Was this a mistake on Bethesda's part? It made them look

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Bethesda doesn't put effort in there games.

>>386044836
Don't think so, the biggest mistake was to only let them a year and don't allow them to make another afterwards. Made them look childish.

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This is what I mean.

>>386045209
If they had let Obsidian continue to produce Fallout games that would have been pretty sweet

>>386044836
They earned money.
>It made them look exceptionally incompetent in comparison.
Not among "normies".

It was a very clever move.

>>386045274
i love the subtle bias throughout this image.
>obsidian has worked ON TOP QUALITY GAMES.
>bethesda made uuuh, the elder scrolls i guess.

>>386044836
Bethesda-developed games are liquid dogshit, anyone could do their games better. New Vegas runs on and outdated, trashy engine and is full of bugs and is still miles above Fallout 4, one of the most forgettable games ever made.

>>386045853
Bethesda Game Studios has made one good game in their entire existence.

>>386046056
Fallout 4 and NV run on the same engine practically

Bethesda's biggest issue with Fallout is that they take the post-apocalyptic angle as an excuse to depopulate their map so they don't have to write anything.

Even if they're too lazy to do quest writing, at least add in more locations with people so you can play a more detailed version of GTA.

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>>386045108
They do, just not their Fallout games.

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>>386045853
Because its true

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>>386046335
They're really not. Underneath there are engine bits going all the way back to Morrowind, but they did a good amount of engine work for Skyrim, and a good amount more for Fallout 4. They have a common ancestor in the Fallout 3 engine, but I wouldn't go as far as to say they're practically the same. Fallout 4 supports graphical features that NV doesn't, is 64-bit, and is much more stable than anything running on 32-bit Gamebryro/Creation. It's still not a great engine, but New Vegas feels much closer to Oblivion than it does to Fallout 4 or Skyrim SE.

>>386045853
Obsidian's origins are in games that are heralded as legendary.
Bethesda (game developer) has the elder scrolls, and that's it; and they ruined their own series.

>>386046414
New Vegas map is far less populated.

>>386047226
>bethesdrone falseflagging

>>386047348
It's more sprawling, but there are still far more people to talk to.

>>386047350
People who studiowar are subhuman pieces of garbage, but it's objective truth.
Black Isle worked on titles that went down as legends in vidya history.
Bethesda, the in-house development studio, doesn't have that much, and what they do have they casuallized under orders from above.

>>386045853
I checked the image, I don't think they said "Uh Elder scrolls games" also, name another good Bethesda game series.
Dishonored isn't one of them. NuDoom's singleplayer is alright but that image was created before NuDoom was out.

>>386045274
>boring, empty wasteland full of World of Warcraft-tier forced bottleneck mountains and welcome bear mobs
>le many divergent paths meme quests that really just end up with two results: one faction likes you more the other likes you less
>boring, bargain bin factions
>shitty gunplay
>I Can't Believe Its Not Butter version of classic fallout mobs
>obsidian a "trustworthy" game dev when in reality they've made mostly bug infested flops and NV was buggy as shit nearly unplayable on release
>even the first settlement you come across in FO4 is bigger than New Vegas city
Sad!

>>386048174
Neither of those games are by bethesda, those are by studios published by bethesda

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>>386045274

>>386044836
If anything Obsidian dropped the ball by releasing an unfinished, buggy, boring mess. They're lucky they got one chance to try and make a fallout game though.

>>386049553
Wasteland 2?

>>386049871
They assisted with development

>>386049553
>no you're WRONG see I drew some mspaint scribbles on your image where I say you're wrong, BTFO

>>386049553
The only thing I agree with is Space Ghouls quest being pretty stupid, literally Fallout 3 tier writing.

>>386050059
Avellone wrote a quest line, and that's pretty much it.

>>386050123
>I typed up some blatantly biased opinions, so I'm right. RIGHT I SAY
The fact that someone easily could disable the entire pictures logic with a few mspaint scribbles speaks volumes.

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>>386050386

>>386044836
No and No.

>>386050204
It doesn't matter what you agree with, the pic literally just calls all the bluffs of the original chart.

>>386048174
Learn the difference between developer and publisher, you fucking retard.

>literally exactly the same shit as Fallout 3 but with a piss yellow filter
Are New Vegas fans the most deluded on /v/?

>>386050459
>I have no argument, and I must meme

>>386050567
It's just as biased as the original picture, only in the favour of Bethesda.

>>386050657
Do you really want me to go though each of your stupid scribbles in depth and explain why they're wrong?

