>482 playing 24 min ago >678 24-hour peak This is what

It's still possible to save it. Relic have to

>>386226668
Relic isnt posting any news and doesnt want to tell the player base what the future is holding for the game.

a Fun Fact for you guys DoW3 doesn't let you change camera or make your own hotkeys.

Why you ask yourself?


Well we don't know Relic is literally silent about anything related to the game.

It sold fine but no one want to play multiplayer.
So yeah they probably going to add last stand or make total war stile campaign to sell the expansion

>>386226791
They actually said why they don't let change camera angle and there is simple mod which allow it.
And relic was always cockblocking people who like to change hotkeys

>>386226854
>last stand
>with current game engine.

Anon... I don't know how I should tell you this...

>>386227548
The only hard part would be gear switching but they could just go for many different heroes without gear

I've never seen a sequel tank into obscurity faster than Dow III. It's a crime what was done to this franchise.

>>386226668
It's dead, it's not worth paying overpaid developers to work on a game with no future.

>>386226854
They need to completly redesign the multiplayer, it's the most boring rts i've ever played and i remember age of empires 1 on slow settings

>>386229413
>I've never seen a sequel tank into obscurity faster than Dow III.

Hello underage.
Cossacks 3 comes to mind as another excellent example.
Act of Aggression is also a great example.

Only reatrds make RTS games nowadays. The writing is on the wall. Give it a fucking rest and try again in like half a decade later when people grow tired of remakes. It's clearly going nowhere at this point.

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>>386226554
>0 marketing
>changes that cater neither to fans of 1 or 2
>didn't listen to criticism and ideas of fans who played beta and gone full "we know better"
shocking it is like when devs make game that they think is good people who don't agree won't buy it

>>386226554
This is what happens when you ignore the campaign which was the major draw for people, and instead focus on a garbage multiplayer and design the art assets and stuff like sync kill removal around said multiplayer

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>still losing players
>already less players than soulstorm
>speeding up to having less players than Retribution too

>>386231190
>only retards make RTS
>says this while Total Warhammer sells like hotcakes and a sequel is coming
Hurr?

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>>386231375

Before Dawn of War 3, i would've called you a moron, but, this is the first time that i play a singleplayer campaign for an RTS that is so bad that it made me lose complete interest in the game.

Although to be fair it's not just that the campaign is bad, it's how many "skulls" and "hero xp" you get from it that killed it for me. I actually did like the MP, sure it wasn't great, but i thought it was ok, then the game came out and i made the mistake of buying it because "hey, the beta was fun, it's 40k and it's relic, what could go wrong?" so i boot up the campaign, and it's garbage, and i would have to play it to unlock fucking everything in MP because everything is locked behind bullshit resources like skulls or experience.

And now everyone stopped playing it so it takes forever to find a game anyway, hell, it already took too long when the game had just come out. It's just shit.

>>386226554
>This is what happens when you don't add Last stand.
I think it's just more what happens when you make a game that nobody wants

>>386226554

They ruined campaign
They didn't add last stand
They completely ignored the community from day 0

whoever was the director needs to be fired along with the community managers

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>the game is so fucking watered down that you literally can't rotate the default camera

>>386231665
Why the fuck world you have called me a retard before DoW3 anon?
Dozens of my friends own all previous DoW games, yet none of them have played the multiplayer aside from occasional Last Stand or skirmish with friends.
Do you realize the actual reason they have bought the games? Great and robust campaigns and in DoW2 an excellent co-op.

No fucking wonder that DoW3 failed when the DoW multiplayer community is a very small minority compared to the "casual" singleplayer and 40k fan crowd

>>386231550
>Total War
>rts

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tfw we will never get Supreme Commander Warhammer edition

>>386231550
Total Warhammer isn't an RTS retard
Or do you consider splinter cell the epitome of fps?

pretty depressing that the only good thing that came out of this game was the announcement trailer

>>386231896
>>386231913
>lmao it isnt an RTS even though battles are half the game and they are RTwP
Wew, I guess XCOM isnt a TBT because there's the strategic layer as well.

>>386230918
I don't see how it's boring, there literally no time to get bored in mp game.

>>386231903

what about dragon quest warhammer?

