If you shit on SFV or god forbid even want it to fail, you need

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>Capcom ARE the face of fighting games as a genre
Then why did they kill most of their fighting game franchises?

w w w. twitch tv/videos/163985355?t=42m10s

Listen to this, the man spits some truth on your asses

>b-b-but /v/ isn't reddit

I seen the same bullshit negativity here on /v/ too concerning this game and people wanting it to fail and die.

>>386205304
Fuck you, I don't want to support it. Take your shit and shove it back up your ass.

>>386205485
How about you focus on SF and not old dead shit? How does shitting on SFV help when you'll be killing the last successful fighting game franchise?

>>386205304
SFV is shit and 09er fighting games are a disgrace to the genre. Let it die, i've been playing the same games for 20 years anyway, you can't threaten me with the death of shit games that aren't worth playing anyway.

>>386205304

It's not about people wanting it to fail

It's about wanting Capcom for to learn from their mistakes because SFV launched Fucking horrendously

And they are literally about to do the same shit to MvCI

Who /Kappa/ here? Fuck James!

>>386205714
So you want fighting games to die apparently. Fuck you asshole. It's easy for you to say that since you don't even play fighting games, you have no stake in this. if you dislike the game, fine, then fuck off and don't shit talk it. We don't need more negativity.

>>386205784
>play this game I want you to play instead of the games you want to play!

>fgc finally getting redpilled to capcoms kuckoldry.
>STOP IT. IF U NO LIKE SFV U NO PART OF FGC

L
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>>386205810
If it fails, the community and the genre dies. Listen to what james chen says:

>>386205680


Support the fucking community instead of all this negativity, the fuck do you gain from shitting on SFV?

>>386205784
But I bet somehow magically all the old Street Fighters and Marvels don't count as "old dead shit," right?

>>386205485
They had to die for Street Fighter to live, honor their sacrifice

>>386205304
Fuck sfv and fuck esports. I welcome dark ages back into the fgc with arms wide open.

Esports ruined Capcom.

>>386205485
This. Cyberbots just got casually disposed of.

One Must Fall at least is getting an open source reproduction.

It's incomprehensible how dardstalkers so forgotten now. Not even a spin off, except maybe some animu.

>>386205915
If SFV fails, we go back to the dark ages of fighting games when the genre crashed and burned. So support it, be positive. Instead of saying SFV is shit, mention the good aspects of the game.

>>386206039
>One Must Fall at least is getting an open source reproduction.
Shit, really? Who's making it?

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I shit on it because I want it to be better. Give me one reason why I should stay silent when one of my favorite franchises is becoming a dumpster fire.

>>386205304
I bet it's one dude that is making all these SFV bait threads.

>>386206039
Maybe those games weren't as good as SF, ever think of that?

>>386205784
Street fighting isn't a successful fighting game franchise. Everything but SF2 and 4 has under preformed. Tekken even has more sales, and plenty of devs make money from their games, crapcom is just greedy and cuts massive corners at the same time. Look at 40$HDremix reusing art assets from fucking Turbo revival on the GBA.

Fighting games are not as expensive to make as many other genres, it can be profitable with a nitche audience. I don't care about "pro-gamers" not being able to make a living off fighting games because they aren't popular enough to get them twitch views.

Remember, don't talk about the fighting games you like, just complain about SFV.

>>386206161
Darkstalkers at least was easily as good as SF and Marvel. Hell, it invented half of the conventions most SF and Marvel games use.

>>386206107
Because if all that people see are endless posts about how the game is shit and trash, the game will DIE. It dying means fighting games as a genre die, and the fgc dies. People like Maximillian are making this shit worse, I get that he wants the game to improve, but all he's doing is spreading negativity.

>>386206075
Dark ages were comfy. People weren't huge sissies, there were no shills, there were no arrogant online warriors, fighting games were solid all around and smash kiddies did not attempt to coexist with it.

Fuck it. Bring back dark ages.

>>386206075
There was never a dark age of fighting games. 2002-2007 was the golden age of competitive play, and plenty of non-capcom fighters especially 3D fighters were released. they just didn't flood the market like in the 90s.

>>386206167
>Fighting games are not as expensive to make as many other genres


Bullshit. A single character even in a lower budget indie fighter like Skullgirls cost over a MILLION dollars to create.

>>386206280
I don't give a flying fuck about 15 or so people trying to make a living off of fighting games. I just want the "main" fighting game of the fgc to be good again and that will never happen Unless esports dies

>>386206338
>and plenty of non-capcom fighters especially 3D fighters were released.


All of them except Tekken sucked though. So what was so great about it? Capcom IS the genre. watch the twitch vid, James Chen explains what happened in the early 90s and how the genre almost died.

>>386206263
They only people making it worse is capcom. They are giving every advantage in the world but are too cheap, unskilled and misguided to make good fighting games.

SFV sucks, I'm glad it's failing. People are even defecting to KOF which was on life support for the past decade.

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sfv is complete dogshit. i dont see how sfv failing would mean tekken dies. sf players and tekken players are totally different crowds. the only sf players that play tekken are the ones who quit because they hate sfv and decided to pick up tekken 7 because its actually good.

i love sf. 3rd strike is my favourite game ever. but sfv is such a fucking piece of shit, i dont think i'll ever play it again, or even watch anyone play it. everything about it is ugly and slow and dumbed down and boring and awful. i'm still surprised by how much i hate it. it really is complete garbage.

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>>386206263
>Because if all that people see are endless posts about how the game is shit and trash, the game will DIE.
The Street Fighter franchise is one of Capcom's biggest money makers. If SFV dies, then chances are they'll just either completely retool SFV to be better and fix the glaring issues, or work on another sequel with the same pretense. And if the game dies, who the fuck cares? That doesn't make the game disappear. Nothing will be able to stop you from playing the game you like.

>>386205304
How dare you use James Chen's face for your shitty thread.

>>386206481
>Capcom IS the genre
But you already said most Capcom fighters (i.e. the non SF and Marvel ones) are irrelevant. If you want to say "SF and Marvel," just say "SF and Marvel" for God's sake.

>>386205304
yeah, james is wrong on this one.

mk and tekken were doing fine with sf re-releases. and anime is only getting more popular. still, it would be a blow to the scene, particularly EVO.

only a faggot would WANT a game to fail. a game should succeed or fail on its own merit, not because people base their lively hood on it or autists on the internet don't like. Maybe that would be the case with SF5, or maybe Capcom will keep on pumping money into it's corpse.

>>386206481
Fuck off shill.

>>386206356
because MikeZ wanted high end sprite art. good Sprite artists are a dying breed, and those that remain charge an arm and a leg. It's why everything like mighty number 9, and bloodstained is 2.5D shit.

>>386206645
SF IS Capcom. SF IS the genre.

>>386205304
I hate to say it, but you're right.

And Capcom has already demonstrated that they're not the type of company to become introspective and try to figure out what *they* did wrong if one of their games ends up failing. They're not going to do it. They'll just assume that there isn't demand for the game and so they'll stop making sequels.

>>386205874
For one thing, I don't fucking trust Capcom, I ain't gonna be clutching to them for dear life in any situation.

I would want an arcade stick for some alternative gaming platform.

There were countless fighting games out there. Being unable to picture any other developments is deranged.

>>386206280
>smash kiddies did not attempt to coexist with it.
son, evo may have brought melee back from the depths, but melee damn sure doesn't need the fgc.

anyway, OP is a capcum guzzling fagstick. SFV sucks, their business model is garbage, and the only thing they have going for them is supporting the community via pro tours, which at this point seems to exist just for PR purposes. nothing about them is good.

>>386206656
>only a faggot would WANT a game to fail. a game should succeed or fail on its own merit

If a game is succeeding and doesn't have merit it deserves to fail. You don't actually think the cream always rises to the top do you?

>>386206280
>smash kiddies did not attempt to coexist with it.
yes they did. they try not to co-exist with now, considering that theyre bigger

>>386206075
>Instead of saying SFV is shit, mention the good aspects of the game.

Is this a fucking religion/cult?

Fuck SFV and fuck you. The same strand of blind fan boy autism that you have is the same that spread across the barbarian goat fucking Germans in WWII. V is shit that Capcom literally thought they could get away with serving us without facing any negative ramifications. THEY SHOULD BE PUNISHED FOR THIS! You should be ashamed of your comments and actions. I mean I swear to FUCK that it was the on the same level as the pile of shitty early access games flooding steam. At least most of them don't have the audacity to ask for $60.

>>386206798
no it´s not

>>386206101
Fans, experimentationist coders, and so on. Who can really say, the whole paradigm of such projects is that they can end up forked into various things.

Capcom is going through a period where they're making bland games. SFV is still decent enough. But 4 was way better.

It's at this time that we should embrace other games. Maybe SF6 will be better.

>>386206851
Fuck off smelly melee fag. You retards were all banned from tourments because you never showered and were disorganized as fuck with your crts and shit. Smash players also never interacted with any other community, unlike the other fighting game players. The fact that smash players aren't laughed out of every venue is the biggest sign the FGC has sold out and is dead corporate shit.

>>386205680
go back to /fgg/ please

>>386206737
Sprite art is a waste of time and money when SF4 and 5 show 3d can do it just fine or even better. Shit like Uniel and Blazblue and Persona seem pointless, you can't even give characters new costumes with sprites.

Oh fuck I just realized OP might be right since [H A T E R S W I L L B E L E F T B E H I N D]

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daily reminder that if you play SFV you're a competitive drone.
go play a actual good fighter game like Tekken 7 or guilty gear shit even KoF even though it looks like shit.

Did xykes make this thread?

