>we won't see ff16 until mid-late 2020's i hope

Once KH3 is released that will free up the Osaka team, they could make FFXVI

I'd honestly prefer a sequel to World of FF

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I just want a classic FF again.

>>386138489
FFXV was the last Final Fantasy. It flopped so hard there won't be another one besides FFVIIR.

>>386138942
which will also be a multi part story with complete character redesign
>it's gonna suck

>>386138489
Final Fantasy is fucking dead. The talented people are all gone because Squeenix has become one of the worst companies.

>>386138489
>m-muh yearly sequels
Go back to Call of Battlecreed, faggot.

You won't see it at all if they fuck up FF7 remake. Which,i hate to say, we all know they will.

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>>386138807
This, I'm dying for a good pseudo medieval FF game. Real sick of the "modern" FFs.

>>386138587
Same, the devs even said they'd make one with enough interest. Which basicly means there won't be one sadly

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>no Sakaguchi
>no Amano
>no Uematsu

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>>386139578

>>386139610
You got a lot of that in XIV :^)
Shame people hate it just because it's an MMO and will shit on it's gameplay but will praise casual FF turn based. What a world to live in

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>>386138807
Dragon quest can do classic combat, why FF cant?. FF15 is pure trash.

>>386139689
I'm not interested in multiplayer games at all

>>386139578
So how come DQ gets treated with such respect and care, but FF doesn't? You'd think DQXI would turn out to be some open world action game but it's a very respectful, traditional take on DQ. Why the discrepancy between series?

>>386139775
Because DQ is simple and fun while FF is 2deep&edgy4you

>>386139705
XV/V13 was meant to be a spin off anyway, i don't get why they didn't cancel it in 2011 instead of turning it into a mainline game which in the progress needed tons of changes. And for some reason FF always need INNOVATION and GRAFIX.
Most FFs are just a visual showcases with mediocre stories and gameplay attached to them

>>386139775
Because they know that traditional DQ sells best unchanged on the home country unlike overseas.
FF to sell in the west needs to be bombastic and cinematic everytime they do it. That's why VII was a mistake

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Top 3 FF's my goys?
>IX
>V
>X

>>386140057
Imo
VI, IX, V
But my favorite is VIII and yeah i know it has it's flaws, but i love the gardens and all the summons and towns and the OST and triple triad and just the whole setting. It did the mix of fantasy and technology really well

>>386140057
Sakaguchi's favorite FF is IX, so...

>>386140057
I loved X simply because of the dynamic party and active summons

>>386138489
>VII bros
No one who liked VII wants this new trash nu-VII remake. It doesnt even have turn based combat and whatever charm it had is just gone. That remake is really just to appeal to all the normies who have heard about ff vii and never got to play it, applauding the lack of turn based combat as if it was a good thing. Fuck SE for screwing up FF, they already had KH as a good action series no need to make FF follow the same route.
At least DQ is still good, even if a bit stale.

>>386140336
X had the best combat system

>>386140180
Its okay to like viii anon, we are all friends here

>>386140057
Good taste.
IX
IV
XII

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>>386140057
VI
IX
VII

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I'm okay with this.

>>386140057
>Tactics
>Vagrant Story
>XII IZJS
I'm a sucker for Ivalice

>>386140725
I can still feel despair from her plastic eyes

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>>386140784
How much of a sucker?

Xv is the best one! Stop bitching

>>386139610
Amano still does every logo and hadn't done designs in years anyways. Uematsu still does main themes here and there. Losing Sakaguchi and Matsuno def hurt, though.

>>386140885
I don't have XIV but I'd probably enjoy this from what I've heard about it

>>386140057
IV
IX
X

I like summoners

>>386141105
Free trial up to level 35.

>>386140784
Vagrant Story is in ivalice? that's wierd, i never noticed the ivalice setting in that game.

>>386141296
It's supposed to take place in the future

>>386141296
Eh it sort of is and isn't. It being in Ivalice is more of an afterthought than anything

>>386138807
>>386139578

There was one. It was called Bravely Default. Despite the end-part sucking a bit its still a solid game and fun.

>>386138807
>>386139578
Project Octopath looks promising if we ever get any more info on it.

>>386140336
>>386140413
Truly men of taste. I replayed it this year and had fun dicking around in the sphere grid in an attempt to make khimari useful. Got to the first seymour fight and was able to petrify both his goons with his stone breath. That fight took me weeks as a kid.

>>386140057
V
XI
VIII

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>>386140057
>X
>IX
>VII

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After FF 13-2-3 and 15... Do we really want new FF games? I think it's time to let this franchise die. Just let it go.

>>386143167
Not if they involve towelheads with AKs raiding a wizard encampment

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>>386138489
I am NOT happy with the way they've done FF-7.

But face it; the millenials who like the game yet were too stuck-up to accept a classic as a classic and move the fuck on have won.


>>386138807
You are not getting one. Never. Classic Square is dead. Today's millenials want ultra-realism and single-player DC combat,, and they get what they want and don't give a shit about what anyone else wants.


>>386139049
Most of their OG talent was scrubbed either when they did their famous mass lay-offs when the Spirits Within movie failed, or when Enix took over in the merger, and keeping Enix people on the payroll meant more than keeping Square people on the payroll.

>>386140057
IV,VII,IX

I want a mainline FF from Yoko Taro.

>>386143338
Probably directed by Tabata because only his team uses luminous. Including a forced drama ending of course like all his game

>>386140057
IX
VIII
VII

>>386143997
Spirits Within was a genuine mistake

>>386138942
>flopped
Isn't XV the best selling game in the series? Not to mention it got a ton of game of the year awards, and even though is's seven months old, the younglings still talk about it on gamefaqs and haven't replaced it with a game of the month yet. Which happened to all the other games that came out that no the, BTW.

Hell, even that shitty open world Zelda everyone went retarded over only really gets it's verbal fellatio in Nintendo forums and communities now.

FFXV did just fine. We'll see at least one sequel or spin off for it and then FFXVI by the end of the console generation.

>>386144315
You realize Square would be so far up his ass with business decisions that the final product would probably be nothing like his Taro's vision. Just let Taro make his niche games with complete freedom.