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>>386044836
It's too bad nobody takes NVFags seriously anymore. People are finally starting to wake up and not buy into their deluded bullshit.

>>386045274
I like NV as much as the next guy, but some of those claims are stretching the truth a bit. The factions in NV don't all have major quests/etc

>>386050791
I really don't care what you do. You're just gonna put your own twist on everything anyway.

>>386050918
Just like you think with your scribbles? Or were those "objective"?

I honestly preferred F3 simply for the underground subway system.

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>>386050809
Knew you'd show up, don't you tired of doing this shit faggot?

>>386051003
*just like you did
no idea why the autocorrect thought that was okay

>>386051003
The edits only sway one way because the original chart swayed so far to the other direction. The fact is wherever the pic called bullshit, there objectively was bullshit.

Are we not living in the same timeline or have you already forgotten New Vegas' release, when it was blasted for being an unplayable mess filled with even more glitches than a typical Bethesda game that crashed every 5 minutes?

>>386050809
shut the fuck up Todd, you're shit ass copypasta isn't fooling anyone.
Bethesdrones are the only in denial about New Vegas being one of the best RPGs since the 90s and early 200s.

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>this angers the obsidiot

>>386044836
Are you kidding? New Vegas is the most broken piece of shit in the whole franchise. Unless you mean incompetent at writing and world building then you'd have a point.

>>386051559
It's right that most of the shit in >>386045274 on the NV side is a misconstrual.

You don't need to lie about NV to assert that it's a good game.

>>386046184
Home Alone for NES

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>>386051559
New Vegas is literally 3 with a coat of brown and some bugs. Chill with your memes, bruh

>>386051335
>The edits only sway one way because the original chart swayed so far to the other direction.
This is not a good excuse. If you want to cut though the bullshit of an image you better not add on another layer of bullshit on top to "balance" it out.

>The fact is wherever the pic called bullshit, there objectively was bullshit.
I say again it's funny to me that you think that.

>>386051870
The oc was most certainly full of bullshit and blatant lies.

>every location has a purpose and is interesting
>every faction is fleshed out and directly impacts the story
>every quest is branching, meaningful, affects the world and is well written
>obsidian makes good games and Bethesda just makes the elder scrolls
>companions in NV are more fleshed out than 3's
>the main factions in NV are more dynamic and don't fall to the same tropes that the BoS and Enclave did

Full of shit.

>>386052190
>>companions in NV are more fleshed out than 3's
that's objectively and irrefutably true, 3 companions have zero depth

>>386052190
>>every location has a purpose and is interesting
>>every faction is fleshed out and directly impacts the story
>>every quest is branching, meaningful, affects the world and is well written

These are all exaggerations but it's hard to argue that NV doesn't do a better job than 3 at making sure it's location actually have some depth to them.

>companions in NV are more fleshed out than 3's
>the main factions in NV are more dynamic and don't fall to the same tropes that the BoS and Enclave did
These are absolutely true.

>>386052190
>>obsidian makes good games and Bethesda just makes the elder scrolls
>>companions in NV are more fleshed out than 3's
>>the main factions in NV are more dynamic and don't fall to the same tropes that the BoS and Enclave did
objectively correct tho, why don't you tell us all about what a good character fucking Jericho is compared to anyone in New vegas

>>386052420
It's not hard to argue because New Vegas doesn't do a better job.

>these are absolutely true
No they're not. New Vegas and 3 use the same means to interpret and express a companions personality and moral standing. Neither game does anything different.

The Legion crucify people, rape, murder, pillage, and burn towns, disrespect their own women and cities under their control, trade slaves, etc and you're trying to tell me they aren't shoehorned into the stereotypical bad guy role? The absolute state if obsidiots.

>>386052962
>>386052260
See
>>386053048
Stop trying to bullshit your way out of this one.

>>386053048
None of the Fallout 3 companions have a quest or a story arc. They don't have any agendas, like half of them are "hired guns". Their availability is governed by a primitive Karma system (inherited from the original games, admittedly). They don't have any allegiances in the world, they're just there to carry your stuff and shoot dudes you shoot.

Note how Bethesda changed it in FO4, changed it to the better, I have to say.

>The Legion
What about House and NCR?

>>386050809
>I AM SILLY

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>>386053048
>It's not hard to argue because New Vegas doesn't do a better job.
Wow you really convinced me with those hot opinions.