>>386207210
I fucked up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT_HabKBp84

SFV and infinite can eat a dick. I would always wish capcom the best but if they don't help then there's noting I can do

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capcom should die and street fighter should too

sell the ip to sony so we can see faithful reproductions because they clearly don't give a shit about anything that isn't monster hunter. op sucks cocks.

You know what? I'm not finished here. This game gave me severe depression. I loved the street fighter franchise to death and was really looking forward to V. But I was betrayed. Listen, I have a shitty life. I have to work my ass from 8-6 every day accept Sunday. I have to go home and eat shitty food, fuck my ugly wife and be in bed by 9PM. But you know what's the worst part of it all? Waking up at night and seeing that shitty copy of street fighter 5 laying in my bedroom. It's taunting me, telling me to kill myself.
Sometimes I get out of bed and serisouly consider it. It's a battle of every night. Fuck what Capcom did to me. THEY SHOULD BE SUED

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>>386205304
The FGC only cares about SF and to a lesser extent MvC. The irony is that the FGC is anything but due to this narrow obsession with such a small subset of an entire genre. It'd actually be a good thing if they died and something better rose from the ashes.

This idea that the FGC is needed for the continuing success of fighters is part of their circle-jerky nature, they do unironically believe that they're important and help keep the genre alive, it's fucking embarrassing.

>>386207206
2.5D looks like ass for every genre. SF4 and V looks like ass. the style is an abomination that only existed because of the 3D novelty craze where casuals shit looking 3D games looked better than 2D games. Sprite art needs a Renascence and devs need to get off the crutch 3D modeling gives them.

>>386207000
No, it's called quit being fucking negative an trying to cause a "TORtantic" with SFV, because it WILL have dire consequences. SF V dying can mean no more anime fighters either, you want that shit? Those games already sell like shit and barely have players, and that's with the genre still alive due to SF. SF dying means anime dies as well. Listen to what James Chen says, like it or not, SF keeps the genre alive currently and has forever. We're not at the point yet where we can let SF die safely. Get to that point first, then if SF dies, fine, it dies. Wanting SF to die right now is like being on a ship with a guy at the helm and trying to cut his throat, when you have no lifeboats to escape the ship as it sinks.

>>386207227
Daily reminder you are a nobody. Youre opinion has less than zero value and.Should keep youre null value opinion in your stupid skull.

>>386205304
fuck you, fuck james chen, fuck capcom, and fuck street fighter. i'll do what i want.

>>386207516
>a capkuck's desperate attempt at damage control

>>386205304
I've been a SF and MvC fag for about 15 years

Right now I'm playing GG, BB, SG, MKX, IJ2, MvC3, and SFIV, while looking forward to DBFZ and *MAYBE* MvCI (since people are saying it plays waaaaaay better than initially let on).

SFV is shit and shouldn't be supported. I bought it. Played it for months. Defended fight money. Defended the lack of content. Defended the frame delay. Defended the simplicity. Defended everything.

But then I realized I wasn't even having fun.

Even MKX and IJ2, with how much less technical they are, are *fun*

SFV is garbage, sorry mate

>>386207558
what did james chen do?

>>386207470
Honestly, I wish they'd go the arcsys route and make SF look like Xrd. It'd be the perfect way to actually evolve the visuals with modern technology instead of the horrible gorilla art style they've gone with.

>>386207431
>This idea that the FGC is needed for the continuing success of fighters is part of their circle-jerky nature, they do unironically believe that they're important and help keep the genre alive, it's fucking embarrassing.


Yeah, the people who buy Skullgirls and Uniel to stare at pantyshots are the real reason why fighters still get made!

That's what you retards get for thinking (((expanding the audience))) was more important than good gameplay. I and quite a few others were calling this shit out in 4, and shit got crazy with early V footage, but retards would cry that it wasn't finished yet instead of putting up an uproar so things would actually get changed.

>>386207607
This rant here:
>>386205680

He blew kappa and /v/ the fuck out

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>>386206604
>i love sf. 3rd strike is my favourite game ever. but sfv is such a fucking piece of shit
Why do you like Third Strike? Why do you fucking people harp on and on about how amazing Third Strike is? What the fuck is good about the game?

Is it the combos?
Because SF4 has longer and more technical combos (and every character gets them instead of just Makoto, Yun, Chun, Urien).
Is it the parrying?
Because parrying ruins zoning, neutral and fundamental 2D fighting game staples.
Is it the Roster?
People wanted Street Fighter 2 characters back so bad that they all just stuck to playing Alpha.
Is it the Diago Parry?
Fucking probably. You fucking tools see one video of a "hype" parry moment in Third Strike and shit your pants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEcXcBvQOgk

Third Strike Online Edition was going to be a more balanced Street Fighter 3: 4th Strike but you faggots who never played the game ruined it.

>>386206942
>maybe Capcom will keep on pumping money into it's corpse.
marketing for million dollar corporations will do more work than people talking shit on the internet.(figure heads like max and aris arent just people) being a capcbro is fucking retarded, but retards put more effort on saying how much shit sf5 is when they could be playing video games(i only go on /v/, so please enlighten me on other places)

ignore street fighter. capcom will keep on doing it's thing, and people who enjoy it should continue having fun. i don't find merit in the game, so i won't contribute in it's success.

>>386207625
That "horrible gorilla" art IS how SF is supposed to look.

>>386207705
The gameplay is fine, just needs a few tweaks, that's all. People sitting around saying it sucks all the time are the real problem and need to be dealt with.

>>386207487
"Anime fighting" was fucking born during the "dark ages" when SF was dead. It's completely separate form SF and always has been.

>>386207719
>Because parrying ruins zoning, neutral and fundamental 2D fighting game staples.


It didn't in Melty Blood.

>>386207625
Xrd doesn't look good either. it's all smoke and mirrors shit to try to compensate for how shit 2.5D is. arcsys can be forgiven though because their games sell like shit so the cost of good sprites is too high and they made the best of a bad situation. capcom has no excuse.

>>386207717
oh yeah this shit. I gotta agree with james chen on this. Kappa and /v/ are the part of the FGC that like to drink their own semen.

>>386207820
No, it isn't cucking separate. You think Blazblue and GG will keep getting made when SF fucking dies? Those games are already on thin ice, SFV dying will smash the lake open and plunge them straight into the icy cold depths.

>>386207717
>James Chen has a deep personal stake in capcoms success
>shills for his dear life

Am I supposed to even click this garbage? Pass.

SFV and Capcom can eat dick for these half baked games. I'll do glad the FGC is slowly becoming redpilled.

REMINDER SFV SAW A FIFTY (50), (100/2) PERCENT DROP IN ATTENDEES AT EVO 2017 COMPARED TO EVO 2016. even though sfvs numbers are still better that usf4's, you can't ignore a FIFTY percent drop. SFV IS a flash in key the pan.

>>386207894
Street fighter is like a sugar daddy. It´s ugly as fuck and plays like shit but you need it to live.

>>386206161
Who cares? That did mean that Capcom felt okay with exploiting the franchise with 4 minute extensions of SF2, SF2 the movie - the game, and another one, three Street fighter Ex titles, and collosal dumpster crossover crap with just with just so damn many characters that they probably couldn't even possibly be balanced, They had something that stfuck such a massive chord once, nobody would get discontent if it didn't do anything good anymore and just hung to it purely for echoes of what it was.

>>386207949
>You think Blazblue and GG will keep getting made when SF fucking dies?
They were first created when SF was dead, moron.

386207807
The gameplay is abysmal you dumb scrub. V needs a revision on the level of alpha 3 to be good. balance tweaks and a new V-trigger/super/arcade mode will not fix a fundamentally shallow game.

you don't even deserve a (you) shill.

>>386207962
>I'll do glad
I'm so glad****

>>386206075
>SF dead with 3
>Guilty Gear comes out
>3D fighting thriving
>Smash doing its own thing
>MvC2 still going strong enough
The genre didn't crash and burn
Street Fighter did

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>>386205304
You're absolutely right. The problem with Kappa it's filled with a lot of tryhard teenagers who have the worst case of the mob mentality.

One person will chirp, the others will do the same. In this case it's, "SFV sucks! It's imbalanced!" And you ask them why they do not go into specifics they'll just say, "Shit gaem! Shit story!" and don't even explain why.

Kappa works just like 4chan, most of you mother fuckers don't even conjure up your own personal opinion. You treat /v/ as your Contrarian mother base of all opinions so you can be a super cool hipster gamer thinking you're highly educated on video games.

I just don't trust peoples opinions anymore, especially when it comes to gaming. There's too many retards who suck up and regurgitate the same shit over and over again without merit.

>>386205680
This is so accurate it's painful.

If you think Capcom's death would save Guilty Gear you are an idiot. Tekken and anime games will never be as popular as Street Fighter, because none of them are remotely as accessible. Street Fighter is the only game where a new player can hop in, spend two hours practicing Ryu's DP, and then jump online and develop a feel for the game. No matter how many tutorials you add in games like Guilty Gear or Tekken, new players are going to face a much steeper technical barrier to be able to play at a minimal level.

ArcSys games aren't dead online because worse games attract more attention, they're dead because they do everything possible to scare off new players. ArcSys loads its characters with gimmicks and assets to play around with, which encourages player creativity and looks cool on paper, but also produces disgusting setplay and okizeme. Plenty of totally reasonable people don't want to play a game with Arakune, and nothing turns away new players like having to block for thirty seconds because they fucked up four seconds of neutral. And if you want a Tekken game to blow up, you're going to have to create something like Tekken with a manageable move list.

There is a reason most Guilty Gear "fans" don't actually play their game, and most Street Fighter fans actually do, and it's not just relative popularity. Street Fighter does a good job as a gateway fighting game, and the FGC would be almost nonexistent without it.