>>386144627
Nigga, you dont know what you're talking about. Botw is still large in the discussion, even with normietubers like IGN. And they move on quick. It deserves it though. It's the best and most fresh take on the open world genre since its inception.

>>386144435
I like Spirits Within

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxJE6SSX-aw

>>386145106
Then you are lost.

>>386138489
XVI is already in development, they were hiring additional artists for the game back in May.

>>386138807
>>386139578
FFIX is probably my favorite of the bunch but I'd hardly call it medieval. Alexandria is the only area that would qualify, Lindblum is steampunk-y and everywhere else is just doing its own weird thing. Also FFXIII for instance had GOAT aesthetics, it just didn't capitalize on them for various reasons.

I actually really want a modern/futuristic FF that's WELL done, because we haven't really had one yet.

>>386145660
XV was in development for ten years, and if Square's project management is just as shit as it was back then, we'll see it around 2025

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>>386146656
As long as they don't make their original mistake and make a concept artist a director we should be fine

>>386146795
The real issue is announcing something clearly too early in development and leaving fans in the dark for years. And then also hope there's no absolute dumpster fires like XIV 1.0 to add more complications to development. And then pray to god some generational console switch doesn't take place midway through development. And then also dont get some guy that made mediocre PSP titles to direct it.

>>386144435
The execs came up with that stupid idea, and when it grenaded in their faces they blamed all the underlings and fired masses of people.

That still sucks that they did that to people.

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>>386145660
Source?

>>386145507
Someone explain to me what's wrong with Spirits Within besides being a financial failure. I remember liking it, although I only ever saw it once at release.

I'm kind of scared to watch it again and find out it was just nostalgia goggles

>>386147343
Makes me wonder what happened to make them lose their thunder. They churned out 6-10 only a few ywar in between releases.

>>386147780
Every single player game after X has gone through development hell for starters.

>>386138807
play ff14

>>386147780
They're extremely simple compared to modern games.

>>386147506
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVX0OUO9ptU

>>386140057

ff14
ffx
ff7

>>386145112
welp, now i know what im gonna play this weekend.
i got the pc version months ago, but never play it.
that musci brings so many good feelings, thanks anon

>>386148329
Who wouldn't mind if this ended up turning into FFXVI?

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>>386139705
dragon quest combat looks terrible no thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtzDitpb8O0

>>386148329
wut? No one ever said or even remotely implied this was going to be in FFXVI.

Actually, the FFXV leaker said there was no FFXVI in production.

>>386149203
A new job posting on Japanese site ECareerFA from an "anonymous" gaming company, is seeking a 2D artist to work on a "super-famous RPG series." When (Google) translated, this "anonymous" company drops quite a few hints about who they:

"It is one of the most popular game software makers among third parties, and as a gaming industry, we send out unusual Million hits in a row, and we are gaining industry's best rating in the quality of game software.
"We are promoting community-based entertainment starting from "Taito Station"
"It goes without saying that we sent out a huge hit RPG game to the world, we also started online games around popular game software titles."


https://nowloading.co/p/rumor-square-enix-already-has-final-fantasy-xvi-in-the-works/4275978

Could be for the ff7 remake, since a couple of months later they went full hiring mode to the public.

>>386149198
We better get a lot of cute girl presets for the final version, otherwise I'm gonna be pissed.

>>386146573
I think that anon probably meant something more like "last high-fantasy" but i get that. I usually consider FF9 a steampunk fantasy but its definitely the last straight up Knights n' Wizards FF

>>386149198
wow that webm looks bad
that's a beta right

>2017
>giving a fuck about Square

This company's been dead for at least a decade, last good game was TWEWY. give it a rest and stop supporting them. you're just making things worse

>>386149198
>all those exclamation points

why

>>386149198
I think this combat looks super sweet, of course I thought XV's looked good back in the day too.
Is this XVI's combat?

>>386150205
>>386150314
Please don't trigger xv-kun. Ah it'S too late anyway

>>386150330
it's the FFXV multiplayer beta. the animations look good, but that doesn't equal smooth gameplay that feels good (as FFXV proved)

>>386150359
god I hate that faggot. how is he not permabanned?

After playing FFXV, FFXIV and FFXII: TZA all in a row this year I could care less right now. I can hear the chocobo theme play in my head...

The new Xenoblade looks like a good substitute. Or the new Dragon Age if you're more into old-style FF.

>>386150221
Dumb TWEWYcuck.

>>386138942
>Flop
Nigga, just because you didnt like it doesnt mean normies didnt eat that shit up.

It sold great

>>386150587
>DRAGON AGE
LOL

>>386150686
it's the truth, fatass

>>386150776
Sorry meant Dragon Quest of course.

>>386150532
>multiplayer beta

nobody but hardcore fags like XV-kun is playing this. i don't think anyone asked for this game to become an MMO.

>>386150760
Im thankful that normies are keeping it alive, but then again what's the point if it's kept alive to be westernized, casual normie trash?

>>386138489
Good, we don't need more pop culture FF. Back to the good classic aesthetics.

>>386138489
SE is like the slowest company in the world. Other AAA companies can shit out games in lesser years and still make a good profit.

The question is, why is SE so damn slow?

>>386139705

DQ still appeals mostly to Japanese audiences while Square treats FF as the designated westaboo franchise now.

>>386152083
desu I would've tried it if it didn't require ps plus

>>386140057
7, 10, 8, in that order.

>>386138489
Who really cares anymore. Unless you're part of the generation of idiots with no attentionspan then the series has been dead for quite a while anyways.

>>386153958
The issue is that SE announces games almost as soon as they get the idea to make them

>>386138489
>until mid-late 2020's
For the reveal you mean, and then 10 years of development

>>386139867

>7R is looking like the type of game XV should have been

I honestly don't get it, doing so you both gutted XV while upsetting demographics that aren't thrilled with such sweeping changes to how VII plays.

>>386153958

They don't seem to be all that much better in quality either.

>>386140384
This. Nobody wants a three part cinematic rendition of FF7. The game should be played for what it was back then, not for what it'll be in today's gaming market. Not gonna lie, I'd be happy if SE announced that the project has been cancelled. What I really want is a more simplistic remake which cleans up the translation, has cell shaded assets rather than UHD nonsense, was turn based and has the exact same story as the original game. It would take a fraction of the development time, and I bet it would be a better game too

>>386144435
>>386143997

Was Spirits Within the first big Final Fantasy disappointment?