>No they're not. New Vegas and 3 use the same means to interpret and express a companions personality and moral standing. Neither game does anything different.
But that wasn't the claim? NV companions have quests specifically designed to look at them more in depth and NV compainions have way more dialogue. Objectively more fleshed out.

>The Legion crucify people, rape, murder, pillage, and burn towns, disrespect their own women and cities under their control, trade slaves, etc and you're trying to tell me they aren't shoehorned into the stereotypical bad guy role?
Legion was supposed to be more fleshed out but they ran out of time. But even if they are just the "bad guys" there is no "good guys" in NV. NCR is corrupt and uncaring, House is a megalomaniac. The only faction close to a generic good guy faction is the Followers and they aren't a major faction. NV simply doesn't have the good guy vs bad guy dynamic that 3 does.

>>386053863
>implying it's not both

>>386053412
>everyone needs to be aligned to something for them to have depth
I would've thought you hated that considering you brag about muh shades of gray. They may not have a quest, but they certainly have character and personalities that react to your own actions.

House? You mean the Andrew Ryan clone who is purposefully made out to be the best choice for a player on their first play through? He's not even a faction, he's more of a businessman who hires you for his own interests.

And the NCR is the typical military good guys. Obsidian made them suffer from minor corruption and incompetence in order to give them an achilles heel and not make them too perfect. You can clearly see they put little to no effort in making each one a "shade if gray" as sawyer put it.

Yes man is a hamfisted "hell yeah, anarchy!" failsafe if the courier decided to kill everything or fucked up bad enough he needed the game to end sonehow.

>>386053048
The Legion uses military autocracy to enforce order, whereas the NCR uses democracy. Whilst the Legion has a very appalling stigma from the New Vegas' perspective, their territories like Arizona have prospered massively under their rule.

Whilst the NCR appears just or fair, deep beneath their own quests and citizens it becomes apparent how corrupt they actually are and how loose their actual power on New Vegas and their neighbouring territories are.

>>386054158
>wow if I just grossly reduce the factions in NV to their base parts they don't look so great
>Fallout 3 for the win!
embarrassing

>>386050809
someone post the screencap

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>>386054659
See pic related Obsidibot

>>386054659
>implying you don't do the same to the enclave and BoS
Fucking pathetic. Do you know what hypocrisy and double standards are?

>>386054158
>that react to your own actions
Except they don't. They don't have quests and they don't really react to things you do or to events in the world. They're flat. Even Bethesda realized that and fixed it in Fallout 4, but you're too much of a fanboy to notice.
>He's not even a faction, he's more of a businessman who hires you for his own interests.
How is being a businessman makes him "not a faction"? What are you even talking about?

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>>386054659
>admitting I'm right
>accusing me of doing something all NVFags do
I'll just take the win and go, until next time

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>>386055162
>bethesda realized that and fixed it in Fallout 4

>>386054158
So what, you're trying to say house doesn't count as a faction and he's just a rip off of a BioShock character?

>>386055162
>have fawkes as a companion
>fawkes constantly displays his dislike for my actions when I do negative things
>karma gets so low he tells me he can no longer follow me because he disagrees with what I've become
Ok kid, sure.

>how is being a businessman not make him a faction?
You clearly don't know what faction means.

>>386055007
Why should I be arguing with someone who is blatantly intellectually dishonest?

>>386055131
show me the depth in the Enclave or BoS in fallout 3. I'll wait

>>386055262
>if I shift the goal posts I win
yes please leave the thread and stop posting

>>386055323
They literally did. I don't like Fallout 4 too much, but it's in many ways an improvement over Fallout 3. Companions are one of those things improved, Piper and her "muh journalism" thing has more personality than any of the shitty Fallout 3 companions. The funny thing is, the only time those companions express any agency is when they refuse to take your place in that deadly radiation chamber despite being a super mutant, ghoul and a robot. What a joke.

>>386055492
>fawkes constantly displays his dislike for my actions
And Boone will outright shoot you if you even think of siding with the Legion.
>You clearly don't know what faction means.
House is the leader of Vegas, the tribes that work the casinos work for him (though they all are plotting behind his back). He has an army of robots. He's as much of a faction leader as Caesar is.

>>386055405
And that he's the cookie cutter option with little to no downsides.

>>386055492
Except if I remember correctly the difference was Fawkes would stay with the player until he was fired, then he would refuse to join you till you were good karma again.

Boone will just walk right up to you and say this shit stops right now if you attack NCR, and you could say you would stop or just attack him then and there. Cass would do something similar if your karma was at evil, giving you a few warnings before walking away.

