move after 0.5 seconds
>immediately close in panic
nah fuck that

>>386515841
So? It's a good thing that Bethesda focuses so much on providing modding tools. They're not just selling you the game, but I'm giving you the tools necessary to make the game act in the way YOU deem best.

>>386516006
Nonetheless, it's objectively not a good game if you have to install a dozen mods to get it in its proper state. You can fix what's broken, but it shouldn't be broken in the first place.

>>386516117
If it's not there, broken in the first place, it can't be fixed by any one, and therefore you get nothing. No enjoyment at all.

>>386515798
For the same reason you'd minmax Final Fantasy VIII

Strange the similarities the two games share in terms of gimping your total level to stay strong.

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>>386511918
Seems like you're the only one making a big deal out of maxing stats that aren't even required to be maxed.
Who is the autistic one again?

>>386516186
That's a fair point.

>implying you can't visit a master trainer

>>386516375
The game even lets you do a little quest to become worthy of being trained. Pure kino.

>>386516117
>>386515841
Do you think I give a fuck? The game is garbage so why wouldn't you improve it?

Besides the goofy bandits wearing daedric/glass armor, I didn't see too much wrong with scaled leveling pre main quest completion. It makes sense to me that Mehrune's servants become increasingly aggressive and deadly as more and more gates open up, so battling badass daedra and cults sounds fine to me.

>>386515573
At level 15 there's a spike in difficulty where new creatures spawn that absolutely destroy you if you don't minmax.

But at at level 40 (I think? It's been a while) is where it gets absurd. Every roadside bandit has the best weapons and armor in the game. Common enemies suddenly have so much health that a maxed out character with the best items can swing at it for several minutes before it finally dies. Quest rewards don't scale (hope you didn't do any important quests before hitting max level!) and you can't find better gear until it's so common it may as well be automatically added to your inventory the moment you level up.

>>386516467
>pure kino
Don't misuse kino like this you troglodyte

>>386515573
that just makes it easier to get the maximum stat bonus. you can get up to +5 in an attribute depending on how frequently you use one of the skills it governs before leveling up. if you can manage to level a skill 10 times before leveling up your character, you will gain +5. if you're not paying attention to this, you'll usually only gain +2 or +3 and eventually end up with a weaker character than you could have had.

>>386516484
Yeah but, at some point you get nothing BUT huge mythical rape monsters inhabiting the realm's roads, effortlessly killing any NPCs that are unfortunate enough to have schedules that tell them to visit other cities.
Plus, they are health sponge motherfuckers, even if you've been levelling yourself well and are using top notch weapons.
>>386516551
Kino is already an overused meaningless word. Like comfy.

Out of the probably 100 hours+ the average loser will play of this game, 42.6% of that time could easily be spent moving, especially if they're not playing stealth, inb4 stealth archer meme

jumping takes approx 2 seconds => out of the approximately 100+ hours the average virgin will play this game, they can jump 180,000 times, therefore less than 10% of their time needs to be spent jumping => very easily achievable. Even more so if jumping uphill.

>using phagic

Also these are requirements for MAXING out a skill, which obviously should require a higher caliber of autism.

>>386511918
>Murder beggar
>sleep & get blade of woe
>stock up on repair hammers
>Go to Shrine of peryite
>use blade of woe on the essential npc's that don't move, or fight back.
>Be level 1 with master blade, & considerable smithing

>>386512563
You can beat the game at level 1, with basic gear. In fact leveling at all makes the game harder. You can get max skill, end game gear, spells all at level 1.

I went into oblivion (and morrowind) completely blind after only hearing some rumors and these games play nothing like the retards that bought them say they do, and you can see exactly what the developers were trying to do when you play them yourself.

I never listened to movie reviews for this exact reason. Everyone's an idiot, and we're all different idiots from each other. None of our opinions will match.

How is that autistic? Jumping and running are probably the two most-performed actions in the game. I got 100 Acro just from playing normally.

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>no trophies on PS3
>can't justify playing it again

>want to replay oblivion
>don't want to appear playing Oblivion on my friend's list
how do I solve this conundrum

>>386517284
Minimum level is 2, dude.

>>386517309
Play offline

>>386517309
Can't solve being a gigantic faggot.

>>386517309

Just do it? Are you autistic? If you need an excuse, just "muh quests."

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>start of the game
>Sneak near a rat in the sewer.
>autorun into a corner
>go watch a movie
>Come back to maxxed sneak and level 20 ish.
>Leave the prologue a master ninja

>>386517378
What if I don't want to toggle my online/offline state every time I want to boot up Oblivion for autismal amounts of hours?
>>386517410
I guess you know from experience.

