>we will never get a sci-fi game as great as Mass Effect 1

Are there even any alternatives to Mass Effect when it comes down to space RPGs?
Only the Star Wars ones come to mind and that's also BioWare.

>>386410401
>Implying it was great in the first place with clunky ass gameplay and bland sidequest worlds.

>>386410401
mass effect sucked tho?

>>386411885
Yep, that's basically it. There are lots of space-oriented games with rpg elements, but very few space rpg's.

>>386411975
Is clunky the most nondescript descriptor ever made? Whenever I hear someone say clunky I have to seriously doubt that they even know what they don't like about the thing they are talking about.

Yeah. Makes me a little sad.

>>386410401
We did, it's called Mass Effect 2.

>>386411885
No. Cinematic story driven AAA RPGs are already super rare simply because they take a huge team roughly 3-5 years to make and sci-fi shit in general isn't that popular to begin with.

>>386410401
>I'm not the only one who didn't jump on the ME-hating bandwagon
I'll be damned

>>386412129
Well fuck me I guess I'm stuck with replaying Mass Effect forever then

ME1 did a lot to try to evoke a classic sci-fi feel from the suits to the screen filter to the score. It felt like a love letter to stuff like Star Trek TOS. ME2 and 3 were too far up their own ass and didn't have any charm.

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>>386410401
so much could be done to improved in the formula in the sequels
what a fucking waste

>>386412193
Okay fine I'll explain in detail
>Inventory space management is a pain the ass especially with weapon accessories
>Mako travels too slow and regenerates shields too slow
>A lot of the sidequest indoor battles are copy pasted areas
>You need to invest a lot of points into the sniper in order to be able to use it
>Biotics are buggy
>Immunity is overpowered
>You travel on foot too slow outside of combat
>Your allied AI is laughable

>>386412615
thanks

>>386410401
yes we had ME2 and ME3

>>386412715
Both shit.

>>386410401
ill never stop being mad about mass effect 3

they fucked up so fucking bad, i get ptsd flashbacks to how angry i was at the end

fuck

>>386412749
Shepard also had PTSD flashbacks anon
Did you like it? :^)

>>386412749
>reddit spacing
Average ME3 hater. ME3 is unironically the best in the series because it's a good shooter while the other two are horrible rpg games and mediocre shooters.

>>386412862
die

>>386411975
This was the first game in the series, of course it was gonna have issues. To be totally honest i felt that its flaws gave it character and showed that they were really trying to create the whole package and were willing to risk that some things weren't gonna pan out. There was so much that could have been improved upon in a sequel and instead they decided to go with a safer and more polished pile of garbage.

>>386412862
Found the guy who preordered Andromeda.

>A lot of the sidequest indoor battles are copy pasted areas

this, side quests were mmorog shit tier

ME3 was okay, you're probably disappointed if you've played before the fixed ending update.

Mass Effect 3 was a pretty good shooter on what was supposed to be an RPG series.

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>>386412862
FUCKING BIODRONE, ME3 APOLOGIST SCUM! What's next!? You better not fucking say the only thing wrong with it is the ending! YOU FUCKING FAGGOT YOU BETTER NOT SAY THAT! ITS 99.99% SHIT!

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>>386412896
>>386413031
>ME1
>horrid roleplaying game that is an insult to wRPGs and Bioware's heritage
>horrid shooter and dated even for 2007

>ME2
>even worse roleplaying game, is barely one to begin with
>mediocre shooting but heading towards the right direction

>ME3
>horrid roleplaying (no one is surprised at this point)
>fun shooter mechanics and an actually good horde mode multiplayer mode that is far more fun than ME1+ME2 combined
Gee I wonder which one of these games is the better experience.

I like mass effect 2 and mass effect 3 multiplayer and DLC/

>>386413021
And yet I had more fun with ME2 than ME1.

>>386413423
>me1
>an interesting game with some fresh ideas on an ancient race using blackholes to harness technology

>me2
>some dumb bullshit about corporate warfare but hey the gameplay is better

>me3
>linear third person shooter that totally butchered the concepts from the first game

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>>386410401
It's the memories that count anon. Forget what anyone else says

I picked up this game on the 360 when it just came out not knowing anything about the game other than it was an RPG.

Despite how simple of a game it is now with our experienced eyes it was a fantastic experience for its time.

>>386412514
greed kills

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>>386410401
We've had 4 great sci-fi rpg's already with a much better setting, design, story, characters, enemy types and antagonists.

>>386413661
Not only the first game, it created tons of inconsistencies with the second game too. Especially with the Geth.

>>386410401
>Leveling so high in space magic you can make the giant spiderfuccbots fly

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I just want another sci-fi game with elaborate lore where you save the galaxy again
Is that really too much to ask?

