>game doesn't give a good explanation of how certain

I hate hidden stats

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>>386224647
>Luck
>"Increases item drop chance... and influences other things"

you mean every JRPG

you mean the LUK stat

>>386224647
>Game explains how stats work and what they do
>They don't actually work like that and often do something different

>increases armor by 20%
>there is no armor stat

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>STR
>Increases damage of normal "attack" command
>DEX
>Increases damage of the always-more-powerful physical attack skills

>game explains all the stats in great detail
>levelling anything other than Vitality is a waste of points

Wasn't there a stat in Dark Souls 1 that did literally nothing

>stats are vague and barely give substantial improvement to the character
>1/4 of the stats are either badly programmed or completely useless, making new players waste their experience points

>>386224647
>skills have completely arbitrary and invisible cutoff points where putting anything into them becomes a massive waste
>the game shows no numbers for anything beyond an extremely basic stat screen
FUCKING ETRIAN ODYSSEY

Every post in this thread list something that made me hated Dark Souls

>>386224985
Poise in 3

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>You need to raise a stat in order to actually dodge attacks

>>386225171
Wouldn't be a bad idea if the hitboxes were good in the first place.

>>386224985
>>386225125
Came here to post these.

>>386224985
You're thinking of resistance and it increased your status effect resist stats, the increase was just negligible so it seemed non existent.

>>386225171
>you need to raise a stat in order to actually do damage
Are you new to RPGs or something?

>>386225379
>excusing shit hitboxes
t. hbomber guy

>>386225423
Anon, those hitboxes are shit with or without stats, a stat raising your dodge has nothing to do with shitboxes.

>>386225497
Why not have better hitboxes then?

DA FUQ IS VITALITY IN XII ?!!?

>the game developers don't know how their own systems work
>the devs have to ask the community to tell them how shit works

so many MMORPGs pulled this, like Vanguard and Star Trek Online

>>386225379
Theres a difference between something that relies on muscle memory and something that is just numbers.

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>>386224647
>>386225125
>RPG that advertises itself as having 10 """"unique"""" classes
>the only difference is starting stats/equipment
>the game always revolves around how well you can swing a weapon and the abuse the hitboxes

>>386225564
Because the game is shit.

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>>386224647
>game has hidden stats

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>>386224647
>Use a stat buff on self or stat debuff on enemy
>Game doesn't tell me how much I'm buffed or the enemy is debuffed

>>386224647
>game doesn't explain what each elemental debuff does

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>>386225619
>Classes have stats that are either useful or completely fucking useless
>Drops can roll said useless stat items

Fuck Diablo and fuck Blizzard

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>learning that the numbers lie
>learning about additive and multiplicative percentages
>learning about diminishing returns
>learning about probability and how percentages aren't necessarily true as I thought
>learning percentages displayed are often just completely wrong anyways
>learning about arbitrary as fuck fractions or percentages used, instead of say 50/100 total armor it will be something like 50/186 or something retarded but the game displays it as 50/100
>learning some caps games display are actually wrong and you can go above them
>learning that sometimes it will keep displaying numbers going up when they've already hit cap
>learning there's actually a complex formula behind damage calculation and damage/defense are only 2 factors out of many
>learning that some games have blatantly wrong information everywhere and you have to look up what the actual numbers are on a wiki
>learning about hidden percentages for luck rolls and shit like that the game never tells you about
The game that triggered all the number crunching autism for me was Borderlands 2, I built my character wrong and started getting fucked in the endgame. So I started digging through forums and youtube videos obsessively only to find out there's a whole another world of numbers beyond what the game says and how there's some crazy ass loopholes you can do to buff damage higher. Now I'm really getting into JRPGs and love all the number crunching autism for maximum efficiency.

>>386224647
Fucking xenoblade x and potential

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>>386224647
>Game has this one major component in it that is fairly complex and is vital to being able to progress
>Game doesn't fucking explain any of it other than "here it is"
I'd be surprised if you can guess what game and what component of that game I'm talking about.

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>>386224647
>game has a stat but also has a stat tied to that stat that is more imporant but hidden from view
>there's literally no reason for both to not be displayed other than fake complexity

>>386224712
FUCKING FIRE EMBLEM

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>>386224912
except game tells you only what attributes the stats increase, but not what the attributes actually do

I still don't understand what the DEF stat in ds3 is. There's absorptoin, which I think is the stat that tells how much % of dmg the armor absobrs, but then there's the DEF stat whic increases based on how many armor pieces you wear. Wtf is that even

>>386225998
Considering how fucking common that shit is, so would I.

>>386225814
>not always even properly telling what the buff/debuff actually does

Few games tell you what the stats do and when they do, they almost never tell you the exact figures. It's fine as long as the purpose of stats is easily inferred and consistent, but often stats are inscrutable as fuck and factored into dozens of different things that you never even expect.

Like a game might have "Strength" and you'd probably correctly infer that it affects physical damage, except then there's a bunch of weapons which scale off Agility or Magic and it never tells you which ones.

I don't really know why they go to that level of obfuscation. The autists will datamine or test the actual figures to work out the optimal setup anyway, all it does it make it harder for the people you're trying to simplify things for.

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>>386225619
>RPG that advertises itself as having 10 """"unique"""" classes
>has a playerbase that gets mad at anyone that has a unique playstyle

>>386224905
>game where one stat is overall better than every other
>there's no reason not to just run full on Mag

>>386225998
In Hyrule Warriors weapons have elements, but the most the game tells you about them is that each element has a particular bonus effect (e.g. lightning does bonus damage to airborne enemies). It never even hints that certain characters and monsters are weak to particular elements, let alone tell you what the weaknesses are, even though they become by far the biggest influence on damage.

>>386226527
I hate everyone who doesn't have a unique plasystyle and goes meta tryhard

>>386225164
kek

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>>386224647
What are you, a sape?

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>>386224647
>game has an armor stat
>it's just a random number

>tfw not a brainlet and can understand what stats do by trial&error

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>>386224647
>NIER:AUTOMATA
They've never told You how to launch enemy in the air. Took me like 15 hours in