What's the general opinion on Metal Gear Solid IV? I've

Worst MGS overall. No gameplay worth a shit past act 2. Story ruins nearly everything that had been previously established. Do not play it. Behead all MGS 4 defenders.

MGS4 was my first MGS game. Had to get through a 1 hour cutscene which I obviously couldn't keep up with just to play the game. I didn't enjoy the gameplay.

Then I played every game from the beginning and loved MGS4.

You're probably not gonna enjoy it if this is your first experience.

>>386474648
Pretty great. Super campy & bat shit insane plot, just like the other games. Don't let haters fool you, it's worth playing.

>dat final boss battle tho

>>386474648
Its alright if you play it for callbacks/references to other MGS games. If you dont know anything about MGS its a terrible game overall.

>starting with mgs4
no, that's even worse than playing them chronologically, you aren't going to understand shit

>>386474764
fpbp

>>386474648
nanomachines/10

therefore shit

>>386474648
It's a bad third person shooter with a fan fiction tier story.

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>>386474648
>Hey guise! Just discovered this Lord of the Rings book series. Got Return of the Kings for free. Anything I should know beforhand?

>>386474764
>Worst MGS overall
That would be MGS2.

its awful

ruins established characters, has the most pants on head retarded story you will ever see in a videogame, has more than 5 hours of cutscenes, and its just overall garbage

>>386474648

By far the worst, most unfocused, and dumbest game in the franchise. Gameplay is neither fun nor compelling. Game is full of weird shit, like bumfights and people pissing and shitting themselves. If you start here, you'll have bad expectations of the franchise.

>>386474648
Try to borrow or rent the MGS Legacy collection.

Play them through chronologically so the story makes sense.

Try to ignore the retarded bosses in MGS2, though.

>>386475305

I want to agree with you, but MGS2 is actually more fun to play, at the very least.

METAL
GEAR
ONLINE

>>386475503

I played it MGS1-4 and it still didnt make sense

It's a bad movie for reasons already mentioned.

>>386475543

Literally anything is more fun than playing MGO, my dude.

>>386475295
I know literally nothing about MGS and unlike books not all game series are heavily story connected. Now I know though.

>>386475661

I disagree, but I respect your opinion.

>>386475631

Playing V won't help either, so just stop there.

>>386475503
legacy collection doesn't have mgs1 on disc, you need to actually buy it to get the download code

>>386475305
Kill yourself

>>386474941

Stop. Just, fucking stop. The final boss battle is the dumbest shit in this entire game. Weeb losers tout this battle as some epic, grandiose climax that spans the whole series, but it looks like a damn joke. MGS3's final battle had more context and meaning to it than this ever did.

>>386476028

b-b-b-but it plays music from earlier games

b-but closure

>>386474764
uh, no.
MGS2>MGS>MGS4> MGS5

>>386474764
>Worst MGS overall
MGS4 > GZ > PW = TPP

Dont start with MGS4 op, its the weakest game in the series and the story is going to bore you to death if you dont understand everything that came before it.

>>386474648
MGS4 was meant to be the last game of the series because Kojima wanted to work on other projects. This means that this game's plot is basically a conclusion of everything that was brought up but never fully answered in the previous games. It's a good game, but the story is a massive clusterfuck if you have never played the previous ones.

Play MGS1, MGS2 or MGS3 in order and then play MGS4. You have no excuse not to emulate MGS1 on a PC, and MGS2&3 HD Collection is like, 15$.

>>386476119

>bumfights atop mt. snakemore

SO EPIC

>>386476191

>implying hearing about THE PATRIOTS, SNAKE, DID I TELL YOU ABOUT THE PATRIOTS? for an hour isnt boring no matter what

>ITT grown-ups who watch animes about middleschool girls get confused by grown-up storytime

>>386475543
MGO3 is shit

You can play MGO2 on any PS3 (unmodded) now with Revive Servers working on OFW

Just go play, 500 dedicated players in NA

on ps3 vs 360 threads its one of the greatest games ever
on mgs threads its a shitty game

>>386474648
Campy, over the top, and not meant to be taken too seriously. Just as an MGS game should be.

So pretty decent.

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Honestly OP, if you want to get into the series you're best off just playing the first three and forgetting the rest exist.

>>386474764
This.

>>386475305
Kill yourself.

>>386476483

Shut the fuck up. I sincerely doubt Kojima would want you to take it any other way than seriously.

>>386476382

That's why I said MGO in a MGS4 thread, as it is the best MGO. Thanks for the link though. I'm gonna go fire up my PS3

>>386474648
I actually played it as my first MGS game, I really liked it and did even more after more and more playthroughs
After going back through all the other entries I appreciated the story much much more
But you should still really play through the games in release order, get the legacy collection
If you just got the original physical copy you should keep that if you want to play MGO2R

It has its flaws, but a lot of people here love to shit on it like it's the worst MGS ever
I guess V just doesn't exist, or I played a completely different game

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>>386476637

best mgs dont listen to these cucks

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>>386476761
>Instantly deflects to V
Wonder who could be behind this post.

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>>386476771

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>>386476210
>Emulating
>When this exists

>>386476956
kek, stay in denial.

Literally how shit taste do you have to have to unironically think 4 is better than any other game in the series?

>2 hours of gameplay
>Cutscenes are EXCESSIVELY overlong and most of them are just endless exposition
>Linear as fuck even for a series that wasn't that open ended to begin with
>Boss battles the worst in the series (I would seriously prefer V's no bosses to 4's boring bullet sponges)
>Story is a melodramatic mess that ruins everything and the only interesting thing the game has going on thematically is that it's all about Kojima hates his own creation and his fanbase

but o yeah it played all the themes of each game during the final boss soooo ebin

>>386476958

Emulation is probably easier to get working and more compatible with controllers etc.

