Is Final Fantasy 3 the worst mainline game? I've never

I think 1 and 2 are worse desu. I think the reason that nobody really talks about 3 is that 5 is just a better version of it in every way.

>>386288194
It's the game that first brought jobs into the series, so whatever flaws it has it'll always have that going for it. No one talks about it cause theres not much to talk about. Like 1 and 2, the story is pretty non-existent and the characters didn't even have names or personalities until the ds remake, which was ages later.

I don't think it's as terrible as others make it out to seem. Does some dumb shit like job levels and weakness effects when switching jobs. I like the concept of bosses needing unique teams but when it happens it's stack 4 mages or dragoons.

2 and 14 1.0 will always be considered the lowpoints

>>386288194
No. It's one of the better ones, and the best 8-bit FF.
People in west just have less nostalgia for it, as it never officially got released in burgerland and EU.

>>386288374
This. 2 is really the worst one, but 3 is just so unnoteworthy that there's not much to discuss about it. Sure, it introduced stuff that influenced the series a lot later (jobs, most of the mainstay summons), but it doesn't change the fact that it's just inferior to the later entries in series.

>>386288194
No, that's 2. And 13

>>386288374
>I think 1
You don't think then

I really liked the Famicom version of 3 but I just could not get into the remake for some reason

>>386288194
I, II, and XIII are all worse.

>>386289083
>No, that's 2. And 12
FTFY

>>386289297
you meant I, II, V, VIII and XII, didn't you?

>>386288194
>I've never ever seen anyone mention this when talking about the series, what's up with that?
It never got officially localized until the DS release. FF3 is alright, better than FF2 in a gameplay and world sense. But still simple due to the nature of it being from a Famicon-era RPG.

Albeit that DS remake tried to spruce up the story a bit and introduce the party members one at a time instead of dumping a case on you from the get go.

>>386289363
What's wrong with 5?

No anon, haven't you heard yet? FFXV is the worst because it's bad!!!

>>386289451
Just about everything, to be honest.
Never finished it as it got boring and tedious.

Job-system was a mistake.

>>386288194

2 is the worst.

>>386289363
I did not. V, VIII and XII are all good and if you like XIII you should probably kill yourself.

>>386289363
>implying 12 is bad
Too hard for you?

>>386289545
My only complaint about it was the story, but to be fair most FF stories aren't anything special.

>>386289498

It's not the worst, but it's definitely in the bottom three with II and XIII.

>>386289126
I mean, obviously it was massively influential for it's time, but it really doesn't hold up well.

>>386288194
It's because 3 is the most boring game in the series.

It's not very good, it's ancient so most people haven't played it, anything it did well was done better in its successors, it never came west until its DS remake so it's not a nostalgic classic, its not weird or controversial enough to warrant discussion like FF2, FF8 or FF13. There's nothing going for it.

>>386289820

Wrong on both accounts.

>>386289798
XIII wasn't even bad

>>386289887
This
It's not a bad game but it doesnt out well compared to the rest of the series.

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>>386289982

>>386289798
Meanwhile 13 is a trilogy. Sorry.

>>386289982
Hallway Simulator 13 is worse than bad, it's an embarrassment.

>>386289982

Stop it. The combat was serviceable, but not until the end.

>>386290209
Lightning Returns is a fun game.

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>>386289923

>>386288374
I like 2 a lot more than 3.
2's leveling system is more rewarding because you're always slightly improving all your stats on a per-battle ratio.
It also had a better story and the best soundtrack (however 3 was great too).
4 is superior to any other though. If only it's basic battle theme didn't suck dicks.

>>386290870

Original FF was just a Wizardry clone, and actually holds up better to this day.

>>386290886
4 is what laid the path that led to 13. Hyper linear with a boring world with a shitty story.

you mean the one with tera and the espers? i hear peole mantion that all the time OP what are you smoking?

>>386288194
>Is Final Fantasy 3 the worst mainline game?

That's 2. 3 is simply forgotten.

>>386290870
fuck you link you little smug piece of shit

>>386288194
It's bad because the game is a ridiculous grindfest.

>>386290886
>If only it's basic battle theme didn't suck dicks
WTF anon

>>386288194
2, 13 and 14 are the worst ones

3 is just archaic

>>386289498
>>386289798
XV is in the top 3 best FFs.

>>386288194
13, 8 and 2 are much worse

it has the best fuccbois

>>386291892

Go away XV-kun

13 wasn't all that bad though.

>>386292117
Go away XIII-kun.

>>386292262

Yes it was. It even manages to be worse than XV.

>>386291464
FFIV battle theme is only better than V (which is terrible in every regard) while IV's boss battle theme is fucking fantastic.

>>386291128
More fun than the shitty semi-open bullshit we got with 6 that was just fucking boring to progress.

>>386292407
Seeing as XV is the best FF that's a given.

>>386292407
I just finished 15 couple months ago for the first time, and I gotta disagree with you there.

I had nothing to look forward to in XIII, and I avoided it for years because of all the bad things I'd heard of it. In the end though, it ended up being the best FF game in a decade.

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>>386288194
>worst mainline Final Fantasy
>anything but the game that was so bad that the devs had to literally nuke it and rebuild it from scratch

>>386288194
no, it's just real boring. It's basically 1 with slight changes, not worth talking about. Same thing happened with 5 till it got this weird cult following recently

2 is the worst mainline game by a landslide and literally one of the worst in the genre ever released.