>>386049553
I actually agree with this, even though I hated Fallout 3 and loved NV.

>>386055691
Still doesn't change how utterly useless the companions were. Only two of them had some sort of agenda, the rest were entirely a band of outsiders with conflicting morals. Sure, action and reaction was a welcome change but how monotone some of the characters were in F4 was tragic.

>>386056074
If you travel to the Fort with Arcade he will outright interrupt you and demand you to explain yourself. That's some character agency right here.

>>386056130
>Only two of them had some sort of agenda
That's two more than Fallout 3.

>>386056217
Star Paladin Cross, Charon and Jericho all did. You're not actually getting what I'm saying are you? The majority of Fallout 4 companions are blank slates, they barely have any affliction.

>>386055532
There I'd no shifting of the goal posts. I'm simply using the same basis of critiquing and analyzing that you use for FO3. It's never really been done before because this place is infested with NVFags who plug their ears to all opposition, and people who just don't care enough to prove you wrong.

Fallout 3's Brotherhood of Steel are so different because they're a fragment that broke off because the Elder saw the capital wasteland and felt the Brotherhoods abilities and technology could be used to help the people. The OG brotherhood still exists, and looks upon this brotherhood with disdain for abandoning their original creed. You even see outcasts wandering around who left Elder Lyons because they still firmly believe in the original Brotherhoods goal.

As for the Enclave, they've always been the big bad guys since Fallout 2, but they're just the remnants of the old U.S. government and high ranking military that was able to survive through stockpiling and seclusion. They just hate how the world is now a mutated mess and also firmly believe in ceasing control and installing order no matter the cost. I firmly believe that areas under their control would be similar to the legions where everything is prosperous nut you always live looking over your shoulder or with your head down or else you will get harassed by the people in charge.

>>386056217
Yeah I remember finding that out for the first time a few months back. Fucking idiot yelling about how Caesar's full of shit right in front of his guards.

>>386056479
Seizing control*

>>386054464
>no replies
I guess that guy is just baiting then and couldn't come up with anything good for your post. Good job anon.

>>386056456
What agenda did Charon have? He was some brainwashed slave who followed whoever owned his contract. He's the only companion that didn't care about karma because of it, excluding dogmeat.

>>386056826
He flat out says he will kill you when he deems you going too far, contract or no contract.

theres hardly any real gameplay is New Vegas you can just talk your way through it

its more like a VN

>>386056980
Just because you can talk your way out of problems doesn't mean you have to though.

>>386056980
The gameplay was everything included in Fallout 3, plus more RP opportunities

>>386045209
I absolutely adore New Vegas but the dev time was entirely Obsidian's fault, they're the ones who put forward a year of development time.

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Fallout NV
>mature audiences
Fallout 3
>manchildren of reddit audience

>>386056479
>Fallout 3's Brotherhood of Steel are so different because they're a fragment that broke off because the Elder saw the capital wasteland and felt the Brotherhoods abilities and technology could be used to help the people. The OG brotherhood still exists, and looks upon this brotherhood with disdain for abandoning their original creed. You even see outcasts wandering around who left Elder Lyons because they still firmly believe in the original Brotherhoods goal.
Yes I'm aware of all this. I played the game. Unfortunately there's nothing really interesting about taking an interesting faction and then reversing all of their belief systems. Maybe if their was a twist to it I would be sold but it just looks like they said "what if we took this isolated mean spirited groups that hoards technology (and happens to be far and away the most advanced faction in the wastes) and turned them into people who just love to share." I'm okay with changes put they have to be interesting. I appreciate them adding the remnant brotherhood but they don't do anything so it's hard to care.

>I firmly believe that areas under their control would be similar to the legions where everything is prosperous nut you always live looking over your shoulder or with your head down or else you will get harassed by the people in charge.
Except it's stated in the game that they kill all wastelanders because they're "mutants" what a dynamic faction.

>>386057263
not an argument obsidibot, how about you actually try adressing some of the points ITT

what's with the shilling of this game lately?

i mean i started playing it myself recently and i like it, i just think it's weird.

>>386057393
t. Todd

>>386057417
Lately? There's a thread about New Vegas on here every 1 or 2 days.

>>386057129
>they're the ones who put forward a year of development time.
That's not how it works, publisher gives developer a time frame. There's so many reasons for that:
>publisher has to pay for dev time, any additional dev time means they have to spent more
>publisher has to market the game, they'll want to release it when they don't release other similar games
etc.

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>>386057263
Yeah, sure.

