Kills Roadhog because "Our intent was to try to remove a

But it won't, because they care less about the gameplay and more about the characters.

Not comparable

>>386077659
explain

>>386076986
The game has always been about overnerfing and overbuffing in an effort to keep an artificial dynamic meta, its never been designed to be a balanced game.
Roadhog got fucked cause he was being picked too much, its that simple.

>>386077869
>one-shotting people from a safe distance
>one shotting people by suiciding into a firefight

>>386076986
Don't forget that Doomnigger can stun lock you and deal insane amounts of damage with his shotgun fist and he gets a shit ton of shielding after he uses his devastating ult.

But Blizzard was worried about Roadhog being overpowered with his scrap gun...

Release Sombra.
Nobody plays Sombra.
Release Orisa.
Nobody plays Orisa.
Remove Roadhog's 1-shot.
Release Doomfist with a 1-shot.
Everybody plays Doomfist.
Nobody plays Roadhog.

ITT: bronze Hanzo mains

>>386076986
Yes he was wrongly nerfed but will not bitching once every 5 seconds really fix the issue

Theres no forum mods here to stop me from saying this here, so, please fucking

>>386078403
it's still a one-shot combo

They should've kept the one-shot, but made the hook require more skill to use by doing...I dunno, something.

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>using the same r/overwatch rhetoric over and over every day

This gets old fast lad

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>>386078737
My favorite part is that Roadhog actually had to aim his hook to successfully one-shot an enemy, where as Doomfist simply has to point in the general direction of a group of enemies and it can always guarantee an insta kill on one of them. Seriously though, what the hell is Blizzard thinking??

>>386077869
>Doomfist
250 HP
Charges into enemy team
Can only reliably kill something if he smacks them into a wall
>Roadhog
600 HP
Hooks an enemy out of position
Could instantly remove a single enemy from the fight before the nerf

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>>386079284
>"blizzard" and "thinking" in the same sentence

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>600hp hero with a self heal has the ability to one shot combo with his hook that allows him to stay behind with the team in safety
>250hp hero with almost no survivability has the ability to rocket punch someone into a wall, putting themselves in immense danger and risk of dying to the point he's basically a trade hero every time you use your fist

I love how roadhog mains are still this salty weeks later, and the best part is roadhog can still effectively kill after a hook if the player is actually good.

>>386079003
From a 250 HP offensive hero vs. a 600 HP tank.

No wonder Overwatch is in such a shitty state, it has people like you who don't understand the concept of balance determining the balancing.

>>386079061
Make it so you can only hook people shortly after you shoot them with the gun. Like, you can only latch on to some sticky residue left by the gun.

>>386076986
Don't they have a character who's entire gimmick is doing one shot kills on everyone he can see?

And isn't there a sniper character?

>>386076986
>Add a new dive character
>Nerf the character that would reliably OHKO him
Really gets my Ultimate charging...

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>>386079358
>>386079323
>Posted 21 seconds apart

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>>386078737
Release Ana.
People still play Widowmaker for some god-forsaken reason.

>>386076986
I'm taking the bait.
It's not good for a Tank to one-shot anyone, unless it's Rein's charge, since it's already inconsistent and unreliable. DF is fine, since he's a DPS class. He's supposed to be doing a high level of damage. 250 is fine for the punch. Scatter Arrow, on the other hand, can one shot Orissa, and that's a genuine problem.

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>>386079462
22 you brainlet

>>386078403
Hook + fire + melee isn't a one shot, the target could get a bubble, transcendence, matrix, or the roadhog just gets bumped or killed and you'd survive.

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>>386079462
what did he mean by this?