>>386512518
>botting in a single-player game

>>386517062
>max acrobatics
Why not just enchant some rings to give you 200+ acrobatics?

>>386517450
you can just leave your system on oblivion all day and night, so its very clear you just are not shutting it off

this helps in various situations

>>386517309
>>386517450
This is genuinely autistic. Seek help.

>>386517434
that would be retarded as fuck, you would have no combat skills and there would be minotaurs running around everywhere.

>>386517376
It's been awhile
>>386517521
Grinding is grinding

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>>386517531
>he's an enchantfag

>>386517179
Why not just steal a training weapon from the Orc trainer in the Fighter's Stronghold DLC? The training weapons do literally 0 damage per hit.

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>>386517595
>He didn't set sneak as a minor skill

>>386512752
You can perks every 25 levels in a skill. A bunch of them, particularly in Acrobatics, are pretty critical to your survival.

>>386517595
But they cant find you so its not a problem.

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>>386517675
>DLC

>>386517675
They can't die until you complete the quest, & blade of woe weighs 0 which means you can swing faster. If you're playing a "good" character what you said would work fine as well.

>>386517795
whats elpres doing these days

>>386517595
retarded console peasant get out

>>386517690
then how'd you get to level 20 nerdfaggot? minor skills don't level your character.

>>386517870
uploads nonsense every few hours

last video I saw him do he had a man come up to with a gun and pretend to be robbed in his basement, no reason

he doesn't ay games much, mostly insults celebs and sports dudes on twitter and he's been rescuing dozens of cats and building them shelter on his property. I watched a lot of the kitty videos.

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>>386511918
You don't have to max out everything what are you complaining about...

>>386511918
>I should get max stats with minimal effort
KYS

>>386517434
>Start of the game
>change those stats in the console
>play

Just saved you 2 hours

If you're just gonna exploit the game, why not just use console commands to set the stats you want?

>>386517901
>minor skills don't level your character.
I know
>then how'd you get to level 20 nerdfaggot?
You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. He didn't set sneak as a minor skill, that's why he's level 20. I was joking about it.

>playing an Elder Scroll game for more than 9 hours
A sure way to diagnose autism

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>>386518116
>cheating

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>>386518131
>console commands
>commands don't work on console

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>>386518230
>playing any Bethesda game on Console

>>386511918
>Maxing athletics
Why
>Maxing acrobatics
Why
>Maxing Restoration
Restore Health is really the only spell you need unless your class revolves around using restoration

>>386512271
>gif
>todd staring at you
yikes

>>386518364
>he doesn't have a spell that restores and fortifies health on touch to use on allied quest NPCs so they don't die

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>>386518230
>play Brown Bricks
>brick PC

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>>386518323
>playing any game on a console

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>>386517986
Wrong file.

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>>386511918
>there are people who actually enabled auto run for 2 days

Bethesda garbage is unplayable without mods.

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>>386518585
>playing any game

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>>386518524
>He doesn't enchant items to give him more health than he'll ever need

>>386517376
Why? Does something force you to level up along the way?

>>386517690
Then you wouldn't be level 20 since only major skills increase player level. Did you even play the game?

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>>386518698
>not being the game

>>386518524
Kek, that's such a pointless tactic since 99% of quest npcs can't die

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>>386518723
Martin requires a daedric artifact for the main quest. Minimum level required to earn one is 2, depending on the artifact you're going for, of course.

>>386518778
This >>386518136

>>386518832
I thought there was a way to get this without leveling but it involved glitches or something

>>386518805
There were actually quite a few escort quests, and the entirety of the main quest is full of NPC allies who can die like Baurus and Jauffre, and other little small characters.
Without a heal other spell, your allies are pure FUCKED and will die of attrition, unless you savescum. Unless waiting for one hour heals them too, it's been a while.

>>386511918

Heres an idea: (you dont need to max every stat)

>>386518908
Ahh yes the Mask of Clavicus Vile could be used to do this
No glitches necessary

>>386518978
What are you a casul?

I feel like the leveling system in TES games works okay for some things, but terribly for a lot of other things.

Like combat skills you just get exp for hitting things, okay. You can hit a lot of things, so that's fine, and generally you'll be going through dungeons or at least fighting things so you'll be hitting a lot of things to hit in a normal playthrough.
Speechcraft is a pain in the ass to level because most ways to increase it are so out of the way and cumbersome, and it hardly ever seems to be worth it because there aren't any notable situations in TES games that I can remember that can be simply solved through talking to some guy.

