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>Childhood is thinking the NCR is best for New Vegas >Adolescence

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>Childhood is thinking the NCR is best for New Vegas
>Adolescence is thinking Independence is the best for New Vegas
>Adulthood is realizing Mr. House is the best for New Vegas.

Prove this wrong.
Pro Tip: You can't.
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>>386097506
>True maturity is realizing that only Caesar's legion can bring about a second golden age of America
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>>386097740
This,
>Not realizing Caesar's Legion is best for everyone.
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>Adulthood is realizing that you don't have to follow any of these gay factions and can just live as a ghoul who keeps to himself
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>>386097740
>Implying those dumb tribals in football pads wont fracture and collapse the second their leader dies
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yeah trust a guy with some human emotions missing that wants to nuke the brotherhood
a person with worse tech than the brotherhood and enclave a person who has gone crazy collecting snow globes and creating a ai wife
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>>386097964
I wonder who's behind this post...
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>>386098017
The West coast brotherhood is not the same as the East coast brotherhood.
West coast cares about nothing more then hoarding old world tech and would step on anyone who gets in their way.
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>>386097740
>retard wearing pads and using machetes in the 23rd century
>their ideology is so cancerous that the leader has a tumor
>despised by all factions
They are just slighty more adavanced than the Powder Gangers
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>G-Guys, we have to go back to the iron age to save humanity. House just wants to control everything and make you exchange little pieces of metal found around the wasteland for goods and services, but you should use my pieces of metal that I had pressed with my face on them to exchange for goods and services, also women should be bound in servitude to men and everyone should be my slave.
This is going to fix the wasteland in probably 1000 years or something, sure house could do it in 5, but this will be realerer.
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>>386097506
I've never played NV. Redpill me on Mr.House.
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>>386097740
>wanting a bunch of nigger tier tribals to take over
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>>386098361
Anarcho-capitalism run by an AI.
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Why does everyone bash NCR? Because they're boring?
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>>386098436
NCR actually stands for not cool rangers
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>>386097506
ascendancy is realizing that the yes man ending doesn't necessarily mean independency.
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>>386098427
Aristocrat*
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>>386098436
Because they're just like this man.
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>>386098738
I asked for why people DISLIKE NCR. Dumbass.
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>>386098436
They have good intentions but are very corrupt and greedy.
>taxes out the ass to where they destroy small communities
>mass warmongering to the point where they are spread very thin
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>>386097506
you may be right...BUT!
Having Vegas for yourself sounds fun.
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>>386097506
Fuck Off house fags!
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>>386097506
>true self-actualization and ascension is realizing that killing everyone in your path from the beginning of the game is the only viable path toward self-preservation in this godforsaken wasteland where man is no longer a predator but an incapable pack of prey next to worthless at surviving in the post-apocalyptic world
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>>386098017
>defending Mojave Brotherhood
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>>386098867
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>>386098867
Corrupt old world governament.
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>>386097506
I can't
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>Spends like 200,000 caps a year looking for the platinum chip
>Rewards you with at most like 3000 caps
>Not going independent and rebuilding the wasteland while keeping the peace with the securitrons

Fuck house
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>>386097964
Isn't Caesar's entire plan to force some structure on as much as he can while he's alive, so that when his empire collapses they then form their own new states out of the remains of his, and with some reflection of his ideals ingrained into their culture?
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>NCR, independence, and house ends all rely on working with old world technology and values, effectively fixing nothing in the long run
>Caesars legion rejects technology to reboot the world to an older point in history, allowing humanity to effectively start over and rebuild from scratch instead of continuing the mistakes over and over again

There's only one correct choice here.
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>>386104086
Mistakes like slavery and massacre?
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>>386106031
>caring about morals in the wasteland
>not thinking in long term profit
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>>386106031
Hey, think of it like starting a new save file. Everything you did before is gone, but now you can start over fresh. If that means that some children have to become sexual slaves and some villages have to be crucified and burned, so be it.
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>>386097506
Fallout New Vegas is retarded as fuck, the game makes it impossible to get to new vegas because the difficulty is literally impossible. Only obsidiots disagree with this fact. There aren't enough /hm/ mods either so fuck that shitfest, I'll stick to 4 thank you.
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>>386107264
>Say it with me
I
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Go home, Obsidiots
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fallout 2 > fallout 1 > fallout 4 = nv = 3
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>>386102621
Yes. He outright tells you that he plans on changing the Legion after the victory at second battle of Hoover Dam, becoming an actual civilization instead of a nomadic army.
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>>386107583
fallout 2 > FNV > fallout 3 > fallout 1 > fallout 4
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>>386098361
according to the lead designer, House is Libertarian in essence. He just wants cash to get his scientific plans rolling, and doesn't give a fuck what people do in their spare time.
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>>386107820
F2 > FNV > F1 > FT > F3 > F4 = BOS
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>>386106182
>Setting your goal as profit
>Not prioritizing a magical OLDMEN swami who exists only to manufacture economic growth

t. legion retard
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>>386098017
>liking the brotherhood

They've been hoarding weapons technology for over two hundred years and have accomplished fuck all from that, while other factions grew to overwhelm them. They're stagnant as hell. House is obviously right in wanting them gone, since it's only a matter of time until someone crazy like Elijah decides House shouldn't have his Securitrons anymore and wages a stupid war because of it.

Veronica's quest shoves the fact that they won't change in your face, so you might as well put them out of their misery.
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>>386098017

Are you trying to say nuking the brotherhood is bad? Fucking retarded tech worshiping autists


>>386107264

This is bait. But if its not, thats like three times as pathetic
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>>386107264
you
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>>386097506
Mister House might be best for Vegas, but it's shit for the rest of the wasteland.

Independent Vegas is the only good answer because it provides a stable-ish place between the NCR and Legion. Legion will die out eventually but the NCR will one day be able to properly support all the land it's gathering. When that happens, you can just barter a peace treaty / be introduced into the NCR through political means and be able to provide a more stable place for the world. If you give it to the NCR right now, they clearly have no ability to present a stable place to live, and shit will only get worse for the people living there before it gets better.