>>386079323
>Doomfist
250 HP
Charges into enemy team like a retard
Can only reliably kill something if he smacks them into a wall - and he will because there are walls everywhere in Overwatch maps
>Roadhog
600 HP
Hooks an enemy out of position, but they escape anyway because his gun is useless
Could instantly remove a single enemy from the fight before the nerf, but now he's just a walking ult charge for the enemy team

>>386079284
>roadhog had to aim

>>386079589
inb4 he trys to insult you to cover his ass

That was a cover story they knew if they released doom fist with one shot roadhog he would constantly get hard countered and people would cry about how he sucks and it would make his debut lackluster kinda like orisa's was. It is kind of genious in an evil new coke/classic coke sort of way. Blizz knee they needed to make jis release a huge hit.

>>386079995
what's the new/classic coke scandal?

>>386079589
I meant it was impressive jesus christ lads do I need to tag it with triggers next time

>Roadhog hits you with a mid range hook
>a few seconds later you die

>sniper hits you with a long range bullet
>instantly die

>>386079995
Yeah this seems like something bliz would do considering every hero except Ana released has been shitty

>>386079662
Last I checked him being an ult charger evens out with the fact that his self heal charges up his ult.

>>386080093
google it my friend and see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

>>386077545
The characters fucking suck. Just some hyped up shit.

>>386079958
>retarded enough to think you can post twice within 21 seconds

>>386076986
>Roahog is made to be a character that bulldozes over low healthed individuals
>the hooks were made to give him at least some range else he'd be too vulnerable in the open
>shitty silver and gold players cry because they can't 1v1 roadhog as tracer or genji
>blizzard completely removes the characters entire purpose to.appease the babies that play this game.

listening to "the community" (code word for reddit astroturfers) has been the death of many a game, dota, now overwatch, and more to come im sure.

>>386080093
>Coke wants to switch to High Fructose Corn Syrup instead of Cane Sugar to save money
>Stops selling Coke, replaces it with "New Coke"
>Nobody likes New Coke
>They bring back "Coke-Cola Classic"
>The formula was changed and swapped Cane Sugar for Corn Syrup
>Everyone is happy Coke is back and doesn't notice the change
>Years later Mexican Coke is imported to US, that still uses old formula, and blows the US shit out of the water
>Americans were dooped

>>386079358
doomfist can easily escape though, his groundslam lets him travel like 200 feet

if roadhog missed a hook he'd be wide open with only 4 shots in his gun. now he hooks people who immediately escape because his gun does no damage

>>386079510
Because their roles are complete opposites.

>>386080340
Last I checked him being an ult charger evens out with the fact that his hook stops the vast majority of enemy ults.

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>>386081137
>Sniper is the complete opposite of sniper

>>386081203
Then why are people complaining that he's one of the characters with the biggest survival abilities in the game?

>>386076986

add to this that roadhog's WR is well below 40% in comp.

hook is effectively useless; most characters where hooks mattered in a team fight (tracer, genji, lucio, etc) have such small frames it is not possible to kill them in a single shot. so they continue to bounce around and are back to full health pretty quickly while you die a miserable death because your gun does maybe 30 dmg a shot against them at any distance greater than 0.

hog is now officially a walking ult battery. scrap gun hits like a wet noodle and hook requires allies around to be useful. given that hog served 2 main purposes (roaming ganker and shield buster) you're better off picking a real dps or tank literally 100% of the time now.

Supposedly they're going to give Roadhog a buff in the next patch which allows him to move while healing, and he will also take 50% less damage now. It sounds interesting so we'll have to wait and see how that turns out.

http://comicbook.com/gaming/2017/08/02/overwatch-update-1-14-details-dataminers-junkrat-roadhog-buffs/

>>386076986
>"Our intent was to try to remove a behavior that had become “not ok” with our player base – the one-shot combo"

Did they actually fucking say that? They're literally calling the playerbase a bunch of whiny babies

>>386080809
I coincidentally just started buying mexican coke from grocery stores and i like it so much more. I've been wondering why and haven't researched why

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>>386082123
He's not wrong

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*Presses e*
Pfft... that'll teach ya to try and fight a sniper at close/medium range. Nothin personnel kusogaki....