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>>386205304
Fuck off, Chen. I couldn't care less if fighting games became mainstream e-sports like dota and overwatch. Actually, I would prefer that it didn't. I like games with depth, and that's always the first thing to go with as far as this e-sports shit is concerned. You're just starting to sweat because your relevancy is on the line with SFV's success.

>>386208168
>>386208176
>>386205304

is samefagging a bannable offense?

>>386207892
Xrd looks amazing, and looks better than any of the current sprite anime fighters like Uniel and shit like that. If anything I wish Uniel would get made with 3d models like xrd is.

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>>386208253
Stop being retarded.

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>>386207807
>That "horrible gorilla" art IS how SF is supposed to look.
Maybe from SF3 onward. But SF2 looked like this.

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>>386206656
I want SFV to fail only if Capcom is insistent on keeping the game the way it is. Namely a low skill ceiling risk management guessing game with little defensive and neutral tools with no room for creativity or execution.

If this shitfest has to go on for the genre to grow, I don't want it to. Because whatever direction this game takes fighting games if it does to well can't be good.

>>386208253
If only.

This is definitely James coming here because on reddit he'd get (rightfully) downboated.

Fuck. Off. James. Chen. Go cry some more over literally nothing

>>386208226
>I like games with depth, and that's always the first thing to go with as far as this e-sports shit is concerned.


Explain dota 2 then?

>>386208376
nice edit

>>386207807
>That "horrible gorilla" art IS how SF is supposed to look.
Not really. SF2 wasn't a very pretty game in terms of art style, I'll agree with you there, but Alpha and 3rd Strike were. Really the majority of SF games ever released have not looked that way, and the vast majority of Capcom fighters haven't.

>>386207962
>REMINDER SFV SAW A FIFTY (50), (100/2) PERCENT DROP IN ATTENDEES AT EVO 2017 COMPARED TO EVO 2016. even though sfvs numbers are still better that usf4's, you can't ignore a FIFTY percent drop. SFV IS a flash in key the pan.

alright, ill acknowledge it
hmmm....
>why would a game see a 50% drop at the largest event???
>obviously theres less interest, but why???
>is it because it's less popular????????
sure. yes sf5 is less popular
>is it because its not THE BRAND SPANKING NEW STREET FIGHTER HOLY SHIT I GOOTA GOT OT THIS YEARS ECO
this seems like a more likely candidate

>>386208226
What? If you made a game more competitive because of the eSports community you're putting on more pressure for the developers to balance out the game even further.

Competitive gaming is part of video games origins, it's like literally 80 percent of gaming all stems from competitive gaming.

Also, 2020 will have billions of dollars circulating through the competitive gaming scene. It's going to help the industry on such a massive scale we'll truly see some great hits coming out.

>>386208376
>what is posting from multiple devices
>what is editing html

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>>386208512
>the damage control

>>386208176
>Street Fighter is the only game where a new player can hop in, spend two hours practicing Ryu's DP, and then jump online and develop a feel for the game. No matter how many tutorials you add in games like Guilty Gear or Tekken, new players are going to face a much steeper technical barrier to be able to play at a minimal level.


This. Uniel is fucking hell.

>load game up
>wow this girl with the bigass katana looks awesome
>pick her
>impossible to combo with her
>special moves are annoying to do within combos and require insane timing
>uninstall game to play SF V

>>386208176
>Tekken and anime games will never be as popular as Street Fighter, because none of them are remotely as accessible
Tekken 7 outsold SF5
TTT2 outsold SF5
SF5 really didn't do so well and Capcom still hasn't fixed it yet

If SF goes then all that really goes is large cash prizes in tournaments and the FGC obviously doesn't only care about tournaments
And tournaments would still happen even without SF

>>386208482
I don't like MOBAs, but if I did I would play that one.

>>386208385
Guess what bro? This aint the 90s anymore.

>>386208529
Esports makes the games less competitive. balance=/= competitive merit.

>>386208534
>>386208497
It's not my responsibility for you to think like a retard. Believe whatever you want to believe inside that empty skull of yours.

>>386208712
Well they're not interchangeable, no, but balance is certainly a key quality in a competitive game.

>>386208643
SFV had more people showing up to tournies though.

>muh sales

I guess Justin Bieber is the greatest musician of our time then

i don't want it to fail but i think capcom does considering all of their decisions so far

>>386208529
I didn't say anything about balance. If anything thats one of the worst parts about e-sports cancer. Shallow games with monthly balance patches that simply rotate which characters you see on screen and which get shelved until the next monthly balance patch. I definitely don't want that for fighting games and SFV would likely take the genre in that direction if it could.

>>386208764
You even type with the same salty vitriol as OP lol.

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>New fighting games come out like every month.
>Tekken still going strong
>Dead or Alive still here
>Guilty Gear still here
>Dragonball FighterZ coming
>All the other niche anime fighting games
>Injustice 2 and Mortal Kombat
>People unironically believe the competitive fighting game scene can't survive without Capcom

>>386208712
You're literally explaining nothing. the eSports community extract every little fucking detail about what makes a game balanced. If they find a strand of hair in their soup they will pull it out one by one and explain the strands on why this Champion is overpowered, why this Champion does this.. There's a glitch. If it's not fixed they will be bitched at eternity.. Just look at Steam reviews look how nitpicky they are.

eSports does not have room for imbalance.

>>386208813
False. LoL became full esports and is actually balanced WORSE than it was years ago. All they do is ruin characters and do shitty reworks that fuck up their gameplay.

>>386206075
>if you don't support the company that is fucking me in the asshole right now, this type of genre will die!

>>386208253
You're a childish retard. OP's post was clearly satirical.

>>386208632
UNIEL honestly isn't that bad for beginners, ArcSys designed games are much worse.

>>386208643
Sales is damn near divorced from entry into competitive play.

Mortal Kombat might sell well, but the vast majority of its players have nothing whatever to do with the fighting game community.

It's easy to mash buttons and do okay in Tekken, but actually learning the game at an even intermediate level is exceptionally hard. Tekken has a viable sales model but its tournament scene is always going to be much, much smaller than its casual playerbase.

>>386208880
Funny of those games the only ones that even sell are NRS garbage, and people only play them for like a month then drop that shit. Anime and Tekken have NO PLAYERS.

They way I´m seeing things is that SFV is crucial for the FGC because it´s the easiest game to start at. If someone that´s new to fighting games tries to pick another fighter like for example GG it´s gonna be hell for them cause they´re gonna be bombarded with a ton of mechanics and shit. SFV is a good entry point with it´s low ceiling n shit. But that´s doesn´t mean it´s a good game, not even close. The only reason it´s so popular it´s because it´s a SF game and so sponsors will cling onto it.

>>386208854
I haven't been able to find it since, but I could have sworn that back when SFV was still a ways off and Capcom was revealing info about it, in the same announcement where they said updates would always be free and there would be no "Super SFV" they also said that their philosophy with balance patches would be strengthening weak characters as opposed to nerfing strong ones.

I really wish they had stuck to that.

>>386208910
IF FF XV dying meant jrpgs never got made again, would you want it to die then?

>>386208813
Only true for extreme balance issues. Games with sufficient depth allow better players to win even if characters are worse, due to the nature of having more levels of player skill. Obviously better balance is better, but it is not a deciding factor at all.

>>386209014
>Funny of those games the only ones that even sell are NRS garbage
They sell well enough to justify the production of more.
>Anime and Tekken have NO PLAYERS.
lol

>>386208854
>I didn't say anything about balance.
What? Am I not allowed to speak my opinion? Do I have to bow down to Sir Prince Anon and ONLY talk about balance ONLY if you bring it up?

>If anything thats one of the worst parts about e-sports cancer. Shallow games with monthly balance patches that simply rotate which characters you see on screen and which get shelved until the next monthly balance patch

You're explaining literally nothing. "IT'S SHALLOW MONTHLY PATCHES REEE." You're making retarded generalized statements that hold zero meaning.

>>386208168
Most kappafags are almost incapable of explaining what they're saying or providing examples, but there are plenty of legitimate complaints to lodge against SFV.

I have to admit I can't understand them. They've spent literally two years taking potshots at Capcom for upvotes, I get sick of it in like ten minutes.

>>386209083
Yes. JRPGs are fucking awful.

>>386208874
>You even type with the same salty vitriol as OP lol.

Maybe just maybe there's some people out there who agree with OP? If I wanted to samefag I'd dumb down my grammar and space out my sentences if I truly wanted to. I'm not a moron.

>>386208956
OP is probably from eventscrubs or some shit. They actually believe this.

>>386209039
Yeah, they made a lot of promises and the game turned out to be shallow gorilla "go ham or go home" shit. I already moved on but I also don't want this to be the future of the genre. I would almost rather it not have a future at all. Should a hypothetical dark ages come again where fighting games are obscure and tournament entrants are low across the board, there's always a chance that a new game will come out and bring it all back. SFV does too well and this is what we're getting from here on out. Fuck that.

>>386206075
im not getting paid to shill for them my dude, so you can fuck right off with that noise. I odnt support what I don't like, its pretty simple.

>>386209083
Yeah, because only Square Enix makes JRPGs, right?

>>386209215
They definitely don't, you're just an idiot from reddit who can't detect sarcasm if it isn't followed up with /s.

>>386208819
People say that without SF the FGC dies
There's clearly more people supporting Tekken than SF in all ways except at pro tournaments

Can you really call it the FGC if they only play one specific game and would leave immediately without it?

If so then why aren't people bringing up Melee into this debate whenever it comes up?

>>386205957
I hope to gain better games in the future. What the fuck do you hope to gain by shilling? Another chance to shovel Capcom's shit in your mouth?

>>386208909
>False. LoL became full esports and is actually balanced WORSE than it was years ago. All they do is ruin characters and do shitty reworks that fuck up their gameplay.

