Post legitimately good reasons why you stopped playing, or why

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What do i win?

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>>386167496
>New meta every 3 months or so that requires you to buy packs of a. Ew expansion.
>Blatantly overpowered cards to enforce previous point.
>Strategies like zoolock and hunter.
>Every other player BMs
No thanks I'd rather shitpost on a Korean cryptocurrency board than play this shit excise for a game.

>>386167496
I haven't but if I ever fall behind because I haven't spent money on this, I'll stop playing.

>>386167496
But I still play Hearthstone anon

Games are legit fucking rigged.

>>386167496
i don't play RNG shitfests

>>386167851
For the record, I agree with you wholeheartedly,

But I find it hilarious that people hate this game competitively for the exact same reason people LOVE Magic The Gathering competitively.

I hate it in either case, but it's interesting to watch. Like, somehow, physical cards alone makes the whole thing worthwhile.

>>386167496
>Post legitimately good reasons why you stopped playing
>legitimately good reason

I got bored.

The game is heavily influenced by luck, moreso than most other cardgames.
Which would be fine, except it is built in such a way that encourages competitiveness.
Games take too long to finish even if one player clearly outclasses the other.

>>386167496
monthly grind is boring as shit. I don't want to spend majority of the time playing this game trying to get to legend with meta decks only to have a couple of days of fun at legend.
meta gets worse and worse, aggro shaman, pirate warrior into aggro druid/quest rogue.
only good time to play is at the start of expansion but then you have to may $$$ to participate. I ran out of dust this last expansion so I just stopped playing.

>>386167496
I quit because Shadowverse came out, and then I quit Shadowverse. Now I don't play any online card games anymore.

I just started playing again, I only did at release until I got bored.

It's got a very low skill ceiling compared to MTG and comes down to coinflips more often than not. That's fine as long as you realize you're playing a slot machine.

I have fun playing arena with friends on discord.

I quit when it took hours to complete a fucking daily at rank 24 because of farmers. That was way back when BRM had just been released.

I play eternal instead. Hearthstone is too expensive and the mechanics are shallow and boring. There are almost no meaningful decisions to make during gameplay. The dev team thinks the player base is too dumb for more than 18 deckslots, that should tell you all you need to know.

This game is honestly alright.
I like to play it in waves. A week on, a couple weeks off, a week on, etc.

The vast majority of the complaints for this game come from the competitive and full-time player scene, so I just don't do that.
Log in, play some matches. Do arena once or twice, log out, let it rest for a week or two.

I do the same thing with Overwatch.
Makes Hearthstone bearable, makes Overwatch legitimately fun.

It's pretty much diminishing returns for every expansion (excpet WoG was way better that TGT) combined with blizzard being so fucking greedy (i.e you can spend $50 and still not get nearly enough of what you want to be worth it). Axing adventures that give you a good chuck of playable cards for a decent price in lue of another expansion you have to shell out a bunch for was also a major reason.


The only cards games I play now are Eternal (which is actually the most generous in the genre) and Shardbound

Most decks aren't fun to play against. Mages are atrociously designed.

>>386167496
I'm poor. and my free time for gaming is better spent on getting through my backlog.

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>>386167496
Never been one for card games, tried to Enter into Magic when i was little, did click with me
Yu-gi-oh? same thing
Even fucking gwent, didnt bothered searching for more cards
I know it's a good game, but it's not for me

>>386167496
>new adventure often
>you need to beat all adventures to be able to compete
>each part of the adventure costs 700 gold
>can only get 100 gold a day if you're lucky
>too much damn rng

Boring, inferior magic clone.

Card games are dead.

>>386167496
I didn't care to drop cash every few months for new cards to stay relevant. It's the same reason I quit Magic. That and even at rank 25 people are running the latest net decks.

Too grindy.

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This pretty much killed my will to play hearthstone, not that it was strong in the first place
What a shitty way to approach a problem that only a few select shitters complain about because they can't play their "delay the game for 20 minutes and win" tactic

Because I didnt want to whale a game where you need a whole new expansion set every couple of months, and this games only purpose is to make you nostalgic for WoW

I played it some today. It's a relaxing few minutes most of the time. Wednesday is tavern brawl day, my favorite.

Not being able to dust Thermaplugg for 1.6k after Leper Gnome got nerfed

Fuck these jews

>>386167496
I came to my senses and realized that Blizzard-tier game balancing wasn't going to work with a ccg.

I still play. It's the best digital card game at the moment, and I don't see that changing any time soon seeing as no competitor devs seem to have heard of what audiovisual design is. At least Shadowverse is fapbait and owns it, the rest are just garbage including gwent which looks and feels blander than MTGO's client. That's a fucking achievement right there.

I still play HS because it's fun, every hardcore gaymer I know says I'm casual scum tho.

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>>386167496

I switched to Shadowverse a year ago waiting on Hearthstone to get better, but I'm not entirely happy how esports it's gotten, there isn't many decks you can play if you want to win these days. Now I'm just going to play Fable Fortune since it's literally Hearthstone 2.0 with better mechanics in early access. It's got Xbox players to bolster the community too so it won't just fade away like all the other card games on Steam.

>>386167496
Too many cards that does random shit and almost no way for a player who hasn't been playing forever to come close to catching up without spending a shit ton of money. Game is really unfriendly towards new players especially compared to Shadowverse which shits out packs to help you make a semi-competitive deck.

>>386167496
Because I felt like a customer and not a player. I've spent over £300 on HS and it's amazing how stingy Blizzard is with dust/gold/packs.

Because better alternatives.

Gwent is mostly fine, they need to release more cards and gain more variety.