>>386476958

Good fucking luck getting that to run.

>>386476824
I wonder what you would say to someone who has a personal opinion of 4>V before that video came out

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>>386476987
>Thinking that working on a trailer is the same as working on the final product

I'm sure we can all agree that

MGR>MGS3>MGS2>MGS5>MGS4>PS3 PW>MGS1> PSP PW

right?

>>386477191
>implying it was just a trailer
get a load of this retard

>>386477207
lol wtf???????

The game isn't that bad but it's definitely one of the weakest titles in the series. Don't make it your first. The story is very goofy and it does a lot of nostalgia tripping. It's not as bad as /v/ wants it to be, but it's really mediocre.

>>386476956
Look at all those producers, why do we act like Kojima made this when those three other guys obviously did all the work?

>>386477287
Please show me in the final credits for MGS4 where it credits Fukushima as a writer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcL_wIGKgjw

>>386477654
>hurr durr

>>386474648
best controls, best mechanics, worst everything else

very frustrating, desperately needed VR missions

It's great on the first run through, not so much on subsequent ones.

>>386474648
First 3 acts are boring and you watch cutscenes waiting for Snake's life to get less shitty.

The last 2 acts are pretty good fanservice moments and has more of that epic feel that is reminiscent of MGS1.

The game is needless to say, very depressing for me, didn't make me too hyped or invested in the journey.

But I think it ends on a bittersweet high note, and I would have preferred it end this way than V's retcon.

>>386477706
You forgot best OST.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k3n5me4Rns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGf2b1H91JA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Pu92St5O0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhRw3nE67aw

>>386474648
>IV
It's 4.

>>386474764
Storyfags like you should move on and play 4 for the game it is, which is 10 times better than V could ever hope of being.

>>386475119
>implying vocalchordparasites.jpg is better
V a shit for causals who need sprinting and health regen.

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>>386474648

Play 1, 2 and 3 before starting it. You'll enjoy the game if you jump into 4 first but you will appreciate the story much more if you play the previous ones first since this is the final chapter to the story.

>>386478191
>mad he cant outrun bullets in old mgs games
whatever man

>>386477014
>but o yeah it played all the themes of each game during the final boss soooo ebin

the amount of retards on /v/ who love the game because of the terribly designed fights against RAY and Ocelot is surprising

>>386477014
V literally had one boss and the rest were bullet sponges you didn't even have to fight. 4's final boss alone shits all over everything V could offer.
Your other arguments show you're a storyfag shitter who probably thinks 2 is the best.

>>386474648
It's pretty great. I'd recommend you play the games in order though.

>>386478070
>play 4 for the game it is

I keep trying but it just goes into more cutscenes

How do you want your bosses, Mr Kojima?

>just give me an immortal homo vampire
>a lucky blonde woman
>and a fat guy on rollerskates

[uncomfortable silence intensifies]

>2 people telling me to kill myself for criticizing mgs2

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>>386478537
You can play the original trilogy before someone finishes watching 4.

>>386478191
>moving the goal posts
I played Ghost Babel on Hard, so don't tell me about outrunning bullets. The causals here that defend V are the same ones who defend Halo Reach. Both aee prequels with CoD mechanics to appeal to a new demographic so they can juice a new crowd into the series for more money.

>>386478537
Then skip them. But you won't, because you're a storyfag.

>>386476028
>>386477014

Who cares? its fun.

Fucking faggots taking these games silly stories seriously.

>>386478537
You are allowed to skip the cutscenes if you do not like them

>>386478821
now it's installing the next chapter

>>386478537
>cutscenes
So? Stop whining or go play some Nintendo babby shit jumping on mushrooms if you just want a game.

>>386478971
yeah, fuck wanting a game. I hope Kojima keeps giving us death stranding trailers for the next 5 years and just never releases it

>>386478949
>moving the goalposts again
Install it all before you play the game. And how is this a bad thing?

>>386478742
GB is a better MGS than everything after MGS1. It has the cheese, the classic gameplay and isn't convoluted just for the sake of pretending it's smart.

>>386479053
MGS4 is a game, with a lot of cutscenes as part of the story. It's got plenty of gameplay I don't know what you're complaining about.

>>386476125
>>386476169
>>386478070
KYS
MGS 4 is trash

>>386479195
GB is the best. 4 is second best. I will stand by this until I die.

>>386479154
>how is constantly breaking the game flow a bad thing?

I'm just as perplexed as you are, anon

now onto 30 minutes of following some whistling retard around an eastern european city with literally zero challenge to get to a house I already know how to reach

>>386477014
some of these are just not true or extremely exaggerated
good job though buddy, you fit in now

>>386479348
t. fag who cares about muh story

>>386479276
>It's got plenty of gameplay
It has two acts of meaningful gameplay.
-Act 3 is a walking simulator followed by a terrible on rails shooting section which is then followed up by the worst boss in the series
-Act 4 is another walking simulator through Shadow Moses with zero human guards
-Act 5 has one area with any sort of stealth and the rest is all cutscenes, even the Liquid fight is a glorified cut scene
This wouldn't be as big of a problem if the story wasn't unadulterated schlock.

>>386479195
>>386479362
GB is literally just a 2d rehashed mgs. It brings nothing new to the table and is touted by contrarians so they can hold up their saviour fukushima as being something he's not.

>>386479276
>It's got plenty of gameplay

It really doesn't, though. It's 2 hours of the core stealth gameplay before it turns into linear setpieces and gimmicks for the last 3 acts.

>>386477014
It's fucking embarrassing the amount of times I see someone posting a moment of MGS 4 like the microwave hall or the battle against Liquid or the Ray VS Rex battle and try to paint that shit as positive

>muh epic win ;_;
It's the most soul-less pandering ever, and it works on complete brain-dead morons, the faggots that defend MGS 4.