This is so wrong. There's professional LoL players who've been playing since Season 1 and they've been able to adapt after patch after patch. It isn't hard to adapt to the new updated changes and most of them were required to keep it balanced.

"Wah! My Champion has been nerfed I cannot be a cheap faggot and go 420noscope on them! WAH!!!"

Face it, you're just like the rest of the faggots who lost and gave up and instead of being a man you just blame the game.

>>386208880
> Tekken still going strong

Tekken 7 was total marketing hot air for the first two years. I love watching a game take up space at EVO that next to nobody outside of Japan and South Korea can play.

>>386209325
but who atracts sponsors more? Tekken or SF?

>>386209393
>defending LOL

go back

>>386207306
>infinite
Dont even get me started on that bullshit. If SFV and MvCI are what we get when fighters are in the spotlight, then maybe we need another "dead period" to gain some fucking perspective.

>>386209325
>If so then why aren't people bringing up Melee into this debate whenever it comes up?

Because Melee babies wouldn't be popular without the FGC. We denied them time and time again but they weasled their way into it and we didn't welcome them in open arms. Without the FGC Melee scene would be nothing.

>>386207649
You can insult whatever games you want, that's pretty common behavior among the FGC, but that doesn't make you guys any less a bunch of insular shit-eaters. Something to think about: if people didn't buy Skullgirls, then it wouldn't have continued to be developed. I don't know why you'd shit on a game that actually had a devoted fan base that helped support it. If you actually gave a shit about fighting games then I can't imagine you'd be so hostile, but that just feeds into my prior point that you guys only care about Capcom fighters.

>>386209457
LoL is a fun fucking game. There's a reason why it's one of the most popular games in the world at the moment. Explain that?

>>386209436
Is the FGC only about sponsors and e-sports?
I always figured it was the community that played the game and played against one another and met up to compete

If it's only the money you're talking about then yeah I guess SF has larger cash prizes

>>386205957
>LISTEN TO JAMES COMMUNIST CHINK CHEN YOU KEKS OR WE DIE
>FGC IS A COMMUNE YOU KEK

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>>386208628
im a smashfag, without a horse in this race. please keep that L to yourself, animequeer

>>386209483
melee doesn´t need to FGC to survive

I can tell you what the real problem with anime fighters is. It's how they look and play. SF games are more grounded, no air combos and air dashing and all that shit, and the characters and setting don't feel so Japanese, it's more urban. Third Strike was the best SF game because it felt real urban and hood, like the characters, the stages, the rap music and shit like that. Anime needs to be more urban to succeed. Like Uniel can get rid of some of the faggy guy characters, add some buff martial artists dudes with tribal tats, have stages with some graffiti on the,, some rap music, make the girls more slutty looking, and give it that urban flava. Too many anime games have these fucking prim and proper girls looking like fucking princesses and queens and shit.

This is what WE want:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAYaVMsUkeo

>>386209551
> There's a reason why it's one of the most popular games in the world at the moment. Explain that?

reddit

>>386209393
They nerf champions based on how many idiots whine about them on the reddit sub. Fucking Syndra got ruined, she does no damage now. and is riddled with bugs and glitches(gamebreaking ones like her orbs floating off the screen and shit). Kindred is garbage after the endless nerfs, Aatrox is getting reworked after they assfucked him, and now Yasuo is getting a massive rework/nerf soon because whiny kids who feed him cried so much.

>>386209571
Then they should fuck off. The game is fucking tired. It's completely figured out. Nothing about it is gonna chance.

>>386209126
Your opinion is shit and had nothing to do with anything we were talking about. You're allowed to be a dumbass if you want, but don't move goalposts. Your "REEE" memeing doesn't have any meaning either than showing how booty blasted you are either.

But I'll explain myself further anyway. Frequent balance patches are bad for fighting games because they cease development of tech for the characters. Say a top tier character has this really easy and cheap vortex. If the vortex simply gets patched out, maybe that character is garbage now and nobody plays him anymore. Adversely, you could let the game actually develop for a year and maybe people will find out option selects or tech to deal with it, or maybe different tech with another character will be discovered that beats that first character in neutral.

People need time to discover shit is all I'm saying. Kneejerk balance patches only make players gravitate to characters that are obviously strong and prevent people from being creative. Although this is kind of a moot point because SFV doesn't even really have option selects because they get patched out and it has next to no defensive mechanics. lol.

>>386205304
>you're gonna end up killing off the FGC
Then let it die, you think these shitty and half ass releases are okay?

>>386209551
>There's a reason why it's one of the most popular games in the world at the moment. Explain that?

It's free and everyone has five smurfs.

>James Chen calls out Maximilian_Dood, cancerous faggots on the internet who LARP as Guilty Gear players, and a piece of shit subreddit
>/v/ gets mad at James Chen
lmao

>>386209521
>I don't know why you'd shit on a game that actually had a devoted fan base that helped support it.


I'd be ashamed knowing I made a game whose fanbase can't play fighters for shit and only plays the game to stare at thighs, tits, and panty shots:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfemN9fET6I

>>386205304
there are more than enough high tier fighting games now that if there were an FGC crash we wouldn't suffer very much waiting for it to recover. There aren't even enough hours in the day to get good at all the most current polished fighting games out there.

The mainstream media focus has done nothing to improve FGC, if anything it's done serious harm, driving marketers at Capcom to push for lowering the skill barrier to accommodate retards

SFV getting lots of viewers doesn't do fuck all for the game itself which has only sold 200k copies since launch (that's deader than dead by most metrics, interest-wise). It's sold like piss because the game fucking sucks. Don't support Capcom because we don't need them anymore and their anti-consumer bullshit sucks and should not be defended

why would anyone defend the game when even the players who have to play it all the time to maintain their careers fucking hate it and consider it a step down for the series?

>>386209735
>They nerf champions based on how many idiots whine about them on the reddit sub.

No, that's not how it works. You do realize Riot Games have MASSIVE centers spanning the entire world? There's Riot Korea, Riot China, all spread throughout the world, they get player feedback from all sources, yes reddit, but it's not the only place where they get player feedback. They send out polls, questions, and concerns via email and even their official forums.

You also have in-house mathematicians who dictate stats, abilities and how that Champion works against this Champ, how much they work together.. Oh, here's this item that synchronizes well, oh, that's way too powerful combined..

They have PBE to even test out new builds. It's not just plebbit.

>>386209830
>implying that Chen isn't the most cancerous faggot
He basically just ousted himself as a biased caster that wants to silence anyone that's being too negative about his daddy Capcom.

>>386209483
>evo 2013
>the smash brothers documentary
>project m 3.0
>smash 4
it was the perfect storm, get over yourself

>>386209737
It´s always nice to have a spot at EVO tho.

>>386209843
People go to Skullgirls for the fanservice but the only fans that still play the game now are ones who like the game itself. Feeling ashamed is stupid.

>>386208643
>And tournaments would still happen even without SF

95% of the tournaments run are by Capcomfags. Without it you have Final Round (Tekken) and absolute garbage regionals like Frosty Faustings or whatever else anime tournament that can't run properly. Remember Jebailey runs CEOtaku and he's a dedicated SF player.

>>386209025
>spamming middle atack
>hard and complex mechanics
Myabe for you, ggbab.

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>>386209924
Behold the top three threads on /r/kappa as of right now.

The level of hiveminding and circle jerking over there is embarrassing. That subreddit has like thirty thousand retards on a PR crusade against Capcom. Obviously Capcom is not a perfect company, but James Chen is right (even though he's a Guilty Gear player). Street Fighter dying will just about kill fighting games other than Smash at a tournament level.

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I'll support KoF
I'm looking forward to SNK's next game thank you very much

>>386210360
You sound like a tremendous faggot.

I would have bought sf V if they didn't try to sell it to me peacemeal with half the game as downloadable shit.

At this point the base game should just be free to play.

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>people would rather argue about SF than talk or play Tekken

Why can't Tekken EVER be the popular one? Wasn't this supposed to be Tekken's year?

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>>386210360
Reddit is ass but even a broken clock is right twice a day. There are plenty of hiveminds that think SFV is a good game with negligible flaws too. Besides, even if they are a hivemind I'm glad there are people out there giving Capcom and SFV the shit they deserve.

>>386207431
>This idea that the FGC is needed for the continuing success of fighters is part of their circle-jerky nature, they do unironically believe that they're important and help keep the genre alive, it's fucking embarrassing.

If the FGC dies then Japanese fighters die. NRS games can stand on their own and have, but anime games have shown they need a babysitter to have anything. If Capcom dies then the main scene would most likely be Smash Bros. and NRS and I don't think either group would be as kind to lesser as Wizard.

>>386207394
I feel your pain friend. I felt like this about Starcraft 2. How could this one company Blizzard who has this huge legacy behind them completely fuck over one of the most prominent games of all time.

>>386210360
Trying to kill SFV is like that story of the goose that laid the golden egg, where the guy strangled the goose hoping for more riches. Instead he lost it all...

>>386210393
That's fine, just make sure to either:

>don't bring up SFV
>or if you do, say positive things about it, not negative

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>>386208385
>Maybe from SF3 onward

lol

If the community is so dependent on one game and one company then the community shouldn't be alive.

>>386210505
Because Tekken's movement is shitty and clunky and unfun, and the character designs suck ass

>>386210393
KoF 14 looks worse than fuckin ps2 games. Bloody Roar 3 looks better than that shit.

>>386210586
SFV is definitely not a goose that laid a golden egg. More like a dog that shit on my lawn.

>>386210691
I guess mmos shouldn't be alive either then, or hack n slashes, since they are also genres dependant on a single company to do anything

>>386205680
lmao
capcom explodes and somehow harada commits seppuko????????????????????????????????????