>>386154759
8 was

>>386139689
Let me know when they get rid of the subscription cost, and Ill stop shitting on it just for being an MMO

>>386153958
Retarded leadership. They're the worst managed company in video games besides maybe EA or Bioware.

Nomura had no idea what he was doing with Versus XIII and he had no idea he was directing KH3 or FF7remake until their trailers dropped. After they got rid of Sakaguchi NOBODY stepped up to fill the decision-making role. So, nothing gets done for years at a time. Thank god they have Enix to drag them along.

>>386140057
II
IX
IV or VII

>>386138807
you and me bother bruddah you and me both

>>386140180
X
XII (Zodiac Age version)
V

>>386139775
dragon Quest was pretty strick about their settings, final fantasy was another story. They need to go back, it's the only way to revive this dying series

>>386140057
9 6 and 7

>>386155043
>he had no idea he was directing KH3
You retarded son?

>>386154913
Im kind of curious, what were people's reactions to Spirit Within back then before and after release?

>>386155470
fuck off nomura you stupid chink

>>386138807
A classic FF in a medieval fantasy setting with modern graphics would be absolutely amazing

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I just finished FF XV a few days ago, and now I'm doing time events (77 tigers with insta kill attacks). really solid game.
I'm about to start XII and XIV just based on how good my experience with XV was.

I'm going to sound selfish but I don't really care how long the next ones takes, I'm pretty damn good right now.

>>386155610
No really are you retarded?

>>386138807
Too bad. I am Setsuna was Square Enix's trial run to see if there really is a market for oldschool turn-based JPRGs. Nobody bought it.

The best you can hope for is a Final Fantasy mobile gacha game.

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>>386155481
For me and my group of friends (about 11 of us)

Before
>skepticism based on previews
after
>our facewhen

It was at that point, that at least for me, that I knew Final Fantasy was going to die to its original fanbase. Something in me, like a gut reaction knew it was done. Kinda like Brawl for the super smash bros series. It was a deep sense of forboding, like the balance of the universe had turned.

>>386155708
14 is an mmo, and the story doesn't even pick up until 200 quests in. You sure you want to?

>>386155784
you seem triggered nomura-kun

>>386140057
VI, IX, & XII

When I learned that these three specifically had the same director it kind of made sense to me.

Ito is just the master at making Final Fantasy games feel like Final Fantasy.

>>386138807
>classic
FF9 was the least FF game ever made

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>>386155864
Maxine Caulfield woukd have to disagree with you there. Her favorite FF is also VIII

>>386155938
>make shit up
>knows he made it up
>can't defend himself so he attacks others instead of just admitting he is retarded and he made it up
what a sad life you must live

>>386155938
>you seem triggered nomura-kun

I believe the future of FF is bright because of Tabata-san. He managed to make Versus into a really solid game. He should absolutely be given a budget for XVI yesterday.

>>386155824
>Nobody bought it.

That's why they are making another one.

>>386155910
>14 is an mmo

Played a few hours and liked it. It's the most single player friendly mmo I've ever played.

>>386155987
>the same director

XII had 2.5 directors.

>>386155824
So is it safe to say that the future of Final Fantasy is shallow, sluggish action combat a la FFXV?

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>>386155987
>XII
>Directed by Ito
Ito is great at being a corporate drone and accepting Triad money, just like Nomura.

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Leave Final Fantasy to me

>>386140057
12, 9, 6. in that order. I like the spin offs more than main series

>>386156441
this

>>386139689
Hey if I can pay a one time fee of 60 bucks and never have to drop an extra penny to play, I am down.

>>386156340
You will say that until dungeons. Forces 4-24 man parties for all dungeons raids and trials.

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>ITT: I want every Final Fantasy to be the same

>>386156278
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-7-remake-director-didnt-know-he-was-/1100-6428460/

I'll cop to making a mistake about KH3 but Square is still retarded with no boss you're still a chink virgin niggerfaggot

>>386156373
>shallow,
>sluggish
>action combat
>a la FFXV?

guys I understand you need to speng out but are we talking about the same game ? I learnt not to take you fagots seriously 10 years ago when you said XII's battle system was anything less than stellar but you are really set on being retarded.

>>386156340
>I believe the future of FF is bright because of Tabata-san.

you're fucking delusional

>>386156645
Well, anything but what it is now and is going to be would be okay.

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>>386150205
ye its beta, its pretty unstable alot of disconnecting from the servers

>>386156654
>but I-I was still right
>still attacks others even when admits he was making shit up
You are retarded, simple as that. I hope you come to terms with it

>>386156645
I'm fine with experimentation, as long as it's actually good.

>>386156708
All that typing and you've still managed to say so little.

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>>386156340
>That's why they are making another one

>>386156340
>future of FF is bright because of Tabata-san. He managed to make Versus into a really solid game. He should absolutely be given a budget for XVI yesterday.
This is a good joke my man.

>>386156949
>feels attacked

lmao faggot

>>386156441
Turn-Based combat is boring as shit and outdated. This entire game's gimmick, along with its predecessors and about dozen other garbage games on the DS/3DS, is being as unoriginal as possible in order to nostalgiabait people who are unable to move forward.
Better to try something and fail than to try nothing and succeed on the work of creative men three decades prior. Bravely Default is the most insulting game both from design and writing standpoints that I've ever had the displeasure to experience.

And now look what the hack producer is working on; Octagon Traverser, another unoriginal work with retro graphics and ancient gameplay despite being funded by Square Enix. Not an original thought in his tiny mind.

>>386138489
If it's done by Hiroyuki Ito I'll gladly wait that long.
Just no more Nomura or Tabata.

>>386156441
but this series sucks

Genuinely curious, why does everyone hate XV? I've never seen a serious answer.

They should make a souls ripoff

>>386157348
There's tons of serious answers, im not sure what your even talking about.

>>386157170
Kill yourself, action rpg cuck.