>>386082481
Can you believe people want to remove hanzo's only way to defend himself against flankers

People really want this game to be easier than it is really

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>>386080809
>>386082253
>yfw Amerilards will NEVER EVER produce cane sugar ever again
Feels good to live in an actual first world country.

>>386081354
a sniper that does little damage isn't a good sniper

>>386079358
>almost no survivability

literally every single one of his abilities not only provides mobility but also gives him extra health when dealing damage
how in the fuck does anyone come to the conclusion that he has no survivability?

>>386080810
>if roadhog missed a hook he'd be wide open with only 4 shots in his gun

yeah just like fucking madagascar is wide open when firing a peashooter in alaska.

Why do you still play Overwatch

>infinite ammo shooters
>cooldown based shooters

was a mistake

I was calling for this type of Roadhog nerf since day 1 and it took them over a year to finally do it.

Maybe the game will be playback in a few years since, evidently, Blizzard pulls their head out of their asses very very slowly.

Tanks and supports are the best heroes in the game, strongest and easiest to play and as a result you get a lot done with minimal effort. Until the other tanks and supports get nerfed, this game isn't worth playing. I'm certainly not playing until Mercy gets nerfed, I've been saying for months now that she's the most OP hero in the game. Best ult in the game that comes up way too fast, is invulnerable during it, and she's damn near impossible to kill due to ridiculous self-heal and mobility. Fuck that shit.

>>386082654
God forbid a sniper not be effective at every range

>>386082654
Then give him something else. Widowmaker has a
Grappling Hook and a mine that does damage over time. Neither of those can delete 200 HP heroes instantly.

>>386076986
Doomfist is squishy and has to get up close.
Piggy just chilled behind shields and got ez kills.
They over-nerfed him but it's not comparable.

And before you say it, Widow's one-shots are fine too. She actually has to have decent aim and is hard countered by many common heroes.

>>386078228
>picked too much

Except he wasn't. If they nerfed like that Lucio would have been ran into the ground by now

>>386082654
>being able to kill half the cast in the game with a single headshot is not enough to defend yourself
>need no aim crutch ability

yeah you sure do want the game to be easier

>>386083272
He has the passive wallclimb, but that never gets him anywhere safe.

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>>386079284
>My favorite part is that Roadhog actually had to aim his hook

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>Counters everyone
Blizzard: This is fine

Revert the hook cooldown back to 6 seconds. Make the stun last slightly longer.
Bam, fixed

>>386082481
>Jump
>His ebin shoot at their feet trick gets completely negated
so...this is....geometry........

>>386083058
>I was calling for this type of Roadhog nerf since day 1 and it took them over a year to finally do it.
>I've been bad at a game since day 1

Good job anon

Are you also in favor of Junkrat being nerfed because he wrecks you in your bronze games too?

>>386083574
Ah yes, auto-aim that continues auto-aiming even when you no longer have line-of-sight and you're completely utterly fucked if she got to charge off of one of your shitty allies before locking onto you.

sooooooo balance :^)

roadhog seems somewhat underpowered, as he is

make his ultimate better and he'll be good again. his ultimate is pretty shit except in rare situations

actually, just remove ultimates from the game. they're just "i win" buttons.

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>>386083058
>she's the most OP hero in the game. Best ult in the game that comes up way too fast, is invulnerable during it, and she's damn near impossible to kill due to ridiculous self-heal and mobility.
Can't tell if bait.

>>386083574
nigga just play winston

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>>386079284
>roadhog had to aim
are you fucking autistic???

>>386076986
I actually like roadhog better this way. He feels much more fluid and quicker. If they'd let him move and heal he would be 10/10.

>>386076986
Why is overwatch so full of characters that are at the same time bad AND fucking annoying?
Junkrat, Mei, Roadhog are terrible, and always fucking annoying.