>>386479535
and are you aware that MGS1 is a 3d rehashed Metal Gear 2? They're almost literally the exact same game

>>386479523
but anon, you get to press a button while Snake crawls through the microwave corridor, that means it's gameplay

>>386479415
Install it all before or actually walk around and stretch instead of being a lethargic fatass who doesn't move for hours. And Act 3 was great, but shitters who are bad at trailing hated it.

>>386477014
The gameplay is great though honestly. After my first playthrough I played a bunch of times just skipping cutscenes. The whole series is light as fuck on the gameplay that's why the big boss rank's whole "beat the game under 4 hours" shit isn't unreasonable.

Plus MGO2 was fucking superb.

reddit:
>love mgs2
>hate mgs4 because of cutscenes

>>386474648
Only the first 2 of 5 chapters have actual gameplay.

That' s about it.

>>386479535
>GB is literally just a 2d rehashed mgs
>implying that's bad
Reminder that's people that praise MGS2 as something great forget the game is a LITERAL rehash of MGS1. It literally brought nothing new.

>>386479626
It's really not.

>>386479791
>love sex
>hate getting raped in the ass by niggers

bunch of hypocrites

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>>386479736
>The gameplay is great though honestly.
Act 3 is great? A mission where you walk behind some one and then do an on rails shooting section when the last chapter ended on one?

>>386479535
>GB is literally just a 2d rehashed mgs.
But that's what makes it good.

>>386479523
>>386479538
As opposed to running around an empty sandbox with Soviets and no villager rebels? Nothing to explore and only outposts that have a few guards at most. But you can call in a helicopter and mow everyone down so what's the point.
For the shit 4 gets, I'm surprised you fags don't hate it as much as V.

>>386479667
I bet Act 4 was great too, and only shitters who are bad at dodging lasers hated it

>>386479736
It's Act 1 plus Act 2 and then you might as well restart the game. The gameplay is trash. I don't believe you actually replayed it and are talking out of your ass.

>>386479902
I love mgs4 but yeah that probably is the weakest act
I don't think it writes off the whole game though

>>386479902
No. But neither is backtracking to get the sniper rifle or backtracking to defuse the bombs or fighting the sorrow.

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>>386479791
It's the exact opposite, MGS4 is the epitome of /v/edditcore.

>>386479626
>MGS1 reshashed MG2
>MGS2 reshashed MGS1
kojima made the same game three times and got away with it.

>>386479939
V has a lot of flaws, and it's by no means a perfect game. I wouldn't even put it in the Top 3 MGS games. But its gameplay loop lasts much longer than 4. The Kaz rescue mission already accounts for an entire act of MGS V (Of which there are only two worth a shit)

MGS V has the opposite problem in that it has a lot of gameplay filler, but that's preferable to no fun gameplay at all. There weren't even fucking VR missions.

>>386479851
>It's really not.
He's right though.

>>386479851
It is. Chances are you haven't even played it.

>>386479791
>>386480042
>hahaha these guys have the same opinions as someone on reddit XD fuck reddit lol do I fit in guys!??!?!??!?

>>386479982
I don't really care what you do or don't believe. It was the summer before I went to university and I spent a fuckload of time playing that game and MGO2.

>>386480042
>nothing beats 3 tho
Every time. I bet this faggot only started playing after subsistence, too

>>386479989
Act 2 from the moment you get on a turret sequence sucks, so let's give it half points.

Act 3 is complete trash, no need to debate that one

Act 4 has silly robots in very few areas. Chaff grenades get rid of them.

Act 5's stealth portion lasts a total of what, 5 minutes?

Act 1 and the first half of Act 2 is all you have

>>386479843
It came at a similar story from a new angle. Ghost Babel just did the same shit for some reason.

>>386479939
I don't care if you like it, but don't fellate it like fukushima is some hidden genius and it was secretly the GOAT.

1 loved it
2 didn't even finish it, shit retarded and shit raiden bosses
3 meh it was alright i guess
PW meh it was alright i guess
4 loved it
5 loved it - good game but bad mgs game

>>386480148
MGO 1 was a cool novelty
MGO 2 and 3 were a complete waste of time for anyone that had the ability to play any kind of multiplayer shooter on the PC

>>386474648
Oh look, this thread again

>>386479957
Yeah, you're right.

>>386480103
There's no gameplay in running around shooting the same people over and over for the sake of customizing to shoot the same people in different ways over and over. It has zero replay value compared to 4 and the SAME EXACT missions in Chapter 1 fucking repeat themselves.

>>386480113
>>386480127
I played the copy that came with subsistence. It's significantly different plot wise.

>>386480252
I could care less for Fukushima or Kojima. To me GB and 4 are my favorites in this overrated franchise.

>>386480347
I'd say MGO2 was better than one personally. MGO3 was kind of a let down but not awful.

I had pc shooters as well but they didn't have anything that felt like mgo2. I think I was playing a lot of AVP2 online at the time actually.

>>386480383
>he didn't play the Sean Connery version
ayy kys my man

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Play the damn game already, it's not as if the sky will fall if you do so.

>>386474648
I really liked it.

However, you really, REALLY should NOT start with MGS4! It is literally the final chapter of the entire saga; the swansong game and endless fanservice ride.

Grab MGS1 anywhere you can (PSN Store, emulate it, Ebay...), and start with that.
Then play through 2 and 3 in release order.

>>386476028
>The final boss battle is the dumbest shit in this entire game.
le contrarian face

It has everything that makes a good MSG game, but nothing that makes good MSG games amazing. Worth a play, but I'd play the earlier ones first. They are better, but they've aged a bit and playing them after IV might make it tougher to get into. But maybe that's just me.