House would just be an asshole in the middle of America and squander the NCR's progress. He clearly doesn't think far enough for the rest of the world, and his values don't align well for the people, only himself.

Also some guy with a fatman could blow up his tower and kill him / seriously cripple his ability to control Vegas, leaving him in an infinite pit of death. It's best you kill him.
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>>386098738
He's more like House desu
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>>386107464
AM
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>>386108590
SILLY
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>>386108590
S I L L Y
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>>386108590
LITTY
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>>386108514
>He clearly doesn't think far enough for the rest of the world
As if the NCR or Legion are any better in this regard, really. Caesar's Legion dies with Caesar, and the NCR is bound to have the same issues and conflicts the Old World had.

>and his values don't align well for the people, only himself.

how so?

He just wants to use Vegas to get cash, and use that cash to fuel industrial and scientific development, which is beneficial to any wastelander. He doesn't have any specific ideology besides "get cash, do science", and he actively desires that the NCR grows, because that makes Vegas and himself richer in turn.
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>>386108265
no im saying take everything then nuke
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>>386098436
As little content as you get with Legion pretty much all of it portrays them as barbaric as fuck but well organized and loyal to their own.
Since half of the game's content is NCR you get to see many of the corrupt, lazy turn-coats that seemingly fill a quarter of their entire army in the Mojave. It's rotten from bottom to top.
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>>386097740
>True maturity
I think you mean jaded misanthropy.
>inb4 they're the same *tips fedora*
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>see NCR/Legion skirmish
>grab ears from Legionnaires and dogtags from NCR Troopers
>give dogtags to Aurelius and ears to that guy in Forlorn Hope
>idolized by both for doing nothing but watch people kill eachother
>plant 30 C4 blocks in Cottonwood Cove and The Fort for my inevitable assault on their base, including one right on Caesar's throne
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>>386109351
The unseen part of the legion is pretty civilized.
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>>386109623
About as civilized as a police state run by retarded tribals can get
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>>386109910
From Joshua Sawyer
>While Caesar intentionally enslaves NCR and Mojave residents in the war zone, most of the enslavement that happens in the east happens to tribals. As Raul indicates, there are non-tribal communities that came under Legion control a long time ago. The additional locations would have shown what life is like for those people.

>The general tone would have been what you would expect from life under a stable military dictatorship facing no internal resistance: the majority of people enjoy safe and productive lives (more than they had prior to the Legion's arrival) but have no freedoms, rights, or say in what happens in their communities. Water and power flow consistently, food is adequate, travel is safe, and occasionally someone steps afoul of a legionary and gets his or her head cut off. If the Legion tells someone to do something, they only ask once -- even if that means an entire community has to pick up and move fifty miles away. Corruption within the Legion is rare and Caesar deals with it harshly (even by Legion standards).

>In short, residents of Legion territories aren't really citizens and they aren't slaves, but they're also not free. People who keep their mouths shut, go about their business, and nod at the rare requests the Legion makes of them -- they can live very well. Many of them don't care at all that they don't have a say in what happens around them (mostly because they felt they never had a say in it before the Legion came, anyway).
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>>386110038
Lies
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>>386110170
Alright then
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>>386097506
>Can't see that the Legion is best in the immediate future because he is blinded by modern values, sensibilities, and societal priorities.

And don't give me that 'The legion is guaranteed to collapse when Caesar dies' bull. You are told that by a Super Mutant, as a matter of personal opinion. It's an outside observation, not a prophecy.
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>>386097506
I've told you guys a million times this.
The world of fallout is an incoherent mess (it was already incoherent as hell back in fallout 1 and 2) but one thing we know is that almost every single fossil fuel and most resources are gone from the earth. Nobody can sustain an advanced civilization for any amount of respectable time because of that. It's literally impossible. So any ending that relies on there being modern technology (as in post industrial revolution) ad infinitum, is inevitably going to fail.
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>not doing a playthrough for each ending to experience everything the game has to offer
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>>386110504
Fallout isn't something you can take too seriously if you actually know anything about this stuff anyways, fusion reserves are supposed to last several million years at power usage equal to 1994.
It's best not to think about it.
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>>386097740
>>386097842
Legion is straight up doomed to fail. The game tells you this a multitude of times.
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>>386097740
caesars legion by caesars own admission was only ever meant to make a positive impact on whatever greater force they would eventually be absorbed into, he knew itd never last long after his own death
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>>386110504
going from 14 billion people in the world to a few million buys you quite a lot of time.

You should use that time to advance technology instead of bringing everything back two thousand years. I think House has the right idea. Go to space and explore other planets for resources or perhaps a new place to live.
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>>386110680
Hegel would be proud of him
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>>386097506
>taking any of the endings seriously at all

wew lad
>>386110504
This anon hit the nail on the head.
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>>386110641
It's the failure that will save humanity from the brink. The idea never was to create a sustainable ideology, it's to unite everyone under a single banner so that when it does inevitably collapse, everyone is already acclimated to cooperation. The legion is simply paving the way to rebuilding.
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>>386110634
wait that was billion
and about a hundred and fifty billion
whoops
but basically, fallout makes no sense whatsoever, and it's best just to enjoy it
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>>386102432
I'd like to believe he hired 1000000 meth heads to trawl and entire city.
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>>386097506
>Independence
It's going to depend on ME faggot.
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>>386110634
Wait what? They have fusion power in fallout? Since when? Aren't they stuck with fission like us?
>>386110714
Dude, basically every oil well in the world is dry. Oil isn't just needed as an energy source. And the same goes for carbon and countless other shit. You just don't get an advanced society without all that shit (also, they've probably lost countless knowledge on how to build and repair and recycle stuff, simply because that knowledge relies on an absurdly high amount of specialized people interacting).
Also, going to space isn't going to solve shit. The amount and type of rockets you need to build a functional colony god knows where isn't a feasible enterprise.
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>>386110946
>implying that ending is you talking control and not just fucking off while leaving New Vegas in anarchy
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>>386110983
>Wait what? They have fusion power in fallout? Since when? Aren't they stuck with fission like us?
They did, in the last few years before the war. It just came too late.
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>>386110880
forgot picture

>>386110983
Summer of 2066, according to the wiki which cites the fallout bible.
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>>386111078
>>386111090
Wasn't that just fusion for power armors? As in, no large scale reactors?
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>>386111163
>Incorporating fusion power into the general U.S. infrastructure begins, but the process is too slow to supply power to the regions that need it. Nearly eleven years later, few sections of the United States were supplied with fusion power.
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>>386097506
Mr House makes Trump look like a legit leader.
An old relic sustained by machines trying to rule over a nuclear wasteland using jewcraft, and if doesn't work he'll just throw robots at the problem until it goes away.
Truly the god emperor Fallout was waiting for.
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>>386110983
>Dude, basically every oil well in the world is dry.