TES Legends, despite the SKYRIM meme, actually holds up really well, doesn't take long to make a valid deck, and the meta still hasn't settled since the expansion so there's quite a bit of experimentation. Plus better mechanics (the prophecy system is interesting, mostly gives control decks a chance to keep aggro in check)

>>386167496
OP is a fag but here's why I quit

>Meta is established extremely quick because of streamers, generally within the first week
>Meta is always 1/2 decks rape and everything else is okay-ish when you pull that one combo off
>At higher levels when BOTH players have the same meta deck (because you have to if youre trying to climb) game comes down to whose RNG effect pulls the bigger guy

pay to win

Switched to Shadowverse, Gwent and Eternal
The Hearthstone team are just a bunch of incompetent monkeys that don't playtest and don't know how to print good answers

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>>386167496
Vampy

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>>386167496
This meta is a dumpster fire. Ice Block and the Rogue quest are fucking miserable to play against.

It's just not fun anymore.

>>386167496
>DING DONG

>>386169386
Oh and also Blizzard fans are the most cancerous faggots I've ever seen. These people will literally ask for less free shit and shout down anyone who complains about shitty arena awards/aggro meta etc.

>>386169739

Look into Eternal or Fable Fortune, literally just better games. I can't fucking believe how incompetent and jewish Blizzard is with HS. Literally every decision they make has nothing to do with fun and just about money. I don't know how anyone stayed around after the third expansion.

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>>386167496
Arena isn't free, they should have a rewardless, or limited reward version of it that doesn't have a fee

Yes I'm too shit at the game to pay for arena with arena wins

>>386170043
Eternal has such a mode, but you can only play against AI

>>386167496
because they started phasing out sets instead of doing balance patches like they should've done.

Shadowverse

>>386167496
I stopped last september. I've played it a lot in the dead moments at work all summer along, but then it just became somewhat boring. I must add that i hate the microtransaction sistem in this game, its a shameless cashgrab and the whole mecanism gravitate around it. I totally dont care if you want to buy a stupid weapon skin or cosmetic shit, or if you pay for, say, instalevel or shit Like that. But in this game payng totally boost you, and this contributed to kill it for me.

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>>386167496
>Everyone in this thread be like: Waaa mommy won't let me use her money to buy card packs; this game is so pay to win!

Wow.. do you guys even have a job? what kinda shit topia do you /v/ fags come that pays you in layers bubble gum instead of actual money?

This game is pretty fun to play if you spend a little money and use what cards you crafted from the packs you dusted to get things rolling.. it's really not that hard.. but considering /v/ is full of broke tit suckers that can't tell their ass from their forehead i'm afraid no one here can truly understand the joys that can be had with Hearthstone.

>Tldr: Get a job

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>>386169034
>it's fucking real
It's like a jade crab but much more oppressive

>>386168141
Magic has a competetive scene outside of standard though. And they have DOZENS of playstyles. And instants are fun to use on your opponents . < is why I stopped playing. Not enough strategizing.

I just don't like how digital card game makers think they can get away with their retarded pricing structure just because it's a card game.

REAL LIFE card games can get away with that shit because they're real cards. If I pay you money, you're giving me real, physical, tangible items.

If I pay money in a digital card game in the same way, then I don't get anything. No exchange took place. I gave you money, and you gave me access to something that was already a part of the game's code as stored on my hard drive. In other words, something I already owned.

There just needs to be an option in these games that allows you to unlock a playset of all the cards. I'm not even saying they need to do away with the F2P method entirely, just allow me to pay for a full game and receive a full game. This piecemeal bullshit doesn't fly.

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>>386167496
>learning how to play HearthStone

gwent and tesl are better

>>386167496
I switched to shadowverse

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>>386167496
The blatant refusal to allow the game to be fun
>losing gives literally nothing
Sure they added one or two quests recently that allow you to lose and still progress but I'm talking since fucking CLOSED BETA
I've been calling for them to allow losses to count towards the 30 win = 100g daily and they've always refused.
I'm not autistic enough to attempt to win 30 times a day and that system only encourages people to play the meta decks to get guaranteed wins instead of being creative.

It was painfully obvious what a shitshow this game would be when everyone started netdecking the second it was released to the public. There's no reason not to netdeck and Blizzard actively encourages it.

Go fuck yourself Ben Brode
You can't make cards balanced and you can't even do the bare minimum of making it fun. If you love RNG so much go play russian roulette solo.

>>386167851

Pretty much this

>Have to pay to stay on top of the meta
>New expansion every 3 months making 1 previous expansion go out of rotation and not usable in standard mode
>New expansion comes out with cards that counter previous expansion
>Netdecks everywhere

I just play f2p and collect cards and do brawl every wednesday. Thats it.

>>386170415
I'll never know if posts like these are being serious while attempting to insult people or if it's just bait.
I see the argument so often I'm starting to believe it's the former.

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>>386170415

I'm about to drop 80 bucks on Fable Fortune. I'd rather not spend money on Hearthstone anymore.

>>386167496
it costs too much to build a viable deck. you cannot trade cards, which limits you to blindly shooting for your legendary or a sparse epic. only redeeming factor is arena

>>386167496
I play SolForge

>>386167851
>Play arena

problem solved

Low interaction high variance shit game.

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>>386170520
>MtG
>pay money, receive cards
>digital CCGs
>pay money, receive cards
Where's the difference

>>386167496
Story mode locking out a bunch of mandatory cards. Followed by falling behind and not wanting to spend more money on this game.

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>>386170415

>You in this thread be like: Waaa why wont everyone lick Blizzard's shaft like me and funnel them my mediocre earnings for digital cards like a good goy; this game is pretty fun to play!

