Super Smash Bros. Melee is a crossover fighting game developed

Party game*

Great thread op XD

Falco is a character in Super Smash Bros. Melee.

Fun party game

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>>386382791
>Mario is a character in Mario Kart 64

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>>386382579
newfag mod doesnt know melee threads have always been allowed and was even stickied during EVO 2016

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>>386382579
Reminder

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Lot of threads getting deleted in the past few minutes, Jannie must be really fueled up on hot pockets.

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Also Low Tier City 5 is on @ Tourneylocator on twtich

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>>386382885
>Zelda 2
>The Zelda at the end of the game is a different Zelda than the one in Zelda 1

>>386383060
Smash factor 6 just finished

Sfat cucked La Luna and s2j chokes hard

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>>386383332
So I guess Fox doesnt lose to Marth??????

Syrox beat s2j before can he beat Wizzy?

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>>386383332
Business as usual, huh. Fucking s2j.

>>386382579
My boyfriend is autistically addicted to Smash Bros. and I hate when he rattles off stats as if Nintendo purposely put all this detail into this fucking game.

Also, Pikachu a best, Falco a shit.

>>386383472
Wizzys worst match up are the space animals so its a possibility.

wasn't this supposed to start a fucking hour ago or did i fuck my timezones up

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>>386383537
Into Melee they did, you should try and actually listening to him homofriend

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>>386382579
Let's derail this into a better topic.

Suppose ASW made a successor to pic related but as a competitive 2.5D platform fighter with the visuals of Xrd/DBFZ. The "Smash killer" if you will.

What would be your realistic guess for a roster?

What sort of mechanics would you like to see?

Do you think it'd outdo Smash?

>>386383940
>anime
no

>>386383940
this is a low key melee tourney thread because newfag jannies deleted the old one, sorry to ruin your fun anon.

>>386383871
>Into Melee they did
>the only game without character specific introductions
no?????

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>>386382938
>Plup, the depressed white boy who'd shoot someone every time he loses
>Wizzy, the acne filled robot who takes 10 minutes to plug a controller in a console
>Hax, the crippled meme spouter
>Chudat, the "Yehyuzz" wobbling faggot
>Abate, the Luigi main

No. This image sucks dicks.

>wobbles actually goes to a tournament
>goes falco

>>386384064
Jannies deleted by Kizuna Ai Let's Play thread and gave be a 3 day ban for it. I getcha, dunno what's up with them. Sorry for the misunderstanding anon, I thought this was gonna be a smash shitposting thread. Enjoy your thread.

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>>386384158
>character specific introductions
What?

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>>386384196
Okay, hungrycuck

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>>386384289
pretty sure we're autosaged rn so wont be for long, fucking jannies.

>>386384301
>implying

Hungrybox is no better than the faggots I mentioned.

>>386384296
You know how in Smash 64, during the 3 2 1 go Mario would come out of a warp pipe or in Brawl he'd jump out of one and say "Let's-a go!"?

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>>386384471
oh we're not, nevermind.

>>386384486
wtf

>>386384289
>ironic weeb meme celeb

>>386383537
>as if Nintendo purposely put all this detail into this fucking game
How else would it get there? Also I think Nintendo just published. HAL put it all there.

Hugs came so close to losing to bananas. He was about to get last game sopo'd but clutched it.

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>literally who ice climbers make top 8
Why does this happen so often? Also the dude kind of looks like this retarded guy off youtube.

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>>386384961
we're in the darkest timeline now, IC mains coming out from every state.

thank you chudat

>>386384802
>implying I like it "ironically."

I'm not ashamed about what I like anon.

>>386382938
Only one I disagree with is plup, everyone else on that side is without a doubt /ourguys/

That game was a fucking mess

>>386382938
get rid of chudat and add n0ne

why would you put literally who shitters in losers bracket on first

Or

You guys can just head to /vg/ where threads like these belong?

>>386387616
/vg/ is for generals

>>386387616
obsessed

My only boi is westballz. He found the cure to sleep inducing Hbox matches: slide-off multishine shows

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LETS GO HUGGIES

>>386382579
can't wait until all controllers, all copies of the game and/or all Gamecubes become unusable :)

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>>386388058
>My only boi is westballz
fucking this

>>386388058
I can agree with this
I like Wobbles and Axe too, but I don't think they count as "our guys"

>>386388186
You can play on a wii with an iso or dolphin with any controller. Hope this helped.

Will Nintendo ever make a good Smash again?

>>386382579
Why does this game triggers people here so much?
Why people hate good games like this?

>>386388805
no
>>386388951
/v/ hates anything with depth because they are scrubs, other side is fgc fags which just hate that Smash is at EVO.