>Middle East: Fun
>South America: Fun
>Europe: Neat at first, since it's something kinda new, but really boring in subsequent playthroughs.
>Shadow Moses: Great fanservice, but robots are kinda annoying. Cool boss fight.
>Outer Haven: Extraordinarily disappointing.

>>386479523
>muh story
Opinion discarded.

>>386474764
>>386476028
>>386475407
>>386475438
>all this shit taste
kys ya'll

>>386475528
>MGS2 is actually more fun to play
No, it really is not.
MGS2 is easily THE clunkiest, most frustrating game in the series, suffering of shitty map design and camera-angles and over-convoluted controls.

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>>386476637
>Muh Fukushima.
So you're implying he did the coding, music, character designs and game design for all the games too? He didn't even direct Metal Gear GB.

>>386480810
How are mgs2 controls convoluted?
I never remembered having a hard time with them.

>>386480880
Posts like this show me the only people who hate 4 are storyfags who got their headcanon fucked. Yet these same people defend V, so maybe they're insane.

>>386480880
was mount snakemore before or after Raiden decided to hold back arsenal gear instead of just picking Snake up and running away?

>>386480880
I kind of distrusted him with Old Snake, but he ended up selling that fine.
The part where Snake meets Eva is awful, the Codec crew from MGS 3 becoming the Patriots is fucking insulting.
The scene on the boat with the guns of the patriots is so fucking bad it actually turns back around into being hilarious.
The entirety of the fifth act is slap after slap after slap on the fanbase that isn't lobotomized.

>>386474648
It's good, but play MGS1-3 first. MGS1 is $10 on PSN, and 2 and 3 are part of a $30 HD Collection that should be on the store. THose games are required for understanding MGS4

>>386481020
not him, but as someone who completed all the VR missions, the pressure sensitive buttons had a bit of a learning curve to them, and it was hard to predict where grenades would go. That said, 3 was worse at all that

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>MGS4
its really fun, the camosuit is cool and meryls ass is hot.the frogs are the best enemy desu adn the technology aspect of things is pretty shit, that nigger drebin fucked you over BIGLY!!

>>386481058
Raiden holding Arsenal Gear is a flashback to Grey Fox holding Metal Gear Rex. It's not meant to be logical, only emotional because it's a fanservice game.

>>386480970
It's Liquid. That's exactly the sort of thing he'd do.

>>386480810

>Would rather play Ground Fucker Solid 4 than play an actual stealth action game

what a fucking loser

I play games for the gameplay, not for the rancid, melodramatic, pointless excuses of storytelling.

The original metal gear and MGSV are the only ones with good gameplay.

>>386481101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD3St2PLtp8

>>386481460
>MGSV
>good gameplay
Now that's a joke.

>>386481101
Didn't they hint that Sigint was the DARPA Chief in MGS3? Pretty sure Paramedic's name was revealed to be "Clark" in that game too, who we knew was responsible for the Cyborg Ninja project. Most of the foreshadowing was already in place in MGS3.

>>386475305
MGS2 is great, except you play as Raiden, who is a massive faggot who bitches and moans about everything.

Kojima made him to lure in pre-teen girls and it created one of the most universally reviled characters of all time.

>>386474648
It's fine. Gameplay is lacking but it does a nice job wrapping up 2's loose ends.

>>386481675
>he thinks it isn't good gameplay

confirmed for not having played it

>>386481680
>Didn't they hint that Sigint was the DARPA Chief in MGS3?
No

>Pretty sure Paramedic's name was revealed to be "Clark" in that game too
Wrong. We knew Clark was the name of the doctor in MGS 1. Paramedic being Clark was added on MGS 4 (Or Portable Ops, irrelevant)

>Most of the foreshadowing was already in place in MGS3.
Wrong. Complete retcon.

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>>386475305
>>386476125
Shit taste as usual. Let me guess, you think MGS3 is the amazing one.

>>386481681
>Kojima made him to lure in pre-teen girls

>he's not on the cover
>not in any of the promotional material
explain your logic there to me, champ

what were some cool stuff u guys liked in mgs4
>all the cqc and positions to hold your enemies in
>holding r1 harder chokes bitches out when youve grabbed em
>bein a fuckin chameleon in full octocamo
>all the different things enemies will notice on BBE like your cigarette smoke
>I know this is a stupid one but I thought it was cool when you laid down your controller flat for mantis

>>386481234
meryl is really cute ya and I like groping the frogs and playing with them they are also cute :)

>>386481746
Played it more than 3. I can say that it has shit gameplay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6cJSbYbQZE&app=desktop
Watch that so you get exposed.

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>>386481828
>he's not on the cover

>>386481914
Going back to Shadow Moses was pretty cool

>>386481914
When it ended
The amount of material we had to shitpost about it on /v/

Terrible game

For a honest answer to your question, Act 1 and the first half of Act 2 start off really good

>>386482025
>hinging your views on someone else's reviews

Fuck off strawfag

>>386481782
They did say Sigint was the DARPA chief in the post-game credits that shows the scrolling timeline you fucking jackass.

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>>386482039
>Shoehorned nostalgia pandering was pretty cool

>>386482025
3 has some of the worst gameplay in the series though. It was experimental so it makes sense.

And I know most of you cunts are too young to have played Snake Eater with the original camera, that shit was brutal.

>>386481675
it has very solid gameplay and a decent enough loop for the most part, what it fails is in properly balancing player action and reward, and creating escalating challenges.
Balance as a whole has been a problem for MGS ever since the tranquilizer gun was added, and then V added the nearly limitless fulton which removed a ton of decision-making and used a stupid F-S ranking system that forced players into being the most efficient instead of creative

>>386482170
I'm sorry I'm not as dead internally as you are, anon.