>Tldr: Stop enabling jews you shit eater

>>386170696
>BAWW I SHOULD BE REWARDED FOR LOSING

Is this bait?

Also when L5R drops after gen con all other card games are dead to me for a month or two

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>>386170769
>play arena
The biggest RNG fuckfest in the game? The one that everyone knows is just pick the best card for the mana cost and move on?
Okay.jpeg

Get out of here Brodeling

>>386170696

>It was painfully obvious what a shitshow this game would be when everyone started netdecking the second it was released to the public.
To be fair, that's literally every CCG ever made, digital or physical.

There's fucking Magic The Gathering decklists on Usenet forums in 1995.

>>386170801
You don't actually get the cards, you can't trade them or sell them.

>>386167496
To much random shit and no real thinking required other then playing on curve

Is Fable Fortunes actually worth the 15 dollar price tag?

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>>386167851
>dirt cheap pirate warrior Tier 1 for a year

>>386167496
played since beta. stopped 2 months ago because every piece of content of the last year was shit. karazan, MSG and ungoro all terrible trash. done forever

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>>386170975
But you can use them?????

>>386170759

Your a cool guy anon. I miss the fun card games that tried to be different with lanes like Duel of Champions and Scrolls. I'm surprised anyone even remembers Solforge or even that it still has a community.

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>>386168830
Paid adventures are gone forever, any new single player content will be free for everyone but if you want cards you gotta pay hundreds more for packs now.
A literal monkey paw's wish.

Thought the sense of progression was pretty lacking. Play until you hit a wall with what your deck is capable of. Then doing the same thing next month. Whether you spend real money or earn packs in game, it's all a crap shoot to get what you actually want.

>>386171005
>is a non-released product worth paying for to alpha test it with no guarantee it will ever see the light of day?
No.

>>386170461
the devs are terrible at fixing issues. its so heavy handed its a slap in the face. the pirate crab was already retarded but this takes the cake. this game is dead as shit

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>/v/ will defend this

>>386170948
Yeah coming from MTG where limited formats are good and interesting Hearthstone's draft format is amazingly primitive and bad.

Card games are the original pay-to-win game. I didn't like them when you had to go to a shop to buy booster packs, I don't like them when you do it online. I don't care that it is Blizzard one way or the other. I want less rng in games.

Though I do respect that it's a successful game built in Unity, compared to the horse shit being slung on Steam.

>>386167496
It's a shit game and you need to kill yourself shill.

>>386171260
Yeah, because it's fucking great

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>>386169294
I fucking wish all these hearthstone clones did fucking cards right, I hate that it's a fucking CARD GAME and the cards are just fucking rectangles with no boarders or anything to make them look like real CARDS.

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I've played since Naxx and let me say this, the game was better when everything was overpowered.

Now they're just throwing shit to a wall and seeing what sticks, I still have it installed because my buddies need someone for their free 80 gold, but that's about it. Otherwise the game with Mean Streets of Gadgetzan.

Old Gods was the best thing to ever happen to the game besides LoE, all downhill from there.

>>386171260
Gwent is incredible, they just need to sort out their update schedule and the game will wipe the floor with the competition

>>386171372
I disagree.

>>386170898
>I should be rewarded for PLAYING
video games

With MSoG coming I realized I don't feel like revamping my deck to fit the new meta. Not enough resources, not enough will. Hearthstone is more enjoyable to watch than play.

>>386171372
>implying it's great when it's just dagon, dorfs, and sk discard

Stop fooling yourself.

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I see more and more people mentioning Eternal in card game threads. Really hope it gets rolling and popular cause it deserves it.

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>>386170898
iS tHiS bAiT?

>>386170958
Do you think I'm retarded? Of course netdecks exist in any game BUT MtG doesnt encourage netdecks in the way that Hearthstone does.
Playing the game is a way of unlocking cards for HS, and by limiting you to only winning to earn more cards, they're encouraging you to only play decks that give guaranteed results.

If HS was a p2p only game I wouldn't give a fuck. But the system they've set up is abysmal, you can't argue that.

>>386171397
The game died with Mean streets*

It was the biggest flop ever

>>386171260
Gwent is an amazing card game with a great system in place, their major flaw is their balancing needs some forethought when it gets put out and their scheduling needs to be more consistent, otherwise you can have an amazing time being F2P with gwent

>>386167496
I haven't stopped playing and I hit legend on a regular basis. I've also wasted a ton of money.

>>386170904
I had no idea what L5R was before this moment.
And then I googled it and now I'm mad, because Fantasy Flight continues to insist on making new games, instead of fixing the long-running shit they've already got.

Netrunner used to be my favorite game of all time, and now it's a clusterfuck with a dwindling playerbase and an ever-expanding library of binder-only cards because they keep throwing out shit like this, instead of fixing their shit

Why is Magic the gathering so fucking superior to these games?

>>386171517
>Twitter/Facebook memes

Oh, you're just a retarded summerfag.

>>386171495
>this entire game is bad because of this handful of things that will be nerfed in a couple of weeks

Have you had your Ritalin today?

>>386171658
More variety, instant speed spells and abilities, more value from packs, able to purchase singles, etc.

>>386171658
Because like every other decent TCG it lets you interact with your opponent on their turn

>>386171658
I'd argue magic seems great because it was the forefather of everything else so everyone looks at it with nostalgia goggles, it has it's major flaws though, like being fucking expensive

>>386171658
Superior in what? Physical card game? Wins by default since you're comparing it to digital. Digital card game in the form of MTGO? Literally the worst experience I've ever had in a digital card game. What a pile of garbage. Card game in general? 20+ fucking years of experience.