>>386410401
>ME1
>great
How so?
The story was mediocre and very cliche. The combat was garbage. The exploration sucked are. It had one of the worst inventory systems ever made. All the side quests were basically landing on the same copy pasted planet 30 times, and killing the same 5 enemy types in the same copy pasted bunker over....and over.......and over again.
ME1 was an average at best game, and that's being kind. /v/ really needs to stop pretending it was some flawless classic 10/10 game, because it sure as fuck wasn't.

>>386413797
>4
Now I'm wondering which one you're not including

>>386414006
>where you save the galaxy again
Having a small setting without huge 'save the galaxy' bullshit stakes is much better
Just lemme wander around exploring and killing mercs

>>386413661
>muh story
You're the reason why modern gaming sucks. Everything in your post is non-argumentative bullshit. If ME1 is a shit game then why should I give a flying fuck about the concepts it tries to deliver? It fails as both a shooter and a roleplaying game. Placebo choices that ultimately lead nowhere and limp as fuck guns. ME3 at least perfected one aspect of the franchise and made a fun horde mode out of it, much more than ME1 can say about itself.

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Does anyone have pdf or jpg downloads for the Mass Effect art books?
I saw this in a store yesterday but since I'd just want to use it for wallpapers digital is a lot more useful.

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>>386410401
Mass Effect is... ok.

I feel like it's babby's first Bioware experience. Overrated by a bunch of Xbox 360 kiddies who are now just old enough to be nostalgiafags over it.

>>386414198
you find linear corridor shooters fun, and "perfect"?

>>386413095
>"""fixed""" ending
How do I know you're under 20?

One thing I really disliked about ME3 was how it tried to be this grand, big budget spectacle, with cinematic cutscenes set to melodramatic music and such. Every other step you took in the game it would force you to stop so you could watch it jerk itself off over what a big self important deal it was. But the writing was still the same cringey Bioware nerd writing it had always been. But Bioware writing always worked because the games were fairly small and personal, and didn't take themselves too seriously. Seeing that kind of writing in a big clusterfuck of a super-serious big deal debacle was just horrible. And I'm talking little things that most people never mention, like e.g. the Palavin cutscenes, some of the Citadel scenes, etc.

>>386414163
I really am a sucker for "prevail against all odds" types of stories.

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>>386414058
1, 2, Tactics and New Vegas. When people always talk about "not enough sci-fi rpg's" they must only mean the shitty, ugly high fantasy and generic as fuck with space magic. So far there's been 4 released with no other character able to top things like Lou tenant, The Master, Frank Horrigan Elijah, Mr House and Josua Grahm.

Mass Effect 1 was shit.

>generic cover shooting gameplay with guns that feel like you're shooting wet farts
>only 4 weapon types, which all behaved the exact same, weapon mods did little to fix this
>a whopping total of 2 gun models for each weapon type, one of which was an ugly fishgun
>copy-pasted level design, enjoy fighting through the same crate-filled bunkers on every planet
>every planet is an empty as fuck recolored desert where you drive in a straight line for 5 minutes until you reach one of the aforementioned copy-pasted bunkers
>mako story missions were literally just "drive along linear road, obliterate cannon fodder enemies, dodge comically slow-moving projectiles from armatures/towers"
>zero depth in the skill point system, no such thing as different builds or playstyles within each class. Just dump points into incremental stat increases
>too much overlap between classes re: available skills and playstyles
>boring itemization, weapons and armor respectively all had the same 3 basic stat attributes, with mods just incrementally being renamed [MOD] II, [MOD] III, [MOD] IV, etc
>boring as fuck companions aside from garrus and wrex
>hacking/lock picking skills were pointless thanks to the metric fuckton of omni-gel the game dumps on you
>terrible companion AI
>terrible enemy AI whose only strategy was to run up to whatever crate you were taking cover behind and shoot you in the face while yelling ENEMIES EVERYWHERE every 5 seconds
>introduced us to the cancer known as the dialogue wheel
And so much more that I don't even feel like listing right now.

I could write an essay on how much of a piece of shit game ME1 is

>>386410401
>>386411885

This is why I wanted Andromeda to be good. Unfortunately it isn't.

>>386414039
It's not about the game, it's about the universe they created in that game.
It's easily the best sci-fi universe out there.

>>386414483
My favorite part is the pointless turret sequence against the reaper on Rannoch

>>386414658
At least it had a good waifu

>>386414417
You find terrible roleplaying with placebo outcomes fun? You find horrible morality systems fun? You find a generic and safe sci-fi premise fun? You find bland, barely functional rover gameplay with copypasted worlds fun? You find limp-dick guns with no feedback fun?
You find linear %boosting skill trees fun?

>>386414562
I understand and agree with every point besides the dialogue wheel. What's wrong with it?

Mass effect 2 is better in every way. The meme that ME1 is an RPG and 2 isn't is retarded. The only thing ME1 has that 2 doesn't was a clunky inventory screen.

>>386414869
i enjoyed the writing as well as the universe that was created inside the games itself

you seem to enjoy shooting generic husks over and over in a corridor

>>386414898
This,

>>386414497
Literally nothing can ever beat the antagonists of fallout like Lou Tenant, The Master, Elijah, and Joshua.