>>386044836
Holy fuck obsidian drones are retarded

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>>386046056
>anyone could do their games better
100% this. We don't even need Obsidian at this point (which is good because everyone who worked on FO1, 2, and NV is long gone from the company by now). Any middle tier developer with a reasonable budget and a standard dev cycle to work in could stomp Bethesda when making a Fallout game. That's how low the bar is.

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>>386049553
It's time to stop.

>>386049553
>"rebuttal" edits just list elder scrolls games for "games bethesda has made"
lmao

>>386057463
Look out anons! It's another non-argument!

What if new vegas was made by Bethesda ? would there be discussion lilke these ? what if fallout 3 and 4 were made by Obisdian ? would Obisdian fans love them but admit they have flaws ?

>>386057938
>"t-thats all it does"
Denial is a hell of a drug

FO3 was worse than FONV for the same reason FO4 is dogshit
Bethesda doesn't get what makes Fallout good, they completely miss the point

>>386058395
name 5 games bethesda softworks has made that's not related to elder scrolls at all without googling

>>386058354
>What if new vegas was made by Bethesda ?
It would be a completely different game

>what if fallout 3 and 4 were made by Obisdian ?
They would also be completely different games

Believe it or not but people don't like these games because they have legitimate problems with them. Not just because "Bethesda sucks lol"

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>>386057463
>obsidiots hate how they're portrayed in comments and comics and reply "I'M SILLY"
>proceed to act EXACTLY how they are perceived in said comments and comics
What did they mean by this?

>>386058354
Then FONV's quests, characters and dialouge would be as barebones and dry as FO3 and FO4 and FO4 might not have come out as a mediocre FPS with little to no RPG elements

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>>386058521
>without googling

>>386057417
>shilling a seven year old game

I don't think you know what that word means

>>386058586
Well believe it or not, New Vegas has a shit ton of problems too, many of which are shared with 3. You preach that people can have different opinions but freak out when someone confronts you with one that isn't yours

>>386058354
I couldn't really give a shit about Obsidian, the only other game I've liked from them is Knights of the Old Republic II, whereas from Bethesda I liked everything from them except Fallout 4.

I just consider Fallout 4 a massive step back in general. They very clearly know what the Fallout fan wants, they'd just rather appeal to the casual gaming market instead.

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>>386058521
>name x amount of y within this specific confines or else it doesn't count
New Vegas fags, everyone.

>>386059110
>samefagging

>>386058521
Fallout 3 and Fallout 4. Both of which garnered numerous GOTY awards.

Their Elder Scrolls series netted even more GOTY awards and critical praise.

How's nu-Obsidian doing?

>>386058898
I never said NV was perfect. Bethesda does not care about depth, this is reflected in their attitude and game development priorities. All they care about is making games that are a "fun" experience. I care about depth, that what I prioritize in my RPGs so I don't like 3 as much as New Vegas. I actually don't care about people liking Fallout 3. I'm personally okay with it. I just don't like it when people roll in and say 3 is just as deep as NV when it's blatantly not. You want to go make a thread about how cool and fun 3 is? Go for it. But don't come in here and spout a bunch of bullshit. Okay?

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>>386059321
>accuses someone of samefagging
>only replies to one
Ebin.

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>>386056117
You're an idiot then.
That image is actually worse than the original, and the original has lots of bullshit sprinkled throughout.
>doesn't even attempt to deal with the developer reputation
>decides that storyline of the entire game = paths through individual quests
>unilaterally declares factions you can't join aren't "really" factions even though you gain rep/infamy
>takes a statement that's half true ("all factions have intricate questlines [false] that effect the end of the game [true]") and declares all of it wrong
>decides that NCR vs Legion is the exact same as nu-BOS vs nu-Enclave
>declares comparison between NV and FO3 companions as "opinion" when FO3 companions never speak outside of recruiting them, have no history beyond what you need to know to recruit them, and have no character development
>handwaves away weapon variety with "but in NV its just melee weapons and low end weapons", ignoring the reality of more melee weapons making a new play style viable and more low end variety makes the game more immersive
>compares one of the most nonsensical quests in NV with the average quest in FO3 and acts like this is a devastating blow; literally pic related

>>386059110
>bethesda makes lots of games!
>list some of them
>>implying implications DAMAGE CONTROL NVFAGS BTFO

>new vegas threads are now deleted by hotpockets almost on sight
>/fog/ has figuratively banned NV discussion
>idiots who have no interest in RPGs or the game buy it because /v/ told them to then complain about it on here saying NV fans tricked them
>people make numerous images pointing out the games flaws
It's like the people on this website have a vendetta against New Vegas, I really don't understand

>>386059351
Ok, so they've made exactly 2 non-TES games.