>>386157348
Bunch of Hype
Multiple Delays
Serious Development Issues
Released Unfinished

These are the big 4 off the top of my head

>>386157348
>he's never been in an XV thread

Bad combat and massively underdeveloped characters, story, and setting. It's a skeleton of an RPG. The biggest thing it has going for it is the open world, but even then it has poor design choices because of 1. the map is so damn small and 2. there is literally nothing but 2 cities surrounded by gas stations and generic rest areas.

The massive hype behind it before release also has something to do with it. People were promised something that looked much better than what they got.

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>>386157484
I'll get right on that.

>>386156993
>>That's why they are making another one

http://www.tokyorpgfactory.com

>>386157105
>This is a good joke my man.
>>386156747
>you're fucking delusional

I unironically believe Tabata is the future for single player FF. Every game he directed was a clear improvement over the previous. FF XV did pretty well commercially, and is an all around good game, unlike the highly polarizing XIII. It is going to keep selling for a long time because of word of mouth. Square has no one better right now.

>>386157813
>Every game he directed was a clear improvement over the previous.

Crisis Core, 3rd Birthday, Type-0, FFXV. all shit.

>Square has no one better right now.
true, sadly

>>386157813
>Every game he directed was a clear improvement over the previous
Every game he's directed range from mediocre to garbage
You are about as delusional as xv-kun

>>386157813
XV did well commercially like Bay's TF does well commercially. It was big, loud, dumb, obnoxious, flashy, surrounded by a decade worth of hype and relied on a lot of misleading marketing. It's a fucking open world FF, game of course it's going to sell in todays market

>>386157348
I've never seen a serious answer.
>>386157758
>Bad combat

The combat is satisfying and fun as fuck. Also FF game never had exceptional battle systems before X-2 and XII.

>>386157642
Wasn't there something about changing the team or the developer head?
Can't really read what's going on in last ff thead, someone you guys called XV shitting up.

>>386157484
You know what ATB stands for, right? Does FF always need to be an ARPG? No. Should it be like Bravely Default, which isn't even ATB? Fuck no.
Maybe hire somebody to come up with an original addition, or a new system entirely.
or just keep exploiting diseased minds. Whatever works.

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>>386157937
>Crisis Core, 3rd Birthday, Type-0, FFXV. all shit.

Bro. That's not the order and you know it you sneaky cunt. EVERY single new game was clear improvement over the previous, and XV, his first first proper console is an objectively great game (apart from making story arcs into DLC making the story feel incomplete). Also he had the challenge of making Nomura's convoluted shit make sense.

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>>386158374
>objectively great
>objectively
>great

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>>386157348
FF XV is essentially two games.
One is a classic Final Fantasy game, the other is an open world exploration and monster hunting game.

The classic FF part? Utter and complete shit, with the only redeeming quality being some magnificent visuals and set pieces, which are all the more infuriating because they get mere minutes of screentime. Most of it simply just isn't there. (pic related)

The open world part is why many younger players / new to the series enjoy it. It's not even very good, but it is comfy, and it's what the current demographic is familiar with.

Overall it's just a major disappointment, and not at all what many waited over 10 years for.

>>386158374
>That's not the order and you know it you sneaky cunt.

fuck are you on about. fuck your order, those games are all garbage.

>>386158374
>That's not the order and you know it you sneaky cunt
He didn't mention before crisis and coded he only co-directed but that actually is the order

>>386141296
The director says no but Squeenix say yes. It's up to you to decide whose word you take as gospel really

>>386158126
Maybe for the first few chapters, but it gets old fast. The only difference between end-game Noctis and the Noctis you start off with is the leveling. There are no cool abilities to unlock or skills to improve upon. There is no sense of satisfaction because Noctis does not make any progress.

It also doesn't feel satisfying because you can't even control your combos and the animations that are triggered from holding O are slow and robotic. Regardless of your opinion of N:A, playing it right after FFXV made the difference in speed and smoothness all the more obvious. There is also more complexity in having 2 weapons for light and heavy attacks than there is in the entirety of the weapon switching system in XV.

Don't even get me started on those fucking lame boss fights, or the armiger, or magic grenades.

>>386154759
Spirits Within was more than that; it totally fucking crippled the company

>>386158542
>the only redeeming quality being some magnificent visuals

having played MGSV and witcher before this I was kinda let down by XV in the graphics department.

but the reason anon kun above said he never go a serious answer is the same reason I never did either and ended up buying the game: you people keep repeating the "10 year wait" meme, seriously who gives a fuck ? the classic ff part you speak of was like 10% of the game.

>>386140057
>IX
>VI
>XIV

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>>386158542
>Put 100 hours into the open world section
>Cried like a bitch during the onslaught of story
It really isn't a cohesive experience, but I enjoyed it regardless. The overall game felt very much like FFIV in a sense. Like a 3D version of a classic JRPG overworld, with all of the tropes of those early entries (King Regis, Hometown gets fucked by an Empire, etc...). I think the stuff it throws in between those tropes was what sold me on it.

The infighting between the group during Ch. 9, the revelation of the Magitek Troopers, Ignis actually losing his fucking eyesight, Luna dying, Ravus' (unfinished upon initial release) tragedy, and things like that. Is it all very fleshed out? Fuck no, and in that sense it feels very much like a stage play, even though they potentially had an aforementioned 100 hours to tell a story, and they eventually did it in like 4-5, not including the extended universe.

It's a fucked up production no doubt, but I'll never forget it.

>>386159282
XV was always surrounded by a lot of shitposters before and after release. They ended up being right tho

>>386159376
>It's a fucked up production no doubt, but I'll never forget it.

No, it's a fucked up decision to make individual story arcs into DLC. that's why it doesn't feel fleshed out.

>>386159114
>Maybe for the first few chapters, but it gets old fast.

it was literally the other way around for me. the battle didn't make sense until I was 10 hours into the game when I turned wait mode off.

>>386156881
Why are the enemies marked? Are there non-marked enemies that have to be distinguished?

>>386159376
You should stop playing vidya and maybe read a book because everything you described were easily some of the worst parts of the story. You're only missing Prompto's "wtf im niflheim now" moment.

>>386159702
I was actually a huge defender of the game. Played the game, was let down by how messy and uncoordinated it was, came into threads, saw people claiming it to be 10/10 goty best jrpg of the 2010s and was just found that to be really fucking absurd.