>>386482131
>doesn't watch it since he knows his shit taste will get exposed
I held the sane views before discovering it but some Scottish cunt said it better than I could.

>>386482170
Unironically yes. If you played the first game around release you had been with the series for like a decade at that point. Moses had aged, you had aged, the best was yet to come. It was great.

>>386482170
>calling a valid plot point as pandering

>>386482178
Fucking this.

>>386482235
>He says while he enjoys brainless and souless pandering
Bet you had an orgasm when Solid Snake switched to his original model for a brief second

>>386482181
That's my point. It's an open world casual shitfest that gets repetitive and boring a quarter of the way in.

>>386482115
Yeah, I can agree that not all of the acts were that great
I still really had a soft spot for the game and kept replaying it anyways
Kinda like with mirror's edge

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Here's a question to all of you:
Did any of you play an MGS game, even once before hopping onto discussion on this thread

>>386482290
>Liquid's plan is to use REX to take down JD
>REX just happens to still conveniently be on Shadow Moses after all these years still
>Still fully operational

>Valid plot point

>>386482405
yes
did you?

>>386482351
Good. Keep being dead on the inside, unable to enjoy anything without spewing bile in all directions.

You'll die, cold and alone.

Fucking faggot.

>>386481914
>equipping the Solid Eye turned the little light on
>fucking around with octocamo on random places and saving the results
>pretending to be dead in battlefields and hoping the enemy wouldn't step on you
>that extremely stupid crawling that moved you an inch per minute but was absolutely hilarious to use

for all its flaws, it's a good game to fuck around, as all games in the series are

>>386481680
>>386481782
>Didn't they hint that Sigint was the DARPA Chief in MGS3?
They establish in the ending timeline that he went on to work for ARPA after the events of Operation Snake Eater.

>Pretty sure Paramedic's name was revealed to be "Clark" in that game too, who we knew was responsible for the Cyborg Ninja project.
They never revealed her real name in MGS3, but there's an optional codec call where she talks about genes and cloning.

>Most of the foreshadowing was already in place in MGS3.
>Wrong. Complete retcon.
There's also a part in MGS3 where Zero namedrops The Patriots and La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo.

I don't think Kojima wrote MGS3 entirely just to provide a backstory for MGS2, but he was certainly experimenting with the idea by throwing in a few subtle ties.

>>386474648
No, man. MGS4 is only satisfactory if you play MGS1-MGS3 before.

It only makes sense as a closure game to the series, don't let the shitposters fool you, it's a good game, but you should play the original trilogy first.

This topic is making want to go out and buy this game so I can experience this crazy shit first hand.

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>>386475407

I like to blame the Japanese/South Koreans for being perpetually drunk. Apply that thought to how they make video games and you've about hit the mark on what they're about.

>>386482364
a quarter of the way in was still a good 30 or so hours and it doesn't mean the gameplay is bad, even if you don't like how the game presented it

>>386474648
Talladega Nights is a better movie

>>386474764
Couldn't have said it better myself. This game was, is, and always will be a catastrophe.

>>386482502
I'll die surrounded by my grandsons, and we'll be laughing at how terrible MGS 4 was as my last breath leaves my warm satisfied corpse.

>>386482495
Odd, a bunch of /v/ usually doesn't play video games, and instead talks utter shit in threads with possible points of discussion, and laughs a lot in LOL threads.

But are you bravely honest, anon?

>>386482405
what would that have to do with the topic at hand?

>>386482036
>>386481828
>MGS2 box
>snake on the outside
>open it up
>raiden on the inside
>go to check my MGS2 box to see if i remembered correctly
>it isnt there
!
i only have a bed a shelf and a chest of drawers in my room, how the fuck did it go missinG?

>>386481828
Kojim has gone on fucking record saying exactly what I said. When asked why girls don't play the MGS series, they said Snake felt like an older man.

Hence, he created fucking Raiden.

>>386482835
(T_T)7

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We all agree these are the two best right?

>>386474648
A great game buried in a shit load of story that has a few very good high moments, but is mainly pretty bad. The gameplay in MGS4 is fantastic, and MGO2 is probably my favourite online mode in any game ever.

>>386482835
The idea that anyone would want to bear your children in the first place is pretty laughable by itself.

>>386482405
I played the whole series within release year, except PW because fuck portable games. I played that later and wasn't a fan.

>>386482989
>bait n switch solid 2

yeah no

>>386482851
yeah dude I played through mgs4 like 5 times to get stealth camo

>>386482968
>believing Kojima's lies
that's how we're putting Sony in debt, anon

>>386483037
Not as laughable as MGS 4 was

>>386474648
I enjoyed it, although Act III was shit. Bosses were pretty lame too compared to other entries, but I dont think it's as bad as everyone claims it is. I grew so bored with mgs V that I dropped it after chapter 1, especially when I realized most of the missions in chapter 2 were recycled from the first just with extra conditions tacked on. At least I was able to finish IV.

>>386483072
>he's still butthurt about not playing as snake
I think raiden is actually supposed to represent the player because of how much he idolizes snake and wants to be like him

>>386482405
>/v/, do you play video games
>no
>hahahaha! hahahaha! By the time the thread ends, we'll all go to the local malt shop!
This is so cliche and stale, try something else

>>386483252
No shit. You can rush through MGS 4 in like four hours if you skip all cutscenes. Only a grand total of two of those hours would actually be stealth gameplay. Fuck outta here.

>>386476028
>taking mgs seriously
fucking kek
you're opinion is garbage

>>386483072
>muh solid snake
You're the exact kind of person MGS2 was mocking.

>>386476028
This. MGS4 is just a nostalgia wankfest.