3 is just mediocre, 5 exists and renders it kind of pointless to play.

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nope

>>386292572
XIII-kun detected.

>>386292553

Stop trying to impersonate him.

>>386292578
>game that was so bad that the devs had to literally nuke it and rebuild it from scratch
>turns out to be one of the best FF games

don't see the problem

>>386292719

Replace 8 with 15.

>>386292719
replace VIII with IX or XII

>>386292850
>don't see the problem

The fact that they released such a heinous piece of shit in the first place.

>>386292873
no

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>>386292719
>>386292653
>>386291814
>>386291335
>>386289615
>>386289297
>>386289083
>>386288830
>>386288374
>le ProJared said FF2 is bad so I think that too now :)

>>386292845
Stop shitposting XIII-kun

>>386292892
hahaha

>>386292928
I don't watch videos by that ostrich looking faggot.

I played FF2 on the PSP and it traumatized me it was that fucking bad. literally unplayable.

>>386292928
No FF2 is bad because people played it and realized it was bad.

>>386292873
Nice try XIII-kun.

>>386292928

FF2 has been considered one of, if not the, worst Final Fantasy for ages.

>>386292928
I knew FF2 was terrible more than a decade ago you underage faggot.

>>386292928
people have been saying ff2 is the worst FF for well over a decade

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>>386292924

Yes

>>386293060


If that were the case, I'd say to replace XIII with XV, but I didn't.

>>386292601
5 has a much better story, better world design, better characters, better class system and better bosses.
It absolutely fucking sucks flaming cactus monkey dicks in terms of music though. Such a huge step down from IV that no other FF ever got so low.

>>386292601
>Same thing happened with 5 till it got this weird cult following recently

Noticed the same fucking thing. Which eceleb brought it up?

>>386293180
Not saying 15 isn't bad, but it's better than 8

>>386292928
>have to hit yourself to level up because the leveling system is broken garbage
>have to use magic actual thousands of times to level it up
>huge dungeons full of empty rooms
>opening doors drops you in the middle of the room so you have to walk back and get in battles
>endgame level enemies that one-shot you that you can't even damage or run from literally 10 tiles south of the starting tile
>characters leave all the time making leveling and buying equipment pointless

the story is alright and the music is great, the gameplay is fucking terrible, literally as bad as shit like Hoshi wo Miru Hito and Super Monkey Daiboken and Lunar Dragon Song.

>>386292928
Who the fuck is projared

>>386293485
Inoffensive eceleb who gave a solid review of FF2.

>>386292601
>recently
V's been loved buy job system fags for a while.

It's bad rep came more from the shit translations by fans and the shit official one for the PS1 collection.

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>>386293431

>but it's better than 8

Please explain how.

>tfw unironically liked 13

The music and atmosphere were cool enough to get to the part of the game that didn't feel boring. The challenge bosses were also fun imo

>>386293485
insanely ugly eceleb who looks like a bird, gave Metal Gear Rising a 2 out of 10 because it was too hard.

>>386292928
>FF2 is good now because some guy I don't like said it was bad
Okay

the problem with 3 is the shitty remake that made all kinds of questionable balance decisions, had an awful 3 enemy limit and didnt fix things that were actual problems with the original (like the massive gauntlet at the end of the game)
the nes ff3 is better than the remake

>>386293621
Main game dungeons and pitioss are more fun than anything in 8. Both games story/combat system suck dick

>>386293180
Your new tactic is to shit on XV at all costs even if you have to shit on XIII in the process, you're transparent XIII-kun.

But good job reposting that pic with the same filename again confirming it is you XIII-kun.

Also good job ignoring they aren't asking how to make a game, they're asking fans what they want to see first out of those things because they're doing all of that and want to set a priority order to give fans what they want the most first.

>>386288194
I actually liked it very much, great soundtrack and the story is ok, great oldschool JRPG.
I found the game to be very hard though.

>>386293872
the remake had way better music and cut out about 100 hours of grinding.
100 actual hours.

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I don't think it's fair to say II is bad. It certainly hasn't aged well and man oh man did they fuck up the skill advancement system, but I think its main problem is that it's so much worse than the games that came after it... when it was brand new, those were all seen as innovations and some of them just didn't pan out and certainly haven't aged well.

That considered, I'd still put 2 towards the bottom of my list, but at least it's not XIII.

Final Fantasy 3 is one of my favorites in the series on the other hand. I don't like the "Worse FFV" meme, and don't get me wrong, I like FFV a lot too, but I like the job system better in the remakes ofFinal Fantasy 3. Cross-job skills in FF5 feel clunky to me and the lack of direct upgrade jobs such as Black Belt over Monk just makes it feel a little less rewarding. I don't think FF3's job system is perfect, of course, but I do like it better than 5. Refia is also the best non-MMO, non-side game girl in the entire series, and this is absolutely not up for debate

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>>386288194
It's the only FF game I've been able to keep interest in through the first few hours. Playing it on DS, having loads of fun.