Do you have a source for that?

And remember, according to Dead Money and OWB, the Old World was just on the cusp of defeating scarcity as a concept.

>The machine demonstrates something astounding about pre-War civilization. As the chips are not some form of nanotech feedstock, but simple alloys of common and fissionable elements (see Coin Operator), the machines use nuclear fission/fusion to process this material not only into tools, but edible food and even prescription chems. They demonstrate that civilization was on the cusp of unimaginable prosperity when the bombs fell; a truly great height from which to fall. According to terminal entries found at the Y-0 research center, they were apparently created at the Big MT, like many other technological marvels that would later wind up in the Sierra Madre.

And Elijah says
>The Cloud allows me to wipe the slate clean. Collars ensure cooperation. Holograms - defense. The Vending Machines provide... everything else.
>Sources of food, supplies... medical assistance, ammo... make more collars, even print currency. {To himself} Make a nation.

If they had held out for a decade or so, the war would probably not have happened, as the technology behind vending machines would actually be introduced to civilization, along with Fusion power.
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>>386111206
Well then a) the univesre is even more incoherent than I remembered and b) it still doesn't solve much because of the amount of maintenance it's needed to keep those power plants working is beyond anything they can do.
>>386111526
>Do you have a source for that?
If I remember correctly the wells in the middle east ran dry. If those ran dry, it's quite likely that every single other well is also dry.
>dead money
I really hate that DLC so I forgot about that.
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>>386111686
The technology was there, and organized groups would likely be able to reverse engineer it.
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Someone should make a comprehensive list of things that are wrong with NCR and the sources that makes the claim

Chief Hanlon
>NCR drained all lakes in California dry
>NCR loses a thousand troopers every year (has occupied Mojave for 7 years)
>General Oliver has deliberately mismanaged the defence of Hoover Dam (misplacing Rangers, trying to "out man" the Legion assault)

Arms Dealer
>NCR has a draft on
>soldiers only get 2 weeks of basic before being shipped out
>soldiers are inadequately equipped and supplied
>lack of jobs in California

Thomas Hildern
>OSI is full of politicking
>NCR is set to suffer a famine in the next decade

The White Wash/Hard Luck Blues
>NCR is too arrogant/incompetent to look into claims that water for one of their own farms is inadequate/being stolen

Boone
>General Oliver is President Kimball's political placeman
>Colonel Hsu would be General if not for Oliver's interference in his career

Forlorn Hope/Bitter Springs/HELIOS One
>all NCR bases besides McCarran and Hoover Dam have severe manpower and supply shortages, with no support from their central command

Pheeble Will
>Brahmin barons force lesser ranchers off their land by force

Heartache By The Numbers
>Crimson Caravan and Van Graffs are trying to create a monopoly on trade in the Mojave by killing independent caravan companies
>Crimson Caravan tried and failed to get the NCR Senate to put a tariff on Gun Runner goods

And some other things I can't remember offhand
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>>386111773
>and organized groups would likely be able to reverse engineer it.
I really doubt that, anon. NASA has forgot how to build the Saturn V in what? A few decades of peace and prosperity?
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>>386111686
>I really hate that DLC so I forgot about that.

ur opinion is shite m8
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>>386111853
Peace and prosperity make the mind and body weak.
When you actually need shit, it gets done.
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>>386111898
>le get completely disarmed by gas even though my courier is immune to gas so that I can make content that can be challenging XDDD
Really bad writing.
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>>386111821
Don't forget about how they hired a literal retard as the civilian scientist put in charge of HELIOS ONE.
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>>386111972
Not if the people that know how to do this shit have been dead for centuries (and most of them died suddenly)
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>>386112013
why is your courier immune to gas?

And you have to accept gameplay and story segregation when you're playing games with story. There's no way around it.
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>>386112109
Some trait I got, can't remember which one. Maybe old world blues related?
And I really don't like ludonarrative dissonance.
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>>386112085
reverse engineering
How do you think the chinese make anything?
The brotherhood has scientists, people used to working with tech, capable of taking things apart, staring at it long enough that they can suss out how to make more of them, then putting it back together.
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>>386112232
I think the one perk from OWB makes you immune to poison, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't be affected by some sort of sleep gas, necessarily.
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>>386112085
A great deal of knowledge survived the Great War. Arcade is just another Followers doctor and he's still capable of performing brain surgery.

And the point with "reverse engineering" is that you gain an understanding of something more advanced by having it there in front of you to pull apart and mess around with.
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>>386112063
I don't know what you're talking about, he's Fantastic.
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>>386099606
This.
None of this is sustainable, all of these factions are just shitting up someone else's yard to make theirs cleaner. By purging them, and the other monsters of the wastes, you will create a large enough dead zone, free of warring ideologies and powers, with enough unclaimed resources that the area returns somewhat to normalcy.
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>>386097506
At first I was unconditionally pro-NCR but then I realized that House is actually the best choice for the NCR in the long-run. NCR is too expansionist and needs to be reigned in. Let House have New Vegas and they can engage in trade with the NCR as equal partners.
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>all those incompetent ncr fucks everywhere
>suddenly this woman