>>386388951
they're redditors from /r/kappa

>>386389054
What is this kappa thing you talk about, I saw some people talk about it on a capcom thread in night

if you developed a person in a lab, i don't think you could make them geekier than wizzy

>>386388752
You can't play it in those formats competitively.

>>386388805
Probably not.

For one, HAL labs is responsible for Melee, no Sakurai, and they're gone.

Second, right now they're trying to get their foot in the eSports scene with Splatoon and ARMS, but once those two fail to properly catch on to the necessary degree, they'll probably stop bothering to try to get into that scene. Simultaneously, Melee is losing numbers fast, and Smash 4 simply doesn't have the same lasting appeal, do Nintendo will see that natural decline, as a decline in interest in competitive Smash. Likewise, you've got people currently chomping at the bits to create a Smash clone to take away from that audience, and while all current attempts suck, eventually someone's gonna nail it.

Nintendo simply don't see the gain in competitive scene worth the loss of casual accessibility. And the Switch just isn't built for Smash either.

On the other hand, where DO you take the franchise from here? Smash 4 can't really be improved upon in terms of content, and when in dire straights, Nintendo does like to fall back on their core fans and give them what they want... so... maybe?

I have my doubts though. Smash 4 seems to me like they went all out, but Sakurai likes to have his way in designing the games, and he seems to have a degree of spite for the competitive fans. Plus, it's not like they made BotW a difficult or "hard core" game, they only marketed it that way. Mechanically, that game is as casual as all the other recent Zeldas despite promising a return to roots, if that's any indicator for the future of Smash.

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>>386389935
>still has a qt asian gf

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>>386382579
Interesting.

>>386384727
>>386384727
Have you never played a Smash Brothers game other than Melee?

>>386388186

>In the future working Gamecube controllers will become rarities and a barrier to entry to comp melee will be even possessing one.

*up throw nairs you*

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>>386390296
>mad max: melee edition
I can dig it

>>386390000
>Melee is losing numbers fast

The fuck are you talking about? Melee has done nothing but grow for the past two years.

let's go wizzy

>>386382579
Just a reminder that Melees competitive scene is all based off bugs and exploits.

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>>386390476
It literally lost those 18 months of growth this year.

The wave is over. Melee will never fully die out as long as the Gods play it but they are also what's stagnating the scene and simultaneously keeping it alive. Once one of them gets fed up and leaves, it's over.

Would be cool if Syrox won this. I want to see him become more than a tech skill meme player.

>>386390652
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEA9QSM1BUU&t=200s
I always try to find this video when someone makes a Melee thread

do any of you guys play "regular" fighting games

I play a lot of melee and I'm having a lot of trouble trying to find a character I actually like in Tekken

it doesn't help that everyone online seems pretty decent

>>386390867
Well this comparison isnt fair, compared to last year this year hasnt had nearly as many tournies. Unless this is counting the same tournaments that continued on to 2017 of course. No doubt Melee isnt on its growing period anymore though.

fuck you syrox

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literally me

>>386390985
literally none of this is relevant to competitive or just complaining about hitboxes

G I T
U
D

>>386391294
I trust my ability to ledgedash more than my ability to impress a girl in the club

>>386391135
Yes only old KoF and old capcom games

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>>386391371
>Wobbling
>Not relevant to competitive

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fuck

>>386391570
>video complains about fox's kill moves on jiggs
>next clip is complaining about jiggs's kill moves on fox
??????

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what in the fuck happened lucky

>>386390867
Just because nationals numbers aren't as high doesn't mean melee is dying. Most of the growth happening now is in locals and netplay.
I think its also that a lot of people are realizing majors like evo aren't actually that fun to go. Most people just go 0-2 and then hang around until finals so why not just watch finals at home and save money?

syrox feels like the most cookie cutter fox to exist

>technical
>SDs a lot
>muh ledgedash

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>>386391371

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>>386391821
This this this, I'm honestly still surprised so many people go to Evo still.

>>386391371
>gitgud
So what you're saying is... "play as Fox or don't bother," right?

Imagine if other fighting games relied on a meta where you only had 8 viable characters, and one was so broken that he had a massive advantage over the rest.

>>386391998
There is no relevant Fox right now that is as technical as Syrox, not even Hax with his shitty box.

this other commentator is good

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>That one player that always catches your turnips

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>>386392151
>forgetting twink nip sabreman

>>386391135
Most Smashfags don't play other fighters, they just play Smash.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13614993

>>386392453
Last I checked, Marth wasn't SS tier.

>>386392151
>one was so broken that he had a massive advantage over the rest
Only someone that doesn't play Melee and has no idea how it works would say this.

>>386392736
>tiers
>matchups
pick one

>>386392583
Reminder that Smash is a kiddy brawler.