>mfw dual wield shields as viking
>FUCKING INVINCIBLE

>>386288194
I would argue 2 is better just because it gives you more freedom to break the game in half and get equipment you really shouldn't. At the very least it makes the game less of a chore to beat

>>386293892


I agree the dungeons are nice, but at least 8 had decently sized cities to visit and a likeable and varied cast.

>>386293941

Please go be insanely autistic somewhere else.

>>386292719
Replace 8 with 4 or 9 and then it's accurate

>>386294081
>8
>likable cast

Please stop posting

>>386294037
>Fucking invincible

Garuda would like a word with you, son

>>386288374

The worst is definetly 2, I really really love 1, but it has to be any of the remakes, not the original.

Shame no other FF explored the "open world" feature like in FF1 except for the last part of FFVI. Something the SaGa series does a lot, but maybe those are a bit way too open for my taste.

>>386293621
XV has better characters, better combat, better villain, better protagonist, better graphics, better animation, better designs, better setting, better music, better atmosphere, better dungeons, better detail, better lore, better story and especially better ending.

>inb4 nuh uh

>>386294142

Not an argument.

>>386294090
>4
lolno

3 is just normal
Nor very good, nor specially bad.

I liked 3 a lot though, I would like a prequel game with the Dark Warriors

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>>386293576
>shit translations by fans and the shit official one for the PS1 collection
kekekekeke

>>386294179

These are all subjective.

9 is simply better to most people because it more closely resembles an FF game. It's the weakest of the PS1 games though, by a mile. I still believe both 8 and 15 are bad.

>>386294179
>it's better
This isn't an argument

in reality 3 is one of the best games in the series

>>386294081
XVs cast is more likeable than anyone in 8, and they are plenty varied too.

>>386294320
>9 is simply better to most people

Meant 8.

>>386292601
>>386293361
>Recently
Stop shitposting

>>386294360

Yeah nah, you're delusional.

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Someone make an XV thread to lure this autistic retard away.

>>386294081
Even 15's cast is better than 8's what the fu k are you on about. Ardyn alone is better than the entire character base of 8

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>>386294320
So then why fucking ask.

>>386294332
Yes it is. I can just post this webm of Aranea and it's better than anything in 8.

>>386294148
>fighting garuda first time
>two lightnings on the first turn and everyone is fucking dead

>>386292928
no anon 2 has regularly been touted as one of the worst FF's in cycle with 8 and 13
I still like 2 decently but agree it has flaws. Id rather pull teeth than play the older versions though, the dawn of souls port made the game so much less grindy

>>386288194
The events take place in the same planet as FF8.

>>386294525

Okay.

>>386294081
>8 had decently sized cities to visit and a likeable and varied cast.
Not an argument.

FF15

Straight up.

>>386294631

8 having interesting locales to discover in completely and argument, fuck off.

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3 was my first FF game, and I thought it was pretty good. It's also been years since I've played it, though, so maybe it doesn't hold up all that well.
Been playing 5 recently and that's been pretty fun, so maybe I'll revisit 3 after I'm done.

>>386294449
No it's objectively true.

>>386294494
Fuck off XIII-kun.

>>386294550
I dont remember this happening is it during one of the dlc's I refuse to buy?

>>386293576
Was the fan translation really that bad? It's the only one I've ever played through.

>>386294670
XIII-kun detected.

>>386294550
>My opinion is correct
>All I have to say is it's better and it magically is
>posts dlc but not 15 itself

>>386294550

I asked for reasons, not subjective bulletpoints with no argument behind them.


Quistis is hotter btw.

>>386294689
How far into 5 are you?

>>386294686
The "cities" aka prerendered backgrounds were all smaller or as big as lestallum with nothing interesting going on

>>386294916
Just got to World 3

>>386294764
It's out as part of the game so you have no excuse.

Welp, abandon thread. The autistic FFXV retard is here.

>>386288830

Thread should've ended here anyway. 3 was simply overlooked and forgotten.

>>386294790
Nah, it's OK. It's the PS1 translation that's the ultimate stinker.

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>>386291267
jej

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>>386294030
Why? Job System is better just by being able to mix-match jobs, furthermore, the Jobs in V are much more varied than in III considering they have many more skills to play around with too. With 3 all you had was one skill forever and that was it.

>and the lack of direct upgrade jobs such as Black Belt over Monk just makes it feel a little less rewarding.
That's one of the worst parts of III Job System, sooner or later your old Jobs will end up useless because something better will come later. Furthermore, a good half of the Jobs are completely useless as well although the remake fixed a bunch of the Jobs so you can play around with team compositions more though but some Jobs are still not worth using and some were nerfed to uselessness like Sage.

Saying that III Job System is better than V Job System is disingenuous, It is an improvement in nearly all aspects.

All this said, I'll always be sad that the 16bit 2D remake of III never came to be.

>>386295023
Was it some of the extra story bits they added after the fact? I beat the game around christmas and havent touched it or my ps4 since.

>>386288194
It is completely underrated, has the best OST for NES Final Fantasy games, dungeon design is much, much better than II but the story falls flat compared to II.

The few things I disliked about this game (NES version) is that magic accuracy goes to absolute donkey shit, job changes are necessary for a few bosses and lack of balance in jobs. III DS fixes a lot of the balancing issues, removes magic accuracy and changes the spell casting mechanic from charges to MP.