>>386159747
>No, it's a fucked up decision to make individual story arcs into DLC.
Oh no argument here, Square Enix's business model is a cancer and I've hated them since their inception back before FFXII.
Ironically I haven't found the DLC episodes thus far to add much. Prompto's moreso than Gladio's, but either way their characters seem to get enough attention without the episodes. Just seems like another scheme by Squeenix to get more money for nothing.

>>386159702
>They ended up being right tho

they didn't. first of all I really enjoyed the game and most importantly I did actually buy it because good word of mouth. this is not a controversial FF, maybe it's an 8/10 but it's still good for everyone
(unlike XIII which was 9/10 for people who liked the story and battle system and 1/10 for everyone else)

>>386160171
nah man it's like a 5 or 6

>>386140057
>XI
>XIV
>X

haven't really played the others

>>386160171
>They were wrong about their criticisms because I enjoyed

You know that's not convincing, right?

>>386160171
>they didn't.
>this is not a controversial FF
>8/10

>>386160171
XV is basically the opposite of XIII, where you could argue 9/10 for people who like flashy, anime button mashing combat and 1/10 for story. I think it's pretty unianimous that at the very least, the story telling was shit in this game. Tabata even had to address people's dissatisfaction multiple times and even people who liked XV will admit that the story was a let down.

>>386160171
FF stories are bad since XII
XII was genuinely good in all other aspects though

>>386138807
yup. new ones bother me.
couldnt finish ff12 from boredom.
ff13 seemed cool, but died on part 2.

ff7, ff8 and ff9 were the best to me.
they evolved from the previous versions but still was a classic turn based rpg.

>>386139006
I heard that too. Episodic games fucking with games.

"Why sell 1 game for $60 when we can divide the same game into "EPISODES" and sell them each $60. We triple our profits for the same copy/paste effort!!"

>>386139748
preach

>>386140057
7,8, 9

>>386160530
VIII was garbage though.
>Enemy scaling
>Drawing makes combat tedious
>Spamming Overdrives since there's no limit to them
>Awful story
>Awful characters

>>386160489
XII and XV have the same overarching plot. You really prefer Vaan and Vayne over Noctis and Ardyn?

I do wish XV had gambits tho, even though the combat is already unbalanced.

>>386138587
World Of FF was so great. Why wasn't it promoted as much as XV?

>>386160068
>Ironically I haven't found the DLC episodes thus far to add much

They don't add much, just the characters sacrificing for Noctis in their own way.

Gladio comes from a family line of King bodyguards and when he lost to Ravus he felt weak. Going on a dungeon by himself was part of his "suffering" for Noctis.
Also Prompto's last memory was Noctis kicking him off the train. He had to put trust in him and keep moving.
Ignis of course lost his sight.

>>386160427
>the story telling was shit in this game
>even people who liked XV will admit that the story was a let down.

you are mixing things; "story telling" was poor because of reasons, "story" was good.

>>386160427
>where you could argue 9/10 for people who like flashy, anime button mashing combat

Neither was button smashing. This is exactly the reason all you people sperging against the game wasted your time and people like me ended up buying the game. XIII had top tier bosses and hunts and XV if anything is fast as fuck.

>>386160489
XII had a good story that stopped existing for 1/2 of the game. Everything up to Bur Omisace is good, then there's nothing until you meet the Occuria.

>>386141641

I heard that you only get one limit a day (unless you purchsed some key) and that there werent many options as far as deciding what abilities to use.

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>muh Ardyn
>muh Vayne
Pleb tastes all around.

>>386161081
>Ardyn
easily the most overrated FF villain. He's so boring and irrelevant that I don't even remember what he did in the game or why.
His boss fight was also shit desu

>>386161363
>His boss fight was also shit desu
Better than Leviathan.

>>386161081
No, that's what I said. Both were bad plot wise

>>386161112
>World Of FF was so great

it was mind numbingly easy. you will see no one recommending this game.

>>386161418
Leviathan is easily the worst fight in the entire series.

>>386161547
>it was mind numbingly easy.
This is different from any other FF how? You can spend 15 minutes playing cards in VIII and then one shot everything up till disc 4.

>>386161418
>>386161587
yeah but that music tho

Really the most fun I had with this fight was running through that one hallway fighting MT/Imperials. The whole "fight" should've been fending off the empire intercut with Luna doing her thing.

>>386161547
>it was mind numbingly easy. you will see no one recommending this game.

are we talking about World of FF of FFXV here?

>>386161137
Story isn't really that fucking great either. It starts off simple enough and then just goes balls to the wall JRPG nonsense in the remaining 2 hours. I seriously hate that shit.
The whole game is one big fetch quest with fetch quests within it

>fuck they took or crystal , let's get it back
>ok but we need the ring
>but wait, first we need the royal arms
>actually we don't need those
>what we need are astral powers
>actually we might need the weapons
>nah get the astral and the ring

And then Noctis shows up to the crystal (how was he even going to bring it back; what was he even planning to do with it?) gets sucked into it, Ardyn reveals bad guy plot just like a cartoon villian--10 year time skip--friends are subdued by Ardyn's plot device powers, they fight on the strreet

>Ardyn dies
>no wait nevermind
>who are these huge blue figures again?
>oh they're the kings, why are they stabbing noctis?
>why is regis here?
>why is Noctis in the crystal; again now?
>why is Luna here?
>why are his friends and father here?
>why is ardyn here?
>why am I killing him again
>why did Noctis die?
>what the fuck happened to everyone else after Lucis line falls?
>why are Noctis and Luna shown alive but not really at the end?
>why did tabata ruin the logo?

I fucking hate this game

>>386155708
You know I'm kinda in the same boat. I am playing through TZA and kinda miss the minor details and banter while grinding enemies

Final Fantasy GO was so much more fun than any other mainline FF I've played in decades.

Why would you even want a new FF?
HAVE
YOU LEARNED NOTHING FROM FF13 OR FFV13

>VI forever overshadowed by VII
It has the same major plot points but with superior characters and setting.