>>386512752
You get some special abilities every X levels. Most are useless, but some are great like decreased armor weight.

>>386518965
>Not being a save whore in a Bethesda game

>>386519169
I liked rolling, & water skipping

>people whining about the level scaling
There's literally the biggest difficulty slider of all time. Just wear whatever you want, level whatever you want, and crank that shit down. Or min max and crank it up. It doesn't fucking matter, no one is judging you.

>>386519108
in oblivion you can get speechcraft pretty high right from the start by persuading all the city folk.

>>386514994
>Skyrim's leveling is a fucking mess after something hits 100.

Legendary skills fixed that.

>>386511918
use mods dumbfuck, when people say oblivion is great they don't mean vanilla

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>>386519427
Some do.....some do

>>386519427
100% this, oblivion is the same shit as skyrim only remedable by mods

>>386518832
>>386518908
>>386518998

You can take the start the clavicus vile quest from one of his followers at level 1, then go kill umbra and exchange it for the mask to bypass the lvl 20 requirement

however because umbras wielder is not leveled to you, she starts at lvl 50 with ebony armour and the umbra sword, it's very hard if not impossible to kill her legit

>>386519284
Level scaling is only a problem mid game I feel where enemies start wearing glass/daedric while you're running around in steel/mythril or whatever.

However once you kill some NPCs and loot their end game armour, you come out ahead since they don't get good equips whereas you can enchant all your equips/items and make retarded potions.

Like just put some
>Weakness to fire + magic + shock + ice
>X fire + magic + shock + ice damage

On your weapon and watch as everyone melts after a few hits.

>>386519108
>speechcraft perks just make speechcraft easier
>master speechcraft perk is "bribes cost half as much" even though bribes are the "skip the speechcraft bullshit" button so it's fucking useless to you

>>386519498
i hope its the nostalgia

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>>386518789
>he thinks hes the game

>>386517450
Set Steam to not automatically login into Friends.

>>386511918
This can't be true. I can start a new character and max all of these in about 6 hours.

Any mods that make reading take place in real time, so I can listen to the rain fall, the fire crackle, and the people passing by?

>>386512365
The issue is also further compounded by how Oblivion handles attribute gains and level scaling. If anyone really wanted to min-max they'd pick major skills whose gains are more 'controllable', too.

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>>386511918

Wrong image, friend.

>>386519745
I chuckled, thanks anon. You have a great night

I have a hard time picturing anyone who wasn't 11-13 when oblivion was released to have nostalgia for the game, the game was only good for one playthrough back in the day.

>>386511918
You don't really need to 'level' them if you're playing vanilla. They level by themselves or you can simply use trainers.
Although, by jumping a lot and from higher places does level your acrobatics much faster which is great because with high enough numbers and some buffs you can literally jump over people, roofs and do some crazy shit.

Also, check this baby out http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Boots_of_Springheel_Jak_(Item)
You don't even need to level it that much just make sure to do the Thieves Guild questline if you're really want to have high acrobatics.

>>386519564
Yea I felt the game was super easy late game especially with magic. Guess it depends on your build.

I'm finally putting a substantial amount of time into Morrowind, and I am noticing that the game is easy as fuck to break later on. Admittedly I grinded up skills a little bit in the beginning so I would not miss so much/could take hits, but jesus I am a murdering machine with thousands of gold just by travelling and killing shit/daedra. Hell, I have barely even touched the side quests yet.

>>386521043
>playing morrowind multiplayer
>assassins out the ass, sell their shit
>get bajillions of drakes
>spend all joshes on training, get a couple 100s and up to level 30ish
>now there's two assassins appearing, both armed with daedric tantos and a billion HP
>they show up literally, figuratively, physically, and metaphysically every time I try to use a bed
>can't kill them without bound weapons because I didn't run around looking for OP loot and I didn't pick short blades to train up
>everyone else is around level 10 and can't hardly do anything to the assassins either
I feel bad for doing this

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>>386521043
It's part of the charm

>>386512267
No matter how right your post is, you can't /thread it.

>>386511918
Skyrim took a lot of shit out but two changes I agreed with were getting rid of athletics and acrobatics. Those two were kind of pointless skills that just made the games more of a chore

>>386511918
>talking how Oblivion is for autists because of skill progression
>not even mentioning Morrowind

Morrowind is a literal walking simulator.
Its worse specially because characters NEVER EVER fucking say exactly where you need to go, they just gives you directions.
Shit pissed me off because some caves entrances are really small and hard to find.