It has it's charm and a great first impression, and the sound track makes it that much better.

https://youtu.be/V9xyV-Rz5Jk?list=PL9A3A7FF8667E44CB
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>>386294790
I mean it has Bartz as Butz

>>386288194
15 belts in that picture

>>386294689
3 is good, the problem is, mostly everything it did has been done better later. It's not bad at all, it's just, basic. I deeply enjoyed my first play-through of III, Crystal Tower+Dark World is one of my favorite experiences ever. You feel really accomplished after beating it.

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>>386294842
1: That DLC is part of XV and takes place during chapter 12, saying "b-but dlc" is not an argument
2: It is better and that webm proves it just by applying basic common sense.

>>386294923

Deling City alone was bigger than Lestallum. Fuck off you retarded shill.

>>386295087
Mix-matching jobs is clunky, like I said
I agree the jobs are more varied, this is one thing I like about FFV
You get Black Belt so late into the game that it will actually be weaker than Monk without some grinding... obsoletion is really only a problem for Black Mage, White Mage, and Red Mage
My opinion being different doesn't make it disingenuous, I don't think you know what that word means

Anything else?

>>386294565
The fight is literally a race to beat him before he does lightning on consecutive turns before you get a chance to heal. This is why Dragoon is good - increases your odds with its insane anti-flying damage

>>386292417
When I think of terrible FF battle themes I think of VI and VII's, not IV or V.

>>386295250
>it is better because I said so and it magically is all of sudden
>this webm proves it because I have been defending xv for 4+ years, so pls stop arguing with me!
go away xv-kun

>>386295024

Just report and jgnore him. He ruins every FF thread.

>>386294854
Quistis is nowhere near Aranea level of hottness. You said how is XV better and I listed things it does better. It's not my problem you're in denial. Unless you honestly think 8 has better graphics or animations? Or that you seriously think Squall is even remotely as good as Noctis and that 8s sorry excuse for a villain comes close to being Ardyn's level of charisma and charm while also being a threat.

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>>386288194
>mfw the best damage in this game is a class nobody seems to realize the potential of

>>386295560
>I listed things it does better

Which are all completely subjective. Only a moron would think 15 has better combat than 8.

>>386295606
Scholars are shit, even in the DS remake.

>>386295606
>Double damage Flares and Holys in the end game

and then when you run out of them...?

best damage output is monk, black belt, warrior, ninja, black mage

>>386295250
so wait im this anon>>386294764 and confused so that is DLC correct? You didnt give me a concrete answer the first time. If so fuck that jew shit especially how blatantly obvious it was that parts of the game were missing just for dlc money. I thought the game was ok up until the end part where you hobble around insomnia with the only the ring but DLC should have no sway on a game being good or not I refuse to buy that shit that is an extremely obvious cashgrab only existing because they dicked the game in the first place

>>386295264
No it wasn't you dense fuck. Having static backgrounds with 90% of it inaccessible doesn't make it bigger

>>386295731
In the DS remake the high end tier items that you can easily stockpile of by stealing with a Thief do insane damage. They are also amongst the best damage dealers throughout the game if you keep a healthy supply of items by bringing along a thief for random encounters (and you should if you're gonna be using a Dragoon).

The only downside to scholar is the low HP growth.

>>386295852

Neither does having invisible walls and inaccessible buildings in the background.

>>386295447
XIII-kun I see you have no actual argument.

>>386295716
And he only said "it's better" but rarely elaborates why
And when he does, they're always shallow reasons

>>386295762
>running out of them

Do you really need more than 10 for cloud of darkness?

When you run out of them you just steal some more.

Also
>double damage flare/holy

White Musks do way more than holy.

>>386288194
FF didn't get good until IV

>>386295716
Anyone with a modicum of taste would acknowledge XV has a superior battle system to 8.

>>386296006
If it didn't get good until IV, why is I still one of the best games in the series?

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>>386295143
>When you enter the Crystal Tower for the first time and the music plays

>>386295087
>Mix-matching jobs is clunky, like I said
Clunky how exactly? Can you elaborate?

>You get Black Belt so late into the game that it will actually be weaker than Monk without some grinding... obsoletion is really only a problem for Black Mage, White Mage, and Red Mage

Except old jobs become obsolete even before you get their direct upgrades. I'll use your Black Belt example, there's no reason to use Monk even before getting Black Belt because Knight is 100 times better than Monk, and then you get Dragoon, Viking and lastly Magic Knight which will make everything before it obsolete too because it is the hard hitting physical job by then. You don't even need to go back to it for HP gains because you could just use Viking later on for that. How about other Jobs such as Bard, Ranger or Thief? No reason to use them at all, ever, Thief is so useless you can replace him with keys you can buy enough for the whole game for less than 10000 Gil.

White Mage is the only one Job that will last you through the whole game only to be replaced by Wizard and then replaced again 5 minutes later with Sage, and then also have all physical Jobs replaced by the Ninja at the same time.

The Job balance is III is completely whack. Your opinion is not "different" it's plain wrong.

And for clarification, I'm talking about the NES game here, the DS game does away with most of these issues. Obsoletion still remains though but to a much lesser degree and mostly to the first set of Jobs.