>>386140057
X
X-2
IV

>>386138807
The amount of people old enough to claim they miss classic Final Fantasy in this thread can be counted on one hand. The VAST majority of you would HATE one if you actually got it. You're almost all high on nostalgia.

>>386162468
No one is hyped for FF except people that don't play FF. Don't you get it? Fans abandoned ship a long time ago.

>>386162680
ooh...

for a second I was worried people were drinking the kool aid

>>386161816
>are we talking about World of FF of FFXV here?

obviously WoFF. FFXV had some insta kill enemies and some really tough dungeons. it was not a hard game, definitely easier than XIII, but it was a very fun game because of the Minato-esque battle. also, literally God tier boss battles, they were pretty much pure action but they were fucking spectacular.

>>386163075
>literally God tier boss battles
Which were the worst part of the game. Try naming a worse boss from the series than Titan, Leviathan or Ardyn.

>>386162615
>you would hate one if you got it
That's why FFIX has 92% userscore on Steam right? People sure hated it.

>>386163075
>God-tier boss battles

Now I know you're just baiting.

>>386163075
You literally have an auto dodge button for XV, an essentially unlimited supply of potions and consumables, allies that constantly heal if in trouble, and "press Square to parry incoming fatal attack and deal damage back". I literally don't know hwy people praise XV's casual as fuck combat. Because it's flashy? Get real.

>God tier boss battles

Leviathan and Titan are atrocious.

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>>386163225
People barely even bought it, but I guess 92% of them liked it.

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>>386163453
>Get real.
Maybe you should get good.

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>>386140057
5, 4, 14

How many fiesta runs have you finished anons?

>>386163628
Ok now I know who I'm talking to, thank you.

Anyways, I am fucking good. I'm way too fucking good. I can beat any sponge enemy you throw my way. Be they overleveled or not.

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>>386163457
Sold twice that number. About the same as Lighting Returns. And it's not a remake, just a rerelease with nothing added to it. The fact it can sell the same or more than new releases and get such a high userscore is enough to wash your "nostalgia" argument over the carpet. These games are good, no matter if you played 18 years ago or 18 years from now.

>>386163834
>I can beat any sponge enemy you throw my way.
None of the enemies are sponges, each enemy requires a certain level of optimization and strategy to efficiently take down. Which is achieved through Techniques and weapon switching.

>>386164076
No they don't. Holy shit.

>phase through deadly attacks
>wait for "Press Square to cool" prompt and deliver massive damage

Rinse and repeat. There's literally no need for "muh tactical approach" with all your gimmicky mechanics like warping and shit. it's so fucking easy.

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>>386163075
I don't get why people always so that the bossfights were good let aline "god tier"
Titan and Leviathan barely count as fights and Aranea and Ravus which could've been amazing turned out to be bad because they barely react to your hits and just do whatever the fuck they want most of the time like bosses from the shitty handheld KH games. Especially Ravus bascily just stands there and you move a few steps backwards every now and then when he's charging up.
The Gilgamesh fight in the Gladio DLC while still not amazing, was way better than anything in hte main game because they strip away 90% of the combat system garbage that you never use and actually focuse on good things like a good dodge step, dodge roll, attacks that aren't over animated, enemies have good tells etc.

>>386138489

Who cares? FF is fucking dead.

>>386138807

Me too budy but come on. It´s time to get real. This ain´t happening.

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>>386164393
You can turn off prompts from the options screen.

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>>386140057
>tfw fucking hate fantasy
>played the shit out of FF7 my first time through (almost 90 hours)
magitek is okay i guess

Man, fuck all this action rpg garbage the series has been taken over by. When the fuck are we getting a classic, turn-based rpg with a job system?

Actually, fuck that. When the fuck are we getting another Tactics!?

>>386164597
Might as well close your eyes too, huh? Might as well turn off auto dodg-... oh wait, you can't. Why would I disable anything, the game would still be easy as shit.

>phase through attacks
>look for what I think are telegraphed attacks; can't really tell because they're so poorly done
>hold square, parry, do massive damage

>>386165181
>action rpg garbage the series has been taken over by.
XV is the only mainline FF entry that isn't turnbased/ATB, how has action 'taken over'?

>>386140057
VIII
VII
X

I was so disappointed with XV after all the hype. Sure it's better than XIII but big deal. Honestly wouldn't care if they never made another one.

>>386165367
probably direction of the future titles, i'd be ok with it but just don't fucking use XV combat. Utilize Heavy and Light attack, launches, combos, juggles, weapon sets etc. Go full action or don't bother. Fans don't give a shit and would proabbly prefer it since DMC is dead.

>>386164597
is that webm supposed to be negative or positive because it seriously make me miss the game. dodging and parrying combos were so cool

>>386140057
1- IX
2- VIII
3- VI

I think VIII is a game that gets better the more you think about it. There's some stuff there that you really don't grasp if you just drop the controller and don't give a second thought after it's over.

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>>386165550
>launches
It still baffles me that a game that tries to be all about aerial combat like XV does completely lacks any sort of launch string or launch move.

Did the devs even play any other action games when making this?

>>386140057
>Top 3 FF's my goys?

I'm going to cheat because I like all of the ones I have played.
1) XII
2)almost everything else
3) XIII-2, II

>>386165789
It makes sense for bigger enemies, but it's really weird when i use a huge ass greatsword and do a heavy swing and small animal like enemies or gobs barely flinch. They should be send flying, what's even the point o a greatsword

Assuming if Sqeenix get that far, I'm wondering what they'll do at 30.
Name change? Un-numbered? Just call it '30'? How about the Latin translation 'Triginta'?
Either that or they deal with the concequences.

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>>386166238
We'll see

>>386166126
Obviously it should depend on weight class but even in something like Bayonetta (which I understand is fundamentally different from XV) you could launch all but two enemies, some of them you would have to dizzy but once you got them in that state they could be launched.

It's just baffling that this game doesn't have anything of the sort when it's obvious that aerial combat is a big focus with the warp strike and airdance being core mechanics. Especially when KH has launchers from which I was under the impression this game was being influenced by in terms of combat.

>>386143997
>Frogposter
>Still believes in the generation meme


I sure do love neo-/v/

>>386165367
I stand corrected...