>>386231758

>They completely ignored the community from day 0

I think this is the single biggest problem with the game, but it doesn't go as far as them not balancing the game or adding hotkeys. I think Dawn of War 3 is a product of arrogance, when Relic made Dawn of War 2 they got really lucky making a game no one asked for that still sold like hotcakes, you might have forgotten this but even though Dawn of War 2 was mostly disliked by the community, it sold and did really well(hence it having multiple expansions and dlc), in the long run DoW 2 obviously didn't do as well as DoW 1, but companies don't care about the long run. And i think they thought with DoW 3 they would just make a game that people would end up loving even if they disliked it at first glance just like with DoW 2, because they were so confident in what they were making.

But this time they didn't get lucky, pretty much no one likes the game and now all plans they had for the future had to be stopped just so they can attempt to fix the game and make people like it, which will end up being a pointless effort in the end because they would have to drastically change almost everything about the game.

So if they had listened to the community when they said "just make DoW 1 again!" it would've been great, but they didn't, they could've even done DoW 2 again, or maybe CoH 3:40k and it would've been better than what we got, and if they had listened to all the complaints and tried fixing them before the game came out then maybe it would've been received better.

But they did none of the above and now for some reason they think that adding new skins will save the game, hell, those 3d artists would be better used in improving the looks of the existing units in the game, since the art direction of the game is another big reason people didn't like it.

>>386232023
>that fucking rollercoaster of hype
>reaching the absolute plinth at the end of the trailer
>then came the screenshots

I've never seen such hype accumulate and dissipate so quickly before with any game, it was surreal.

>>386232038
Total War is turn based strategy and real time tactics. Please stop being retarded.

>>386226791
knowing how GW operates I wouldn't be suprised if they were thinking about yanking their license like they did with fantasy flight.

>>386232221
Remember the post-disappointment defenders? Ah... wonder where they are now...

>>386232038
???
The battles aren't real time strategy if that is what you are implying

>>386232430
It was the epitome of IT'S JUST AN ALPHA shitposting. People thought they were just proof of concept screenshots that'd look nothing like the finished product

>>386232536

It's funny how we went from developers calling their initial reveals "beta footage" to "alpha footage" to "pre-alpha footage", what's next? pre-pre-alpha?

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>>386232023
I remember how excited I was when that came out. The first thing I did was head over to /tg/ and find their thread for it in which it seemed that the entire board was posting.

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>>386226668

At most, they'll simply add the Necrons (most likely it'll just be a simple DLC add-on) before they cut support.

They fucked up by going with the SM/Eldar/Orks triumvirate yet again - it's the 3rd entry in the series and the charm and allure of those 3 races is long gone. Should have been a Necron/Tau/IG starter lineup.

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>>386232957
Or hell, they could've added one of the new factions from the tabletop, like Genestealer Cults or AdMech
Instead we got Knights.

>>386232957

I disagree slightly, i don't think the starter races are the problem, maybe the Eldar, but if they had launched the game without SM and without Orks it would've been even worse(not that this would ever be allowed by GW), i think if anything the biggest mistake is that they did not have a 4th race right at the start that was new and interesting, in this case it should've been the necrons, and chaos and/or IG should've been in the first expansion.

>>386232614
That's the power of marketing & most players not knowing shit about development for you.

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>>386232023
>that art based off concepts from Early 40k
>the atmosphere
>that music
>the symbolism
>the voice lines

>then the in game shit started dropping

>>386226554
Wait... it's out? When did it came out?

Why did I never see any trailer or reviews or anything?

>>386233416
It was revealed May 2016 anon, Christ. How sheltered are you

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Why WHY WHY FUCKING WHYYYYYY would you not add Last Stand? It was successful right? It was so successful you made a standalone version RIGHT? I'm not gonna say that there was a perfect blueprint laid out for the game, but there were good ideas that already WORKED that you could have TRIED. Why the fuck did it have to turn out like this? Why can't there be a good 40k game without it being some kind of fucking monkey paw.

https://youtu.be/Qgs29veFrdE
https://youtu.be/rf_3ZTp4eG4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw7X7itUCVo

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>>386233286
>if they had launched the game without SM and without Orks it would've been even worse

I honestly do think that a lot of people (myself included) looked at DoW 3 and concluded that it looked boring. I maintain that a part of that (maybe not a huge part) is that the initial factions have pretty much been done to death, over the course of 2 games and 4 expansions. They've done everything they can with them.