>>386410401
RPGs can never be good anymore, any downtime with the combat and people tune out.

>>386414497
I want a space RPG not a post-apocalyptic RPG

>>386414898
They had different atmosphere. I won't say ME2's was worse, but it was different enough that people expecting it to feel like ME2 with better gameplay were disappointed.

The best way I can describe it is that ME1 felt like an 80s sci-fi movie, while ME2 felt like an early 90s action movie. Both good, but not the same atmospheric vibe at all.

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>>386415049
>i enjoyed the writing
Generic, safe and plagiarizing. There's nothing unique about ME1's premise that hasn't already been done in countless other media.
>the universe that was created inside the games itself
What the fuck does this even mean? Buzzwords are not an argument.
>you seem to enjoy shooting generic husks over and over in a corridor
If it's fun, sure. Only the SP has corridor shooting, the meat of the game --which was ME3MP-- isn't a corridor shooter.

You should deepen your pool of game knowledge before you try to argue that ME1 is better than ME3, because objectively ME3 has more over ME1. Perhaps you should stop bandwagonning and realize "babby's first wrpg" isn't as good as you think.

>>386415361
This thread was talking about sci-fi rpg's, post apocalyptic sci-fi rpg's are much better anyway. You don't need space when you already have alien creatures like giant scorpions, wanamingo's, Deathclaws and FEV mutants.

>>386415430
>The best way I can describe it is that ME1 felt like an 80s sci-fi movie, while ME2 felt like an early 90s action movie. Both good, but not the same atmospheric vibe at all.

ME1 was The Terminator

ME2 was Terminator 2: Judgment Day

ME3 was Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines

>>386415430
At that was intentional. Bioware said rhey wanted ME2 to be like the Empire Strikes Back to the first game. It was suppose to feel darker than ME1. The atmosphere in ME2 was still pretty damn good.

>>386415771
Also Alien vs Aliens.
Both good movies but different vibes to them.

>you now remember playing ME1, and reading every piece of the codex, and getting excited for how great the trilogy will be

>>386415771
ME1 was the original star wars trilogy
ME2 was The Phantom Menace/Attack of the Clones
ME3 was Revenge of the Sith
Andromeda was the Holiday Special

I just pretend me1 never got a sequel

Me2/3 are okay games but to me they are unrelated

>>386416170
But ME2 was better than ME3.

I've had this game in my Steam account forever. What should I know going in? I heard that some shepherd configurations won't transfer to the next two titles?

>mass effect 1
>writers: drew karpyshyn

>mass effect 2
>writers: mac walters, drew karpyshyn

>mass effect 3
>writers: mac walters

>mass effect andromeda
>writers: John Dombrow, Cathleen Rootsaert, Chris Schlerf

>>386416110
>ywn relive a series getting progressively worse in the manner ME did
Feels good

>>386416272
not really no

>>386416503
go home stanry

>>386414445
I'm just referring to the massive uproar with the initial ending

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Alpha Protocol was better.

>>386414767

no she was a potato on inside and out

>>386416778
lol no that game fucking sucks as much as you do anthony

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>>386416794
You are a potato inside and out

>>386415617
I like space, though.

>>386416876

nah uh. your mom is.

>>386416778
>much like ME1
>another game /v/ massively overrates

literally a 6/10 game at best. AP had some great ideas, too bad Obsidain is so shit at delivering on those ideas.

>>386416170
The dumbest fucking analogy on /v/ right now.

>>386412297
this.

>>386410401
It was space fantasy, not sci-fi.

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>>386416960
Space games all end up being fucking generic and boring. Only two space sci-fi's Halo and Titanfall broke the mold a bit but one was ran into the ground becoming hideous, generic and fucking retarded while the other one with the greatest single player story campaign is shoved to irrelevancy due to being forced to release between two normie magnet franchises.

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>we will never get a good sci-fi rpg
>furthermore we will never get one with proper aliens

The Technomancer

>>386412820
>PTSD flashbacks
You mean his/her dreams of molesting children in wooded areas?

>>386412297
>go pick up your crew the fight a fetus

The entire plot is basically shepard being a shuttle driver to an abortion clinic. not exactly the most awe inspiring space opera.

>>386418301
yes

>>386412297

Terrible writing.

We need a good space RPG, something where you start out as a newfag pilot and you gotta work your way from the ground up. No MMO bullshit, keep it single player. We need something like a Blade Runner game, or hell, even a good Star Trek game where you start out from the bottom and have to work your way up to being a captain of a Constitution class ship.

A Blade Runner game would be dank as shit though

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>>386418236
>tfw Bungle can actually design aliens that aren't masks and paint and alien worlds
>can only make fps games
What a fucking oxymoron.

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ME1 and ME2 were good games.

ME3 had surprisingly decent multiplayer, but everything else sucked.