>>386483345
>because of how much he idolizes snake and wants to be like him
Like any other sidekick addition ever since Sonic the Hedgehog 2?

>>386483389
why are you so upset at him

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I don't get the complaint about lack of gameplay in MGS4. It had great level designs but the straightforwardness of the objectives made it seem short. Now consider MGS1/2/3, they all don't actually have that many levels either, they just feature lots of backtracking for keycards/items that you need to progress. In this regard, aren't the other 3 just unnecessary padding between cutscenes? MGS2 cutscene/codec length in total is shorter by an hour or so from MGS4's total. MGS4 just had more cutscenes back-to-back with a main objective inbetween them instead of codec calls every 5 minutes once you pick up a keycard or obtain a weapon.

>>386483389
That's the same with every game in the series though. In fact it's a requirement for the best rank which many people manage to get.

>>386481782
>>Most of the foreshadowing was already in place in MGS3.
>Wrong. Complete retcon.
Paramedic jokes about cloning Big Boss in MGS3.

>>386483407

Bad troll
D-
Please see me after class

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Start with MG1?

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>>386483717
>Act 3
>Two on rails sections
>Final chapter is a straight line

>Great level design

>>386483345
>this shit gets a free pass
>HURRRRR WHY AM I NOT BIG BOSS IN TPP

Cancerous fucking fan base at its finest.

>>386483717
The bomb part in MGS2 is THAT PART. I couldn't replay that shit even if I tried.

>>386484863
It didn't back in the day. People will get over their butthurt of V eventually.

>>386484845
Raging Raven was a based boss fight though. Cinematic in the best sense of the word.

>>386484845
Act 3 just pisses me off. I've replayed MGS4 many times, even got the Big Boss emblem but holy shit act 3 can go die in a fire. The worse thing is, it has the biggest portion of uninterrupted gameplay, and is one of the largest areas to fuck around in. They just had to fuck it up by making it a tailing mission.

>>386484845
Are you saying that Act 3 isn't great design in how it captured the Eastern European design/atmosphere? I'm not debating the gameplay choices there

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>>386485143
I assumed you were talking about the level design from a gameplay point of view, I'm not debating the art direction as it was superb but the only levels that were actually fun in that they had multiple routes to go to your objective were 1 and 2.

>>386482405
I watched someone play through all of them, does that count?

>>386485323
Shadow moses had that too though

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>>386485141
>tracking resistance member
>get to the part right before the alley where the car patrols are
>car patrol fucking runs him over
i wasn't even mad,its maybe the reason why i don't hate act3

>>386483345
>>386483472
>instead of playing as a badass soldier, you get a newbie, whiney faggot
You are cancer, and this was a terrible design choice.

>>386474648
It's personally my favorite MGS title, desu. Sure, it probably has the least gameplay of the 5, but the atmosphere and the conclusion to Solid Snake just hit all the right notes for me, and the gameplay was pretty top notch. Plus MGO in MGS4 was a lot of fun.

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>>386485484
It was significantly shorter though, most of that act was consumed by the forced encounters with the Gekkos, Vamp and the RAY/REX fight. It's a significantly better chapter than 3 or 5 but that isn't really saying a whole lot.

>>386484863
>HURR WHY DON'T I HAVE ANY ENGAGING BOSS FIGHTS, MEMORABLE QUALITY LEVEL DESIGN, FINISHED STORY AND GAMEPLAY THAT FEELS MEANINGFUL BECAUSE IT ISN'T RIDICULOUSLY STRETCHED OUT IN TPP

>>386485889
Avoiding Gekkos was fun though, so was Crying Wolf's fight. Its definitely on par with 1 and 2

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>pop in MGS2 disk
>just to listen to the music
why did the early 2000s have such a great range of musical genres? any other songs artists similar to MGS2s OST?

>>386484863
raiden was like a child soldier and shit and eneded up being a cool cyborg ninja
venom is just some fuckin guy ya know

>>386485380
why are you even here

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>>386486104
>pop in ZOE HD collection
>hover over 2nd runner and enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmYkLLbQZZE

>>386486047
I'm talking about the forced encounters with them though, like when you wait for Otacon to hack into something with the MKII in the nuclear room.

>>386484863
I ignore all of chapter 2 for being completely pants on head retarded.

>>386486350
is ZOE hd collection good cuz I heard some ppl talkin shit
I've never played ZOE before and have been wanting some mech shit

>>386486104
>>386486350

Just look for games with drum n bass

https://www.giantbomb.com/profile/nostalgicshakedown/lists/games-that-have-good-drum-and-bass-in-it/78735/

>>386486368
They're fairly easy to kill in a few shots with a rocket launcher the first time or with 1 well-placed rail gun shot

>>386486465

360 version is shit and will never be patched to be good

PS3 version is a-okay

/v/ has shit taste and still salty the game is exclusive
there's no way in hell this game is worse than PW/MGSV

>>386478598
accurate

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>>386486465
It is, it even works great on PCSX2 now too. ZOE1 is great and then ZOE2 took everything good from the first one and made it better.

>>386486240
>Venom is some person
He's literally one of the most top performing MSF soldiers. Try listening to the tapes in V again before coming back to me.

>>386486653
Its still funny how they handwaved the memory transplants though

>>386474648
Mgs4 is great only people who say therwise are people that didn't get the chance to play it due to poor life choices

>>386486984
>played MGS4 after 3 with a friend
>years later play it again
>its still good
i like it more than i should because V was so shit

>>386487179
4 is a billion times worse than V

Be honest how many of you played the original Snake Eater with the overhead camera?

>>386486569
oh ok it was just the xbox version
I'll go pick up that and the mgs hd collection because I actually don't have 2&3 on ps3

>>386487318
Brought it on launch date in 2004.