ncr isn't so bad after all.
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>that ncr ranger that got raped and her whole squad kill
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>>386112420
>>386112420
Guys, reverse engineering isn't magic. The chinese have access to western universities, western books, western scientists and so on. Also, reverse engineering is just part of the deal.
Let's say you brough a smartphone back in time to hitler in 1936. They somehow manage to understand how it works. Can they build one? No, because the technology to build it isn't there. That's the fallout world, plus, you should add the lack of resources.
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>>386111821
don't listen to these lies. NCR is the greatest when the courier becomes the president
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>>386112648
>slanders the Courier for ending the blood feud between the Republic and the Brotherhood
She's just as incompetent as the rest
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>>386097506
Similarly
>Childhood is thinking the Railroad is best for the Commonwealth
>Adolescence is thinking the Brotherhood is best for the Commonwealth
>Adulthood is realizing the Institute is best for the Commonwealth
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Elijah, some followers and black Bane got into Bg Mountain, can't they just ask Mobios for some tech ?
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>>386112648
>sucks Olivers dick
>supports his asinine plan to get everyone on the Dam killed
>starts a smear campaign against you if you negotiate the NCR/BoS Truce
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>>386112939
>Letting a bunch of autists play mad scientist with the Commonwealth
You're just as dumb as Legionfags
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>>386112013

I don't recall a trait that removed the need for Oxygen.
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>>386113172
I don't recall the dude removing oxygen from the room.
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>>386098738
wtf i like NCR now
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>>386113172
There's Project Nevada's Artificial Lungs implant, which adds water breathing
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>>386112939
Hey, stay on track here, we're talking about Fallout, not Bethesda's fanfic.
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>>386113287

If I add gas to the room then I lower the relative amount of oxygen in the air.
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I will never understand Anti-NCR fags
>already established, controlled and growing government
>naw new vegas needs some old guy to run shit
Anti-NCR fags are just left winged edgy anarchy teens.
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>>386097740
The big gamble that Caesar wanted to make was to essentially conquer as much as possible before the inevitable collapse (he's a smart man and based his whole faction on an exaggerated version of Romans, no doubt the collapse part wasn't lost on him, especially with him being the biggest thing holding the legion together, along with his failing health) in the hopes that it would work as a soft reset that hopefully wouldn't end up on the path of "nuclear holocaust" again. While it's not a completely horrible idea in itself the means by which he goes to achieve it is a fucking hard pill to swallow, and it's easy to argue that it's not worth it.
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>>386113475
The ncr will fall and bwcome tribal again.
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>>386113552
>implying
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>>386098738
making the wasteland great again
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>>386107698
You cant just change into a civilization when all your faction knows is war, Not in a single mans lifespan anyways,

Even he had a reliable successor the Legion would split into two if the new Ceasar tries to change it for the better.
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>>386106182
i killed a man for his sweet boots
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>>386113751
The legion you see is just the army, not civilians.
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I want to know how much time and effort Caesar put into rounding up stray bits of gold and silver and then having them melted down and minted into coins

Even after a good 30 years of raiding and expansion, minted money doesn't just happen. Especially not in the post-apocalyptic wasteland
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>>386111526
>Do you have a source for that?
There is a reason everything is Nuclear. They weren't on the cusp of post-scarcity. The final war was literally about resources.
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>>386113521
reminds me of ashur in the pitt
he knew what he was putting the slave through but he also knew that it would be better in the long run
he was using his own child to save his people
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>>386113865
The Legion doesn't have civilians, They just control the territory and occasionally make demands out of the natives or they will be slaughtered,

In the event of a collapse they would return to being independent and forced to protect themselves.
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>>386113895
it'd be so much better if it was iron or some lesser metal honestly.
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>>386113475
Nigga, House is literally an ancap, how the fuck is he left wing?
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>>386114257
>Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy and school of anarchist thought that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of self-ownership, private property, and free markets.

Well, House certainly isn't about any of all that. He's fairly adamant that Vegas belongs to him and that everyone inside has to pay him for the pleasure of working there. The Three Families are all under contract with him. Street vendors have a 50% income tax. You have to prove you have money to spend before you get in the gate.
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if they make fallout 5 (i know i know,bethesdshit)


i hope they bring back the enclave,the downside being if the same writers 4 touch the enclave lore i shudder to imagine
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>>386114761
The enclave is pretty fucking dead.
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>>386098240

At least powder gangers use dynamite. Legion is filled with literal spear chuckers.
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>>386097740
>factions nu males and women will never understand.
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>>386115153
>spears
>bad
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Mr House is Trump
NCR is Hillary
Legion is Bernie
Yes Man is Gary "Literally Who" Johnson

Try to disprove it(Protip: You can't!)
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>>386107264
wow it's that guy again...
I am starting to wonder if you paid someone to get this excellent mspaint masterpiece done.
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>>386114943

>doesent expect them to pull some hidden base ouf ot their ass

oh sweet summer child
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>>386115527
no, it's just summer. 12yr olds know that all it takes to get a (you) is to disagree with something that pretty much everybody else agrees with
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>>386115667
I already said in a previous thread, but here it goes again: I just "finished" (played through) Fallout 3, NV and Fallout 4 one after the other. NV was the only game which had real RPG like conversations / story-telling / decisions and shit like that. And heck I am no Fallout fan, I played Tactics the last and that's it.
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>>386113475
>ncr
>controlled
when you find ncr, it's already falling apart. it's stretching itself thin as it is, they can only hold onto california, but their needs outweight what sense they have, and force them to constantly expand. they are as much of a failed ideology as legion

>edgy left singed teens
dude, ncr is as left wing as it can be, it's california, after all
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>>386113038
>not becoming their leader and making these basement dwelling autists your personal research slaves like the think thank

monutemen are even worse, because they literally don't listen to you, and force you to do all the work yourself
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>you will never go to the effort of dragging a dozen makeshift crosses across the wasteland just to add some brand recognition to your massacres
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>>386116054
Mods (kinda almost) fixed the Minutemen.