>>386391135
If they made another Garou, I'd pick it up in heartbeat. Too bad SNK is all jewed out now.

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>>386392737
Triggered much?

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>>386392583
>73% of the poll plays another fighting game
Are you retarded anon?

>>386392921
wow! amazing well informed argument!
you've sure convinced me

>>386393047
I allowed for multiple votes anon. You can slash most of the votes in two. Also, the majority of "other" votes were for Brawlhalla, RoA, and Project M. If you want me to link you to the Reddit and Smashboards threads, I will.

Alternatively, you can make your own poll with two options, and run it through the Smash community.

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>>386392921
>makes retarded argument
>gets called out
>wow triggered????

>>386392583
Why is this bad?

>>386393430
>I allowed for multiple votes anon
Stopped reading there, you're a fucking dumbass. If you wanted a real poll/data you wouldnt be using strawpoll anyways.

>>386392796
Wake up call: all games are for kiddys

>>386393430
Seems like a pretty shitty way to hold the poll if you're trying to support the claim that smash players don't play other fighters.

>>386382579
>98 replies
99 now. never fails

>>386392583
>your'e game is bad because you don't play these other ones
can someone please explain this?

>>386393618
It's not "bad" in and of itself, but combine it with the attitude most Smashfags have about "Melee being the best fighting game" and "Melee requiring more skill than other fighters" or pretending to know about fighting game mechanics or the fundamentals of fighting games or my favorite yet: fighting game archetypes (because Space Animal is totally a fighting game archetype), not only does it not paint a pretty picture, but it also explains a whole lot.

My question is, why are Smashfags so obsessed with Smash? And why don't you have the open-mindedness to try other games?

Respect for those of you who do btw. The rest of you are manchildren though, especially those of you who pretend to know a lot despite only playing Smash, and this goes double for the 5 gods.

>>386393817
The poll wasn't made for shitposting, I was genuinely curious, disappointed by tge high number of Smash-only votes abd replies though.

If I were to make tge same poll over at SRK or Dustloop, asking "what other Fighting games besides SF/GG do you play?" And the exclusive votes would be a minority.

>>386394173
I only play Magic, why should I be open minded to other games?
And you seem easily triggered by retarded shit others say

fucking meme climbers

>syrox

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>the desolate craggy wasteland blizzardzone of colorado

>>386384486
That was the dopest shit. I wish they brought it back in Melee.

>>386394616
Don't pretend to know shit about fighting games if you only play a party game that relies on glitches and exploits to have a competitive scene. Simple as.

Also, I'm not the one getting triggered by a strawpol and a statement.

For me, the biggest takeaway I got was that Smashfags will only ever play Smash, and Smash clones, and this will prove unhealthy for the platform fighting genre, as anything that deviates too far from the familiar will be met with scorn.

I had a lot of people call me out for not having Brawlhalla and RoA as options, and when I explained that other Fighting games like Darkstalkers, Skullgirls, DoA, Garou, Samurai Showdown, etc... would take priority over that due to having a healthy competitive scene at sone point, and that the "Other" option was there for anything I missed, they got pissed at me, and retorted defensively about how Brawlhalla is better balanced than SFV. It's just the arrogance I see within the community, combined with the lack of knowledge. Especially when you consider that other platform fighters besides Smash exist. Which is what prompted >>386383940

Honestly, the genre has a lot of potential, but you Smashfags need to tone down your elitism, you don't know shit.

>>386395345
>a party game that relies on glitches and exploits
Every time. There is literally nothing wrong with this.

>>386382579


Nice introduction, but keep going.

>>386395345
lmfao stay mad everyone shot down your bad anime post

>>386395345
>party game that relies on glitches and exploits
lmao here we go

>>386395345
God damn you are fucking autistic

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>everyone brings up how melee uses glitches and exploits
>despite the fact that combos were a bug

>>386395506
one might say he was obsessed

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https://youtu.be/sfQ75gr2znA

>We will never have another moment like this because Nintendo abandoned E3

>>386395450
Not really, I let it go cause this was supposed to be a thread about the latest Smash tournament.

>>386395506
>>386395483
>>386395426
Stay triggered, but until you start playing other fighting games, you don't have any room to talk.

that was sick

>>386395707
friendly reminder SFII's combos are a glitch :)

>>386395345
Good thing I play other games, why are you so mad?
You really need to learn to not take retards seriously
And yeah you are triggered just look at your wall of text over some trivial shit like the opinions of some retard mouth breathers

For fuck sake wizzrobe

>>386395564
Saying something is bad because it's an exploit is retarded. Without exploits, we wouldn't have comboing in Street Fighter, or bunnyhopping in Quake.

>>386395707
>Say stupid shit
>Get called out
>lol triggered
This is the modern equivalent of going ''u mad?'' Step the fuck up, anon.