>>386059750
>/fog/ has figuratively banned NV discussion
It was better when the Fallout generals were split between the Classic games/NV and the waifumod faggots in 3/4. The discussion was actually really good too I don't know why those threads stopped.

>>386044836
>Skyrim re-released 4 fucking times
>(((remastered))) even
>not this beauty
What a shame the parasite/tumor full of kikes at Zenimax killed Bethesda.

>>386058763
>>386059110
Honestly though even with google what games have Bethesda made themselves other then elder scrolls and fallout 3 and 4?

I honestly don't know.

>>386059958
>Be so successful and good you only need two franchises
This happens a lot actually. See: Rockstar

>>386044836
>its another daily obsidiot circle jerk thread

>>386059351
>How's nu-Obsidian doing?
Fine, actually. Seems like they're hitting their own stride in terms of development scope. Pillars 2 looks like a success, Tranny wasn't great but it gave the B-team some experience, Cain/Boyarsky dream team are still working on their UE4 project. Shit's tight.

>>386060169
Wayne Gretzky hockey series
Terminator series
Symbiocom
Zero critical
a drag racing game

that's literally it

>>386046527
>without unmarked/radiant/dynamic
>has more

what the fuck

>>386060169
Shattered Steel, Terminator Future Shock.

Oh wait, Shattered Steel was Bioware, another B-letter RPG dev.

>>386059750
Reddit saw all the Ironic Toddposters and became Unironic Toddposters

>>386059750
I know the feeling. Fucking Christ I don't even care if people like 3 or 4 that's their call, I just want to fucking talk about new vegas.

>>386060279
>Pillars
>Good
>Tyranny
>In any way worse than Pillars
Are you retarded?

>>386060227
There's nothing wrong with being a one-trick pony if you admit that's what you are.
People are trying to argue that bethesda has this wide range of video game development when they just make TES and nu-FO

>>386060279
>PoE good
>anything good coming from tyranny
Holy fuck you are a fanboy.

>>386060648
>one trick pony
Is that what were calling it now?

>it's another obsidrone circlejerk

truly you faggots belong on /v/

>>386060407
>>386060727
Pillars was pretty good, yeah, and 2 is looking better.

>>386053048
Crack open a history book some time. You know what the Legion's methods were called for most of human history? Normal. That's what everyone did. That's how civic order was maintained in most societies and between most societies from the neolithic to the dawn of the industrial era - through violence and fear. People sitting in the comfort and ease of the 21st century first world seem to have little to no grasp of how utterly exceptional their living situation actually is.

>>386050809
You've never played either game, even once, but want to have an opinion. Reposting a shitty comic that's full of obvious falsehoods and counterfeit arguments about both games is sufficient evidence. Just go ahead, buy the games, or pirate them, and play them from Fallout 1 onward. They're worth your time. Fallout 3's story, setting, and harmony with other Fallout titles are a mess but there's a lot of things it does better than New Vegas, the old school Fallouts are much braver in their content than most anything made today.

>>386060291
Let's not sell those Terminator games short. They were actually very innovative.

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>FO3 and NV are basically the same
>Only difference is that NV follows fallout lore more closely than FO3
>Both are still fun and worth a play despite any issues they have

Let's calm the fuck down people

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>>386044836
>It made them look exceptionally incompetent in comparison.

People will buy anything with the Bethesda logo stamped on it anyway, so why bother?

I was sort of shocked that even reviewers and normies, normies for the love of god man, NORMIES!!!, were criticizing Fallout 4's shallowness.

>>386060279
PoE and Tyranny were fucking garbage dude and I like most Obsidian games quite a lot otherwise.

>>386059750
>>386060029
>>386060384
>>386060403
Contrarianism was a mistake

>>386061021
I don't care much about Tranny but Pillars was good after patches.
>I like most Obsidian games quite a lot otherwise
So?

>it's a daily /v/ gets mad that people think NV is the best new Fallout game

why are NVfags so buttblasted about people liking games they don't like?

Both FO3 and NV are bug ridden messes. FO3 is only more stable than NV because Obsidian had about a year to get familiar with the engine AND build the game. It doesn't help that Bethesda did the QA testing for NV, so they released it knowing it was broken and known that Obsidian would get blamed.