Definitely couldn't go back to vanilla version Preston anyway.
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>>386115818
you have to treat f3/4 and oldschool fallouts differently. f3/4 is a cake: sweet and filling, but you shouldn't eat it for dinner, you will get sick. that's where oldschool fallouts and new vegas come in, they have actual nutritional value. people have to stop comparing the two like they are o the same grounds. tactics is a bag of potato chips: mindless fun, but at the end of the day, it will do you no good. bos is a half eaten chicken leg you find in the grass, that a dog shit on
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>>386116257
>m-mods fixed it, best faction in the game!
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>>386114045
arshur is nothing like ceasar. arshur's plan works snd he actuslly knows what he's fucking doing, he dindu nuthin
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>>386097506
>True enlightenment is realizing that all off those choices will just eventually put mankind back exactly where it was before the bombs, a bunch of jews jewing everyone over for power and money, and the best for new vegas is to wipe out all everyone trying to bring back government and civilization to Mohave.
Prove me wrong.
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>>386111526
>comes out of nowhere and fucks everything up
what's his name, /v/?
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>adulthood
>still thinking about video games in this way
Wew laddo.
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>>386117080
see
>>386115497
there is only one correct answer, you're right about the other 2
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>>386112957
>black bane
why?
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>>386097740
>Implying the legion wont fall apart as soon as Caesar dies
The only reason you like the legion is because your edgy
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>>386116969
Ashur's plan is completely fucking asinine and, like most things in Fallout 3, falls apart under the slightest scrutiny
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>>386110832
You keep posting it and its allways wrong
Why the fuck would slaves who where born as tribals and still remember their past work together. This isnt the roman empire, only one generation has past. Every soldier and slave still knows their past and hates the legion for it.
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>>386110946
>it's going to depend on ME
Some retarded manchild from /v/?
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>>386113475
Every time people dismiss the NCR, they alway ignore the fact that they're an occupation stretching their resources thin in order to solve the power struggles of the Mojave as quickly as possible. All while other factions are simply living through limited pipe dreams that will repeat the cycle of chaotic societies faster than the traditional government the NCR is trying to maintain.

Also, the game gives the most objectively beneficial ending to players that followed a negotiation-heavy NCR run. It even outmatches the Independent ending since the NCR allows greater empathetic and organized input rather than Yes-man/The Securitrons running with whatever you say.
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>>386117938
he has a cure for all diseases. he's right, he needs forced labor to keep one of the only towns in territory working. a bunch of wasters mean nothing in the long run, he's one of the only people in the east coast who knows what's he's doing. the only flaw with his plan is that the only scientist that works on the cure is his wife, who could be a horrible scientist for all we know. since the lone wanderer has his own science team(and his own space ship full of extremely high tech gear), he/she can solve the problem itself, and make the cure a reality
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>>386113552
>The legion will fall and bwcome tribal again.
FTFY
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House is an isolationist with no interest for expanding. Civilizations that just sit tight and don't expand NEVER survive.
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>>386115667
Or just make an ass out of yourself. You don't even have to disagree.
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>>386118342
>limited pipe dream
vegas under house, with the resources and technology from sierra madre/big mt/nukes and hardware from the divide actually has a chance for his pipe dream to succeed

>>386118614
he tells you very clearly his end goal is to put man in space, once industries and civilization is brought back
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>>386118614
>Civilizations that just sit tight and don't expand NEVER survive.
Singepore.

He'll probably profit off the NCR's eventual collapse anyway.
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>>386107264
>companions in fallout 3 are pretty responsive to your moral choices and decisions.

I actually don't remember that game because it was so shitty I just remember it as a blurr. But based on the small sections I do remember I basically know you're wrong.
The thing I remember the best launching myself with mines in an attempt to get the furthest distance, right after beating the game and being disgusted with what I just had played. Honestly, seemed to be the most appropriate thing to do for what that game was.
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>>386118614
>City States do not exist, nor have they ever existed
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>>386118783
it's a straight forward karma system. it's retarded, ttw does it better and just let you pick companions right off the bat, with no karma requirments

and the only interactions you had with them is at the purifier quest, where you can send the super mutant/ghoul/robot to start up the generator for you, and that's if you bought the dlc
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>>386097506
House is the best choise, here is why.
>profit
All the money and the things he are building cost caps, he gets caps in and spends caps building the economy it make people rich, there is alot of food production, etc. just look at New Vegas it's a little bit of paradise in hell. House is the best way to go and you know it The NCR make people poor, the legion is just monsters and we all know that an inderpendent vegas will just be a new Reno and that was a shit hole
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>>386097842
The legion is ISIS they use the same brutal tools to make life a hell for every one.
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>>386119134
>new vegas
>paradise in hell
>Nothing but drugs, alcohol, and degeneracy
New vegas is a plague on humanity.
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>>386114045
Straight up I just fucking love the "bad guy isn't actually capital E evil and wants prosperity for the people but his means are just incompatible with your values" type thing that Obsidian and Black Isle did. Even the Master in the original fallout was just trying to help humanity prosper through his own warped view of the world. His views were opposed to yours, but it was because of his unique way of thinking, he wasn't just out to kill things because he was 'lol evuls'
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Yes man is the only way
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>>386119462
humanity is a plague on humanity
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>>386097887
Fucking muties
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Part of me wishes that the Enclave had more idealists in their faction because they're just so cartoonishly evil it's ridiculous. Fuck the muties and fuck the gouls.
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>>386119594
us government is no different. they represent the old world, the old world that destroyed itself in the first place
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>>386107820
>putting 1 below 3
out
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>>386119462
>drugs, alcohol, and degeneracy
There are other casinos besides Gomorrah, you know
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NCR is the only reasonable side to join.
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>>386119815
I agree
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>>386114119
They do have civilians though. They're just not in the game. They have towns like Flagstaff and Two-Sun.
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>>386119886
The Legion has no civilians, it's a purely military organization. People who live in Arizona aren't part of the Legion. The Legion isn't a governing body, either, they have little to do with the people who live in the land they've claimed as their own.
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>>386097506

Childhood is thinking House is good because you miss your fucking DADDY PLEASE TAKE CARE OF ME.

Independence is the choice of an adult
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>>386113751
>You cant just change into a civilization when all your faction knows is war, Not in a single mans lifespan anyways,
Except that's literally what Caesar already fucking did in the when he formed all those tribes into a legion in the first place, retard.

