Remind me, why do people hate this game again? It's different

>scripted dog fight mode shit

>>386481051
I can admit that DFM is a very casualized and unwelcome addition to the game.

But can it be said that it's entirely optional? From my experience with the game so far, it's perfectly viable to shoot down planes without using it, although it makes things a lot easier. Is the game designed in such a way that using DFM is mandatory?

>>386481334
>But can it be said that it's entirely optional
No it can't, because it's not optional.

>>386481334
>Is the game designed in such a way that using DFM is mandatory?
Yes. You'll see soon enough.

>>386481334
some planes are invincible and can only be killed with it

>>386481334
>But can it be said that it's entirely optional?
No.

>>386480509
>>386481334
Fuck off, any game that decides to not only add an incredibly intrusive but also mandatory element of DFM deserves to be bashed.
Remember how they let mooks eat up dozens of missiles during DFM segments until they reach a certain point of their clearly on rails rollarcoaster ride and THEN decides to die for 'cinematic points'
AC:AH was an awful game that squandered whatever potential it had, and is a gigantic black stain on the AC franchise

Can we at least agree that it did *some* things right?

>>386480509
This game was ATROCIOUS.

Campaign was like 5 hours long.
DFM single-handedly ruined the game and you had to use it.
Online was terrible due to DFM.

It would have been SO EASY to make this a good game and instead they decided to hit themselves in the nuts with a hammer. I was so disappointed.

>>386483435
No.
>>386483284
>and is a gigantic black stain on the AC franchise
This. Here's to hoping AC7 revitalizes this amazing franchise.

>>386483435
The music was good, wasn't it? It's one of the few AC OSTs I haven't listened too extensively so I can't remember.

>>386480509
The greatest argument against DFM, and AH as a whole is simply to compare the final duel in AC0 and AH.
In Zero, you engage in a 3 stage duel culminating in an aerial joust that directly references the joust between King Arthur and Morgan, all in the normal gameplay
In AH you have to stop a really evil Russian man from doing a really evil thing with a really evil nuke in full DFM cenematic "glory" AKA watching him do like 15 cobra maneuvers.

>>386483435
Like WHAT? It did NOTHING right, any aspects that did work was because it likely reused things from AC6

>>386483435
>hey man do you want some of this sandwich
>sure, what's in it
>bacon, lettuce, tomato, cheese, mayonnaise, and dog shit
>uhhh what? no thanks, that's a horrible sandwich, why would anyone want that
>ok but can we at least agree this sandwich did do some things right?

Never played an Ace Combat game before, which should I start with? I hear 5 is the best

>>386483435

I guess the steel carnage thing looked cool for a few minutes.

>final boss shoots missiles backwards
>recently found out this is a real thing, and the SU-34/35 has a backward facing radar for this

>>386483714
4, 5 and Zero, in that order.
Then you can play 2, 6 or 3 (JP w/ fan translation) if you still want more

>>386483714
Play 4, then 4, then 0.

All very good games, beloved by all.

Then make up your own mind on which is best.

Personally, I rate them 5 > 4 > 0, but a lot of people would not agree.

Not very easy to emulate, tho.

>>386483559
Well from what I can see from the e3 demo and what people have said about it it sounds like this is the game we've been waiting for for a decade.

>>386483898
Shit, mean to say 4, then 5, then 0.

>>386483949
in case anyone hasn't seen it:

https://youtu.be/yDU-mXi1MK0

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>>386483898
>Play 4, then 4

Should I erase my save files when playing again?

>>386483559
>This. Here's to hoping AC7 revitalizes this amazing franchise.

I expect they'll add another really cool thing, and they forget about it when making the next game. Seems to be a Project ACES staple.