>>386295828
Oh it's you again from the last thread

>>386296061

Only an underage child would prefer that brainless button mashing over a fighting system that actually requires strategy. Granted both games are very easy because they throw OP items at you like nothing.

>>386289798
Bottom three is II, XIII, and VIII.

>>386295606
Maybe because it's stats are SHIT

>B-But double-item damage
You can do the same shit by throwing Shurikens or just stacking Haste on your attackers and not having to grind for items.

>>386295956
You're not making any arguments to begin with
Shallow statements like "A is better than B" aren't arguments. Explain yourself and then people will actually try to argue with you
>XIII-kun
You called at least 3 different people that already, you are still as paranoid as ever

>>386295952
Lestallum has more you can walk over thus bigger, there is no invisible walls in lestallum either, but hey its ok when older FFs are crammed with them right?

>>386293180

Man this pic just shows how fucked SE are right now. No idea what they're doing. Bust out the 7 remake out if pure desperation.

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>>386294090
>replace 8 with two of the best FF's

>>386288194
I've only played 1-7. 6 is the worst I've played(and I played in the order: 7, then 1-6 ), but 3 is a VERY close second.

>>386296317
>Lestallum has more you can walk over

It really doesn't. That "city" is fucking tiny.

>>386293621
Anything is better than 8. 8 had absolutely no redeeming qualities aside from Triple Triad, and even that's tainted given it's association with the awful Queen of Cards questline.

>>386296171
I havent talked about ff15 in months so it definitely wasnt me. I just wanted an answer on weather or not it was dlc and when I found out through a different reply chain I brought up the fact that it is incorrect to judge a game based on paid content bought after the game released. Not to mention they way they went about it actually makes it worse in my eyes since there was obvious holes in the story left for them to pump it out and charge for it. The difference between good and bad dlc is the 15dlc compared to the 2 witcher 3 expansions that were their own contained stories made after the game had completed and werent parts ripped out of the middle of the story

>>386295958
It adds direct control with more freedom over combat through combos, directional inputs, weapon switching, aerial combat, airsteps, impervious, blink cancels, aerial dodge, dodge rolls, shield blocks etc. You have more freedom with Noctis alone than you do the entire party in 8.

>inb4 nuh uh that doesn't count or 'b-but hold o meme!?"
You can hold input in 8 to auto input from cursor memory, not an argument

>>386288194
It was my first FF game so it holds a special place in my heart

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>>386296000
>Using a weak job like Thief to support a weak job like Scholar

Or you could just run a Summoner or Black Mage and stomp SCH's damage output, I don't see the logic here

>>386296117
Ok, well, I have made it explicitly clear this entire time that I'm talking about the 3DS remakes of FF3 and the GBA version of FFV, while we're at it so I don't know why you intend to argue with me about the original version of the job system. That had even worse problems, every job was obsolete once you had Ninja and Sage

So all this arguing you've been doing about Famicom FF3 is falling on deaf ears. Sure, Warrior will outdamage Monk if you Advance on every turn, but there's no universe in which Warrior outdamages Monk too except for brief periods created by gaps in weapon power. Dragoon is also inferior to Monk in the early game unless you are fighting a flying enemy, and Magic Knight's autoattack damage in the Famicom version does little to justify its otherwise useless abilities, where in the remakes it has the very powerful Souleater

So you just look like an asshole for harping on my opinion without understanding it in the first place

>>386296431
I'd like to hear your opinion as to why.

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>>386296606

>trying this hard to make XV sound cuhrazy

>>386295898
Why would you do that when you can just use black belt and do max damage and have max HP

>>386296606
>aerial combat
>can't even launch enemies
>all you can do is flip around in the air like a retard to stay up there for more than 5 seconds

>>386294449
The only good characters in 8 were Quistis and Laguna, and Quistis got nearly completely written out after disc 1.

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R8 h8 appreci8

>>386296885

The only good characters in XV were..

>>386296606
>holding one button and occasional pressing another is super innovative and amazing trust me you guys this game has deep combat

>>386296680
Maybe it was because I was burned out on already playing 4 and 5 that summer, but I just really couldn't get into the plot. The only subplot I really liked was Celes'. After Kefka blows up the world and you have to rebuild the party was when I just lost interest in the game and I stopped playing after I found Terra.

>>386296726
>>386296854
>>386296938

Stop replying to him.

>>386296280
It's the best mage in the game by far. Has highest INT and higher AGI than Magus, but it falls short with their VIT.

But yeah, you need a dedicated thief with high JL to keep your arsenal fully loaded (or dupe the items).

They can also equip ribbons.

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>>386296198
8 requires no strategy you just button mash attack 90% of the time then the other 10% is moving the cursor down to mash cure, while XV requires more strategy than 8 ever did just from the way weapon and gear loadouts, magic and camping buffs work in XV. Only a child would prefer a turn based RPG because you aren't thinking as much or acting and reacting to things in real time which objectively requires more brain power than just pressing confirm on a fucking word while everyone stands still.

>>386297024
>Mage
>Can't use magic
Hmm....

>>386296283
You may be fat but you aren't 3 people XIII-kun

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>>386297040

>>386297040
8 is a shit game but you obviously don't know how it works.

>>386297120
It can use magic, but why would you when they have item lore as their innate ability?

>>386297040

You didn't even need to heal in XV unless you fought retardedly OP enemies with Thunder attacks.