I agree that the legion likely isn't going to be a positive force in the wasteland in any lasting capacity, but that specific argument is idiotic.
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>>386120021
t.manchild with daddy issues with no political or business understanding whatsoever
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>>386117872
>Implying the legion wont fall apart as soon as Caesar dies
Wasn't that the point? He was trying to model Rome in every detail, including its fall and subsequent rise of smaller independent nations
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>>386120086

>unironically NO U
Good one
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Post art
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>>386120167
you had no argument to begin with, child. come here again when you're 18
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>>386120463
what is this
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>>386120584
Fallout: New Vegas
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>>386119984
There was a post by one of the main writers who say that the Legion had citizens, people who bent knee to caesar rather than fighting him that are now taxed and protected by the Legion. They are definitely citizens even if they didn't choose to be.
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Independence with good karma and high relations with good factions and NCR is the best ending
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>>386120463
>draws the handgrip on the laser rifle
>draws the character holding it by the bar
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>>386120759
Nah
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>>386119462
>muh degeneracy
go away vulpes
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>>386120765
Independent is a crapshoot because you're not in charge, so your faction standing is meaningless
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>>386121081
Pretty sure the epilogue says "Under the Courier's watchful eye", so you're full of shit, Housefag
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>>386097506
Still haven't been able to finish this game. Each time I've made it to NV, all my saves get wiped for some reason.
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>>386121154
nobody picks independent except children and antifa, your opinion is automatically discarded
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>>386121154
>remembers the epilogue wrong
>disputes the word of Sawyer
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>>386121432
I'll sure as fuck dispute the word of some inept faggot whose patch breaks game balance over the knee.

>>386121350
t. triggered legionfag
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>>386120660
>REPCONN HQ
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>>386115497

>comparing a welfare-socialist-hippie to a military-fascist-dictator
>b-but dey both promote collectivism so dey r teh saem!

any form of shared state ideals are collectivistic, wether they're patriotism, nationalism or communism.
however they do in no way represent the same mindset.

remind me again why americans have no fucking clue about politics.
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>People who don't pick Independence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poPOp6q1VFo
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>>386121497
I'm for house, and my point still stands. Which are you?

>>386121537
>conquest of 86 sjw tribes
>blindly follow their leader, not the ideaology
>without their leader the whole movement falls apart
>don't know what they're doing
>extremely hostile to anyone who isn't them, consider them "savages"
>hypocrites
>low iq
>if they were in power, they would use it to take everything away from you aka socialism
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>>386115435
>Bringing a spear to a gunfight
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>>386121730
Anything that isn't an Old World relic on a stick
Or in your case, a pickle jar
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>>386119557
"your worse enemy is the one that thinks he is right"
fallout 3 enclave didn't really do shit all and didnt really have a master plan other than well i cant rightly remember
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Hi-res shots of the promo Courier/Desert Ranger.
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>>386121730

>blindly follow their leader
>without their leader the whole movement falls apart
>extremely hostile who isn't on their side,consider them "cucks"

so house/trump=socialist according to your logic?
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>>386121752
I'd take an athlete with a spear he knows how to throw over a chump with a rifle he can barely aim
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>>386122418
I'd take a guy who's moderately good with a rifle over a guy with a spear, regardless of how good he is with it.
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>>386097506
Or kill all the leaders of each faction because taking orders sucks.
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We need a new game to bitch about the inner working of it's in game ideology every 20 minutes.
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>>386121914
FO3's general lack of a cohesive narrative just gimped it. They even had all of the required parts for a good story but they fucking flubbed it. They could even just take most of the narrative themes they had and present them in a different order to give you something like:
>your dad lives to help people and cannot abide the overseer's general monopoly of authority getting in the way
>leaves and puts himself to work building water purifiers for many small and large communities alike in the wasteland
>enclave sees an avenue for profit and control by seizing and taxing water purifiers at big settlements
>it works, and they eventually worm their way down to trying to control all the water in the capital wasteland
>enter you, the grown-ass vault dweller
>you see the enclave being dicks
>see settlements without enclave dicks
>Brotherhood doesn't want the Enclave waving the biggest dick around these parts
>agree to assist them in kicking the shit out of the enclave
Like, FUCK, a conflict centered around a resource as dear as drinking water seems like it would be easy as hell to establish the stakes for but they didn't even bother.
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>>386120153
And what of that makes it a good civilisation?
Its not like the roman legion where its soldiers dont remember their culture because like 1 generation has passed.
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>>386109292
The Brotherhood has extremely volatile and dangerous technology, hence their whole role as techno worshipping autists. It's far easier to just nuke their entire hovel and let what potentially dangerous knowledge they have sink into the grave, rather than run the risk of it falling into the wrong hands as you'd have to monitor it 24/7 to ensure it didn't get taken by the legion, ncr etc
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>>386123778
Then why is it not okay to do the same to the Institute, who are working on even more dangerous new technology?
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>>386124219
Since when the fuck were we talking about Fallout 4, and who are you replying to here?

I completely agree with you, the Institute deserved to get nuked just as much as the BoS in New Vegas
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>>386119462
>He didn't clean up the city
did you even do quest in new vegas?
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>>386097506
Illumination is realizing New Vegas factions are absolute shit
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Remember, the House and Independent endings are the exact same, just with different people in control.
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>>386108517
The only thing he has in common with house is the fact that he's rich.
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The ending in New Vegas is a question in what you believe in.

Choosing House is faith in the supernatural. By choosing this, you believe that a larger than life, mostly benevolent, individual has the power to change the world for the better.

Choosing Legion is your faith in history. By choosing this, you put your faith in the fact that one can recreate the golden eras of history with the right direction, know how, and faith.

Choosing NCR is your faith in people. By choosing the NCR you accept that democracy, going by the numbers, and pleasing (most) of the people is the best way to rebuild life.