>>386171514
I don't think it's gonna get very popular.
I love it because it succeeds at streamlining MtG in every way that Hearthstone failed miserably, but the mainstream audiences don't want MtG

>>386167496

Got bored, and Ben Brode's embracing RNG instead of rejecting it.

To me, it's funner to watch RNG turning the tables on a player than it is to actually experience it.

>>386170415
This. Compared to other f2p games you have to spend a bit of money on hs. But compared to magic the gathering you have to spend no fucking money at all. I have a friend who plays magic every Friday, and he has dropped over six hundred dollars on cards. Meanwhile, I used Bing pong and Amazon coins to buy all the adventures, which means I've spent $0 on the game

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>>386169034
>jade idol is a problem because it made certain decks impossible to play
>"to fix this, let's add a card that makes certain decks impossible to play!

>>386171791
That is one of the reasons Hearthstone works though. Because you don't have to check with your opponent for every action. It's also one of the many reasons why MTG as a digital card game with no changes is absolutely abysmal.

>>386167496
What is your favorite class? Do you play pirate warrior like a faggot?

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>>386171660
You tried.

>>386171679
>believing CDPR can actually fix things with new patches

They don't know how to balance. SK was "nerfed" previously and is still one of only three decks that are viable in high MMR. Monsters have been strong since open beta began. Dorfs are just solitaire.

Until I actually see some real balance changes coming from CDPR, it's mediocre.

>hearthstone
Literal trash, game died with the embracing of the word """random"" and they never rid of the Charge mechanic

>Shadowverse
Decent game that's in essence a hearthstone clone ruined by its aesthetic and art style

>TES:L
Interesting game but prophecy is absolute cancer, and the "shadow lane". Why.

>Gwent
new and exciting, game needs more cards, also a higher minimum because 25 is way too small because it just creates super power swings, also their scheduling with updates needs fixing, still a beta tho

It's p2w trash.

>>386172054
Jade druid is fucking miserable to play against as ANY other control deck. Getting rid of it adds versatility to the game. Sorry you crafted Fangdral.

>>386172063
Certain strategies are completely crippled by instant speed not being there.
You can't really have true control in Hearthstone because you're made to use your resources inefficiently (because you can only react to things in your own turn)

>>386172097
Freeze Mage after Control Warrior disappeared. I love decks that outright shit on my opponent's strategies.

I only really enjoyed the single player mode.

When I found myself only playing to complete daily quests I asked myself "why am I even doing this?" because the gameplay has no point to it. I had figured out how to play the game and there wasn't really anything else to discover after that point. Once you understand value, tempo and meta there's no point to even playing anymore. The game is solved.

>>386172212
You can hit legend in like 2 weeks without paying a dime if you arent a shieldbearer4lyfe

>>386172146
How did the game die when it has a gigantic playerbase that actually hit an all time high in the latest expansion?

>>386167496
It's a game that's decided by who has spent the most money first and then by who got the better dice roll

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>>386171005

The next patch has bug fixes and Co-op partys for PVE. It's worth it, but realize it's buggy. I've been addicted to it and it actually peeled me away from Shadowverse. I personally recommend it if you love Hearthstone, but want something better. It is mechanically better than Hearthstone and has much less invasive and unfun RNG while still allowing raw stats to useful instead of just having all combo cards.

Merchant is way better than Druid
Alchemist is a buffing version of Mage
Gravedigger is a much more toned down murloc deck necromancer
Knight is almost as faggy as Paladin
Prophet is a way more useful version of Priest
Shapeshifter is Hunter meets Mage

All viable at the moment, Gravedigger is SLIGHTLY underwhelming, but is seen in the top 5% atm.

Fire Mage and Gambler is on the roadmap

>>386171381

I'm actually a fan of the art style. It's like a darker version of Faeria.

>>386170509
You can play wild then.
If you like Hearthstone, I mean.
You don't have to play the same stale meta decks.
I

Game is garbage because Blizzard keeps removing every strategy that isn't "play on curve and hit face with minion"

it's not fun

>>386167496
I stopped playing because it's pay to win.

>>386172474
What part of your asshole is your source for that claim?

The Journey to Un'goro drew the lowest interest in the game's history of expansions and contrary to what R*ddit claims, it's a fucking disaster. Mage and Shaman are utterly broken and they are going to be even more broken

Forced 50/50

>>386171061
If you can do 1 out of the 3 things you can do with physical cards, they should be valued at 1/3 the price of physical cards.

>>386167496
Played once and got destroyed by some guy that pulled a card that gave him full health when at 2 hp

Didnt like bullshit required to do naxxramas when it first released and didnt enjoy the game enough beforehand to power through it

>>386172329
so just gut jade idol instead of printing this shit that might cause other problems

>>386171658
garfield-kun

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>>386167496
I started playing last week because my siblings play. Could you guys help me with my deck? I'm planning on crafting two steam surgers, aside from the fire plume phoenix what should I remove to make room?

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Basically what made me uninstall

>>386172647
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170504006637/en/Activision-Blizzard-Announces-Better-Than-Expected-Record-First-Quarter-2017

>Hearthstone set a new all-time Daily Active Users (DAUs)B record last month with the release of a new expansion, Journey to Un’Goro™.

>>386172721
Bruh, life is short and you won't be able to take your money with you when you die
Spend it on things you enjoy

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played untill that oturnament expansion game got boring and im not giving activision shekels

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>>386170769
>Play arena

I only want to play arena. Every update made it harder to consistently win. I didn't even give a shit about the pack rewards, just let me play for free and give me nothing.