>>386395707
what a fag

this is a fun matchup

>>386396131
sucks ass for samus tho

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We have this thread several times a week and it's always the same.
>It's not a fighting game
>You can't define fighting game
>It's a party game
>Party game is not a genre
>You're autistic
And then once the people who are angry that others like Melee fuck off, there's some discussion about recent tourneys, balance, general bullshit and then it 404s.
What do you even wish to accomplish by posting these retarded things? Do you really get off that hard on replies?

>>386395769
If you play other fighting games, then I'm obviously not addressing you, am I?

I'm strictly speaking about the obsessive mindset of a certain part of the community, and how unhealthy that is for the scene, and platform fighters in general.

If are the sort of person open-minded enough to get into other scenes, the congratulations, you're part of the solution, and the people who are cool. You can't sit there and tell me that Smash staying to its own little cult and bubble, is in any way healthy for the growth of the community.

>>386395789
None of what I said is wrong. Otherwise feel free to point it out.

>>386395345
Why are you assuming I dont play other games?
I even mentioned playing magic the gathering, I do play old arcades games too, new fighting games are shit,
You remind me of that capcbro from last night capcom thread screeching how fgc will die if people dont buy SF or some shit like that
GG and Blazblue look ok

>>386396131
I don't play Samus, but it looks like pure suffering.

>>386396336
fun to watch, at least

Wizzy's probably gonna win

I don't know his record vs Lucky but I'd put my money on Wizzy

Hugs isn't significantly better than Wizzy so the matchup fucked him

>>386394390
That's not really shocking. Considering how different Smash is from other fighters, of course there's going to be more overlap between with SF/GG players and other games of the genre than with Smash players.

Either way, the poll allowing multiple votes makes the results really hard to analyze in terms of figuring out how much cross over there really is. You can't say "Most Smashfags don't play other fighters" with the results because you don't know the number of people that voted, only the number of votes per category. All you can say with those results is "73% or less percent of smash players play other fighters competitively", which doesn't mean a whole lot.

>>386396234
>None of what I said is wrong. Otherwise feel free to point it out.
Let's start out with the most obvious one.
>A party game
Can you even define what a party game is? If not, what's the point in continuing?

>>386396269
That Capcbro was an idiot, and he goes into DBFZ threads all the time to start shit.

I was in that thread and I told him that he was full of shit, that Tekken and Guilty Gear will stay alive, that DBFZ is unlikely to fail, and that a LoL fighting game eould be dope.

2nd:
What does MtG or arcade games have anything to do with fighting games? The question is simple, how can you claim to know shit about fighting games if you don't play fighting games and only play Smash, brushing them aside like that, and calling them all shit is part of the reason the FGC hates Smash.

>>386396234
Why do you care about some obsessed retards?
There is literally no reason for you to care about this shit

>>386392229
ice/kjh

>>386396781
>and calling them all shit is part of the reason the FGC hates Smash.
And I suppose this isn't at all an issue when Capcbros shit on every fighting game that isn't SF? For fuck's sake. People have opinions. Live with it.

>>386396781
Did you skip this part of my post
> I do play old arcades games too, new fighting games are shit,
I ever recognized that BB and GG are ok

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>>386396781
>this retard is still posting

You really don't have anything better to do?

Give it a rest mate, we get it, you don't like smash. Do you want a medal?

>>386396781
>What does MtG or arcade games have anything to do with fighting games?
Are you retarded?
Or just pretending. that anon says he plays the arcade versions of some fighting game

I disagree with the idea that people preferring Melee over other Smashclones is damaging to the genre. It's as if you're trying to guilt trip people into buying games they won't enjoy, just to support an idea that might spread to more competent developers.
If no other game can capture their interest and the genre dies, then let it be. They'll keep playing Melee forever.

>>386396781
>arcade games have anything to do with fighting games?
So you are underage?

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yfw Sakurai fixes melee for the Switch VC release and shine gets removed

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Speaking of Melee, how did you feel when early 2000s culture finished up in 2006?

>>386397665
If they were to re-release Melee, I doubt they'd really do anything with balance.
I'd be perfectly happy with a PAL release and some of the more ridiculous glitches(freeze glitch, Stadium clipping etc) removed.

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>>386397665
>shine gets removed
>Fox down b now instabans player from Switch

>>386397795
Nintendo died for me with the wii

>>386397795
>Steve irwin died

STOP REMINDING ME

>stock samus
haven't seen it in years

>>386396631
Do you want the threads to read over them? I was in there talking with most people over what they like.

One also got deleted by a Smashboards mod because apparently the discussion wasn't appropriate for the Smash 4 general forum. The Melee forum kept theirs up, Smash 4 mods were more cuntish about it.