>>386483714
Everyone rates 4, 5 and 0 highly for good reason, they're all very good games, pick any of those. You can emulate them pretty well these days if your computer is okay.
If you play 3, play the JP version of it because it has like 3 more endings and a lot of missions and story that got cut from the localizations, there's a fan translation patch out there you can use.
6 is my personal favorite but it gets a bad rap because the story is bad and it's only available on the 360 despite every AC game before it being on Playstation. It's also not on the Xbox Live store or whatever, so you can't buy a digital copy. Physical or bust.
There's X and Joint Assault on the PSP, Assault Horizon Legacy which is a remake of 2, and Air Combat. Just don't play Assault Horizon. And Infinity is dead I think.

>>386483714
As other anons have said, play the PS2 games in release order. Then look at an emulated AC3 (the awesome nip version, not the shitty us one), AC6 (though good luck playing it without a360), and ACX.
Oh and this is one of those series where everyone has a different opinion on which is best. I personally think the list is Zero>4>5 but many would disagree.
It's really just a matter of personal taste

>>386483664
Fair point.

>>386483582
Well, admittedly, in Zero you have to stop a really evil Belkan man from doing a really evil thing with a really evil nuke, either.
I mean, I get the gameplay difference, and Zero's boss fight is done way better, but Pixy's "le no borders terrorist" shtick is hardly any less cliche than le evil Russian man.

>>386484154
No, play SP mode.

>>386483898

Beta version of pcsx2 works. You gotta get 1.5.0 off an archive somewhere. Emulates great with the right settings.

>>386483714
4 then 5 then zero,all 3 of them are excellent games, everyone has its own favorite, zero is for me

>>386484687
Yeah, might be, but I'm too much of a casual to use non-stable builds, so I'm still sitting in my 1.4.0. safe space.
Already finished these games, the ground texture issues were tolerable, and the rest emulated perfectly.
Best of luck to the other guy, tho. Hope he gets it running.

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>played AC6
>get hype for AC7
>dust off my ancient PS2 and stick a HDD in it finally
>get it all set up and install AC 4,5 0
>can't actually play any of them because it turns out analogue composite into a modern HDTV is blurry as fuck

>>386484149
HOLY SHIT.

T E C H N O L O G Y

>>386484971
You can get component cables for ps2 iirc

>>386480509
I only hate this:
> Dogfight mode
> Mandatory dogfight mode for some enemies.
> Regenerative health (I know you can get rid of this in the highest difficulty setting but it's still ridiculous)

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>>386484382
>>386484803
Why Zero?
It's a great game, but it felt very underwhelming after 4 and 5.
>soundtrack isn't very memorable
>short campaign
>straight-forward missions of "destroy objects", no interesting gimmicks
>basically three characters, none of them developed much
>Pixy's motives are just silly, and there's hardly any bonding between him and Cipher to warrant ant emotional response from whatever Pixy does later in the game
>redundant morality system which does very little apart from artificially prolonging the gametime by forcing you to play the game thrice to see all content
The one thing it did well was the increased focus on enemy ace squadrons, those were tense, challenging and done well. Would have like to have them play a larger role in the story itself, and not just serve as boss enemies.

>>386485413
>soundtrack isn't very memorable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80XAJKqRU9k

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>>386485230
The only good ones are the first-party PS3 cables and they run $60-$100

>all this sudden hate on zero
>when /v/ rate it as 0 > 4 > 5
you guys are all borders

I played Ace Combat 4 last year and was shocked by the story. The narrationn was outstanding, reminded me a lot of Waltz with Bashir

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Reminder that this is a copypasta from Acepedia. its just bait

now post pixy

>>386485413
the sountrack is awesome, for me at least, the aces squadrons were hype as fuck, the 169 aces and their stories, no gimmick missions, the morgan is pure sex, and i found pixy a better wingman and a better partner than the wingmen in 5, the nukes mission was hyped, anton kupchenko, and the 1vs1 fight against pixy, i've never had so many chills in my whole life, those on top of my mind, the radio conversation was really good too

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>>386485971
Base your accusations right now!

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>>386485868
I felt sad when Lalah Sune died.

>>386485745
I mean it looks like they can go as low as 5 bux, might as well try some of the knock off ones. I bought the cable I have over a decade ago and I doubt it was first party. The only problem with it is the jaggies but that's a given considering the resolution.