Imagine if the PoV started with Tau this time around, defending some OC donut steel sept world and outlying planets. The plot can revolve around some crisis suit commander and various other command figures (stealth suit commanders, pathfinders, earth caste scientists, etc). The 'villains' could be some massive IG force that arrives via a huge fleet to murder every xeno they find. The war damages some Necron ruins, who wake up and are vastly outnumbered by either side. They have to race around trying to reactivate dormant dynasty forces before they get completely overrun.

And that's just something I came up with off the top of my head - not amazingly original but at least it's better than
>SM are defending their worlds
>Eldar are attempting to prevent a great disaster at the hands of some unknown force
>Orks are just there to fuck shit up

>WE WANT THE ESPORTS CROWD

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>>386233787
>DoW2 units had 30 min voice lines

>>386233695

It wouldn't be enough to make it good, it would have just added a bit more time before the game truly died.

They fucked up by making a shit campaign.

>CoH, Homeworld, and DoW
It's sad to see Relic lose their way after making such great RTS games.

>>386232319
>>386232473
>you dont have basebuilding so its not REAL rts
Rly nigger

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>>386233787

Seriously, the first two games had some of the best godamn voice lines in any RTS. Especially Eldar.

>The craftworld is our home, and we are her guardians.

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>>386233924

This is ultimately just opinions, and while i personally do find SM, Orks and Eldar kinda boring, in your scenario i wouldn't even have bothered with the game if the Tau were the main faction. The one thing i will agree with you 100% is that the story in DoW 3 is fucking garbage and it is the same story Relic tells in every single 40k game they've made.

If we are just talking about our perfect scenarios, then i would've just switched the Eldar with the Dark Eldar and added the Necrons as a final boss fight at the end, with them being added as a free faction DLC shortly after release.

You have Orks doing what Orks do in Imperial Planets, Gabriel Mangelos goes to the planet to save the day as he does, then it turns out that the Dark Eldar are behind everything, not to avert a great disaster, but to cause it, because a massive Waaaagh will either awaken Necrons or lure them in(i think the Stormlord hates Orks or something) and the Dark Eldar plan to use the giant battle to harvest their delicious delicious agony or whatever it is that they harvest to keep themselves from dying and getting eaten by Slaanesh. And then you have Chaos and the IG show up in the expansion because Slaanesh smelled delicious Eldar pussy and the Blud Ravens aren't enough to deal with Orks, Dark Eldar and Necrons on their own.

But that is a dream scenario, we can sit here and come up with interesting scenarios with different starting races all day, but realistically speaking i don't think GW will ever allow a 40k RTS game to launch without the Space Marines, Orks and Eldar.

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>>386234389
>They greet us from afar!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98c9O_ZQeio

>>386226554
Elite mod for DOW2 is heaps better than this. Please and thank you.

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>>386234504
>in your scenario i wouldn't even have bothered with the game if the Tau were the main faction

Yeah I get that they're not inherently some super interesting faction by themselves, but in my head I imagine the writers doing a lot more with them than is normally done. Like having conversations between different caste members trying to coordinate an inter-planetary war on two fronts. Or have the Tau try to make contact with the Necrons, so you see have a scene where some naive fire caste commander tries to convince some eons old jaded as fuck Overlord about hope for the future and the benefits of cooperation.

And having the Imperium be the antagonist for once would be a godamn breath of fresh air. Knowing what we know about the setting, yet seeing the absolute merciless brutality of an Imperial Guard invasion, would be cool as fuck. Have them slaughtering civilians with Bane Wolves and bombing evacuation sites. Show off some ancient, one of a kind Necron technology that can do something incredible, and then have a Stormtrooper squad come in and fry it with a melta gun. Show us that mindless fanaticism that we almost never get to see, knowing that it's all completely justified.

>>386233924
>Imagine if the PoV started with Tau this time around
Instantly dropped. Tau are fucking insufferable. I'd rather have some gay nuchaos wank game than that.

>>386235079
>guy who originally created the mod is a Relic shiteater, hasn't even contributed to it in years and left it years ago to bandwagon for DoW3

it's definitely better off without him

>>386226554
>Last Stand
But it was shit.
How about a good RTS instead?