>>386396674
It's a platform fighting game, and it's not designed or balanced for competitive play, it's balanced around 4 player FFAs with items, ergo, the sort of thing you'd play at parties, same as Mario Kart, and other 4 player games.

"Party Game" isn't a genre, its genre is platform fighter, which is a subgenre of fighting games. Party game, is what it's referred to due to it's lack of competitive focus in its design, and this is not something you can argue with me on, as the creator of the series admits this. Can it be played competitively? Ofc it can, but then, so can anything. Is it designed and geared for competitive play? Ofc not. It's designed for casual gathering with friends.

>but you can play it however you like
Ofc you can, I'm not denying the game has potential, but a lot of it relies on arbitrary rules not coded into the game to make it work, eg. banning stages, banning certain styles of play, banning certain exploits, relying on other exploits, banning Smashboxes, only having a small portion of the roster be viable, etc...

Wheras other fighting games give players a lot of freedom to play as they choose and still be competitive, Smash is very restrictive in its parameters for competitive play.

This is the result of a game designed for casual fun and parties, being played competitively. The former on the other hand is what happens when you create a game geared to enhance competition.

Hence, "party game."

>>386397795
Good god, the 7th gen was so fucking bad.
>Terrible graphics
>Terrible performance
>Huge scumfuck jewry
>Gamer culture
I know that the 5th gen was pretty trash with poor graphics and framerate, but at least we didn't have to deal with the insane business practices of today.

^ autism

>>386397935
cont.

This is not to say platform fighters can't be competitive, it's just to say no one has really bothered to properly design one. Same as you could have played Budokai 3 competitively, we never really got a proper competitive DBZ fighter till DBFZ (unless you wanna count Super DBZ).

>>386397512
Nah, you're right, thus far all of them have sucked. But Icons is the perfect example of this mindset. Rather than go out and make a unique and original idea for a competitive platform fighter, they make a blatant Melee clone.

And this is the result of the narrow tunnel-vision most Smashfags have for not playing other fighters.

>>386397795
>Early 2000s went from 9/11/2001 to 12/31/2006
Why was this generation so short?

>>386397935
>This is the result of a game designed for casual fun and parties, being played competitively.
And it works. So, what exactly is your problem? It's survived for over 15 years. Something obviously went very right, even if it was a beautiful accident.
I just don't understand why you seem so up in arms over this. People play Melee competitively. Why do you care?

Quite honestly I wish this game had a sequel because Melee is like absolute best of a bad situation. The game's full or weird retarded shit like Yoshi's Z axis grab and half the characters being shitty.

>>386398440
there is a timeline where Brawl is like PM and I want to go there

>>386398313
>>Early 2000s went from 9/11/2001 to 12/31/2006

Are you being sarcastic or serious? Because I actually agree with you.

>>386398286
>And this is the result of the narrow tunnel-vision most Smashfags have for not playing other fighters.
Meanwhile, actual fighting games have been the exact same for decades and no one will ever give a shit about games that try to shake up the formula. Is this the fault of fightingfags refusing to play other games?

>>386398314
You asked me why I referred to it as a party game, I answered your question.

Also, I dunno why you and other anons are assuming I hate Melee just cause I'm critical of it. It's easily in my top 10, but the game is far from perfect, and incredibly broken. To assume that Melee is the pinnacle if what could be achieved by platform fighters is exactly what's holding the genre back, and also a huge reason why the rest of the FGC hates Smash.

Liking something doesn't mean you lack the ability to see its flaws.

And going back to my main point, if more of the Smash community bothered to play other fighters, they wouldn't be so narrow-minded in their scope, AND they would be taken a lot more seriously by other fighting game communities.

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>>386392583
>no skullgirls
What a rip off

Hugs would play Sagat if he played SF

>>386398949
Why should people that like Melee play other fighting games? They obviously don't enjoy them. This is like telling Quakefags to play Counter-Strike. Doesn't make sense to me. You don't have to enjoy everything.

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>>386398586
>Meanwhile, actual fighting games have been the exact same for decades and no one will ever give a shit about games that try to shake up the formula
But they haven't, and if you actually bothered to play them instead of sticking to only Smash, you'd see that.

>Classic Fighters
>Air Dashers
>3v3 Fighters
>3D Fighters
>Arena Fighters
>Sports Fighters
>Platform Fighters
>Action Games/Beat Em Ups

But I guess it's all the same to you...

>>386398949
Considering the state of current fighting games I dont think so
By the way nice of you to out yourself as an underage here >>386396781
Most good fighting games are on arcade

>>386399257
>arena fighters

Kinda unrelated, but is Pokken the only one to ever be at EVO? If so its tied with Kart racers for representation.