>>386210770
That "dog" shit out money to make big tournaments happen and get fighting games on fucking ESPN. More than anime ever did.

>>386210812
>Capcom dies
>other developers think of how their games sold less than Capcom products and have less tourney players
>they decide it isn't worth making them anymore
>fighters are dead, Tekken becomes a moba along wit Blazblue and GG

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>>386210691
I have to agree here. It wasn't anything I thought about before but if everyone has to defend and support SFV for the FGC to thrive I would prefer it didn't. The game is straight ass.

As for people like Chen thinking that this mindset is a "cancer," he can fuck off. Obviously people like us that are just enthusiasts don't have major stakes in the genre, but we also have the most genuine passion for it. I'm not obligated to defend a garbage game because I'm commentating for it at every major event. Seriously, he can go eat shit, although he already is.

>>386209843
So rather than just shut the fuck up after being called out for the retarded douchebag you are, you decide to double down on the random insults of a game I don't play. I don't care why they like it, it's a competently made fighting game that had a lot of effort put into it, and a lot of people seemed to care about it. That means something. Your insults, compared to that, mean nothing.

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>>386205304


SFV is OK but it needs some new, fun mechanics.

2nd supers for everyone or v-ism custom combos please

>>386210841
Couldn't care less. The game is ass. Getting publicity for fighting games doesn't mean anything if SFV doesn't even have any of the things I like about fighting games in it. The genre might as well be dead to me anyway so I have no qualms playing obscure shit for pride and other intrinsic reward.

>>386205680
Holy shit, /v/eddit/kappa btfo.

>>386205304
>FGCuck shit

fuck off

>>386206075
dark ages it's good
it means it stays niche and no money in it what so fucking ever
it's why pen and paper D&D is still good, because there is no Nationals for RPG or whatever the fuck

fuck e-sports

>>386210841
Who the fuck wants this shit on ESPN? Why is this good for anyone but Capcom and ESPN who presumably get to make money off of it? How do I fucking benefit? All I get are nerfed nipples and a whole lot of nothing.

>>386210952
That's fine, don't defend it, but would it kill you to not say it sucks? Just don't even bring the damn game up then. Was it necessary for you to say "The game is straight ass."? Next time just don't mention shit like that, it's negative.

>>386211020
2nd supers for everyone but combos are universally still easily optimized baby shit that nobody drops and everyone still just does stand roundhouse into v-trigger for easy hitconfirms or free frame advantage. V-ism custom combos and everyone will just do the same optimized shit just like right now. The game is doomed to being stale and boring forever because of Capcom's insistence on closing the skill gap for e-sports.

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No love for Mortal Kombat?

>>386211170
I assume he thinks people will see it and start playing which = community growth but that just isn't the case because ESPN appeals to a certain audience. And most of them don't play games and if they do they're sports games. The only people who watched SFV on ESPN and enjoyed it were people who already played the game. Others complained on Twitter about video games on being on the channel or went and watched something else.

>>386211086
>dark ages it's good

Dark Ages spawned games like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ney8bsAu8M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yypThmBPJE

https://youtu.be/8YD3BvgyxMw?t=104

You wanna go back to that shit? If you want your anime games with your cute little waifus to live, you'll support SFV, or else.

>>386205680
1 Million percent fact.

It's because of Capcom's influence on the community that other companies like Bandai Namco and Arc System Works are bringing their fucking A Game and trying to catch up to street fighter. Street Fighter dying just means that a bunch of faggots on /v/ and Reddit get to stroke their tortanic dick because something big failed and that's fun to people with no stake in this.

Meanwhile with Street Fighter's death, the community takes a huge hit and there are far less people helping and attending events. So now it's mostly Smash, which will drive out traditional fighting game fans and will slowly kill the community.

>>386210536
The guy posting "Upvote if you think SF5 sucks" and getting 3000 upvotes does not qualify as a thoughtful contrarian.

The discussion there is so braindead it's disgusting.

>>386210393
There's nothing wrong with that, and there's nothing wrong with criticizing SFV. /r/kappa is cancerous because it breeds a bunch of retarded zealots who dislike bomb every YouTube video Capcom puts out for the good of the FGC. They are explictly trying to make the game die, which is substantially different from thinking it's overrated or shitty. They have purity faggotry surrounding boycotting Street Fighter V streams and downvoting any posts which bring up anything positive about Capcom.

Honestly, it's just depressing to see everything Capcom does for their fans backfire. They put in Jedah, people whine about no blood or gore. They make combos easier because SF4's entire life cycle was dominated by whining about 1 frame links, faggots on the internet whine about the game being casualized. They add in fight money and retards manage to complain about even that.

>>386210439
Fate/Stay Mad

>>386211201
>don't bring up the damn game then
Nah fuck you. I always had something to love about each Street Fighter game and SFV had to come along and fuck it all up. I say negative shit about the game because it's bad, I spent an entire year playing it and hoping it would get better, and I still see people playing it and complaining about everything. I'm not delusional enough to say that a better fighting game will take SFV's place if it goes away, but I also don't want it to be the face of fighting games and I definitely don't want future games following its example. I don't use the word "shill" often but people that try to silence negativity about this turd are genuine shills.

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>>386211201
But you've been flaming other games throughout this entire thread. If you don't think people should say negative things, then maybe you shouldn't do it yourself.

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>>386210937
o yea that's exactly what happened to IBM right
they almost went under when microsoft launched a desktop OS

>STOP STOP, SUPPORT IBM OR COMPUTERS WILL DIE

you have no fucking idea of how competition works you fucking shill bill
if SF dies something simply takes over it's spot, it's that fucking simple

why am i even replying to bait

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>>386205304
>The mind of a Capcbro

>>386210841
doesnt make the game better. it just means that capcom will continue putting money into sf5.

sf5 finding mainstream success doesnt undo other games success. if you think sf crashing will bring other games with it, youre wrong. James looks at the success of EVO and thinks
>a rising tide raises all ships
but then concludes that the inverse is true.

as far as kappa is concerned, their fucking retards wasting their energy

>>386211490
There are equally thoughtless and contrarian posts and braindead discussions on pro-SFV websites like SRK. Try to think less about who is talking shit and think more about why they're doing it.

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>>386211432
ok now I know you're being sarcastic

>>386211572
I'm not trying to kill anime fighters though, people like you are actively trying to KILL SF V.

just play smash lmao

>SF was dead in the 2000s
>Tekken was still releasing games
>Guilty Gear was building steam

>>386211576
>if SF dies something simply takes over it's spot, it's that fucking simple

What if the thing that takes over is something far worse? You people want SFV to die, what if fucking ARMS is what takes its place?

>>386211678
I'm not. People think of the dark ages and go "but man, we got like tekken and gg so it was good!" You also got Kakuto Chojin, Tao Feng, Fight Club, endless shit 3d MK games, and more. The dark ages meant we got the dregs of the genre. SFV dies, we may end up getting Kakuto Chojin 2, or some shit like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bsCMpKu2Uo

>>386211086
Dark Ages was shit because no one fucking played. No I don't want to live and die by training mode or have to drive 3 hours or fly a goddamn plane just to finally fucking play someone. Go suck a dick you faggot.

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>>386211767
I don't remember asking you anything about "anime" fighters, and I'm not trying to kill anything. I'm actually enjoying learning Abigail at the moment, so you can go mcfuck yourself.

>>386211576
Nearly every TO is a SF player. If SF dies you'll get terribly run events and cancer just trying to kill another game.

>>386211642
Dumb fanboyism for anything is harmless. If there's a forum full of guys who think Mortal Kombat is the best fighting game I really don't give a shit. When a bunch of shitheads try to use social media influence to kill a company/franchise that's pretty cancerous though.

Street Fighter V is a decent game at best. It's too easy to get in on people and crush counters are a bad mechanic. The netcode sucks. It's also very boring to watch. I enjoy playing it because it has characters I find fun, but it's totally understandable if you don't.

I still think it's substantially better than SFIV at a similar stage in its life cycle, and it's competitively better than 3S. All fighting games have shit you have to put up with, if you hate something move on and try to grow your own scene.

>>386211792
where fighting games really dead during the early-mid 2000s. or it was just Capcom thinking no one was interested in them because SF3 bombed (because it featured literally whos) and Fighting evolution bombed (because it sucked)
maybe SNK going bankrupt also affected their decision to stay away from fighting games for a while too

>>386212040
>I don't remember asking you anything about "anime" fighters

This is such a lousy strategy to dodge what someone else says. No one doesn't have to respond to something you didn't say you fucking moron.

>If you don't enjoy SF than you are actively destroying the fighting game community!!!11!!
Please explain how this makes sense. If I don't play Call of Duty am I killing shooters? Remember by the time Dragonball fighters comes out there will be 5 major fighting game releases in a relatively short amount of time. More competition is a good thing.

>>386210782
aren't there atleast three big time popular mmos right now? and what the hell is the king of hack and slash?

>>386212145
Of course they weren't dead, the FGC nearly was, though, which is what he's actually dreading. That's all this fucking is, the FGC shitting itself because they don't want to go back to how it was during SF3 where none of them wanted to play it, and so they had no game to play as they refuse to play things that aren't Capcom. They have to try to pretend SF5 is good and convince people to keep playing it just because it exists, or else. Never mind that it's just fearmongering and /r/kappa isn't going to actually convince people they aren't having fun if they do genuinely like SF5.

>>386211858
Nothing will take over. The people that play fighting games for its own intrinsic reward will keep going to tournaments and the ones that did it for their livelihood will go to streaming or find other work. Better than the alternative where fighting games will be watered down messes with low skill ceilings that air on ESPN sometimes. I just want to see high level players doing things that nobody else can do. SFV is a cynical charade where every player does the same shit and it isn't even always clear if the better player won or not. And it seems like that's the route fighting games have to take to reach the notoriety that games like MOBAs and hearthstone have. No thanks.