Man, fuck all this ARPG/Shitty casual-tier ATB that the series has been taken over by.

>>386166506
Probably because aerial combat at leas to this extend was only introduced later into development. Duscae and early gameplay videos had a bit, but is was mostly a more heavy realistic KH without too much aerial stuff except for armiger. But they took too much feedback over time, so much that they jsut completely changed most of the combat system with the Plat demo so almost a year before release. Do they have no trust in their fucking devs, they clearly had something good in mind

>>386166730
>Shitty casual-tier ATB that the series has been taken over by.
It's been like that since IV.

>>386166804
I never played any of the demos, would you say the combat in the demos were better than what was actually in the final product?
>they clearly had something good in mind
I think there's a lot of cool stuff in place there's just some stuff missing.

>>386165789
Enemies feel really stiff and heavy in this game, even the small ones--they're like rocks. They don't stagger when you feel like they should and they'll punish you when you try to be flashy and anime.

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>>386167006
>they'll punish you when you try to be flashy and anime.
Yeah hit stun is wildly inconsistent in this game, I'm assuming webm related is what you're referring to.

>>386161252
>muh violence for the sake of violence

>>386167123
I swear the trigger for the air evade is so inconsistent

>>386166992
Hard to say, but it was more focused and balanced and while your options were more limited you could do more with those options. Each weapons had passive and active abilites etc. so they were not just based on better stats and i liked the parry symbole more, it was just a small golden flash instead of a huge button prompt that lasts for seconds. You can tell that a lot of enemies still have their movesets and speed from the earlier builds because they can barely keep up with Noctis's speed or tons of warp strikes.
It's just weird how drasticly it changed in basicly a year. Same with the UI, i liked the rather small glass looking UI from the other builds, now it's weirdly all over the place. Even the UI from the online mode looks better for some reason

>>386167123
shit like this gives me ptsd. so many instances where I'm trying to air-step on a still enemy and they just fucking knock me with such a miniscule telegraph window. I think the biggest sinners of the combat system are the enemies. Iron Giant is like one of if not, the only videogame-y enemy int he game. I know pretty much all his moves.

>black hole
>ground pound
>slashing horizontally (once or multiple times)
>slashing vertically and his blade gets stuck for a moment
>grab and crush
>slash with ranged damage
And what do you know? Iron Giant is the most fun enemy to fight in the game.


Then you have your "wild animals" who are all pretty much the same, they do some variation of charge, stomp and something else, but none of it is as "videogame-y" as Iron Giant. I literally cannot remember a single attack from a crab or yojimbo, or flan. All I know is, don't be close to them for too long.

I've fucking played all the souls games so I'm not so poorly coordinated individual. I think Iron Giant could work well as like some kind of Souls enemy.

>>386168158
Which is weird since it's basicly the first enemy we saw since the XV name change and it neer even changed since then in terms of moveset.
Most other enemies after that are either way too fast and might as well have no wind up at all, or way too slow like the goblins in hte sewers that jump on one leg and wind up for a punch for like 5 seconds
And big four legged enemies are just not fun to fight at all. I love all their designs and the team did a great job, but some things are just not fun to fight in a action based system. Those girrafe things are nuts, they just do attack animations whenever they feel like it even if you warpstrike right into their heead

>>386168562
And I just don't think they accounted for the fact of just how much of a cluster-fuck it can become--or yet they did and included an auto-dodge button for that very reason, but it's no fucking fun just holding square and phasing through a barrage of attacks, because without it, I genuinely cannot read every enemy's telegraphs while zipping around, particles and shit flying on my screen, shrubs most likely in direct view of what's happening, party doing flips and doing their own shit, trying to pull off commands like tech attacks. It's all way too frantic, so I rely on the boring, but effective method to get me out of those situation which is just phase, and then parry. And then sometimes a literal nuke summon juts comes in and destroys everything for me. The combat is just... such a mess, fuck. It's literally migraine inducing.

>>386155481

8 was loved when it came out. No one shit talked it like we do now. The movie was a massive disappointment but we were all pretty hyped for it when it was announced

>>386169508
Yeah, it's kinda weird that the most simple ting that you use the most or are easy to do do the most damage. They barely tried to balance the game at all. Warp strike, normal attacks and magic and the regroup skill are so OP that they got me through all the dungeons

>>386138807
Just play Dragon Quest. FF went full retard with each new title trying to outdo the last. XV was a complete shit show. Story, characters and gameplay mechanics were all fucking horrible.

>>386169787
I honestly just started using the ring before and after the update to save myself the trouble of engaging in all those painful end-game encounters.

>>386170214
That ring is fucking hilarious

It kills that dumb giant turtle mountain when it reaches 50% hp

>>386170214
Sadly i finished all the content before even the second patch came out and i 'll probably never go back

>>386169787
You hardly need regroup once you get overwhelm, imo. 4-man wombo combo kills everything

>>386170571
This.
It sucks that we pretty much only got to play an early access version of the game but I sure as hell have no intent of ever going back to it.

>>386170214
Wait, you can ring the hard enemies now?

>>386171064
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcTgs5Qve2I
At some point they just removed all limiters. You'd think they actualyl try to balance the game instead of making it more broken

>>386169508
Don't forget the fucking camera. By the time I was finished with regular encounters I don't even remember what the hell I did to win.
Same thing with the Armiger. I'm holding down triangle and whatever but there's just so much flashy shit on the screen that I can't even tell whether or not what I'm doing is effective. I think the game is actually playing itself at that point.

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>>386138807
If you want classic FF, go play DQ and others, I want more FFs with settings like 7 and 8, tired of medieval fantasy shit. I wouldn't mind a FFV remake tho

>>386171832
>>386171832
fuck, this post resonates with me so much, and I feel like a lot of people could share your sentiments. funny thing is, I don't ever have this complaint with other action games or spectacle fighters.

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>>386168158

>>386172861
How is this guy allowed to have so much control over a team that clearly knows better than him

>>386139006
>multi part story

True

>complete character redesign

Completely fucking false. All the characters we've seen are spot on, the only significant change is that Barret has shades now.

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>>386140057
>IX
>VI
>IV

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>>386172861
Is this for real, how the hell did this guy land a role as director of a mainline Final Fantasy?