Choosing Yes Man is faith in yourself. By choosing Yes Man, you show faith in yourself that you are capable of any undertaking, no matter how absurd and impossible it may seem.
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>>386125890
>House
>Autocracy
>Independent
>Anarchy

These aren't the same things, anon
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>>386097506
all the factions are shit
at least with free vegas someone better may still come in the future
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>>386097506
There is no best frankly. All of them are headed for an implosion soon enough, besides Independence. That is outright the worst option, as it's pretty much an instant implosion and only serves as the failsafe option and a stroke of the player's ego.
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>Implying you can ever say no to this face
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>>386126040
Nothing about the Independent ending is anarchistic if you have good karma, which everyone does because it's impossible to get evil karma. The only reason people think that is because they made the achievement a big anarchy sign on the dam.
The actual ending is the same thing as Hosue.
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>>386125980
Nice interpretation, a shame the game doesn't go so deep. Otherwise, some of them could actually be likeable. Instead, the legion is a bunch of fanatics, the NCR an already on the verge of collapsing corrupted shithole, House and Yes Man are all about these O MY SECURITRONS, the rest are either tribals or old men.
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>>386126186
Anon, Independent is an Anarchy. It has no leader. The only reason people think this is because it's the way it is and because Joshua Sawyer has said so.

The actual ending has nothing in common with House.
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>>386119462
>implying drugss, alcohol and degeneracy are not in the human nature
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>only now realized why they also call Caesar for kaiser
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God I miss new vegas
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>>386127260
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>>386097506
For me, New Vegas' story was not interesting and had no character development, the sides quests, are mostly boring, too short, and lack a lot of simple directions to even know how to finish them off; the bugs and glitches make the game for me impossible to play more than 20 minutes at a time without it crashing, even with a good console or computer; the graphics are too low quality even with my computer with the highest settings, and the landscape IS THE WORST PART, IT'S FUCKING BOOOOORRRIIINNNGG!! They should at least make it more "living"; the main attraction to the game is, of course, New Vegas, but because I had a high level Luck character I kept getting kicked out from the Three Main Casinos, and the smaller casinos are too small and depressing to enjoy. Even on the easiest difficulty the game was still challenging (I don't suck at the game and challenging in the annoying way), and had to get Books or Cass with me. And to returned to the landscape, unlime Fallout 3's Washington D.C., I couldn't tell the difference between the Mojave Desert and every other fucking desert in the world. If I wanted to play a Fallout game that was more centered in the original lore and desert-like landscape, I'd play the first two damn games. So in all, I would give this game a 6/10, it's still a fun game, but with it's boring quests, storyline, characters, landscape and heavy amounts of crashes I can't play more than 3 hours at a time and then can only come back to it every 5 days, if anything Fallout 3 was a more interesting, fun, memorable and changing experience, New Vegas just won't have that same feel even if it's " more lore friendly and works like the older games." So if New Vegas interests you, then get it, if you want to play a more lore friendly Fallout game play the first two games, and if you want to play a more fun, beautiful, rememberable and fun-looking landscape to roam around then get Fallout 3 and 4.
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>>386127260
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>>386098436
They're imperialists just like Caesar's Legion. Just less brutal about it.
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>>386097887
>going out to live innawastes

Patrician choice
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>>386097506
>adulthood is wanting to live under a benevolent dictator

I'd take a flawed democracy over authoritarian rule any day of the week
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>>386127340
NOT AGAIN
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>>386098361
>>386098427
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>>386127695
>benevolent dictatorship
>you have no say in anything but at least the guy in charge cares about the good of the people
>flawed democracy
>depending on how heavily flawed it is, your vote might be meaningless and the people in charge only look out for themselves

If your vote is meaningless, was there any point in casting it?
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>>386127974
because he's not intelligent what more is there? democracy is for suckers
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>>386127915
Forgot pic.

>>386127695
Never speak to me or mein Kaiser again Yang.
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>>386097740
>LARPing manchildren
they're projecting when they call everyone around them degenerates
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>>386121820
(FAILED)
Was that an attempt at...humor?

>>386122295
actually, I see a lot more intelligent discussion from trump's side than the opposition so no, my point stands, he's house
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>>386120463
>gun pointed at head
>finger on trigger
>both half-blind
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>>386097506
>Adulthood is realizing Mr. House is the best for New Vegas.

thats some sad adulthood when you depend on a father figure to fix things up
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>>386104086
>Old world tech and values didnt work
>We need to go for even older tech and values, basically coming full circle.
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NCR is the best choice. While the NCR is messed up, their presence is best for the little people of both the wasteland in general, and the NCR itself, than any other faction. Any good that caesars football team might do is outweighed by them being a bunch of slave keeping savages. House...is a pretty alright choice. After all he doesn't actually give a fuck about the wasteland, just new vegas. For anyone outside of the strip it'll just be business as usual. Yes Man is just a "sentient ai enslaves humanity" plot waiting to happen, screw that.
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>>386128808
>father figure
who started this meme?
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>>386129035
NCR is taking all the water and power from the Dam for the people of California. And the taxes from the Mojave probably aren't going to go into fixing local infrastructure. And all those dead soldiers will need replacing so they can just conscript the locals like they did back home.

The average person is probably better under House in the long run. He can't have Vegas be a shining jewel of science and industry if the entire Mojave around it is a complete shithole that scares everyone away.
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>all these NCR cucks
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>>386129535
some edgy yes man manchild
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Wait, there were factions to side with? I just punched people in the face with my power fist, then I got a ballistic fist and punched people in the face while shooting them in the face at the same time.
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>>386129862
cool story bro
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>>386129862
>when a bethesda cuck tries to play a real fallout game
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>>386097506
You're right, I can't
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>>386129947
>implying you couldn't do a low INT run in the older fallout games and just blunder through everything while beating the hell out of people
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>>386130040
that's literally every bethesda fallout run
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>>386127695
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>>386097740
Nah, more like people with dementia.
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>>386130118
Motherfucker.
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>>386110823
What a shitty excuse.
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>>386128025
wtf I love House now???
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>>386130120
>taking advice from a comic
Holy fucking shit kill yourself now
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>>386131604
>thinking your opinion matters in the grand scheme of things
you first
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>>386097506
Adulthood is buying Nipton and finally living out your shitty dreams.
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>Adulthood is realizing that Las Vegas exists and you can go there and have a great time
ftfy
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>>386131925
>wasting your money in Vegas
>a great time
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>>386132721
>He didn't level luck
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>>386127260
>>386127340
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>>386108517
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>>386131604
This is the level that these kids operate on. Their political ideologies are shaped by musclemen in tights.
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>playing the main storyline
when will this shit meme end??
The storyline ends after you kill benny, getting involved with any other shit is just fucking retarded and i hope your courier dies drinking from a toilet.
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>>386130120
Dredds earth is in such a fucked up condition that the extreme authoroty he represents is a must too keep things in sort of working order.
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>>386113895
Barely any at all? Coin presses have existed for thousands of years and is a very simple process. All you need to do is have a handful of guys in a secure location constantly melting, pressing, and then recycling the excess gold.
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>>386134260
>arguing about source instead of arguing against the statement
>calling someone a kid