>>386172951
DEAD GAME! PLEASE PLAY GWENT! Pretty please.

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There's legitimately no good reason to play the game. It's overpriced garbage decided by rolling a dice. Blizzard has no idea what they're doing and Ben Brode is just a happy go lucky PR guy who blizzard shills suck off because "my reassuring communication".

He's a PR man, he gets paid to be a PR man, yet R*ddit falls for his shit every fucking expansion. Breaking news, game's still expensive and has gotten even more pricey in Yurop. It's the most unfriendly game towards new player I've ever seen yet somehow people still buy in their blatant garbage game design.


Remember when they had a fucking announcement for DECK SLOTS after YEARS? and it was CELEBRATED? That's how low the standards for this game, when your code is so fucking garbage that you finally get around to putting in MORE SLOTS FOR FUCKING DECKS in a card game after several years of people asking why it's limited.

>>386172859
Dude just play secret or tempo mage

>>386173553
>There's legitimately no good reason to play the game.
What about the fact that it's relaxing and I have fun?

>>386173663
Dude shut the fuck up I lost 3 times in a row!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im frickin pissed!!!!!!!

>>386172859
Get ready for Frost Lich Jaina, my dude.

>>386173663
Have fun by all means, but if rolling a 6 sided die is your cup of tea I'd suggest a lot better games that are better at doing just that that require no investment.

Why are fun decks so fucking shit?
The thing i despise the most is the fact that exists such thing as "tier decks" and every game is just you vs a twat that copypasted a deck from some online guide.
This would be ok on a competitive level, but seems that everyone is a tryhard and the only way to hit 10 rank or less is to chew on the meta cock. I know it's unreasonable, but it would be great if everyone had to make their deck blind, and obtaining new cards was harder.
The best thing is making a meme deck, loose some games and then start doing little fixes based on experience and game situations untill you can wreck opponents bu using only gorillas
Is there a game that you can play with the blessing of ignorance, like you used to as a kid with your retarded friends?

>>386173553
Why do you make a new post trying to shit on the game when you already got proven retarded already in this thread and ignored it? Pathetic faggot, at least have the decency to close the thread and fuck off if you're not going to admit your stupidity.

>>386172329
>getting rid of jade idol adds versatility
i can't wait for the "i'm behind 7000 ice blocks" and taunt warrior meta

>>386173603
I started playing last week, I think those decks require the karazhan adventure among other things.

>>386173785
If I get her I'll try to make some sort of ice/elemental hybrid, it looks like a neat card.

Unbalanced & poorly thought out concepts (pretty much everything involving the word "Random")
Zero playtesting
Few updates in between major content updates.
"Balancing" involves gutting entire strategies and staple cards
Pulling cards from the Evergreen set because of "design space :^)"
Overemphasis on printing hate cards designed solely to completely invalidate specific strategies.
Implementing a rotation system in a digital card game rather than just, I don't know, balancing the god damn game with regular patches

Fable Fortune seems fun (from a humorous point of view), it reminds me a lot The Spoils. shame I don't know if I want to play another HS-like game

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>>386167496
- Braindead autopilot decks that require no skill or decisionmaking
- So much RNG that winning or losing is almost completely out of my control
- Slow players
- Lack of interactivity - on your opponent's turn, you can only watch
- Incredibly stingy F2P model
- Incredibly expensive packs for how little they give you
- Gaining gold from playing is incredibly slow
- Quests are tedious and time-consuming and give too small rewards
- Epics and legendaries are way too rare and mandatory for decks
- All formats except standard ranked (the most boring format) completely unsupported
- Arrogant dev team that dismisses all complaints and concerns
- Almost no balance patches
- Useless old cards never get buffed
- When something gets nerfed, it's nerfed straight to complete uselessness instead of aiming for fairness
- Card pool is shallow, no opportunities for creative deckbuilding
- Almost no interesting synergies or combos, if someone finds an effective combo it is seen as a design error instead of encouraged
- No sense of progress of any kind
- Buggy
- Slow
- Not fun
- Game sucks dick

>>386168141
Except if you get bored of MTG you can sell your cards

>>386167496
>The f2p grind was ridiculous once they started shitting out adventures, cutting down on arena awards and making arena less skill intensive. >Nerfing every deck I like to play with or against because "we can't have combo or the casuals will leave."
>Keep all of the brain dead curve decks because "isn't board control fun guise xD"
>The grind to legend every month was boring and monotonous unless I found some broken deck or niche to attack before the meta could react
>Other card games exist that are strictly better in all aspects
>I have no friends to play with

>>386167496
I switched to Shadowverse because my friends and I can play Arena against each other for free as many times as we want.

>>386174191
t. shieldbearer

pay to win game model

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>>386174191

>>386167496
I already play magic

>>386174005
Taunt warrior is garbage but mage iceblock literally needs to be removed from the game, I do agree on that. Still infinite jade idols is fucking retarded.