Here is the Reddit thread. I see way more love for other games than I do hate. There seems to be one autistic group that can't let things go, and it's not smash players. https://xx.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/6reudp/what_other_fighting_games_besides_smash_do_you/

>>386398949
>the rest of the FGC hates Smash

/v/ isn't the FGC. The "animosity between Melee and FGC" meme is purely shitpost fuel for internet children who do not actually attend events nor are actually any part of the competitive FGC or Melee community. If you'd ever actually been to an event you'd know that even at the general pot-filler level the two communities are buddy-buddy in particular between SF and Melee.

This is just cannon fodder for internet autists who don't actually go out to tournaments because that would mean leaving the house and so they think that the internet is real life and if they go to an event with both games the players act like two opposing teams in an anime and skulk past eachother in resentment and competition when in reality. And then at a top player level there's a huge amount of respect and crossover friendship. That's what happens when you actually leave the house and meet people and spend weekends together at the same events.

>>386399548
>linking to reddit
Kill yourself fag

what

>>386399697
TORIYAH

*blips rapidly*

>>386390000
>Smash 4 simply doesn't have the same lasting appeal
Way to lie faggot

>>386397935
>>386398949
Again, I don't doubt or even disagree that Smash players usually keep to their own. My point was that the poll doesn't prove it, yet it was presented it like it was compelling evidence.

I don't even disagree about what you've been saying about some Melee players' elitism, but I don't understand what knowledge of other fighting games has to do with anything about acknowledging the game's flaws or why it's holding back the scene. The genre's are different enough to where there isn't really much overlapping knowledge between them to compare, so it's not really gonna help, and you can appreciate/respect another fighting game scene without directly participating in it.

>>386399153
I'm pretty sure most Quakefags play other shooters since Quake has been dead for ages now.

I know my friend does, he plays Battlefield and Tactical FPS like Rainbow Six, and he used to be a major Quakefag back in the days.

Not only that, and we've discussed this problem with the Smash community multiple times. It's that almost autistic worship of the franchise that makes them insufferable. CnCfags have no problem playing Starcraft, and Total War, for example. Hell, I was a massive RA2 fag back in the day, and played in the pro scene, and when SC2 came out, I gave it a go cause I'm willing to try something new.

This goes double for game devs, how can those Wavedash guys be willing to make a fighting game when their only exp is Smash, and haven't bothered to play other games?

If I'm gonna make a TBS game, I'm gonna play every TBS I can find, from Fire Emblem, to Advance Wars, to FFT, to Tactics Ogre, to Sengoku Rance, not just Fire Emblem, call it the best, and make s clone of FE4.

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>play Yoshi at my locals every week
>usually break even at best 2-2 or maybe I'll get 3 sets
>one day decide to just use my Falco/Marth secondaries for a fucking change
>get third at the entire thing

I guess I'm just gonna play these characters now.

>>386399319
I know most fighters are on arcades, but so are so many other games. And since he cited MtG as experience, it didn't seem to me like he played fighting games even at arcades, especially when he followed it up with: "most new fighting games suck dick anyway."

To me, that seems like a clever way to eschew the point.

>>386399615
I have a sneaking suspicion that the people who hate melee players today, where the same people who got butt hurt about people playing Brawl competitively. Tourneyfag used to be an insult, now everyone is a third strike veteran who hates the casual focus fighters have taken.

ungh

>>386400031
>"most new fighting games suck dick anyway."
That is true

curse of the syrox

>>386400678
>screencapping your own post

>>386399815
I get what you're saying, and I get that the games are different, but the fundamentals of fighting games are the fundamentals of fighting games. How can one claim to know anything about what makes fighting games competitive, when you haven't bothered with the other scenes? I believe that broadening your scope is only beneficial, not otherwise.

And it's not cause I think that everyone who like Melee should just jump over to something else, but it's cause I've often gotten into discussions with Smash players, and have seen a fundamental lack of knowledge or just plain misunderstanding/misuse of various concepts or elements in fighting games
And again, the most visibly telling example of this is that Icons game, and how strongly married it is to Melee. Or all of the Smash clones like Brawhalla, or Brawlout, etc... It's like no one ever bothers to look beyond Smash and into other fighters that also are very accessible or have complementary mechanics, or hell, even at other Platform fighters, many of which don't even use percentages. No one gas bothered to go to the root of the genre, and create something that works competitively from the ground up. Everyone just copies Smash, cause "Melee did it best" but I disagree with that sentiment, and if the rest of the community bothered to look beyond just Smash, they'd start to see why.

Smash isn't the only way to make a platform fighting game, nor is it the ideal. Smash bring a lot of cool new thing to tge table that other fighters could learn from, but the inverse is also true.