American voting system is broken outdated shit that needed to be overhauled a century ago.
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>>386135352
If you get your opinions from children's cartoons, you are a kid.
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>>386097740
People don't follow the Legion, they follow Caesar, and Caesar is about to kick the bucket, i did support the legion but i saw that it is doomed to fail, no one understands Caesar's ideals, Vulpas maybe, but his heir certanly doesnt, under the Legate everything will go to the fucking dogs

Also, godhood is realizing that you should side with Randall & Associates
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>>386135352
The voting system is fine. It's the 2 party system that needs a reconstruction.
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>>386135801
i thought the voting system lead to the 2 party system
t. non-american
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>>386135801
2-party system was created through flawed voting system. How are you going to reconstruct it without changing the voting system?
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>>386135792
Vulpes is a tribal who only knows how to be a spymaster. He's also a creepy little fuck with absolutely no charisma
He has the same issue a lot of dictators have. A potential successor is still a political threat right now. You can make people dependent on you and make them kiss your ass, but then you die and there's nobody with the independence or vision to continue without you
I bet any Legion aligned courier will end up like Joshua Graham. They're not a tribal, they're not conditioned to kiss Caesar's ass and they're almost certainly too independent for their own good.
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To anyone who finished the NV bounties series, and opinions on this guy.

Personally I thought he was a massive faggot.
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>>386136390
I fucking enjoyed killing him, someguy made a series better than fallout 4, and he did it all on his own
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>>386136137
By overthrowing the ruling class and redistributing their wealth.

Duh.
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>>386136318
he has 8 CHA wtf are you talking about
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>>386097740
Spearchucker go home.
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>>386136485
Yeah, even though I found the villains and such to be edgy (a lot of them seem to have been pedophiles, rapists, child murderers and shit. Pic related Fucking cut a women's unborn baby out of her womb after raping her, all in front of the husband, for no real reason.) plus I disliked his whole you'll never live this town,
people will always remember how you fucked up here and consider you a failure shit. Was almost as bad as Ulysses at times.
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>>386136994
Someguy isnt a subtle writer, guy just wants his action and stuff, should watch him play Warband, really shows how he thinks
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>start a new playthrough a few days ago
>end up using almost nothing but shotguns again
this is like my third shotgun playthrough of the game, how did they get it so right?
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>>386136634
Good for them, it's a real step up for a town whose greatest claim to fame was selling lottery tickets
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>>386120021
I don't know man, the only time I finished New Vegas was with the Independent/Yes Man ending because I was a dumb 16-or-so year old who though it seemed like a good idea. But it sounded like it fucking sucked for Vegas, I mean the reason I choose that ending was because all these powers fighting for the city and the dam were all asshats one way or the other, and House didn't really seem to give a shit about anyone except his own business. But as it turns out independence just meant anarchy as Vegas goes to shit
I really should go and finish the game to see the other endings, but I already played the game so much that I don't really feel like it
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>>386137118
I forgot he had a channel, has he ever updated it. His last video was for a prophesy of pendor lp and mentioning how he won't mod fallout 4 because he can't stand it.
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>>386137663
Yeah he came back, he's doing PoP and XCOM again, Sodomy and co made a discord also
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>>386131604
>>386134260
>>386135691
But a human bean wrote that, what does it matter if it comes from a comic
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>>386097506
Honestly, they all have their merits and their downsides. The only outright bad option is helping the Legion.
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>>386137827
Because the context of the comic isn't the same as our society?
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House fags are the worst. The guy is like having Howard Hughes running things.
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>>386127260
>>386127340
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>>386137908
It's a British comic that satirises British politics. You could very easily apply what it says to the last General Election we had.
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>>386097842
Including the slaves?
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I never understood why you couldnt give the securitrons to the NCR. Caesar made sense because they're all anti-technology but the NCR can only benefit from a personal army of upgraded securitrons.
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>>386137778
Oh fuck, really? I'll have to check that out. Thanks anon.
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>>386138408
but that's silly. if you try hard enough and want desperately to pretend to have a point, you can apply anything to anything.

Just look at this retard and his post.
>>386115497
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>>386138205
Well he kind of is Howard Hughes. With some Walt Disney thrown in
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http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/63635/?

Thoughts?
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>>386138949
>Democracy is flawed because despite giving the vote and power to "the people", it still results in a government a significant portion of the population neither wants nor supports
The original point was that a man would take a shitty democracy over a dictatorship. The comic makes a point about the flaws of democracy.

The comic and the argument it makes are a valid rebuttal to the statement made. The post you linked is just shitposting.
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>>386110504
Except electricity is plentiful, which means that refining petroleum from seawater is much more feasible in fallout than it is IRL.
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>>386139428
Good intentions, but those NCR style buildings wouldn't really exist in Vegas at the time. I wouldn't think that they've been there long enough to build shit, especially when empty buildings are readily available.
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>>386111821
While you bring up many valid points, remember than the Mojave is the frontier of the NCR.
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>>386126186
We don't give a flying shit about Josh Sawyer. Their team is dead, and so is their canon.
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>>386118614
>What is Switzerland
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