>>386138489
>>we won't see ff16 until mid-late 2020's

Thank fucking God for that, FF has been nothing but shit for a full decade now. If it wasn't for XII Remaster, I'd have completely forgotten this series due how mediocre it is.

>>386138807
Play the new Dragon Quest.

>>386173536
Full two decades*

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>>386138489

XVI would have just been a mobile phone game anyway had XV not sold as well as it did.

Japan is desperately attempting to iterate into phone software with it's gaming companies either diving into low budget skeleton crew easy money or bloated belated console products we praise every three to four years because it proves they remember us as a viable market.

XIV is literally the only thing saving Final Fantasy right now. And that is a goddamned tragedy after the level of quality from the earlier games.

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>>386172861
And then let me guess what happened next. They did some tests, realized it was fucking impossible to play, so then Tabata suggest an auto-dodge button. They did some more tests, it was better, but there were still too many sudden attacks from different angles. Tabata then probably suggest that they have a "Parry" prompt to alleviate that concern. And that's basically how we got this casual, messy action system.

>>386140057
IX
X
XII

>>386163075
>FFXV had some insta kill enemies and some really tough dungeons

of which don't mean shit because you can instantly use one of 400+ items in your inventory at all times

>god tier boss battles
fuck off, they were scripted to hell and back (literally with Ifrit)

do u guys think ffxiv is a good game. idk if i want to play it

>>386174446
do you have friends and or a life?
do you like mmo shit?
do you like excessive grindan?

>we won't see ff16 until mid-late 2020's
Considering how there hasn't been a good mainline FF since 10, I'm fine with that.

>>386173769

you weren't even conceived then, fuckface

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>>386174185
>use one of 400+ items in your inventory at all times
You can't use items in Costlemark.

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>>386174662
Yes you can?

fuck that dungeon either way

>wanting anything from modern SE

>>386174662
costlemark menace, which I didn't bother getting to because those post game dungeons were all trash recycled copy pasted pieces of shit aside from Pitioss. A shame shine the main game dungeons were good

>>386138489
>>386138807
Naoki Yoshida from the FF14 team will be directing FF16

>>386174232
>instant gratification
Nothing gratifying about holding a button and watching Noctis pull off combos you had no hand in initiating. It's literally taking control away from the player.

>>386174446
I think it's great, but don't go in it if you don't like MMOs, even though it has way less grinding than other MMOs. Amazing bossfights though and some great characters
You can try for free to lvl 35 if you want without time limit

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>>386174745
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xz5w26kGcU

Anyone else think XVI will be Agni's Philosophy? Agni had two tech demos and there's a website for it. It seems like it will most definitely be XVI.

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>>386174908
>that intro

no thanks

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>>386174446
after you get to level 50 yes, enjoy the monotony till then.

Don't fall for the black mage meme like I did, it only gets fuck at level 60. Probably go a melee DPS for your first class

>>386174848
I hope so. I can understand that people don't want to play an MMO, but he's one of the few hoesnt guys left at Square and actually knows and says when they fucked up and he and Noura might be some of the few directors that actually finished almost every FF game. Not like Tabata who only finished FF1. No wonder it's so simple

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>>386174446
>>386174446
Free trial up to level 35.

The hurt of butts in FFXV threads is ridiculous. No it isn't turn based boohoo. Alright?

>>386138489
The magic is dead. XIII and XV fucking sucked. These people do not know how to put a game together anymore.

>>386175051
*gets fun

>>386138807
9 was terrible now fuck off with this overstale /v/ meme that it's good.

>>386175093
i just wanted an action system that basically wasn't what we got. I don't mind turn-based or action.

>>386175015
Probably. But it won't mean much until we know the director. I don't want Tabata or it will just be another forced drama story where she dies or everyone dies just because

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>>386175148
but it's the Goochman's fave ff

>>386175401
of coursssssssse

>>386175148
>sakaguchi's favorite FF
>Uematsu's favorite FF ost
>highest rated FF alongside 6
>duuh, it's a meme

>>386175632
The FF "fanbase" has always been weird. It's either 10/10 or worst shit ever noone likes it

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>>386175542
today i will remind them

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Would it actually have been good if Nomura still directed it?

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>>386175882

>>386138489

Who cares. I have no further expectations of them. It's their job to make it feel like something worth experiencing.

>>386139775
Final Fantasy is a experimental property unlike DQ

>>386175973
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jz1TjCphXE

>>386175965
Gameplay would certainly be better. Maybe the story too.

>>386175965
Who knows who cares. Brning him up will just be endless shitflinging because the fanbase doesn't know shit about htheir own series.

>>386156645
It works for every other franchise. Why does FF have to be the experimental guinea pig that hasn't seen a classic since the late 90's?

>>386175965
I think we can confidently answer this question once KH3 is out, and maybe even more confidently when the first part of VIIIR is out.

>>386149198
>reflect/protect
Why the fuck wasn't this in the main game

Why are there so many things in a fucking MMO beta that should've been in the main game

>>386175965
considering he was going to copy paste KH's combat it would have at least been better than what we have now.

Anyone expecting a good story from a Nomura game after kingdom hearts deserves to be let down

>>386176836
To be fair, he had the writers for FFT and Vagrant Story on his team.

>>386176836
Nomura also had a big impact on VIIs story and the characrters and people seem to like that one.
He also had other writers on the versus team and the whole setting wasn't fucking disney + OC for kids

>>386177107
All of 7's good shit was derived from the original xenogears script

>>386176836
I don't know, I think the big problem with KH is that despite the memes, very little of it was planned in advance. Don't get me wrong I still think it would've been buckling at the seams by the end(even by FF standards), but at least there'd be the FRAMEWORK of a good story.

>>386154150
are you me

>>386177805
>very little of it was planned in advance
This is true
Nomura planned kh1 as a standalone game and threw in a little cliffhanger+concept trailer at the end just in case the series continued
He planned COM and 2 together but once again threw in a little cliffhanger+concept trailer at the end of 2 just in case the series continued
Everything from days onward was supposedly planned I think

>>386175965
It wouldn't even be released by now.

>>386175772
>mixing PS2 with PS1 era
No. Fuck this.
It started going downhill with the PS2.