>>386174205
For a fraction of their market price unless you're a well known seller

>>386174647
first quest rogue getting nerfed and now this, taunt warrior will only get stronger

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>>386167496
As someone who has unfortunately invested in this disaster let me start

>""Random""
>No graveyard mechanic like other card games
>Discover as a mechanic
>Listening to reddit too much
>Expensive
>Not F2P friendly without grinding for several months on end
>Everyone's a netdecker
>0 idea creativity
>Horrible community that sucks Blizzard's cock for 2 weeks then shits on them for 4 months till the next expansion
>No balance updates because they believe the
'meta will fix its self'
>They pack all their expansions with filler cards just to fill packs with useless commons and rares
>They make shitty legendaries 80% of the time with only 2-3 being blatantly overpowered every expansion
>They powercreep class cards too much
>There's too much damage for 30 health
>There's 0 comeback after your opponent curves out every turn
>Everything fun is shit and anything that took remotely skill to pilot was nerfed because people whined because of it being ""oppressive"" (Grim Patron)
>When they nerf cards that blatantly make them unplayable
>The code for their game is fucking horrible (they've admitted this)
>The price for what you get in packs is hot garbage in terms of real moeny

>>386174684
So? Still getting some of your money back

>>386167496
I love hearthstones presentation its great but i dont like spending money on microtransactions and i dont feel like grinding for hours just to hopefully get some fun cards, and over the past few years ive come to appreciate the physicality of media again and id rather spend $20 to get a few cards i know i can use or a special package like yugioh's gold series boxes which come with a more refined selection of rare and or "good" cards once in a while to see what i get

>>386174647
Iceblock is the only card in this entire garbage game that actually forces people to use their brain and counteracts RNG garbage

>>386172552

Wild is completely unsupported by Blizzard.

Only thing Blizzard supports is standard ranked, which is by far the worst format in the game, the most boring and most unbalanced.

>>386174684
>For a fraction of their market price
If you are a fucking retard and don't know how to sell shit online at or above your buying price

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>>386174965
Which is why it's going into the Hall of Fame in the near future.

>>386172974
Not him, but exactly, time and money is limited, why would I waste money in this p2w random fuckfest of a game when I could buy a lot of other things that would bring me greater entertainment compared to this.

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>>386174369
>I can't refute a single word he said so I'll imply he's bad and hope that works

Come try gwent, it's different, you get 2-3 kegs (packs) a day just by playing, you don't even need to win the game to get rewards, just rounds which add up. (every game is a best out of 3 rounds)

After a month and a half of playing most people almost have a full collection of cards

>>386175262
I never said you should spend your money on Hearthstone

>>386175387
t.shieldbearer

>>386175057
Haha just send your cards first bro :)
You're not a reputable seller after all ;)

>>386167496
I didn't enjoy it so I stopped

>>386175612
you're just proving his point

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>>386167496
Eternal is better
it just doesn't have all the frilly shit people like (card backs, extra boards, cosmetic stuff) and the content release schedule has been abysmal
>in closed beta forever
>has an adventure with a few cards released in that and as promo releases
>finally releases a full expansion after months of being going open
also hurts that set 2 is meh as hell
>lifeforce is borderline unplayable because of big decksize and not enough activators
>mentor is only good on big bird and Leave a Witness
>I've never seen someone play spark cards
>set 1 cards are too efficient and can't be beat

>>386175790
>tfw i have over 4000 dust but i don't want to waste it on some card because time one month it will be out of meta

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They've brainwashed thousands of people into shilling for them

>>386175554
t.two kid shieldbearers in a coat trying to pass as an adult

>>386175998

The sad fact is that the world has millions of dumb children who play Blizzard games exclusively no matter how bad they are because they don't know of anything else.

>>386176106
dude take that back

Too expensive and I don't even get to physically collect and hold the cards.

Also, it isn't a TCG, it's a CG.

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>>386167496
I havent played since One Night in Karazhan.
What kind of deck should I run? I have 7000 dust.
Whats the new gamebreaking cards?

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>>386175970
>tfw I have 10k dust with another 11k worth of extras, 14k gold and haven't spent a cent since 2014

>>386167496
It's exploitative p2w garbage.
It's designed to exploit gambling addicts and whales who can't resist buying packs and who can't resist playing one more game because once in a blue moon they get lucky and draw a 1TK.

And everything is massively overpriced.

It's a simplified, dumbed down CCG with WoW lore plugged into it, yet they charge exorbitant prices you MUST pay to remain competitive.

In the early days, pro players tried to do new accounts to Rank 1, and they only ever succeeded by abusing Arena and dusting everything that didn't fit their perfect netdeck.

Nowdays, that's not even possible. Basic cards just can't compete with decks that cost $100+ to RNG into or craft.

Thus, the game has become p2w. There is no avenue to success that does not cost money.

>>386175459
I want to so bad but hearthstone has me trapped because of all the money i have spent on it... help me...Ben Brode is draining my life away...

>>386176930
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2TlqswALdg

>>386170769
If Arena were free, sure, hell yeah.
But it's not. They charge you to play it and if you have a string of bad luck or are a newbie you get fucked out of your gold and can't keep playing.

I only play arena as ladder is impossible to climb without key legendary and epics.

t. Rank 20

>>386167496
>Blizzard doesn't know how to balance classes properly
>Arena has been untouched mechanically since release
>RANDOM WACKY EFFECTS!!
>Even fucking card packs are random

Quit couple months ago, done wasting my money and time on this awful game.

>>386176849
No you just wasted hundreds if not thousands of hours of your life.

Good for you

>>386171804
literally the only "flaw" is the price of mtg. and that's only a flaw to poor people. mtg is rightly respected as the greatest because nothing is better.

>>386177124
>shit I'm missing drops
>shit I'm flooding

MTG has is share of problems

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Finally a good place to post this in. I was playing this dude and we were both out of cards until he pulls this bull shit. Is this an actual thing you can get by just playing or did I get wrecked by some pay to win faggot???

>>386177123
Spending hundreds of hours on a game over the span of 4 years isn't a big deal. I just do dailies and didn't stop playing. I do not spend more than half an hour a day on average playing HS. I'm just not an autist, so I have friends to do a lot of 80g quests frequently.