>>386486245
RIP Yellow 4

Her fault she went up with her plane in disrepair.

>>386486245
F.

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>>386483435
Music, that's it, and it was a given being an Ace Combat game
>>386483664
FOOD ANALOGY
But fucking hell, it works

>>386486387
It's not her fault if the Resistance kept fucking up ever piece of armament

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>>386486245
>>386486387
It was a complete victory for the good guys!

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>>386486245
>that hairbun version
ace combat certainly has some underrated qts

>>386486615
IT'S HER FUCKING FAULT SHE WASN'T NICE TO THE BARKEEP'S DAUGHTER

>>386486747
THIS FEMALE SPECIMEN
IS VERY ATTRACTIVE

>>386484149
I seriously can't fucking wait for AC7 this shit looks so good

>>386486747
Hime a cute
Her eyes look weird from that angle tho

>>386486767
WELL MAYBE IF THAT SLUT OF A 12 YEARS OLD STOPPED THINKING WITH HER VAGINA

>>386486742
MAH BOI SKYEYE

If someone mentions that piece of shit Oka Nieba, I'm going to stab you.

Ace Combat 7 related shit:
I like several names floated in AC7 thus far.
- Arsenal Bird sounds sick as fuck and continues the series tradition of giant fuck-you birds
- Brownie is cute, also hotblooded
- What is the name of our squadron? The gameplay videos say "Mage Squadron" but I also hear the team saying the Tree Strikes won't let you down (and our aircraft have the 3 strikes on them)
- I could've sworn there was an OSEAN squadron called Mage Squadron. There was also Sorceror Squadron as well.

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>>386486980
The pitfalls of pseudo-stylized 3D models.
>>386486881
>those 4k textures
muh d i c k

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>>386484149
>the technology

>>386487120
Literally just looks like a real picture they fucking nailed it

>>386482829
Worse, some planes are invincible in it until certain cinematic bullshit happens or dialogue finishes.

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>>386484149
Might have to buy a PSVR just for this

>>386486980
They're reaching the limits of anime+realistic model model design. You can't really have anime eyes AND a realistically modeled face and proportions without shit looking weird.

>>386485413
I'm going to go on a limb and say that you probably like AC5 the best. Allow me to address each point:
>soundtrack isn't very memorable
No
>short campaign
Only slightly shorter than AC4 and notably harder. Definitely shorter than AC5
>straight-forward missions of "destroy objects", no interesting gimmicks
Those are the missions that I like, and while gimmick missions are okay once in awhile for variety, it's not great like a 1/3 to 1/2 of the game is gimmicks
>basically three characters, none of them developed much
Compared to what exactly? The two characters of AC4 or the 5 characters of AC5
>Pixy's motives are just silly, and there's hardly any bonding between him and Cipher to warrant ant emotional response from whatever Pixy does later in the game
His motives aren't silly, though his plan is. Also the same could be said of the worship that the rest of Bulldog/Razgriz have to Blaze. Comes with the territory of a silent protagonist
>redundant morality system which does very little apart from artificially prolonging the gametime by forcing you to play the game thrice to see all content
You could argue that the morality system changes the context of encounters as well as content from a story perspective. Also AC games are meant for replayability so I don't see how a mechanic that encourages it is bad.

Really the thing about Zero's story is that it's less of a straightforward plot with characters and more like some kind of mythological epic. That just so happens to still have people around who remember what happened.

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>>386487120
I cannot wait for the PC version. Why?

TO TURN THE UGLY AS FUCK CHROMATIC ABBERATION OFF. It's ruining all these beautiful birds with this ugly, blurry, miscolored horseshit.

Also, because 4K textures + 4k resolution + 60fps (or more, hopefully) is going to be glorious.

>>386483435
Color customization, unless it was in AC6. Shame they enabled it only after you beat the game.

Also when will I be able to play AC6 outside of 360? I swear, I don't want to buy 360 just for one game.

>>386487258
Fair points and a quality post.
Thank you for your input, I found it worth considering.