Not that anyone in this thread actually cares, but both games are not very good. This is mostly due to the shit-tastic engine, but NV at the very least is a direct sequel to the original games made by Black Isle, and has their fingerprints all over it. And for that reason, I prefer NV over FO3.

While I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say NV's main story is objectively better than FO3's, it is subjectively so. It doesn't contain bullshit "this is your destiny" moments. Doesn't involve a crappy daddy-issues plot like a BioWare game, and doesn't involve a post-nuclear theme park world where nothing matters or even resembles the original Fallout games.

Whatever. You can like FO3. It doesn't bother me. I liked the Pitt, and thought Point Lookout was fun. But FO3 is where the franchise went to die, and NV brought it back to a half-life again, flickering briefly before dying permanently with 4.

FO3 and FO4 take place in some other universe that bears little resemblance to their forebears. It's a knockoff. If you asked for a Coke and got a Shasta Cola instead you'd still drink it, but it wasn't what you wanted. That's what FO3 is to me.

If you enjoy the Shasta Cola, more power to you, but I'm not buying anymore.

>>386061426
Cry some more, NMA. I like all Fallouts.

>>386061341
>>386061371
Which one is it guys?
Be sure to argue about it for another 200-300 posts minimum

>>386061426
>NV has no flaws! It was all Todd!
>It's a knock off despite all of the original devs except sawyer being okay with it

Kill yourself

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>>386061341
>>386061371

>>386060950
It wasn't though, it was shittily designed with terrible writing
I was shocked Tyranny is as good as it is

>>386061557
>>386061632
Have you guys ever considered reading the posts you respond to? Neat little trick I want to pass on to all you newfags :)

At this point I don't even care if you like FO3 now that 4 is out, FO4 is the most boring piece of AAA shit I've played in years.

>>386061861
>straight from r/atheism or NMA
>calls other newfags

>>386062009
Yeah again want to try reading? It's pretty fun.

>>386061839
Tranny looks ugly and what I've seen of writing is just not interesting to me. Pillars is pretty as fuck and has some fun combat encounters. Sequel looks even better.
>it was shittily designed with terrible writing
wow amazing arguments

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>yfw you realize it's literally only one bethkid cocksucker screaming about "obsidiots" and posting his shitty MSpaint comics in these threads

>>386062141
How about you provide something worth reading that isn't straight up propaganda, fag

>>386062469
>it's all one dude against me

You really are /pol/
Hate to break it to you, but FO3 has plenty of fans

>>386062469
Maybe not the obsidiot part but it definitely feels like one guy is spamming that shitty comic

>>386062261
>wow amazing arguments
You mean like
>Pillars is pretty as fuck and has some fun combat encounters

Let me elaborate
It's combat is a mess, the AI is retarded, the world makes no sense, the areas are alright to look at but quickly become boring due to their similarity (not to mention the biggest dungeon in the game may as well be copy pasted for every floor), the balancing is horrible, the companions are 1 dimensional, the dialogue is stilted and boring, the world is disjointed and makes little to no internal sense, the quests are linear as fuck and the ''''choices'''' are hollow and meaningless
Are those some better arguments for you?

>>386062575
I literally don't know what your talking about. That guy made a post where he said 3 and NV were both bad games but he preferred NV because it was closer to the original. And you interpreted that as
>NV has no flaws! It was all Todd!
>It's a knock off despite all of the original devs except sawyer being okay with it
or
>Cry some more, NMA. I like all Fallouts.
Despite the fact he said if you like 3 and 4 more power to you. And by the by I have no earthly clue what NMA even means.

>>386062639
Where are the Fallout 3 threads then?

>>386062794
You don't get it. I'm not trying to argue with you because it's pointless. I'm just saying I liked the game. And, objectively speaking, you have to admit it's a beautiful game.
>Are those some better arguments for you?
Most of those are just your opinions. Some are outright wrong - the balancing is pretty fantastic as of 3.0. The game isn't perfect though, the companions could use more attention and it does suffer from lack of second pass, but overall it's pretty fun.

>>386062961
>>386062961
>Where are the Fallout 3 threads then?

You shitpost them out of existence, faggot. Are you new? Do you think people actually hate NV? No, they hate it's autistic pretentious fanbase that gets triggered at the slight mention of FO3.

>>386044836
>still treating New Vegas like its so superior to Fallout 3

kek
Its the same game but in a small map and even more boring storyline.

>>386061341
No, its actually another
>Obsidianfags sucks Obsidian's dick thread

Seriously you would think they are actually amazing developers.