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>>386168141
>But I find it hilarious that people hate this game competitively for the exact same reason people LOVE Magic The Gathering competitively

Let's see...
>reasons people love MTG:
>very interactive
>incredibly deep mechanics
>biggest card pool of any game that exists
>super high skill ceiling
>strong comeback mechanics keep excitement up

>reasons people hate HS:
>shallow card pool
>entirely luck based
>boring mechanics
>uninteractive
>nonexistent comeback mechanics ensure whoever starts losing, loses all the way

I think I've spotted the hole in your story.

>>386167496
I never saw the appeal of card games based on properties. Especially a fucking digital card game. Whole concept is stupid to me.

>>386176937
>Ben Brode

Yah that's an sign of reddit. You know that faggot took a paternity leave when he had his baby?

>>386177354
>Spending hundreds of hours on a game over the span of 4 years isn't a big deal

It is if you hate every second of the game.

>>386177296
It's a thing you can actually get from the latest expansion. It's a really fun card to use because you get a lot of good cards from it.

>>386177267
that's part of the variance of card games.

>>386177467
But I don't. Why do you force your preferences on me? I actually like the game, so go ahead and ridicule me for that next to feel better about your sad self.

>>386177296

It's a normal UnGoro legendary. You get it by buying hundreds of packs and either getting lucky, or more likely by burning 1600 dust.

>>386177436
>You know that faggot took a paternity leave when he had his baby?
so?

>>386170415
>>386171987

This is a red herring.
The topic of discussion is NOT "I can't afford to pay to win", but "I don't like pay to win games".

Telling people to just spend money does not in any way address the topic.

>>386177079
>one of the best players playing one of the best decks at the time, dusting everything not relevant to that deck and using arena for supplementary cards and dust manages to grind to legend eventually
>not even to top rank
Re-read that post.

>>386176937
sunk cost is bullshit
you're only going to keep sinking if you don't break away and find enjoyment in something else
even if you nut up and stop spending you're still not going to have any fun 'cause the game is shit

It was fun for a while. I moved on.

>>386167496
My personal main gripes, in order of importance, are unfair F2P model, slow gameplay, Blizzards's refusal to actively balance cards, and braindead "autopilot" decks. If I was tasked with saving Hearthstone, that's what I'd start with.

1) Make gold rewards way more frequent so that the F2P grind feels more like it's worth it. The bare minimum I'd start with is giving 10 gold for every win instead of every three wins, but that's probably not nearly enough. It should probably be closer to something like 50 gold per win, and quests that give 300-500 gold (with packs costing the same they do now). Also, any set or expansion that's ever released should be permanently in the shop - limited time content is bad for the game.

2) Number two is easy. Just make all animations play MUCH faster, and shorten the turn timer by ten seconds or so.

3) Number three is the big one. Blizzard needs to change their attitude about balance entirely. The goal should be that the power level is 95% flat, and every card is either constructed playable or an arena bomb. No useless cards should be allowed to exist, not even as jokes. To pursue this goal, every month should start with a balance patch with significant buffs and nerfs.

4) To combat number four, design needs to start emphasizing synergies and combos (with specific hard answers) instead of value and playing to the curve. Patron Warrior was probably the best deck HS ever saw: every deck of every class should strive to play more like it.

i hate what hearthstone did to card games
everyone uses the same mechanics and the hearthstone mechanics fucking sucks ass

okay online card games were dead before that but still

>>386169034
Blizzard literally could've just made it so that you can't shuffle jade idols when playing a jade idol that was shuffled, so at most you get 6 jade idols in your game.

Yet they went full retard and destroyed any deck that relies on 1-mana spells, they continue to impress me.

>>386177601
>1600 dust
Is that slang for the in game currency?

>>386167496
It's P2W

>>386177661
Whats wrong with doing any of that?

>>386178069
dust is what you use to craft cards
1600 for a legendary
which is the rarity of the card that makes the un'goro pack
how nu r u

>>386178069
yes dust is created by breaking down cards that you already have two of or broken down just for the sake of obtaining dust. dust is used to create cards.

>>386177903
Except there are some great online card games like Gwent out there that are nothing like HS.

Hearthstone becoming popular made it possible for new card games to come to the attention of a larger audience and opened a door for digital card games as a serious form of entertainment.

Balance was a major issue around the time I stopped playing.

Card art was hit or miss and the themes after the old gods weren't to my liking. I switched to shadowverse but balance wise it also fell super hard recently.

I played some yugioh online under the assumption that everything is broken and its been kinda fun.

>>386178069
you can destroy cards for let's say, 5 dust, and make new cards for 40 dust.
So if you have more than 2 same cards, which is deck limit, you can dust them and make new cards.
having lots of dust requires lots of cards which means lots of grind

>>386177661
>>one of the best players
Who?

>>386177661
>toast
>one of the best

>>386177661
Watch the whole video, you are confusing Trump's f2p legend with Toast's

I don't get why so many people watch this shit let alone still play it, maybe because you can easily do both at the same time? Viewbots?

>>386178196

What's "wrong with it" is that these "streamer gets to legend with a F2P deck" videos are not in any way a proof that F2P is viable. If anything they're proof of the opposite. Reason: nobody fucking plays the game like that. Nobody can be expected to dust _literally everything_ in pursuit of a specific netdeck. That's fucking stupid. Who the fuck would play this game for even a week if that was the way you had to play it?

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>>386167851
ZOOLOCK IN 2017

>>386178179
It really is not if you consider the fact you can get materials for a tier 1 deck build by just playing the game for a few days.

>>386178795

I only watch this shit game to hear the streamers complain about it.