>>386296437
Yes it does, take off your fucking nostalgia goggles

>>386297130
no I don't
but you don't get a say in these kind of things, you know

>>386297128
>Knows I'm right with every point
>ur fat
This is pathetic, even for you

>>386292928

>He hasn't ACTUALLY played 2

You're one of the lucky ones i guess.

>>386296576
Yeah it is you.

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Why does it have to be impossible to have a thread about a square enix game now?

When will mods ban this autist?

>>386296925
Prompto, Ignis, Gladio, Iris, Ardyn, Aranea, overall a lot more than 8 had.

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I enjoyed the HD remake.

>>386297334
He's ban evaded like 50 fucking times.

>>386297217

Deling City might have been straight lines but there were far more areas to visit. Lestallum has a hotel without a proper explorable interior and nothing else.

>>386297334

He just ban evades into infinity. What people should do is completely ignore him like /vg/.

>>386296907
Pure evil can be interesting if handled correctly. I liked the big bad of FFXIV Stormblood.
His entire endgame - and for the most part, his motivation for conquering a nation - is just to have the fight of his life. Once you give him this fight (after he captures a fucking summoned god just to merge with it), he literally has nothing else to live for, so he slits his own throat.

>>386292578
This is in its own tank of shit by itself. XIV 1.0 was a fucking abomination. Just... terrible.

>>386297383
Eat shit, I'll evade as many bans as I need to.

>get banned
>switch airplane mode on and off
>oops, what ban?

>>386296726
I'm not, I'm just mentioned basic combat features, but hey if that's cutayzee to you it just shows how much it shits on 8.

>>386296854
Oh it's SBK91. ignoring that you have vulnerable states on the ground and they serve the same exact purpose.

>>386296925
Noctis, Ignis, Prompto, Gladio, Ardyn, Aranea, Iris, Cidney, Cid etc

>>386296938
>t-that doesn't count
So just like I said you'd meme post after getting BTFO

>>386297014
Stop replying to yourself

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>>386297595
ban mobile posters

People who argue about Final Fantasy games are a dime a dozen.

Good containment thread, god knows you guys will not discuss half decent games anyways.

>>386297130
Literally not an argument.

>>386297172
Yes I do.

>>386297212
You are knocked into 0hp frequently in XV , stop bullshitting

Interrupting this argument to remind everyone that there is a crapload of unused japanese text in the DS versions files for the remake of this game.
https://tcrf.net/Final_Fantasy_III_(Nintendo_DS)/Unused_Text
That is all.

>>386297657
just try it XIII-kun

>>386288194
>Is Final Fantasy 3 the worst mainline game?

Not by a fucking mile. Worst is XIV's initial release. 2 is poorly designed but nowhere near as bad. Nobody talks about 3 because wasn't localized until decades later when nobody gave a shit.

>>386297595
>actually admitting to ban evasion just to be an autistic cunt

wew

>>386297260
I already explained why it's better but you pretended like that didn't count.

Fuck off XIII-kun.

>>386297334
XIII-kun samefags constantly and always resets his IP pretending to be different people each time.

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>>386297925
>>386297813
why did you samefag your reply my dude

that is pretty pathetic

I can understand why /ffg/ fucking failed just by looking through this thread.

>>386297793
I'm not sure why that matters when sandbagging with PDs is effortless.

>>386298028

/ffg/ is just nothing but mobage

you have to give them credit for actually ignoring XV-kun until he left for good

>>386297384
>ignores the market place
>ignores the factory
>ignores all the food stands
>ignores the lookout spot
>b-but those are outdoor so don't count
Not an argument

>>386297793
>You are knocked into 0hp frequently in XV

Literally what? The only time that happens to me is fighting Coeurls because they're broken as fuck.

>>386298028
>franchise where 99% cant just have their opinions and discuss stuff while ignoring whatever game they deem to be shit
>ever having a tiniest prospect of a chance at succeeding
Granted it devolved into generals for record keeper mobius and brave exvius

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>>386298028
I don't see how /ffg/ would fail but /khg/ is fine.

You would think they would many times more autistic

also 3 and 12 are the best games in the series

>>386298190
>the market place

A literal Square with nothing interesting.

>the factory

Not enterable outside of a crap mission to kill imps.

>ignores the food stands

lmao

>lookout spot

Nice but not anything special

>not an argument

Neither is your post as it falls flat.

>>386298027
You're replying to multiple people there.

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I've never played XV, but I can tell it's bad considering how desperate this shill is trying to defend every single aspect of it.

Also 3 is far superior to 2.

>>386298405
I added XIII-kun to my filter XV-kun

goodbye

>>386298194
>help guys i have no clue what I'm talking about

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>>386298691

Please put some effort into your replies. Those are seriously the only enemies I ever had trouble with simply because they're broken.

>It's the same group of 3 or 4 people boogeymanning to kingdom come for the past year

Sick

>>386288194
FF3 is great, nowhere near as bad as 2, 8, or 13.

FF6 is the best one

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>>386298324
>A literal Square with nothing interesting.
A bunch of stores for different ingredients, items and stuff, monsters hunts, sidequests, food recipes etc

>Not enterable outside of a crap mission to kill imps
First of all you can enter it, it doesn't matter if you have to take the hunt to do it

>lmao
>t-those don't count
The food stand guy pooring the tea between the cups has more animation detail on him than any random town NPC in 8.

