Can somebody explain to me how Lurkers are fair? They are literally

you need true sight or whatever they call it in starcraft.

>>386486781
observers and dragoons destroy them

siege tanks and scan/science vessels destroy them

>>386487018
But I was told not to make Dragoons vs Zerg?

>>386487109
It depends.
If you are protoss the usual openning vs Z is to rush to high templar since storm kills lurkers and hydras very effectively.
2 Storms kills a lurker. If lurkers are too close together, you can find multiple lurker kills.

If they have too much lurkers and not enough hydras, even just a few dragoons with range can annihilate sunken colonies and lurkers all day long.

>>386487109
You're just not supposed to open with them. You make Dragoons in all match-ups, they are one of the best units in the game.

>>386486781
You need at least 1v1 master to post in this thread.

>>386487109
Dragoons are good when you've already got storm and chargelots. They increase the flexibility and power of your deathball. Especially in siege potential and stopping mutalisks from sniping your templar.

>>386487505

I was GM in SC2 and B+ on iccup. Hype as shit for SCR, but I can't make up my mind what race I want to play. I kinda feel like going for Toss and just cheese people for maximum asshurt but on the other hand tryharding with Z or T would be fun too.

>>386487776
I think Zerg has better cheese/allins than Protoss.

>>386488123
>early pool, early pool or early pool
>meanwhile protoss has 1001 bullshit builds

Science Vessel.
Irradiate.
Also, you can dodge their attacks you know that right? You need to split your units up. If you put 12 marines on a hotkey and 1A into them, you're dead, spread them out and have a couple medics and they are dead.

>>386486903
Detection/Detector Some spells

>>386486781
???? Because in ZvT the Zerg don't have the tools to bust the Terran player. And in ZvP you use Lurkers in the mid-game I think? Not the best at Brood War. Lurkers die instantly when you target then. Git gud with detectors. Lurkers are expensive and killing off a few early really fucks the Zerg player up

>>386486781
>not using air units to wipe them out before you bring in your land units
full
fucking
retard

>>386490147
Well if you're Terran you have Wraiths and they're paper airplanes. If you're Zerg you have Mutas but ZvZ doesn't usually include Lurkers. If you're Toss............???????? Carriers and Battlecruisers are endgame units and by then Lurkers are the least of your worries. At least that's my understanding. Science Vessels are great for clutch Lurker removal. Tanks can work. Goons work. Psionic Storm works. Marines can even work if you're good. Brood War gives you answers

>>386486781

Generally in SC, every faction has great semi-broken units. Alone, Lurkers seem broken. But they can be soft-countered easily.

The Defiler seems broken, but it's soft countered by Science vessels and irradiate.

It's all broken vs broken and in the end it all evens out.

If there is one thing I hate about SC it's the fucking elitism. I was top Plat in SC2, which was better than like 85% of players at the time. In every other game that would have been a respectable position, but no, not in Starcraft. In Starcraft you need to be a 300+ APM turbonerd who's at least in the top 1% to even have the right to have an opinion on something otherwise you just suck at the game and don't know shit about anything.

>>386486781
Just like widow mines are in 2

>>386491085
There's nothing wrong with having high standards.