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>>386487275
Goddamn, that is some serious throwback shit right there. Wow.

>>386487471
>Also when will I be able to play AC6 outside of 360?
Make enough blood sacrifices and maybe Bamco will pull a ToV and port it somewhere else.

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>>386487390
I didn't really notice the chromatic aberration much in the gameplay videos. Perhaps its just a screenshot release thing.

>>386487471
>I swear, I don't want to buy 360 just for one game

They're like $15 at the thrift shop m8

Just watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFr5SxHxACg

>>386487547
And the game itself?

>>386487543
Once you know what to look for, it's impossible to unsee. Every time I look at the cockpit view it's fucking all over everything, and in third person it's creating ugly fringes on every edge of the aircraft. It even makes the clouds look worse.

I don't mind CA as an effect after getting hit in the fucking head, but it has to be brief and fleeting. Otherwise it just ruins image quality. It's this generation's bump mapping/lens flare.

>>386483898
>zero is the lowest
Flyin' with all those opinions swimming in your head is gonna get you killed

>>386487723
$10-$15 unless you're getting scalped

I also found the AC6 flight stick for $15

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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT3oSctZbcU&t=196s
Kobayashi does it again.

>>386487976
I really hope they decide to aim for 60 fps, these games deserve it.

>>386488065
it will be Only on PC

>>386483435
Did the game have flares? I don't remember

OK, I'm going to bed now.

Thanks for a nice thread, buddies.

>>386488338
Yeah, it did.

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>>386488167
I'm okay with this. Goddamn, this game looks so good (in every way). I love that plane modding is back.

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>>386488868
Oh yeah, forgot about that.
Time to make ridiculously lopsided builds.
Infinity might've been pure shit, but building a dakkaMiG-21 with the MGP and multiple gun damage buff parts was hilarious.

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« HYPE »

>>386489049
Ugh, had it not been so grindy I would've loved Infinity for the huge amounts of fanservice + fun builds you could make.

I still remember assholes fucking carent bombing Moby Dick for easy S rank scores.

>>386480509
Literally the only good part of this game right here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY9NO4GQJRk

>>386489291
Apparently that's not even a Su-37, it's a Su-30M or something. I bet we're going to see the Mig-29M in this game too.

>>386489302
It also had the largest roster of planes of any Ace Combat game ever.

Still not enough to make me actually want to play it again, I just don't have the tolerance for grindy games that I used to.

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>>386489049
>>386489302
I really cant see the hate towards infinity as anything else than hate coming from people that didnt really play it.
sure all the f2p/p2w/clubbing bullcrap bogs it down but it still was a really damn fun entry for real cheap.

>>386489549
>Still not enough to make me actually want to play it again
I seriously doubt there are any people left to play even a round anymore

>>386488420
Well that's one thing I guess

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>>386489894
It was fun but FUCK THE FUEL

>>386489894
I played it pretty frequently for a couple years, and I can say it really was every bit as awful as most people say it was. Fanservice and crazy boss battles can't overcome that awful fuel system.

>>386487216
That happens in AC4 as well, but the circlejerk tends to forget that.

>>386489894
I actually played it (had multiple Level 10 aircraft, bought the campaign, etc...)

Fuel was fucking bullshit
Grinding was abhorrent
Wait times and seal clubbing were abysmal

>>386487471
You can get a 360 for nothing now and you can play the real version of Ninja Gaiden 2 + the greatest 7th gen JRPG while you're at it.

>>386490165
When specifically?

>>386490394
the first and second Yellow encounters

>>386490394
I don't remember specific chapters, but there are Yellow Squad encounters where their planes are invincible.

>>386490442
>>386490509
I thought that in both those encounters they were damageable until you hit one (which the game decides was 13) at Comona and then when you kill one (4) at Stonehenge. After that they become invincible and withdraw.

>>386490889
You're correct, however they're 100% invincible/unhittable in the very first encounter (before Comona)

>>386490980
I actually totally forgot about that one