>>386400678
but smash 4 is the newer game and that's at evo japan

>>386400574
It's not. Only the Capcom ones.

>>386400678
>Make post
>Get one reply
You tried though.
Speaking of EVO Japan, anyone else here kind of excited about it? I don't really watch Smash 4 often, but the Japs seem to favour a more offensive playstyle.

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>>386398949
>just playing devil's advocate haha :-)
Your argument is wack. Sticking to Melee is not good because it's not the absolute perfect ideal of a "platform fighter" (whatever the fuck that entails), so you better go learn from other games... like SFV, which everyone surely knows is the pinnacle of traditional fighters. Please, they're flawed too.

I mean, what is this argument even? Go watch an artist paint a portrait of a dog's nose because you want to record the sound of a dog sniffing? Who's to say that what's good for a traditional fighter is good for a game like Melee?
>>386399829
>tactical FPS and Quake
Appreciation for those games is usually pretty distinct. Obviously you aren't going to like fucking CSGO for the same reason you like Quake - so, again, what's the argument here? You better get into CSGO because Quake would be better if it had an AK and bombsites in it? Fuck off. The nuances of genre are more real than you think.

FWIW actual Quake duelers usually don't give two fucks about non-Quake FPSes. You have to literally pay a Quake player (see: Overwatch) to give it up for something else. Shootmania, Reflex, p much all failures cause Quakefags autistically want the real thing too. You see the same shit in CS, come to think of it. They play GO because it's where people are, but deep down they all want to go back to Source or 1.6.

>>386400678
This was understandable, but a huge bummer. The Japanese scene is super passionate. aMSa's tweet was heartbreaking. Hopefully with 2gg coming back into the scene may be able to bolster the foreign communities.

>>386401129
woof woof

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>>386391294

>>386401143
>aMSa's tweet was heartbreaking
What did he tweet?

>>386401027
I would be excited if they had melee. I mean it will be neat to see all the the japanese smash 4 players who don't get out of the country but I really want to see the same for melee too.

>>386400927
>Everyone just copies Smash, cause "Melee did it best" but I disagree with that sentiment, and if the rest of the community bothered to look beyond just Smash, they'd start to see why.
Nobody cares about that shitty anime game you posted because it's a piece of shit. Stop crying.

>>386401027
I am, but you are super wrong about the Japanese players. Japs are super defensive, and Americans are aggressive. Mexicans and Canadians are also sometimes aggro (not MK Leo) and Europeans are boring. I'm actually interested in ARMS, their tournament rule set is different to the American one. It'll either be exciting or boring as shit. Japanese Street Fighter should be great though.

>>386401617
>interested in ARMS
Kill yourself

>>386401219
That pic you replied had barely any ebonics you high school drop out

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>>386401743
I have two options.

>Admit I messed up
>Dig the hole deeper

Check the spoiler for the answer

>>386401219
>Listening to 105.9 right now and the girl just came with a good one about I love Lucy about Lucy's race and she said she was black and white! Ha!

Wow so hard to understand.

>>386401693
Why?

>>386401129
Honestly, when it comes to Quake and its clones, I can't talk as I don't follow those scenes, but if its clones failed, its probably for the same reason the Smash clones are failing, rather than expand the genre, they're just shamelessly copying the original. And what do you know, when Quake died, so did Arena Shooters. Do you really think Melee will live forever? It won't. If the genre is to expand, the community needs to look beyond Smash. And I'm not putting the blame on the people refusing to jump onto these shitty clones, cause I'm right there with them in that they suck. This goes for the creators as well. But in the same vein, a new game making a new take in the same genre won't survive if people are too set in only wanting to play Smash.

Fighting games would have died ages ago if everything was a SF clone. I know many people here like to meme that they are, but they're not.

As for what makes a platform fighter?

Simple, it's a 2D fighting game with stocks rather than rounds, where ring outs are viable options, and freedom of movement is more of a focus with platforms to further enhance this. Many of the mechanics of platform fighters are taken from 2D platformers as well.

Examples:
Smash Bros.
The Outfoxies
Jump Super/Ultimate Stars
Digimon Rumble Arena
Naruto Narutimate Hero
PSABR
etc...

>>386402093
>The Outfoxies
Don't remind me of that spoopy game

>>386402274
>spoopy
you have my attention

>>386402093
What I would love is a game that takes Melee's wavedashing and combat mechanics and puts it into a genuine platformer. Like Adventure Mode, but not shit.
It'd be dope as fuck to have a game with cool movement system and the ability to waveland and shit all over the place, while beating the fuck out of things.

>>386402328
One of M2K's friends, Shepard Lims, was making a game just like that. I remember cause M2K asked me to make art for it, but my art was really shit at the time so I silently dropped out if it. Dunno what happened to that project though, this was like 4 years ago.