>>386486653
>MC's backstory is told through tapes
thanks kojima good job putting lots of effort into your game

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>>386487228
i like it, it keeps more with the old MGS style. too much of Vs shit is unbearable. not like 4 ever took half your shit online, made you grind to get weapons or had reflex or that other dumb filler shit. it does however give cool bonus weapons, character customisation, better range of weapons imho AND boss fights, bonus points for body suits.

>>386487228
V is a billion dillion zillion kajillion willion fillion nillion xillion times worse than 4

>>386487318
Only version I've ever played.

>>386487697
>Game with the best gameplay is worse than a game that ruined the series canon
Spicy meme senpai, I have over 300 hours in TPP because of how good it is.

>>386487974
good goy keep eating up all that filler

>>386484754
By assuming that I have no replies from this, I'm going to say.... No.

>>386488691
You have to be so fucking old dude wtf

>>386488992
???

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Reminder that the game Kojima didn't have any involvement in was the better missing link then the shitfest that was Phantom Shit or Peace Shit. With a way better villain and easily the best mgs theme of all of them.

>>386485380
Found the stupid poster

>>386489316
>shitfest that was Phantom Shit or Peace Shit.
You forgot Shit of the Shitriots.

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>>386489316
>kojihack doesnt ruin another MGS game with his input
WHAT A SHOCKER!!!! almost like he is the rason MGS went to shit and is basically his westaboo fanfic, just like gennedy and samurai jack

>>386489316
No. This one was complete shit compared to the rest of the series. Still fun but complete shit.

>>386489316
Portable ops was really shitty dude. Like incredibly shitty. It's fine to sip the contrarian kool aid but don't chug the whole jug.

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>People are THIS overworked up about caring what part of a game franchise someone else plays

>>386490284
Gotta keep the meme alive

>>386490284
we gotta keep standards high and the peasantry of thoughts linger below

>>386490284
Welcome to /v/. Come once, stay forever!

>>386474821
this

>>386490284
What would you expect from such a board like this

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>>386476382
oshit they got OFW working now? time for some motherfucking TSNE

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Was it kino?

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>>386481681
>except you play as Raiden, who is a massive faggot who bitches and moans about everything.

>Kojima made him to lure in pre-teen girls and it created one of the most universally reviled characters of all time.

that they had to rewrite for MGS4

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V might be crap, but damn, every graphic model of the main characters are beautiful in both games, gruffy looking or not.

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>>386492353
it was a nice conclusion

>>386492763
you're weird, anon

The only issue I ever had was V. It should of never been made. Open world games only work out well some of the time. I'd take linear MGS over that shit any day....

Is there such thing as a stealth action game that doesn't have to focus heavily on the damn story to the point where drives the gameplay?

I could play the original Metal Gear games, even backwards without knowing what the hell was going on.

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>>386494326
Not sure if underage or bait but yes there is.

Played in like 2015 or so for the first time. Really enjoyed it although it was much more action oriented than other MGS games, but I kind of appreciated the fact I could go balls to the wall if I wanted to.

Very few levels I didn't like. The 30 fps were noticeable and sucked but not much you could say about that but you do get used to it eventually. I don't know why there has been no attempt to remaster this game, it really is a shame because it was pretty awesome.

>>386494326
>Is there such thing as a stealth action game that doesn't have to focus heavily on the damn story to the point where drives the gameplay?
Splinter Cell.

>>386490284
>lol u guys r such nerds ur just mad at each other for liking different stuff XD
There is some sperging but people are just aruging over qualities and faults of each entry
If this is such a surprise to you I'm really wondering how long you've been using this website, or the internet in general

>>386474648
Don't even boot it up, you are going to spoil everything. This game is really the epilogue to the series.

>>386490284
Can't have fun without at least knowing how to have fun, idiot.

>>386494532

Fucking this. SC was always a better stealth franchise because you couldn't really run n' gun like you can in MGS.

>>386494903
You can't run and gun in MGS1 or 2, you can run and CQC in MGS3 but you can't run and gun in it either.

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>>386474648
Don't play it before you have played the previous ones, you won't understand shit and you won't appreciate the nostalgia which is the core aspect of this game.

>mfw I returned to the shadow Moses after so many years, because I played the original MGS when it came out and I could appreciate the ruined state of the site

>>386494989
Yes, you can run-and-gun in MGS2+3. Hold down the "action button" while using the "shoot button"

>>386494989

Sorry mate, let me clarify -- You can't generally go around like a jackwad shooting everything in sight and get away with it in SC like you can in MGS.

>>386495164
No you can't, getting an alert in those games is pretty much game over because you get unreasonably swarmed with enemies. Play on a higher difficulty than Normal.

>>386474648
We have these threads about MGS4 at least once every week.

So is it really just me that browses 4chan as much as I do? This site is so damn repetitive now and I can only guess it is because the overwhelming vast majority on here maybe browse no more than an hour a day here and likely a couple times a week at most.

>>386495238
Yes you can. Hold L1 while shooting. git gud.

>>386474648

>old snake
>pandering
>nanomachines
>bumfights
>memes
>no gameplay

MGS4 is objectively the worst in the series.

Too many cutscenes, whatever gameplay it has is pretty amazing. The problem with the 9 hours of cutscenes is that they tend to repeat the same things over and over and over again. Then you get to play for a bit, then there's another 40 minutes of really fucking redundant dialogue.

>>386489316
>that scene were all of the recruits show up to help destroy the Metal Gear
>that scene with Elisa/Ursula where they say stuff about Big Boss' future
>everything with Gene
>Campbell being badass
>that ending
For all the shit the game gets, it does have a lot of highlights. Its shit/good ratio is far better than PW and MGSV when it comes to the story, though its the opposite for gameplay.