I literally unsub whenever a streamer says good things about it, I don't want to hear any of that shit. I played since the beta and hate every minute and dollar I wasted on this garbage.

>>386178983
If you want to get to legend and are not retarded this is a perfectly viable strategy to do so without spending any money.

>>386179004
>Doing preparatory arena runs for a fucking month is "playing the game for a few days"
>not to mention the fact that you have to dust literally every card that's not a part of the netdeck you're building

>>386179168
t. Kripperino

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>>386179381
>Months

So you are just that fucking bad at the game that is designed for the most casual audience in the card game genre?

>>386179268

Why the fuck would you ever do that? It's clearly not fun and it's clearly damaging your natural goal, which is to HAVE A COMPLETE COLLECTION OF CARDS. THAT is the fucking goal of this fucking game. Who gives a shit about legend rank when getting to legend is only a matter of autistically playing the same aggro mirrors for eternity?

>>386179381
If you want to be free to play and make it to legend in a week, you have to craft 1 good deck. Why is that so outrageous?

>>386167496
I play it on and off.
Was excited about ungoro and crafted quest hunter day 1...
The new one looks dope tho. Got enough dust to take 1 more swing at it.
I still dont own one night at karazan.

>>386179494

I fucking wish, Kripp at least makes a nice profit from this shit game. I'm way in the negatives.

I got more important shit to do. I watch it on youtube every day though. pretty excited to see what the new cards do

>>386179590
How is having a complete collection of cards the point of the game? Maybe for you, but some people value getting to legend over that. I personally only really get to rank 5 most seasons because I would rather play fun decks.

>>386167851
>zoo and hunter
not even good right now
>BM
grow a pair

>>386179590
If you don't give a fuck about getting to legend then you can just play the cards you get. If you do your dailies and play arena with an average of like 5 wins you get plenty of packs to fill up your collection.

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It looks like shit and I'm not a faggot.
/thread

>>386179586

He literally grinded the arena for a full month for his so-called "free-to-play" legend run. He admitted it in the very first video. That's basically admitting that he CAN'T do it, that a new player CANNOT get to Legend with the cards the game gives him unless he grinds like an autist.

>digital cards allow designers to easily tweak or modify cards if something overpowered is discovered
>blizz only rebalances cards maybe twice a year

fucking why. completely wasting the biggest advantage an online card game has over traditional.

>>386179786
>How is having a complete collection of cards the point of the game?

Because the implicit goal of everything collectible is to have a full collection. You gotta catch every pokemon, you gotta collect every card. Everything else in the game is honestly really fucking pointless.

>>386167496
My PC is from 2004

>>386179825

A F2P player can never get a full collection unless he started during the beta and grinds every day. Even approaching that goal steadily is improbable, they print more legendaries in a year than you can realistically get.

I hate Hearthstone so goddamn much.

>>386179938
>New players can´t autorank to legend in a month like a pro player who literally plays this game for a job

Who could have guessed?

F2P to legend is totally doable, you just have to actually play the game for a while. If you would start playing CS:GO tomorrow for the first time would you expect to be in the global elite in a month?

>>386180112
>>386180241
So everything in this game should be free? Blizzard is a business you fucking mongrels, if the full collection was available from start HS would probably have actual facebook game tier pay2win-content and ads everywhere.

>>386180112
I understand where you are coming from, but you can't expect to have a complete collection in a few weeks without buying packs. For the competitive aspect, however, it is entirely possible to make it to legend in a few weeks of play if you know the meta and aren't retarded and impulsive.

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>>386169034
>>386170461
>>386171237
>>386172054
t. Literal retard

It's a 6 mana 4/6 for fucks sake.
This won't see play unless there's heavy Jade Druid or silence Priest in the meta, since this card is only good against decks that rely on synergy, and those neither of those two decks I mentioned are tier 1 decks.

For example aggros druid won't give a shit that you destroy Mark of the lotus from their deck, since you just played a 6 mana 4/6 that did basically nothing to affect the board state.

>>386181025
is there a rule saying you have to play this card on turn 6? it's the same shit with eater of secrets, it's dead against 8 out of 9 classes you play but you still run it. stop parroting reddit tier "b-but muh tempo" opinions

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Because the community is full of buttmad people like you who need mental reassurance that the game they play doesn't suck

>>386181653
Who's gonna run a card that's dead against against 8 classes? No one, that's who.

This card will see very little play.
Screenshot this.

>>386182262
Are you fucking retarded that's literally what eater of secrets is

Caverns Below deck bullshit. As a warlock, if you don't get at least 2 spell damage cards by turn 3, you're fucked, unless you can survive to turn 10 and pull out a DOOM.

>>386167496
im a fucking poorfag and i obviously can't buy any card packages, dropped it after Naxx.

>Been playing since Naxx
>Mage favourite class ( one of the first to put evolved kobold in freeze mage)
>Legend multiple times
>Streamsniper (best part about the game imo )
>Watched almost every tournament during 2015-2016
>Preordered Ungoro playd like 6 weeks then lost intrest idk why

Explain

>>386182323
Eater of secrets is viable against almost all pally and mage decks. Of those it is great against freeze mage since Eating a freeze mage secret will often win you the game.

This card is good against one deck, jade druid. If you don't understand the point in this message you are dumber than an average Kripp sub.

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>>386182857
Sounds like you got burnt out and it just became a chore for you. I'm the kind of person that can't play a game for more than three days and rotates games. Variety is the spice of life

>>386174684
A fraction is better than 0.

>>386182887
doesn't this fuck up a lot of paladin spells, too?

>>386167496
warlock is absolutely shit