>>386205304
SFV is shit and id rather the FGC die and no more fighting games ever be made than have utter shit like that become the norm.

>Meanwhile, in a-cho arcade in Kyoto...

>>386207516
>Daily reminder you are a nobody
DOOL WIELD

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>>386212236
>No one doesn't have to respond to something you didn't say

Can you unfuck yourself and re-type that with correct grammar so I have some idea of what the hell you meant? He was being a shithead and randomly brought up other games when all I did was tell him to stop flaming if he didn't like his game being insulted. You can't fight fire with fire, you fucking moron.

>>386211414
It's hard to say. I seriously doubt it being on ESPN hurt much, and there were a lot more players online after SFV's EVO showing.

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>>386211962
>SF dies with SFV

no?

>>386212749
You're a fool, Sora.

>>386211792
>>386212145

SF3 failed because:

1. Too many SF games. There was multiple games released every year for a decade. It's hard to keep interest.

2. The decline of Arcades. It wasn't until PS3/360 era when online became dominant, and provided an alternative to arcade competition.

3. The rise of 3D. All the interest was in 3D games. No one cared for 2D in 1998.

4. Dreamcast only. SF3 wouldn't see a PS2 release until 2004. If Third Strike was a PS2 launch title, it would have been more popular much earlier.

>>386212790
I'm not saying it hurt, it did help, it helped Capcom and ESPN. Didn't help the community in anyway. People being online the next day doesn't help. It were either new players or people coming back who will stop after a few days.

>>386212869
you're wasting your time
do you think this cuck you're replying to even played the original PSX or even the PS2? probably some xbox 360 kid with 20 FIFAs

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>>386212470
I mean I can sorta get it, Capcom puts a lot of money towards tournaments while Arcsys and Netherrealms barely care, SNK and Iron Galaxy don't have the money to be doing anything big, and Bamco isn't pushing Tekken as much as they can either.
I get that it's a real fear, but it's up to Capcom to deliver the game such hardcore players deserve.
Instead, they make stupid decisions and the fans just "take another one for Capcom". It's not even just with Fighting games, it's with their other IPs too. The only fanboys as okay with taking such abuse are Nintendo fanboys

>>386205304
This logic is just utterly flawed. If capcom is failing, it's by its own merits, not simply because of its critics. It they're getting lazy and let competition make a fool out of them, ITS IN CAPCOM. NO ONE ELSE.

In any case, SF giving way to other fighters shows growth of the fgc more than it just stagnating by solely revolving around street fighter like it's the centre of our fucking universe.

Look at the Situation with MvCI. The roster alone is looking to be a disaster, gameplay alone can not make up all of these faults. If there weren't other games like MvCI, than capcom would have nothing to worry about and it can easily be shilled to the comic fanboys and capcom fuckboys alike but with DRagon ball and the Blaze blue cross tag shit being a thing, it gets to be compared to capcoms trainwreck in the making and people aren't impressed.

Nature will always take its course when it comes to the strong surviving and If capcom cannot raise its standards and is unable to compete with other developers when it comes to fighting games, than it will die, unable to blame anyone but itself for not evolving. For expecting people to take mediocrity and unfinished games with gratitude.

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>>386205304
You should be mad at Capcom for making such shitty games. I am not going to support bad products, no matter who makes them. Capcom has forfeited their place as market leader and now other companies are vying for the top spot in the fighting game biz, which is how the free market works. I think that it's wonderful that the fighting game genre is too big to die just because Capcom is being a bunch of shit heads.

You sound like one of those rabid Nintendo fanboys telling everyone they should support Nintendo because "you owe them" or whatever bullshit appeal it may be. I don't owe anyone jack shit. I pay money for my games and if the game isn't good, I am under no obligation to buy it.

>>386205304
I mean I'd like sfv to not be shit, but it is.

>>386205784
Street Fighter is a boring piece of fucking garbage, and if it "needs" to live or else fighting games will die, then let it die. Also, James Chen needs to be executed immediately.

>>386212102
Are they actually trying to actively kill the game or are they just giving it a bunch of negative press? Like are they DDoSing capcom's servers or something? That would actually be cancerous for sure. If not then I say it's deserved.

Also, if you're putting a huge investment in a game you think is "decent at best," and I'm assuming you are because being good at any fighting game requires an investment, you're a faggot and I hope you're at least trying to get sponsored or something. But if you're just barely playing casually I would understand that, and you're probably playing the right game for that mindset.

what's going to be the excuse when SSFV drops?

>>386211792
You also forgot the slew of shit fighters that got made too, dumbass

>>386212869
The FGC plays a lot in arcades, that's why it's mostly in and around NYC and SoCal. Arcades declined country-wide years before then, it had no impact whatsoever on SF3's popularity among the FGC. Also, remember that the FGC only plays Capcom shit, they wouldn't have cared if it was in 3D or 2D, and that goes for it being on the Dreamcast, too. They'll go wherever the games are.

Fact is, they didn't want to play SF3. It wasn't similar enough to SF2 for them, so they shunned it. Now, we're seeing a soft repeat with SF5 where people are bitching saying they liked SF4 more, and that's triggering the fuck out of FGC guys who don't want to return to THEIR dark age, especially just as it's reaching such "lofty" heights as becoming a "real" esport.

>>386205304
anime games are only getting more and more popular
the genre won't die just because dicksucking capcom fanboys like you are too afraid to play anything besides street fighter
but please by all means feel free to continue bleating in terror at the thought you'll fade into irrelevancy where you belong

>>386212470
Street Fighter is relatively easy to pick up, so it's good as a flagship fighting game for the FGC.

A lot of other fighters are way harder to learn so it's hard to get people to play them. ArcSys games have abysmal player retention, which is largely because of online but also because getting comfortable with all the mechanics and character specific stuff takes time. When you have the option of playing four games which are all difficult to learn and which may not have a tournament scene for very long, it's understandable to shrug and walk away.

If SFV died and everybody picked up UNIEL that would be great, but because most people don't think that will happen, and you can't force it to happen, it probably won't fucking happen. This is the problem with games that are time consuming to pick up, you need players to have faith in their success if they're going to bother learning them.

>>386213352
tons of shit fighters are still being made to this day, what the fuck is your point? are you genuinely retarded?

>>386213146
>SF giving way to other fighters shows growth

This hasn't happened at all though. The only games that grew are KI and Tekken and it wasn't because of SF fucking up.

>>386212439
>and what the hell is the king of hack and slash?

Platinum Games. Imagined if there was a hate campaign against Platinum Games, and Bayonetta 3 came out and had some shit people didn't like. So people spend all their time shitting on Bayonetta 3, hoping it dies and hoping Platinum goes under. Not realizing that if Platinum dies, you'll NEVER see another hack n slash game again.

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>>386213541
If Bayonetta 3 is big enough garbage to destroy Platinum then it should.

>>386212515
>Nothing will take over. The people that play fighting games for its own intrinsic reward will keep going to tournaments and the ones that did it for their livelihood will go to streaming or find other work.


Those players are getting older, we can't go back to EVOs being in some dude's garage with Justin Wong and Daigo again and no new blood. If we do, wtf happens when those players quit fighters for whatever reason or die? Bam, the community dies. Making these games more accessible and mainstream helps to keep shit alive.

Also why the fuck does Capcom get all the flack, no one cared when Namco made Tekken more accessible with supers and stuff.

>>386212567
>SFV is shit and id rather the FGC die and no more fighting games ever be made than have utter shit like that become the norm.


Says someone who never plays fighters and has no stake in the genre.

>>386213476
I mean I love guilty gear and I'm slowly getting better at it, even plan on going to tournaments when I reach a decent level, but I'm not delusional enough to think that SFV's death will bring in a huge influx of players or anything to the scene.

I do, however, want the game to fail if it stays the way it is. It's an insult to the idea of fighting games being a place where different types of people can show off their unique playstyles in a place where everyone is trying to prove themselves. It's very cynical and depressing when all of that is gone and every player is just dashing and jumping and doing stand roundhouse into v-trigger with their paychecks and sponsorships on the line.

If that's what fighting games have to do to be e-sports then the future is looking pretty dark no matter what happens to Capcom and SFV.

>>386213798
>making these games more accessible and mainstream helps to keep shit alive
Bullshit. If you're willing to put in the work you can compete, no matter how high the skill floor is. It might take longer, but the reward is much higher too. Also, Tekken is still daunting as fuck to get into for people.

>>386213169
Fine, don't support it, but quit insulting the game and support what YOU like. Be positive, not negative. Hating Capcom and SFV and shitting on it is like drinking poison and expecting your enemies to die instead.

>>386213476
SF is actually incredibly difficult to pick up. Frame links are physically painful and combos are arcane and arbitrary, with tons of equally arbitrary redundancy to clear through before you come upon the "efficient" combos. Even SF5 wasn't really made to enable newbs and scrubs to aspire to greatness. To do anything other than roll around in bronze requires many, many hours of serious practice with just the systems in place before you can even consider really focusing on a main, though that's more for people unfamiliar with fighting games.

I personally picked up GG and SF3 fairly quickly, though I'm nowhere near "good" at either, I can at least play around and have fun and practice without feeling like I'm fighting the game itself instead of my opponent. In SF4 and 5 I still haven't gotten the hang of pretty much anything other than the most basic of shit, they're just frustrating to me, so I really feel like your claim is unjustified, regardless of the fact that it's frequently parroted on the internet.

>>386214215
People insult it because they want it to be better, not because they just hate Street Fighter. You would rather everyone who has critics just shut up and let Capcom keep putting out crap?