>>386083951
t. only played when OW launched

>>386083987
>If they'd let him move and heal
That's actually what they're planning on doing

>>386084001
Blizzard is beyond terrible at balancing

Every single one of their games is like this

>>386084001
enlighten me anon
what's so bad about junkrat mei and roadhog?

>>386082654
Overwatch has half its heroes designed around having niches and weaknesses then relying on their team to fill like a moba then half of the heroes are TF2 mercs in that they can do everything well enough that there is no reason to not pick them without direct counter.

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>>386083639
Poor kid probably thinks Pharah is OP too rather than the other way around.

>>386083639
>bad at a game since day 1

yeah dude, I'm a player for not wanting to play exclusively tanks and supports.

I know people who play tanks and supports exclusively on PC with a 360 controller and have maintained 3000+ rating. You don't need mechanical skill to do well with them.

So yeah, totally makes me a "bad player" for not being smart enough to only play the winning classes.

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>>386083876
>be worst character
Blizzard: This is fine

>>386084240
>rebdit spacing
gtfo you dumb wigger

>>386082654
If the game was actually balanced how the reddit/blizzard crowd wanted everyone would do 1 damage with every gun and after 10 minutes the game would be tie and everyone gets play of the game, then after the potg it plays some Mercy/Widowmaker sfm so everyone can feel like a winner.

>>386079379
One shots are not okay in any situation ever. It your game is a wannabe moba you can't have shit that 1 hit kills.

>>386084001
Because mechanics that take control away from the player in a first person shooter are not fun. Valve learned this lesson over half a decade ago but Blizzard decided to make an FPS centered around obnoxious, MOBA-like mechanics anyways.

>>386084309
kill yourself. I know I've been here longer than you.

>>386076986
>we're going to change Lucio so that he is harder to play and will no longer be a must pick
>playrate becomes higher than ever before
epic

>>386084268
>almost mandatory in every high level game
>worst character

Here's your (you)

>>386084431
>wannabe moba
literally nothing like a moba, next you're going to say tf2 is a moba

>>386084268
>Is currently in the meta
>calls him worst
Just Bronze Things

>>386084431
*tips reddit gold*

>>386084574
Not an argument. Try again shitlord

>>386084663
u salty bro?

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>>386084663
>he can't back up his moba claim

>>386084431
So you want Blizzard to remove snipers now?

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>>386084391
>then after the potg it plays some Mercy/Widowmaker sfm so everyone can feel like a winner.
That'd actually be an improvement tho.

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>>386084431
>I'm bad at video games: the post

>>386084809
Yes. Snipers have always been a poorly implemented archetype in nearly every mp game ever

>>386084882
>>386084809
>>386084634
One shot kills aren't fair. They break the flow and balance of the game. Any situation where a one shot kill cannot be avoided is a situation that shouldn't be in the game. This is a fact and you can't dispute it

Old Roadhog was fucking bullshit.

Anyone who is "threating" to leave the game should just fucking go. You were useless and aren't needed. As a Tank, he can't even defend his fucking team.

And no, Doomfist isn't the same shit. He's 1/3 of the HP, is the size of reinhardt, and you get more than enough of a warning when he's about to super punch.
Hog just hook, kill, done. lol. It was bullshit, skill-less, and had no place in the game.

>>386082253
They use real sugar. American coke uses corn syrup.

>>386085385
Is this a quote from reddit?

>>386084268
>Literally second-highest pickrate in pro games, only beaten by Lucio
>Worst character in the game

I feel bad for the devs. They put so much time and dedication to perfecting the system, and the user base is just too fucking retarded to get any of it.

>>386078737
>Nobody plays Sombra
in shit tiers maybe

>Our intent was to try to remove a behavior that had become “not ok” with our player base – the one-shot combo"
>while keeping mercy and her press Q to win ultimate intact.

Fuck off jeff. We know you have no idea of what you're doing.