>not anything special

That's 8s "towns" aka prerendered flat static backgrounds

>>386299061

>pre-rendered backgrounds are bad

Next you'll defend Altissia or even Tenebrae.

>>386298492
Nice try XIII-kun.

>>386298780
Nah you're full of shit. Magitek Assassins alone would have sent you to 0hp multiple times when you first encounter them, even on the highest level they still can

>>386296660
>smn and blm

Why run this instead of two meeles? SCH stomps on both of those's damage output combined. Summoner is just good at clearning shit out.

>>386296280
Its funny that you mention shurikens considering they are harder to come by than any of SCH's items. If you're willing to use a Ninja, then you should be willing to use a SCH.

Nobody said anything about running thief in anything other than trash mobs you can kill with a single caster,

>>386299212
>Magitek Assassins
>letting them hit you

>>386297120
>can't use magic

Are we talking about the same game? I never played original, only remake. They are pretty strong in the remake.

>>386295143
>and changes the spell casting mechanic from charges to MP
No it doesn't, you still only get charges in III DS.

>>386299169
I'm not saying they're bad, I'm saying they are smaller than lestallum, and way smaller than Altissia.

>>386292928
literally who

>>386299212

The Assasins were easy to avoid.

>>386298492
I seriously hate all the faggots who hate two.

People who hate two either have:
>never played it and talk shit just because of how obtuse it looks
>treated the game in the same standards as a modern game

The games design is obtuse and clunky but it wasn't unplayable. It also has some of the best characters and story, if you look past how old it is.

>>386299260
The 1st time you encounter them you'd just think they are recolor MTs but they're completely different enemies their skinny attack has like 10 of them all attacking at once which would sent you straight to 0

>>386297334

4chan bans don't work. People just need to ignore him, but considering this is /v/ - that's literally impossible.

>>386299560

2 was designed like complete horse shit, stop trying to be contrarian.

>>386299524
Only by using shields can you completely deflect them and prevent damage, which requires more than just attack

>>386299743

No like you could just walk away and they'll stop following you, or you could just warp past them and let your cannon-fodder team mates distract them.

>>386299363
You know what, I don't think the NES version even has charges iirc. Was that only FFI that had the charge system?

>>386299560
>obtuse

That's an understatement.

>>386299885
>if you run away you win
No

>>386297806
That's neat. Thank you anon.

>>386299897
>I don't think the NES version even has charges iirc.
You are remembering wrong. 3 NES also had charges.

>>386299560
The dungeons in II are garbage and are a complete turnoff, and I want to think that II has the highest encounter rate compared to I and III.
>go through jungle island cave dungeon.
>10s of doors on one floor.
>8/10 doors lead to an empty room with an automatic battle after taking one step.
>1/10 doors lead to a room with automatic battles set before a chest.
>1/10 doors lead to the next floor with a map that has 10 or less doors.

What a crock of trash. Aside from that, the music and story was nice and breaking the game was kind of fun.

>>386299987

Nice reading comprehension.

Wait 3 is considered bad? I loved this game, played a translation of the original famicom version.

>>386300120
I like II and I also have to say that the trap doors are the worst thing ever.

Otherwise, they are okay, the dungeons in the remakes are specially gorgeous. Pandemonium is still one of my favorite dungeons in all of FF

ff9 is the worst mainline game
uninnovative, boring chore of a game
back to the roots my aass

>>386300312

I liked 9, but I'll never understand the endless praise it gets. Overall the game was fairly boring in terms of combat, story, and characters.

>>386299885

This is one thing that annoyed me with XV combat. You could walk a few feet away to just end the fight.

>>386300448
Only the first half of 9 was good.

>>386300048
well fuck me then. i guess i gotta go back to play it.

but it all comes down to which version.

>>386300312
I was actually disappointed with 9 because I was hoping for something more like the originals but instead they had to make magic and abilities equippable again, have linear gameplay with an over-emphasis on story, and fucked up the limit break system. Still a good game though.

>>386300568
Play one of the NES romhacks for more spice.

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2399/
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2805/

I really liked 3. I liked the job system and freedom of making my own party how I wanted. Biggest issues were boss fights that required specialized teams.. biggest problem being the new job debuff or whatever they called it and having to work thru it before you could realistically fight the boss. Biggest one for me being the fight against gigameth or whatever his name was in Saronia.

>>386292719

Replace 8 with 15 and 13 with 14.0

>>386298492
>>386299560
>>386299695
FF2 was an very experimental game and it can be credited for lot because of it. If it were more like FF1, it would probably have been considered as good as at least FF4.

Xande did nothing wrong

>Doga gets super duper magic
>Une gets a dream world
>He gets fucking mortality

I'd be pretty mad too

>>386300120
>>386300254
>muh trap doors
warp spell
try using the fucking tools the game provides you instead of bashing your head against the wall like a retard

>>386292928
What the fuck is a projared? 2 has the worst leveling up system ever created, in no game should you hit yourself to achieve necessary HP levels.