>be nu-Relic
>have a beloved and popular franchise
>see that MOBA's and e-sports is popular
>try to make a game for everyone
>end up diluting the experience
>eventually turn out a half assed RTS, half assed MOBA hybrid that isn't fun to play
>visually messy with too many effects
>bad UI
>clunky animations
>terrible map design
>make units tiny and disposable to make the game feel "grand" but still end up coming short

Anyone else remember the weeks of threads made by absolute shills who would scream down any real criticism I do. I wonder where all the shills are now?

>YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED IT
>IT'S MORE LIKE DoW1 THAN UR SHITTY DOW2 MOBA
>X DOW1 EXPANSION IS BETTER THAN Y

>>386235858
>>IT'S MORE LIKE DoW1
Well, I mean, they weren't wrong.
What anyone failed to realize, is that DoW2: Retribution was nearly perfect and impossible to top for nu-Relic.

>>386236039
>>386235858

The problem is that they took the worst aspects of both games, and none of the good ones.

It's pretty funny how strong elites are in DoW 3 even when compared to heroes in DoW 2. At least the chaos lord couldn't delete your entire army at the start of the game.

>>386236039
how to top DOW2:R
>take DOW2:R
>add actual base building
>prettier grafix (even though they still hold up very well today)
>more units on map, bigger maps

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>>386226554

Why aren't you playing a real dawn of war game instead of assfaggots?

>That photo of relic where they are wearing pink shirts celebrating diversity or some shit
Relic has been dead for a long time

>>386236179

Pretty much, all they had to do was take DoW 2 and increase the scale to DoW 1 scale. Done.

bought it on day one. 17 hours played since and abandoned.

How the hell do you focus this hard on micro management to the point that every unit has atleast 1-2 skills that change the fights and you dont add hotkeys and force players to manually select those units in order to use those skills?

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>>386236252
Relic BTFO

>>386232023
The trailer was bad, outsourced to someone that had no clue about the 40k universe, you can clearly see the segments of vague descriptions they gave him in the way he directed the trailer.

>>386236179
>basebuilding

I don't know why everyone insists on shoehorning this into every checklist that's required to make the series good. Basebuilding doesn't fit in the 40k universe and has never been done that well in the series at all. What made DoW2 great was the much greater focus and expansion of combat, unit mechanics and abilities

t. someone who actually likes basebuilding where it actually matters in games like TA

>>386236393
Basebuilding (the real one not the shitty dow3/coh1-2 one) is a fun element of of RTSs but if I was to make basebuilding for a 40k game I would make it only for factions in which would make sense like IG, orks, necrons etc, with shock tactics focused factions like space marines and eldar focused more on early map control and the controlling of the ground through defense of the resource points.

It would be hard to balance but I think that would create a unique rts experience.

>>386234387
Stop acting like a retard, I love TW and TWWH is by far my most played modern strategy game, but it's not RTS. The game is very, very far away from the RTS formula, they don't have much in common at all. TBS + RTT is an accurate description of the TW series, why do you even want to call it RTS in the first place when it's so significantly different?

>>386226554
I don't understand how they thought they could succeed by copying a dead game (SC2) by releasing 3 races to keep it """"balanced""""

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>>386236393
>has never been done that well in the series at all

They succeeded in making each 'style' thematically appropriate, which I always like to give them credit for. Orks build shit out of scrap, Eldar shape structures from wraithbone, Necrons aren't actually building anything they're just waking it up, etc.

But yeah it still wasn't a perfect fit by any means. Space Marines sending buildings down as drop pods? What?

>>386236863

They thought esports was the way to go, but they failed to take into account that RTS esports is nonexistent, SC being the exception to the rule, and that they can't balance their game for shit, they also failed to take into account that a 40k game is a niche game by default, making a 40k RTS a niche game within a niche genre.

>>386237169
I just can't understand why balance is such an important aspect. Sure there shouldn't be anything tier 0 broken that counters it's supposed to be counter, but beyond that. Like in DOW1 you pretty much couldn't beat Necrons as the Imperial Guard but nobody gave a shit. You just didn't play that matchup

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>>386226554
>Tfw you know why Sega made the game
>Tfw it was purely to snub the game and kill the series to stop people from speculating
Game was doomed from the start, back when THQ was starting it even. Sega just built the coffin.

>LET'S COMBINE MOBA AND STARCRAFT
>WHAT COULD POSSIBLE GO WRONG?

FUCKING
EVERYTHING

>>386226554
This is what happens when you alienate fans of both predecessors