>>386214215
I'll support what I like AND talk tons of shit about Capcom and SFV, friendo. What gave you the impression that they were mutually exclusive? I was a capcom/SF fanboy once too and I hate seeing the franchise go in this cancerous direction for the sake of e-sports.

>>386213527
>tons of shit fighters are still being made to this day,


Name 5. You idiots put your nostalgia goggles on and only remember GG and MB and Tekken. Back in the dark ages we had TONS of shit fighters coming out, especially 3d ones. Kakuto Chojin and Tao Feng ring a bell?

>>386213713
But what if it's just a flawed game but decent? Should Bayonetta, Platinum, and the entire fucking hack and slash genre die for it? Would you want no more devil may cry games because a bunch of haters decided to "punish" Platinum?

>>386214215
If a game is that weak that it easily crumbles under "negativity" and doesn't take steps to improve itself and listen to objective arguments about its faults and openly addresses these concerns, than my silence isn't going to do you any favours.

>>386205304
>YOU EITHER DEAL WITH SHIT QUALITIY OR GET NOTHING
gee, guess I better start liking SFV now

kill yourself

>>386214018
>I do, however, want the game to fail if it stays the way it is.


Ok, that's fine, but let it die a natural death if that is the case. You guys wanna force it by constantly mentioning how shit SF V is(even though it isn't shit), and wanting it to die to prevent some "dark future", when it dying will create an even darker future.

No more fighting games.

>>386211361
NRS games have had horrible balance for such a long time. Doesn't help that Injustice 2 was fucking boring at Evo with Aquaman

>>386214461
Platinum already put out an abysmal game and they're still around. Plus the other anon said "if it was big enough garbage", I doubt he would want it to go down because a game was flawed but decent.

>>386214375
If the critics said their piece, why do they need to keep bringing it up? Don't like the game? Fine. You don't need to make threads and posts saying how it's so shit. Leave the game the fuck alone.

>>386214254
You probably didn't feel like you were fighting against the game when you were playing SF3 and GG because you could actually react to shit, probably. SFV is easy on your execution and its easy to understand but the game is fucking stressful and random. You can guess wrong once and get knocked down and put in the corner with no system mechanics or tech to mitigate the risks in your decision making.

So how can people blame the "haters" for bashing the new SF game for being a stressful clusterfuck AND boring at the same time?

>>386214716
>I doubt he would want it to go down because a game was flawed but decent.


So why do so many want SF V to fail, it isn't garbage, it's flawed but decent. You people don't know wtf a true garbage fighting game is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9DB4WdAl70

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>>386214729
BECAUSE CAPCOM STILL HASN'T FIXED A DAMN THING THAT'S WHY WE BRING UP THE PROBLEMS LOOK AT MARVEL YOU GOD DAMN IDIOT YES I'M MAD YOU'RE SO FUCKING DENSE

Another dumb fanboy with no feasible way to defend capcom calls everyone a braindead hater episode.

>be me
>love all fightans, tekken, sf, kof, gg, sc, vf, even love a lot of gimmicky fightans like anime games Naruto and dbz
>honestly think sfv is decent

Yet, it's capcom we are talking about, a company that acts like it was fucking Activision or EA, it's just those company have a reason to be with big money inside the business, meanwhile capcom barely keeping their head above water, yet they imploy same and sometimes even worse tactics.
Honestly wouldn't mind if capcom died and sold their IP s

>>386214708
NRS is also probably in the safest position of any fighting game developer. They have Warner Bros. backing, so they can keep coasting for a long time off of Mortal Kombat, DC, and whatever horror game they shore up the rights for.

>>386214831
I
don't
want
it
to
fail
I
want
it
fixed
and
for
capcom
to
do
better
and
yes
it
is
garbage

>>386214638
>You guys wanna force it by constantly mentioning how shit SFV is
Nigga if I wanted to force its death I would be rallying for people to DDoS Capcom's servers or making multiple steam accounts giving bad reviews to it or something. If I played the game, think its ass, and want to mourn for a franchise I once loved then let me talk shit. Shitheads like you, Chen, and SRK want to police everyone and guilt everyone into not saying anything bad about a pretty much objectively bad game can eat shit and fuck off.

>>386207227
I like fighters and play a lot of them besides sf but I find myself coming back to sf because of its accessibility. I tried to learn tekken with my girl Josie but after 200 matches and a 10% w/l and the game not telling me anything I just went back to sf. Its relieving if not straight up a pleasure just playing a fighter and learning as you go. I feel like a kid at an arcade with V holding my L's,running matches back,random battles and more. If this makes me a competitive drone whatever the fuck that means so be it.

But to aimlessly waddle in a fg that is harder to play mechanically and with less players and less outside resources and minimal in game resources.

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never in my fucking life would i expect this place of all to drink the fucking capcom kool aid and blatantly ignore the neglect capcom has given to this franchise. actually insulting to my intelligence to say that we're the ones killing the FGC with the mistreatment of street fighter and soon marvel

fuck is wrong with you guys? any video game franchise should be doomed to finish if they're gonna be treated this way. good luck seeing another DMC game for at least another 10 years with the last installment being as bad as it was

>>386214375
>niggers on twitter
>underage on reddit
>virgins on 4chan

>giving constructive criticism
its just shitposting and different people stating the same shit for the hundredth time. play a different game and shut the fuck up. everybody knows whats wrong with sf, the only time it's necessary to reiterate is the following

>im trying to get into fightan, whats a good game to start off with?
>theres a shitload out there. gg, tekken, blaszblue, unist are all good. play sf if you actual want to play aganst people.
>whats wrong with sf
>
>
>
>
educating a new player constructive.

>>386214916
I don't like NRS fighters cause they feel so damn clunky but if Ed Boon gets his wish for a Horror Monser Mash fighter I will play the fuck out of it.

>>386215085
It's really just one guy not really a group of people

>>386205485

>warzard

really? you couldnt find another series?

>>386214939
I share your opinion but what if Capcom is insistent on keeping the game the way it is? What then? Should it fail or should people just begrudgingly support it like the battered housewives that they are?

>>386214939
Then be positive about it. Quit saying the game is shit, trash, garbage and calling people shills for liking it. Simply say "hey, I really like the game but wish Capcom would fix such and such feature" See how easy that is?

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>actually trusting capcom to fix a video game that doesn't even make them money anymore
>these people installed a fucking rootkit on your computer and you think they still care

>>386215136
People wouldn't have to say the same shit over and over if capcom would address any of it. Keep being a dumbfuck though.

>>386214254
>To do anything other than roll around in bronze requires many, many hours of serious practice with just the systems in place before you can even consider really focusing on a main, though that's more for people unfamiliar with fighting games.
What the hell are you getting at?

What systems are in place which are a struggle to get a hang on?

With your second paragraph, I don't know what your criterion is for good. I can imagine you enjoying mashing stuff in GG while finding links intolerable, and a lot of SF3 characters can do okay with little other than lights or single hits confirmed into stuff. But if you mean you're having fun in training mode that honestly does not qualify in playing the game at a contributing level, at least as far as growing the community is concerned.

>>386214731
You have more defensive options in GG, but okizeme and setplay is forty times more dirty. The biggest reason ArcSys fighters scare away new players is that neutral is, relatively speaking, a much smaller part of the game, and you have to deal with pressure or apply pressure, both of which are less intuitive (reliant more on frame data and experience) and take longer to pick up.

Biggest capcbro shill in the FGC, fuck him and fuck capcom.

>If you are part of the FGC you MUST put up with Capcom's sub-par games, sub-par customer relations, sub-par business practices that gouge their loyal fan-base for every cent, and just general awful business practices.

Loving ever laugh. I'm glad I still get to be a consumer and not a lapdog because something might happen if people call out Capcom for the dogshit company they've become.

>>386215186
>simply say "hey, I really like the game but wish Capcom would fix such and such feature"
He just said the game is garbage the way it is right now. I feel this way too. It's garbage and trash, but I don't want it to be. People are negative because the game is bad. You are seriously delusional.

>>386215179
It should fail

>>386215186
I'll be positive when it actually gets fixed along with Marvel. And I haven't called anyone a shill for liking it why are you lying?
>Simply say "hey, I really like the game but wish Capcom would fix such and such feature"
You want me to simply say I like it? I don't like it, I hate it, I'll like it when it's fixed.

A lot of the SFV cast looks ugly, the lighting is weird, they look like they're made of plasticine. There was a conscious decision to give the girls bigger tits and asses to more sexualize them. I always liked how SF was more subtle with sexuality and subdued. All the girls were hot, and subtly focused on certain fetishes and outfits, to drive guys wild. Other series would just have generic bimbos with huge tits. That's boring.

>>386214979
How does saying the game is shit help anything though? Being so negative makes Capcom care less for your input, turns potential future players off to the game, and it stresses YOU out. Think of yourself man. It's better to be positive, think of what you LIKE about SFV, and politely mention what you would like fixed.

Think of it this way guys. If you were on a bus and the bus driver wasn't going as fast as you'd like, would you politely say "please sir, do you think you could drive faster/" Or instead scream "OMFG this bus is fucking shit, I hope it crashes!!!", then start attacking anyone else on the bus who disagrees and then try to grab the steering wheel to force it to crash and kill everyone onboard including yourself?

Okay, then. So I should excuse anything capcom does, suck their dick at every opportunity, and devote myself and recommend a game that I don't like or every fighting game will die?

Okay Chen, I'll uninstall Tekken 7 immediately.

If anything, the best way to save the FGC is for SF to die and some new, competent fighter to take it's place.

Unfortunately 20+ years of nostalgia is hard to dethrone, no matter how much worse it gets than the past.

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>>386208632

Holy shit sf fans are massive faggots and play sf because character have low amount of moves

>>386214841
YOUR A FUCKING NOBODY ON THE INTERNET. Capcom is a million dollar corporation. if you wanna bitch and moan, fine, i cant stop you, but understand that your a massive faggot.