>>386402683
>M2K
>Friends

wait really

>>386402328

Adventure mode would have been amazing if they had time to finish it. The first 2 stages and F-zero/zebus were good. I heard PM made SSE pretty good with the physics change

>>386403579
PM SSE is actually sick. It has some problems with custom music but its totally playable.

>>386404048
Do the bosses have the proper sounds?
Last time I tried playing Galleom and Duon had Mewtwo and Roy's sound effects.

>>386404191
I don't remember. It really depends on which version of PM you use.

>There are people who don't main Kirby

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>>386402093
I'm glad you seem to have dropped the argument that Melee players need to look at traditional fighters for some reason. I wouldn't say the opposite should hold, either.

Shootmania was anything but a Quake clone. It had some pretty innovative ideas. It failed because it ultimately wasn't as fun or as interesting as Quake, and you can only pay people to feign interest in a game for so long if you're not getting big money.

I know what a platform fighter is - but what is the ideal form of one? By all accounts, Melee is the best iteration we're ever going to get. It fought a fucking uphill battle for 90% of its competitive lifespan and STILL ended up vastly more successful than its imitators or competitors in the genre. If (by comparison) fringe games like TFC are still straggling along in the year of 2017 with some PUGs still churning by, Melee won't be totally kaput anytime soon. Which is good enough for people who actually like Melee. Yes, there banned stages and items are off. And? "Why isn't competitive CS played with 12 people instead of 5? Why not hostage maps instead of defuse maps? Why don't they allow 6 heavies in competitive TF2 and play all the matches on 2fort?" Because that's what's fun and what works. Yes, there are imbalance issues and glaring technical errors. What are players going to do about that besides literally patch the game? I blame Nintendo for relegating HAL to Kirby games until the end of time.

I also don't see why smash fans in particular are to blame for other platform fighters not catching on competitively like Melee has. I don't blame Terraria fans for Starbound failing.

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QUICK don't be a pickle and post your mains!

>>386404449
Since I haven't got a response yet I'm just gonna assume I won this internet argument yet again heh, time to sleep

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Who wins in the Fox vs Marth MU?

>>386405484
fox/falco

I keep a pocket falcon for marths too.

>>386405484

Samus. I'm not good, I just spam tech skill. It's pretty great.

>>386405625
Fox

>>386389051
It's not that Smash is at EVO, it's that there's two of them every fucking year now. Smash players have Genesis and other Smash exclusive events, Mr. Wizard knows where the money is and having both obviously is great for the exposure, but it's still trash.

>>386405484
Sheik
>>386405625
Fox on every stage that isn't Final Destination.

>>386405625
Marth is literally impossible to beat as Fox, even the most braindead retard can win 100% of the time.
It's so one sided and bullshit.
t. Leffen

>>386405970
I agree that there probably should be only one Smash game at EVO, if any. I love Melee, but I wouldn't be that upset if it got off the main stage. There'd still be side-tourneys and they can be really hype.
Hell, if 3rd Strike can do it, there's no reason why Melee wouldn't.

>>386406131
EVO should just be longer with more games. If it was more like a week long convention with like 3 top eight broadcasts a day it would be more beneficial for every fighting game.

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>>386388139
Is this billy Herrington reference?

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>>386404449
>>386405538
What argument anon? All you did was say "heh I won" and "Smash is da best." That's literally how you can sum up both your points in that last post, and you didn't address any of my points. I wasn't arguing to win, I was arguing to express my POV and reach common ground, seems to me like this was more of a playground squabble to you were you felt the need to prove something.

If it makes you better to believe "you won" then go ahead, but it seems to me you learned nothing at all. Making this completely pointless. Which is a pity, cause I actually had some respect for you in the middle of it all as you seemed like a reasonable individual, but I guess I was wrong.

I can't reply to a non-argument anon. So I went and had a fap before hitting the hay. But sure anon, "you won" not sure what you're trying to argue here, you won the playground squabble on this anonymous image board, enjoy your upvotes... oh wait!

>>386405647
you black? blacks love Falco for some reason

>>386408013
If he was black he would have a pocket Doc.

>>386397795
Whoever made this picture forgot that the Large Explosion Hypothesis first aired in '07

>>386395345
Kys shitposter.

>>386382579
I love playing Melee when I have people over. Its a great way to create some friendly and casual competition between friends

>>386411425
LMAO meleefags are gonna be so triggered by this xD

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>>386412425
NOOO ITS NOT TRUE

>>386406379
Would massively cut down on entrants. It's a lot harder to take a whole week off to play video games than just a weekend.

>>386412930
could you be any more obvious

>>386399257
>platform fighters
you mean smash brothers?

keep pulling unrelated shit out of your ass