>>386288194
3 had the longest gap of any mainline game in franchise to be officially released in English and by the time it reached us it was pretty antiquated. V and X-2 had already greatly surpassed its job system which felt like a proto FFV. The story is also nothing special either. Its not a bad game it certainly was a step up from 1-2 but none of us really think fondly of because it had already been greatly improved on before we got it.

>>386292928
>I haven't played FFII the post
I don't think any of the main games are bad (even X-2 which is redeemed by an excellent job system/combat) but FFII is by far one of the weakest. Its broken in many aspects, magic is basically worthless without massive grinding aside from a select few spells you can instantly kill the vast majority of bosses with the warp spell. The leveling system had some really stupid quirks like hitting yourself or abusing agility. Thats not even counting bugs fixed from the NES version like Ultima not scaling at all in the NES version leaving the original iteration of one of the series strongest spells useless.

One of the biggest major complaints is the just plain poor dungeon design. Almost every dungeon is filled with doors that force you into encounters and almost none of them actually contain treasure like you would think and it many cases one of the random doors is where you have to go to progress further. Though I do find the final dungeon well designed and it didn't really suffer from this. Soul of Rebirth is also completely fucking stupid if you didn't know ahead of time which characters to prepare you basically just have to get lucky to survive to the town so you safely grind up enough.

tl;dr: FF2 is heavily flawed you haven't played it.

>>386302340
You mean using warp after you're finished descending through the dungeon? Sure thing, but I don't know how the fuck you can even try defending the trap door design.

>>386302434
You people whining about having to do that are the same kind of retards who whine that 8 is easy because they spent 10 hours playing Triple Triad to break the game. You know you DO NOT have to do that at all through the whole game, right? No one is forcing you to do it with a gun pointed at your head.

>>386302434
To be fair, the way the level-up system works, if you went into a dungeon with only barely enough hit points to survive, it tended to even itself out.

Especially with those tornado casting worms in the Jade Passage, fuck them.

Oh, and never have more than one dedicated frontliner so that someone can get some evasion.

>>386302559
>Thats not even counting bugs fixed from the NES version like Ultima not scaling at all in the NES version leaving the original iteration of one of the series strongest spells useless.

Does the remake still have that bug that lets you kill the final boss via Toad?

>>386302565
no, you use warp when you walk into a trap room
it puts you right back outside the door without having to fight anything

>>386302340
Fucking this. Fuck the retards looking through every door hoping for good loot!

Only played 1-7 (and all the side-games)

I barely remember anything about them. The most I remember is from FFVII but that's because it's one of the most recent I played

Is that good thing, or a bad thing? I do remember that I expected II to be the worst thing ever, and I realized it's the same fucking thing like any other FF game. I have no idea why people hate this game so much.

Again, I barely remember anything about these games.
Was the first game about random heroes, and then it rurns out it's some infinite time loop bullshit? Is that it?
Is II about orphans, and some mute brute?
Is III also about orphans that actually don't know they're orphans who are connected in some way, right?
Is IV about....fuck I don't even remember anything other than Lunar whale and shit
Is V about... bartz and he fights evil and his father defeated the evil?
Is VI about terra and kefka and they fight and dude steampunk lmao?

And then for some reason I remember most of the things about FFVII. Why? How? Why I'm writing this? Fuck me.

>>386302721
Right, but the dungeon designs are still shit.

>>386302943
No idea. I'd rather read a shitpost then reading your silly blog post.

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>>386302696
>kill the final boss via Toad
Good times.

>>386303119
Please don't bully

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeswZRHzhDI

I'll post something I remember from this games tho. Really liked that music

>>386302434
You only have to hit yourself if you play it like every other RPG instead of trying to actually learn how the system works. It's basic risk and reward: end a fight with low HP to increase maximum HP. It just fucking works, unless you play FF2 the same way you play every other braindead RPG by spamming healing spells every turn.

The game is designed around this idea. The content after Deist leading up to Mysidian Tower is all relatively easy. Lots of weak enemies, but they have special properties that help to make your party stronger. Some have the swap spell, which will almost guarantee HP and MP gains if it lands and you retain the damage to the end of the fight. Others damage MP on hit, further facilitating MP growth. Later-game monsters deal percentage-based damage, so that gains can continue even if your stats are already highly inflated. You never have to hit yourself in FF2. It's a casual trap that only dumbasses fall for.

>>386302943
Do you have ADHD? Serious question

>>386303649
Why? No, shitty memory maybe. What does ADHD has to do with it?

>>386288194
that's 4

Literally to blame for all the linearity and nonsensical plotness of XIII, and the elements of it in other games.

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Wait a second...
Is this the XIV stealth thread?

>>386288194

3 will always hold a special place in my heart.

>>386302871
>>386302994
Always rewarding the player whenever they do anything isn't good game design.

>>386294179
>better combat
I can't even read the rest of this post, I just keep laughing at this part.

>>386302559
the problem with your opinion is that you are comparing the game to modern day standards.

If you compared it to release day FF1, the game was actually a lot better in a lot of aspects and worse in others. A lot of the things you consider problems are also something people could enjoy.

>>386288520
Technically jobs have been in the series from the very beginning. But III gave us the developed Job System that everyone knows.

>>386297545
Funny you say that. I actually like Shinryu/Zenos and Mateus a lot, they're among my favorite villains, but their motive is lame. Even if they are both well-done examples of it