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>game has stats that are too hard for my peanut brain to manage and process
>bethesda removes them in the next installment

>game has skills to master but it takes time
>my autistic post 2000 fps shooter minecraft brain needs instant gratification or I shit myself

>>386523116
Grinding is not the same thing as mastery, dummy.

>>386515308
rekt

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>>386522489
I always thought those stats were exciting because for some reason when I was little I was convinced maxing acrobatics could make you survive using that scroll of icarian flight.

>>386520439
>>386522489
Yeah I actually liked acrobatics. It actually felt like my character was slowly getting stronger and faster and more agile. I was jumping up cliffs and on roofs and shit one day and it felt odd, so I loaded up a new character and realized I could only jump half the height. It was kind of eye opening.

>>386511918
I got max acrobatics and sneak by using PIP on my TV, and jumping around in some room where a dude slept for 22 in-game hours out of an in-game day. I just watched an hour or two of South Park, and it was done.

>>386519564
>enemies start wearing glass/daedric
>bandits in daedric demanding 100gold from you

>not a problem

>>386526124
>fight a beggar hobo and he pulls out a daedric axe then does the level 75 spin attack

>>386516006
Hi Todd

I'm a big fan of your work.

I have Skyrim on my PC, 360, Xbone and soon my Switch.

>>386519559
I find the best way is to buy the Apotheosis staff in the Market District. 99 damage.

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>>386511918
You don't need max stats to finish the game.
>max athletics
Also, if you run everywhere you'll overlevel, so it probably takes a bit longer to max athletics.
>max acrobatics
Bonuse - you can raise acrobatics by falling from high places. This is easy with spring heel boots. No, I won't delete that "e".
>max resto
>implying resto isn't a dump skill for will
Just heal after every scrap and bruise and you'll be a master in no time.

Honestly Op, it's like you never played the game. What gives?

Elder Scrolls is my favorite series but i've never played Daggerfall or Arena.

>>386511918
Buy the Black Cheydinhal Horse and a House and then you literally have no reason to buy anything else in the game so just spend any gold you get on trainers

>>386515175
>Not just putting the difficulty slider all the way down and enjoying the game

dumb weeb, enjoy your $60 entrance fee

>>386527427
Honestly if someone showed you Daggerfall without telling you the name you probably wouldn't even know it's TES unless you looked at the books

>>386512453
>Fail to optimize combat stats in Oblivion early
>Get to level 20
>Get raped by all the trolls that now fill the countryside
Good work Anon. You just engineered the single largest complaint on Gamefaqs back in 2006. You're as shit at game design and foresight as Bethesda was a decade ago.

>>386527427
I've been interested in playing through Arena and Daggerfall but I just can't see myself getting into them.

>>386512267
>Newfag thinks he can /thread himself

>>386528573
Do Daggerfall first, or probably just don't even bother with Arena since a lot of it is good ideas with terrible execution that was fixed later

Daggerfall you can actually look with the mouse and walk with WASD and once you get a horse the game becomes a lot more tolerable

>>386511918
open console commands, and win.
Fun game way way way back when but once you 100% it about 10 times, its time to stop.

>>386511918
No, they used to design games for people who liked playing games, not normies with attention span issues

Wait, so I could just pick Major Skills to be things I never use and then level up my Minor Skills to become a god, since nothing ever levels up but I have 100 in my skills of choice?

>>386511918
>maxing stats
That's not even something you need to do, just train the skills you want to use, big fucking deal.

>>386529037
Don't do this, no point in having 100 in Illusion if your Personality is 50

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>>386511918
>>386512365

Because they weren't part of an instant gratification generation like you.

>>386511918
because you weren't supposed to take that long to beat the game retard.

>>386518174
>implying that achieving the same goal in less time isn't just more sensible.

I never really used enchanting when I played Oblivion, do you need a certain build to fully abuse it? I want to do some crazy shit.

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>>386534120
i used to play with a rake enchanted with like 20 ele dmg of some kind and 100% reduced resist for 2 secs. worked well enough

>>386519559
>>386526683
I remembering luring her all the way to the imperial harbour and letting the imperial watch whittle her down

>>386519169

The unbreakable repair hammers you get from maxing out armoring is also pretty useful

>>386534329
repairing stuff above 100% is nice too