>>386085869
>Last developer video
>Jeff is wearing a mercy shirt
>Says his favorite mercy skin is coming up soon
Jeff needs to be shot

Roadhog was a DPS Tank hybrid. Since they want him to function more like a secondary tank then they should just give him armor like the rest of the tanks.

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Shotguns cure dive meta.

Give Reaper smaller spread for better damage on small targets and make the spread / damage falloff for being further than 5 feet less severe. You know, like actual fucking shotguns, much less shotguns in the FUTURE.

Return Roadhog to pre-nerf, shorten the fucking hook range a bit if they have to do something so it's an official "You got hooked, you were 100% out of position, your fault" deal. He's a Tank that has 0 defensive tank attributes, let his niche be "Cockblock niggers who dive my Mercy".

Dive Dva and Winston now have counters, Genji remains a skill matchup / uncounterable hero, Tracer is still countered by her HP making her a skill matchup for basically everyone.

It's not rocket science, Flamethrowers and Shotguns are cures for everything that play the rushdown game in multiple genres.

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>>386085546
>I feel bad for the devs. They put so much time and dedication to perfecting the system
Confirmed for having never played an actually good shooter.

>>386085479

And remember, Blizzard is far more likely to listen to Bronze players than pros because they make up a larger percentage of the playerbase, despite not having any idea how to play.

>>386083524
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>386084574
TF2 doesn't have
>ults (ubercharge is the closest thing and yet even that works in an entirely different way, not to mention that Medics need to stay alive in order to keep their charge as it is lost upon death without a specific equip)
>abilities centered around cooldowns (there are a few items that have cooldowns/charges but the majority of the game uses a traditional ammo system)
>MOBA style roles (attack/defense/support are common roles in team based FPS games but OW makes them far more restrictive and similar to a MOBA where a character can only be played a certain way for a specific purpose, thus leading to people not enjoying the game because they have to play boring, inflexible characters like Reinhardt or Mercy.)
>stuns/crowd control (Valve specifically commented that abilities that remove control from the player have no place in FPS games so lol)
>tanks (worst shit to ever be put into an FPS, tanks do nothing but make the pacing even slower)
>MOBA-style team play (team play in OW is highly restrictive and removes the need for individual skill as the team that coordinates their ults and cooldowns abilities better wins. There's little room for hard carries or clutch wins, a player who is outnumbered faces far more insurmountable odds in OW than they would in a standard shooter where a skilled player with good aim and a sound strategy can overcome said odds and pull out a clutch victory. There's very little room for such memorable, impressive moments in OW.)
Jeff Kaplan even admits that the game takes a fair amount of inspiration from MOBAs and says that OW's lack of individual skill and heavy focus on coordinating ults and abilities as a team came from MOBAs, why continue to deny it?
http://www.businessinsider.com/blizzard-jeff-kaplan-titan-overwatch-interview-2016-9

The Roadhog thing where some players can swing you with theook isn't intended is it?

I don't play that often, I think I've heard of it before but it happened to me for the first time playing Ilios, I was real cheesed when I fell to my death

>>386078737
>Nobody plays Sombra.
Whoa, anon. That's old news. She's like a must pick for 2cp maps and people are starting to realize they have no effective hard counter for her.

>Aim in the general direction of an in position player while being totally out of position yourself
>Manage to land one of the easiest abilities in the game
>Kill said player
>Do it again 8 seconds later

Roadhog was bullshit and you know it. I want him to have one shot capabilities but not the way it was implemented before.

>>386084540
>raises lucios damage

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>>386083627
>wait to shoot until they're about to land, while taking the time to easily line up the shot because their trajectory is fixed in the air

You in wood rank or something? Jumping is suicidal.

>>386084059
If they go through with this it might make him ridiculous. You can brawl a little bit, and then pop your E and pretty much go wherever you want with the heal + 50% dmg reduction. And wherever you want is probably going to be directly into someone's face, so they'll get obliterated as soon as the heal ends. Its like a reverse hook one shot.

>>386084268
>literally the second best hero rightnow
>the worst