>>386210318
>>spamming middle attack

That's SFV, Capbro.

>>386215572
>YOUR A FUCKING NOBODY ON THE INTERNET
I'm not the only one complaining
>but understand that your a massive faggot
Says the faggot that can't get enough of that Capcom dick out of their mouth

SFV is pretty lackluster but we've been through these motions before and idiots who act like it's the worst game ever made and killing fighting games just because it doesn't have arcade mode and leans too heavily on DLC are retarded

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If this is the face of fighting games I'd rather kill it with fire.

>>386215392
Then simply say "hey, I hope Capcom fixes such and such. For example, this:

>SFV thread
>"Hey guys, anyone liking SFV so far? Thinking of buying it."
>"Eh, not feeling the game right now sadly, I wish they'd fix the combo system to be more in depth."

This here is the wrong way:
>SFV thread
>"Hey guys, anyone liking SFV so far? Thinking of buying it."
>"You're buying this fucking garbage? This game is goddamned trash. Don't buy this shit, it needs to fucking DIE! Fucking combofiend won't fix the goddamn combo system motherfucking FAGGOT FUCK!"

>>386215308
>neutral is a much smaller part of the game
Not true at all. Winning neutral is how you get to your setplay, and even then you can't autopilot your pressure on someone that knows how to deal with your character or you'll go right back to neutral or even have to deal with your opponent's oki.

The real reason arcsys fighters scare away new players is because the amount of character and mechanical knowledge to even reach an intermediate level is vast as fuck compared to more accessible games. People don't go to dustloop or research anything, they get blown up by Leo players because they dont know to instant block his rekkas, throw his crossup, or interrupt his 6H so they say the game has no neutral and go back to SFV.

>>386215186
But I don't like the game. Why would I pretend that the game is okay and that its faults are minor?

>>386215291
good the game should die. obviously capcom isnt listening to anybody.

>>386205304
Get stuffed you corporate shill, and take that garbage called Street Fighter V with you while you're at it. I can't wait for when this game finally dies so I finally don't have to hear the pathetic Capcom Defense Force defend this shit game.

>>386215553
That katana girl in Uniel is impossible to use man

>>386215676

Rashido is the only good SFV newcomer. The rest are boring or absurd.

Where is C. Viper anyways?

>>386215714
But you can autopilot the fuck out of your pressure in SFV as long as you shimmy sometimes and grab sometimes. E-sports!

whatever
nobody here actually plays fighting games

>Capcom could have made SF4: Ultimate Ultra whatever,
>Use the new consoels as an excuse to re-release it
>Would have sold the same as SFV
>Would have cost a fraction to make
>Everyone would have been much happier

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die capcom!!!!!!!!!! die!!!!!!!!!!

i hate fighting games!!!!!!! ahahahaha!

>>386215676
>waaaaaaaaaaaah SFV isn't all serious and grimdark like muh tekken with its ultra serious buff yakuza lords that turn into monsters and shoot laser beams while sounding so manly

Tekken is for fucking fags who got a boner over Younger Toguro that never went away.

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How do we get the normalfag masses to accept superior anime fighters so they can take off and kill capcom games?

HOW TO IMPROVE STREET FIGHTER V:

-DECENT NETCODE

-NO CRUSH COUNTER POKES. Crush counters are a neat idea in a pressure situation- you read a button press and get a big combo if you're right, otherwise you're at frame disadvantage and things get reset to neutral. Throwing out crush counters in neutral so you get a big combo off of a landed fierce is fucking cancerous though, and is part of why neutral tends to be comparatively short lived in this game.

SLOWER DASH INS- I can't imagine how you would meaningfully give most characters longer normals at this point, so at least make dashes shittier so it isn't as viable to dash in for a mix up at footsies range.

>>386215553
Yuzuriha is really fucking hard to learn.

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reminder

>>386215816
>Where is C. Viper anyways?
No idea. I thought she was a lock seeing how 5 was meant to be faster and more offensive, which is Viper's thing especially later in 4's life.

>>386215676
Abigail is fucking cool vrrooom brbrbrbrbreee

SFV has failed on a consumer level and it deserved to. You should not rally to the defense of a company that has failed its consumer-base as massively as SFV has. Capcom royally fucked up with this game, and EVO viewer numbers are not going to change that.

>>386215912
15er spotted.

>>386215912
wtf lol? where did he mention tekken?
so defensive lmao

This pathetic cuck OP has been making pro sfv anti tekken threads all day

>>386215965
>-DECENT NETCODE
They need to start with fixing the UI. The main menu and all of its systems are archaic as fuck.

>>386215912
Look guys, a capcunt in his natural habitat

>>386215684
So you want me to not do anything when someone is thinking about buying a shitty product? I would tell them to buy a better fighting game if they want to play one. It seems like you're only problem is that people are making fun of the game you like :'(((((((
>Fucking combofiend won't fix the goddamn combo system motherfucking FAGGOT FUCK!
That's not what Combofiend does you fucking idiot

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>>386205304
But OP, I support the company with the biggest FGC presence. I play Sm4sh and Pokken, and I've been getting into ARMS recently too.

Pic related, my Pokken main.

>>386215684
You are such a pussy. Why are you so personally assblasted by people that are rude about not liking the game? Also if Capcom refuses to change the things that everyone is so vocal about needing to be changed, it probably DOES deserve to fade into obscurity. There are far better fighting games that get way less entrants and views, and thats fine, but if so many people hate SFV the way it is it probably doesn't deserve the honor of taking the FGC to new heights.

who here actually plays fighting games

>>386216140
+1

>>386205304
ArcSys is trying to kill Capcom, and I'm glad.

Capcom is a bunch of disappointing faggots and I can't remember them being any good since the PS1.

>>386215714
I meant neutral is a small part of things from a time perspective, not an importance one.

New players get like a five second burst of neutral to practice and then they're blocking shit. That makes it much harder to learn the neutral game match up, and the pressure game is much more sophisticated and character specific so they have to worry about that too. Instant blocking, for example, is the kind of mechanic that tremendously increases the game's skill ceiling, but in a way that tends to make new players feel helpless when all of their opponent's buttons seem safe.

It's silly to say GG is easy to learn, and it's equally silly to say most of its match ups are neutral heavy at a high level (tournament play proves otherwise).

>>386208632

Get a load of this faggot

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>>386215954
Make them look less faggy and anime, and more manly and urban. Like this.

>>386205680
Who the fuck thinks r/Kappa is the voice of the fighting game community

>>386216140
I used to play SFIV avidly and played a lot of ST on GGPO. I am not saying this as a joke or to be dramatic, SFV literally killed my interest in playing fighting games.

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>>386215783
Nothing is impossible

>>386216049
That's a relatively minor issue. Especially compared with netcode.

I just want to say
Fighting Games are really something great.

>>386215714
>The real reason arcsys fighters scare away new players is because the amount of character and mechanical knowledge to even reach an intermediate level is vast as fuck compared to more accessible games.

This. Everybody in these fucking anime games have their own gimmick with their own resources and rules it's not enough to know that if this character hits me with this move some of his moves will attract me but you must know all of the dirty shit as well coupled with the insane execution required and the extra defensive system mechanics you have to know to reduce the bullshit of anime fighters makes it almost impossible to get into. I envy the people that have the skills to play these games because they look amazing but it's a chore to say the least.

>>386216328
wow ur criticizing sfv??????? ok obviously reddit kappa ur kappa go back

>>386215528
>and some new, competent fighter to take it's place.

Hello:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ggdsM7fA4g

>>386216345
Not him but I want to play her. I can only do basic shit though, I don't get how people use stance and teleport moves, they always seem worthless in other games.

>>386216358
But I asked you about people you want to thank for supporting you

>>386216347
>That's a relatively minor issue.
Yes and no, especially when its the first thing you come across. And first impressions are everything.

>>386216239
never said its easy to learn, but I also think it should take a reasonable amount of work to get to the intermediate or competent level for a fighting game to provide the rewarding feeling that people like me are looking for. It's like your return on the investment, and it's totally absent in SFV. Not to mention that a game that has hundreds of thousands of people watching should have the technical skill ceiling to justify broadcasting "high level" matches to that many people.

High level GG is way more neutral heavy than SFV is at least, even when characters like Chipp are on screen that thrive in disrupting characters' neutral.

>>386216003
>>386216089
How am I wrong? You make fun of SFV characters but then you're ok with shit like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmlwfg3u8vw

>some old faggot vs some young faggot edgelord that turns into a monster when he gets real mad and STILL gets his ass kicked
>lots of closeups of them gazing into each others eyes and glistening with sweat as they talk in real deep voices about "ending" each other
>overly dramatic music trying to make this gay shit not seem not like the retarded joke it is

Least Ono doesn't take his shit seriously, Harada legit thinks this shit is badass, why do you think the fat fuck always walks around wearing shades indoors and trying to pretend to be a badass? Guy thinks he's hehiachi irl lmfao

>>386205485
Saturday Night slammmasters.

>>386215649
>I'm not the only one complaining
theyre obviously not listening to complaints, but instead to the money. if sf5 dies, then so will evo and the pro tour. I'm a youngfag, without any sentiment towards the brand. The series could die, for all i care.

>Says the faggot that can't get enough of that Capcom dick out of their mouth
ive stopped playing their shit game. Yes, i still catch streams.

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>>386216454
Yuzu can reposition to immediately let specific combos work, dodge attacks and just free hits, and or cross up if you're fast enough
https://twitter.com/takawarai0905/status/893047793673060352
https://twitter.com/bigorados/status/889961197709164546

I don't play her but apparently she got a bit easier to play