>>386063010
But I'm trying to argue with you, because you came on here and started spouting bullshit that isn't true
Pillars is trash, 2 might be good if they learn from Tyranny

Also
>the balancing is pretty fantastic as of 3.0
This could be true, I don't know, I played it the way it was when it got released and it was balanced as well as a seesaw at fat camp, you don't get points for finally managing to get your game to not be shit in the third version

>>386061426
>FO3 is more stable than NV
Is this post from 2011? Fallout 3 runs like shit on Windows 10.

>>386056980
>how dare this roleplaying game let me roleplay

Fallout 4 is more your speed

>>386060407
>>386060727
Honestly I enjoyed pillars. 2 seems like it will be great, my only problem with what I've seen is the portrait's of the 3 original party members.

>MUH OBSIDIAN

Their games suck though.
Shadowrun SHITS ALL OVER Obsidian games.
Only good thing they ever did was create Fallout.
So Obsidian a shit, Black Isle was better.

>>386063587
This. No wonder MCA left with a SJW autist like Sawyer in charge.

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>>386050204
>The only thing I agree with is Space Ghouls quest being pretty stupid, literally Fallout 3 tier writing.
That was a good questline, though. It was goofy, but so was Fallout 1/2. It had several really memorable characters and took an unexpected turn, and the radio broadcast as the rockets were taking off was pretty fucking clever and funny. Plus the whole super mutants going crazy from stealthboys thing tied in to a whole different questline which was a pretty cool and offered a sense of world consistency that is not present in a single Bethesda game, not even the good ones.

>>386063118
Fallout 3 fags try and do the same thing to new vegas threads.

We can't just make different threads and talk about the games because there'll be faggots on both sides that will shitpost the threads out of existence. Most fallout threads just devolve into shit like this.

>>386050204
>>386064095
>People actually think the ghouls made it to space
You can't be this naive can you?

>>386064224
I thought FO3fags didn't exist? :-)

>>386063346

I don't have Windows 10, and didn't fall for the "10 will be better!" meme, so I can't comment on it's performance. Out of the box, FO3 is more stable than NV on anything before Windows 10.

It legitimately baffles me how this game managed to get made.

>>386064072
>Avellone
>Muh BEAR AND BULL.
>Muh package.
>Muh divide.

I'd rather Sawyer then that pretentious faggot.

>>386064560
I love how you're so quick to throw him under the bus the second he gets tired of Sawyer's bullshit. Truly the most based fanbase.

>>386063587
>Only good thing they ever did was create Fallout.
What do you mean by this?

>>386064324
>You can't be this naive can you?
Never said I thought that. One of the rockets even spiraled out of control as soon as they launched and it was made pretty clear that the guy who engineered them was mentally ill. Also, the only guy in the game that claims they went to the moon is the crazy conspiracy theory guy. The ghouls just claim they are going to some irradiated hellhole where no normal man could survive.

https://youtu.be/4fhT3ETFi8k

>>386064546
Project of passion. There's no question the game has a lot of heart.

>>386064328
I never said that. I'm not even the guy you were original talking with. I couldn't give a fuck if someone likes 3 or 4, but if all people are going to do is fling shit at each other then it's best we stay separated. Whenever I've went on the fallout general to ask/talk about something new vegas related 8/10 times I'll get completely ignored so some faggot can post their THICC fallout 4 waifu.

>>386066249
Because New Vegas is no longer topical, idiot. Any subject there could be discussed has already been done.

>>386058354
are you fucking serious

>>386064915
I've not played Kotor 2 or planescape yet so the only experiences I have with Avellone writing is new vegas and pillars (he wrote durance and grieving mother.)

Ulysses was fucking terrible, Cass was alright (save for the cuck ending), Durance was good and grieving mother was fucking nothing.

>>386066353
Except when threads pop up here and aren't immediately deleted they often tend to reach bump limit.

Besides, I'd rather talk about a good 6 year old game then watch some posted their shitty waifu.

>>386055162
>Except they don't. They don't have quests and they don't really react to things you do or to events in the world.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/I_Forgot_to_Remember_to_Forget
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/I_Could_Make_You_Care
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/For_Auld_Lang_Syne
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Old_School_Ghoul
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Lily_and_Leo
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Heartache_by_the_Number
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/ED-E_My_Love
Shit fuck damn look at all these NOT QUESTS that NV companions have.
>They're flat.
You're flat, faggot. Your waifu is, too.

>>386048446
>shitty gunplay
>literally FO3 gunplay with ironsights