What happened to games that you could just... play? Why does

>>386342018
I can't think of a single game that's fun to play that is a skinner box

>>386342394
Here are some games of recent (last few years) memory that I finally got sick of, even though I absolutely loved playing them until realization hit in:
>Black Desert Online
>Terraria
>Path of Exile
>Dungeon Defenders
>Binding of Isaac, even worse in Rebirth
>Nioh
>XCOM 2 isn't grindy bullshit as much as it just rolls the dice on immediately killing off your whole squad and forcing you to restart
>Borderlands series at later difficulties
>Hearthstone
>WoW

>>386342791
>Nioh
Nioh is a skinners box?

>>386342018
It sounds like you just don't like RPG grinding, is that it?
Don't play RPG's, bam you're golden. I get the feeling you're more of a Freespace 2 kind of man, rather than Freelancer 2.

>>386342018
>games you could just....play?
Because not everyone wanted to play Tetris and Snake for the rest of their lives

>>386342791
>terraria
M8

Because people dont want to play video games. Skinner boxes are for people with no real life goals or motivation to sink their time into some artifical timesink. Games like PUBG and Overwatch are just played because "well its popular and uhh yea".. Games that focus purely on self improvement do not have large enough audience to be part of the big titles.

>>386342814
In Nioh you can survive the first difficulty just fine by picking up the already randomized drops you get through the game, but it's usually enough to live on.
In any of the NG+es it has, and especially the recent DLC's two new ones, it goes complete apeshit with the RNG drops and if you don't want to spend literal minutes fighting ONE REGULAR GUY with a constant threat of dying in ONE HIT, you have to grind up that gear. Oops, didn't get the reforge stat upgrades you wanted before you ran out of cash and materials? Better go grind again!

>>386342817
Could be. Why does so many RPGs force the grind though?
Of recent memory the only RPG (or at least game I count as one; leveling up, finding loot to upgrade, allocating stats) I can think of that just sticks with me through every replay is the Souls series. The only real grind you have to do there is killing enemies for their souls (currency).

>>386342914
Even if it's lazy, AFK farms still count m8.

>>386343081
>Work all day
>Come home
>Cathartically start wiping out mobs from one side of the map to the other
I think the imaginary motivations you have for people are cute, but are about as close to real human behaviour as realty TV.

>>386343191
Because, anon, RPG's are defined by character building. There was a pretty significant amount of grinding in dark souls as well. I think you're looking for shorter, more linear games and there's no shame in that.

>>386343269
its very normal to work and have no goals and then continue it with doing even more repeatitive tasks after you get home

>>386343363
No, Anon, in none of the Souls games do I ever "need" to go grind something. You get upgrades along the path, more than enough to max out your favorite starting weapon if you so wish, and it's always going to carry you through the final cutscene if you feel like it's fun enough to use. Even then, a lot of players haven't even seen a Slab before killing the last boss in either game, because it isn't required to do so. "Get good" became a meme for a reason, but "get good" doesn't apply to games where you can't defeat the bosses by just playing good, instead you have to grind until your character can survive it.

>>386343363
Oh and
>shorter
>more linear
I don't feel like that's relevant. A game can go on for thousands of hours if it's just fun enough. It immediately stops being fun enough when you are locked out of the fun though.

I've played TF2 for almost 3000 hours, for instance. There is no such thing as an RNG grind to just play that game. Matches are short, I guess it's expected in an FPS game, but it's replayable infinitely.
TF2 I've only gotten tired of because of lack of good updates, and idiotic removals of things everyone took for granted would stay. Not because of an item grind. (Well, technically items drop on an RNG platter, but you've almost always been able to just spend less than one dollar to obtain every single weapon through effortless trading with bots. The issue here is how new players aren't given a clue that they can do so.)

>>386343967
So wait what's the difference? Since there's nothing to work on in TF2 it's more accessible to you? How does that make any sense?

>>386344271
>nothing to work on
See Anon this is exactly what I'm talking about. You shouldn't have to "work on" games to make them worth playing. Work isn't games. Grinding is essentially unpaid work.

TF2 was just an immediate thought I had, I haven't even played it for maybe a year thanks to the devs fucking up the server browser and other changes.
But what about it? To enjoy some TF2, you start it up and hop in on a server, and play because the gameplay is fun (or you don't if you don't like it, I'm not here to argue TF2's level of fun).
To enjoy some Nioh, you have to sit there and grind for literal hours to get an upgrade you need to be able to continue playing the game.

Well do I make any sense at all? I don't know anymore.

Hell even more 'casual' games like Pokemon does this shit, don't it? I haven't played any recent one, but basically these days if you don't find the right one with the right stats, the right abilities, the right behavior or something, etc it goes right into the trash? And to top that off, if you want it in another color, you have to grind for shinies with like a 1/8000 chance or something?

>>386345223
>basically these days if you don't find the right one with the right stats, the right abilities, the right behavior or something, etc it goes right into the trash
Only if you are a smogon tier touneyfag

>>386342018
>>386342791
They are only Skinner's Boxes to people that play them for many hours every day.

Same with the open world hate.

Normal people play vidya 10-15 here and there.

Open worlds and grinding feel like quick escapes and distractions while they relax momentarily before moving on to tasks or hanging out with loved ones.

This is why don't get sick of it or feel like they are in engaged in a repetative action.

>>386345516
Are you meaning to say that I play games too much, when it's the only form of entertainment that has stuck with me through life?
Like if I don't play an entertaining game, I sit around and wait until I get tired enough to go back to bed- and work, rinse repeat. I have nothing else to look forward to.

Although that's not really the point here. Just thought I'd... put down my thoughts on it?

>>386344642
As someone already stated, you play the wrong games. I stop playing a game as soon as i feel like its "work", which happens very rarely. Also you might have just played too much and it started feeling like work, to which i can only suggest for you to go on a couple of days without touching a game.