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>>386495487
*blocks your path*

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The absolute worst fucking game in the series. It looked so promising before it was released. To me the whole game was just an interactive movie...

>>386495487
fricken

>james bond wow how gay
>bosses named after emotions which are gay which is double gay
>a girl beating up big boss prettttyyy gay
>ocelot is young and gay literaelly nad figuratively
>volgin is super gay! and raiden is here and he's gay too
>can this game get any gayer
>eva comes onto big boss and he says no, pretty gay my dude
>end with a grown ass man crying pretty friggen gay

MGS3 is objectively the gayest game ever made.

>>386492668
MGS2 Raiden was us, the fanbase.

>>386495765
>MGS2 Raiden was us, the fanbase.

whatever you say. None of us were child soldiers

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>>386495687
You made me laugh the strongest I have laughed in more than 7 days. Screw you.

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>Metal Gear's lasting legacy is just people arguing which game was the worst

>>386495594
wish TPP was just PW with next gen graphics and every level camp omega sized.

>>386495834
ur wecome bruv

>>386480512
I am not the other guy i played the msx versions. They only have about as much in common as the other mgs gamea do. There are many different segments and mgs1 never gets as batshit as mg2 does. But most games in the series have similar parts like chase sequences, torture sequences, auto alert sequences, sniping segments, the list goes on and on.

Also how can mgs2 be basically a remake of mgs1 if mgs1 is great and mgs2 is the worst in the franchise not counting V or pw

>>386495812
Not literally, you autist.

Play MG1 and MG2.

Then stop there, take a walk outside, smell the roses, and communicate with a life form. And realize that you're not Garfield and that life is more about sitting and arguing with people of no face.

>>386496512
and yet the fans on here say "literally"

Which one was the most popular/selling again? MGS2? I forgot.

>>386497612
I think it was 3.

I know it was the most well received

2>MGR>1=3>>>>> POWERGAP >>>>4=V

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>>386497612
Yes, also the highest rated. MGS2 is objectively the second best video game ever made.

>>386497847
>MGS2 is objectively the second best video game ever made.

the entire ending sequence ruins any claim of MGS2 being good

Why is there such a "Love-It-Or-Hate-It" attitude toward MGS2?
I love it

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>>386497781
Nice revisionism, 3 is the second lowest received mainline title.

>>386497956
>the entire ending sequence ruins any claim of MGS2 being good
Can you explain further? The ending convo between Snake and Raiden? I thought it encapsulated the game's themes/message really well.

>>386498079
>>386497781
You might be better off checking subsistence. The controls in the original were pretty rough. I lent it to a friend and he dropped it pretty quick citing the camera.

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>>386497956
I don't think so Tim.

>>386497984
>Why is there such a "Love-It-Or-Hate-It" attitude toward MGS2?

because you have people who think it's a disappointing sequel & a bad game vs people pretending to be intellectuals and swallowed the Red Pill that the lying Patriot AI gave at the end of the game

>>386498079
>trusting critics

>>386498190
the entire ending section felt like a god damned acid trip so I paid zero attention because the game gave off that impression that it no longer cared.

>>386475735

faggot

Worst MGS ever made and one of the most overrated games ever made. People really need to replay this, because I think they are just still feeling warm and fuzzy on the inside after all that fanwank that was going on in that game. There is hardly any game after Act 2.

>>386496585
>people of no face
how dare you

>>386496585
>Play MG1 and MG2.
Add Snatcher and Policenauts to the list.

>OP simply asks "What title should I first play?"
>Becomes endless arguing about "which title is the best".
I dread tomorrow

>>386500456
what happens tomorrow

>>386500520
another of the same old threads

>>386489316
>was the better missing link then the shitfest that was Phantom Shit or Peace Shit.
It's really not. Gene in particular is awful, and so is Null.
>best mgs theme
It is pretty great.

>>386497612
>MGS2
Pretty much. It's the Sonic 2 of MGS, where it isn't agreeably the best one of the bunch but still somehow extremely recognized almost everywhere

>>386476028
Wew

>Starting with the epilogue

3 is the best, we can all agree, right?

>>386481681
>misunderstands the entire game
No wonder you hate it

>>386497612
You got that right

>>386474764
It's tied with Peace Walker for worst, actually.

>>386474764
>That scene Snake outright says MGS2 was completely pointless

Fuck this game and its shitty story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx2dgVKYWWU

Great analysis of MGS2 and its development, themes, story, etc.

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>watching Sunny slowly walk up and down those fucking stairs
>over and over again

You can feel yourself dying by the seconds.

>>386474648
I felt it was a step backwards from 2-3 it had its moments but as a game it suffered from way to many cutscenes

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>>386506098
>TFW people unironically too stupid for MGS2 are the reason we got MGS4

It's painfully obvious that Kojima didn't want to make 4. Just regurgitating shit from the previous games. Answering questions that were never meant to be answered. It effectively shits on everything he accomplished with MGS1-3.
4 feels like its mocking people who need closure and can't handle an open ending that relies on the player to be an active participant in the story.

All 4 needed was for the AIs to actually show up and taunt you now and again.

Defeating them was the entire point and yet they're just glossed over and ignored.

great base stealth gameplay ruined by retarded plot and design. they be ET should have let Kojima off the leash

>>386507259
Kojima's been bitching about not wanting to make a new MG since like before MGS2. The cost of freedom. 9 years is nothing.

>>386507741
Don't forget the terrible level design where the good stealth mechanics were irrelevant because the goddamn levels were just boring tunnels.

>>386507785
The series should've ended at 2, I won't complain too much because 3 is a really good game but everything after that is schlock. Kind of glad he's unshackled from the series so he can do what he wants now.

play Metal Gear Survive

Play all the games in release order.
How are people capable or playing a series out of order?