>What led to Fallout 4 being such a dissapointment? http

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Bethesda realized they they didn't have to try anymore after Skyrim's success. Just look at how well it sold and how it has very high reviews despite being a terrible game.

all dialogue being reliant on being voiced so overall there are less throughout the game in even lesser detail

>>386008935
>*just look how well fallout 4 sold despite being a terrible game
I wasn't implying that Skyrim was bad, it's in another league than F4.

>>386008935
Because they quite literally lied about what it was going to be.

That one designer died. Adam adamowicz? Also it was too saturated with colour. And obsidian werent involved. And it had very little fallout lore. And the institute are boring.

It was just made to be marketed and hyped.

It worked.

>>386009554
>too saturated with colour
Color should change with the weather. I don't know how Fallout 4's weather works, but it's nice to see bright powerful colors under a cloudless sky.

>>386009759
Personally, I miss the depressing mood of Fallout 3. Not the overuse of green, but just the general feeling it gave. Feels like everything is just too uplifting in Fallout 4 sometime, especially when compared to the first 2 games.

No towns, bad quests, pointless dialogue.

It also feels like they are just treading water with the fallout universe, neither in fallout 3 or fallout 4 has there been a sense of progression, in fallout 1, 2 and new vegas it shows that things are changing, and there are important factions with much larger consequences. Bethesda just sticks to like one city at most, its like they aren't comfortable writing in someone elses setting because in comparison they seem to do a lot more with the elder scrolls world (like the red year, great war, turning oblivion character into sheogorath, etc.)

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Lack of fun, original, interesting characters.

>>386009962
I don't see the problem with that. It's like 250+ years since the bombs shit should start returning to normal.

>>386008724
It has fuckall for modding

>>386010164
I'd like to see a list of all the shit they recycled from Fallout 3

Off the top of my head
>The Mechanist
>The Children Of Atom
>Maccready (didn't actually mind this one though)
>The story (but in reverse)

Sure there's a shit ton more

>>386010365
Being a Post-apocalyptic game and not a post-post-apocalyptic game like Fallout is

Emil.

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>>386008724
everything

and i mean that

>>386010207
That's an issue I have with 3 and NV. These places are still desolate and destroyed. Their houses look like complete shit. There's no structures made from mud like the first two Fallouts. They're completely stuck in the old world, despite hundreds of years having passed.

And no one is fighting over the pristine looking vaults. There's a few in NV and I'm sure some in 3. You don't need to look yourself in there, but those facilities can be upgraded and expanded upon. No NCR in any, no Legion in any, just a bunch of burnouts who use it to hang out, do drugs, and practice graffiti.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrQs9ugQiOA
if you have three hours

>>386010718
Man seriously, fuck Pete Hines.

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>>386008724
>Bethesda adds updates for Codsworth to say more names
>doesn't fix known gamebreaking bugs that have been there since the game's release

>>386008724
watered down, weak writing, censorship

>>386011007
>censorship
Do you have examples of this?

>>386008724
People were expecting an RPG.

Is this game good yet?

I havent played since release

Gun Variety is terribly weak
Gun sounds are limp dicked
No Skills
Perks are MMO Talent tree
SPECIAL doesn't matter at all
Charsima based Dialogue checks only
1 area IN THE ENTIRE GAME with "skill checks"
Voice acting and Wheel limit dialogue severely
It's basically a fucking rehash of Fallout 3 if you look closely. Makes me think they just copied the formula of 3 with some alterations.
Factions barely feel different
You can only Roleplay as a Nice Helpful Hero or Sarcastic Jerk But Still A Hero
Settlement system made the # of purposely crafted Settlements with people and quest

Pick as many as you like.

You can clearly see what they spent most of their time on.
Settlement Building.

>>386008724
>awful, uninteresting story
>not an RPG
>boring, repetitive sidequests
>inconsequential dialogue
>terrible AI
>shit graphics from a decade ago, like the rest of the fallout games

>>386008724
It's Borderlands with a Fallout 3 skin essentially.

Except it's not multiplayer, has fucking godawful writing and doesn't play as well as Borderlands.

>>386011229
>You can clearly see what they spent most of their time on. Settlement Building.

Bingo.

>>386011229
>You can clearly see what they spent most of their time on.
>Settlement Building.
And they fucked that up too. If I'm going to spend my time building a settlement, I'd like to see the fruits of my labor. 250 years after the bombs fell and your max settlement population is like 20 people, you can't build houses that aren't disgusting shacks with rusted walls, can't build roads, pavements...anything of consequence really. It would've been pretty awesome to watch your settlement grow, families move in, have kids....

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>>386008724
Bethesda have an army of fanboys to lap up whatever nonsense they produce.

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>everyone who says fall out 4 is a massive failure

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Notice anything?
When did gamers become such entitled little brats? How much do you want your 60 dollars to do?

>>386008724
similar to wow it has a rabid fan base that likes to eat shit.

>>386011590
>families move in, have kids....

Download Fallout Shelter Goy

>>386011772
I played Fo4 for about 500 Hours and I would never recommend it to anyone.
I can enjoy playing it by modding and playing it my own way and I'm deeply invested in the franchise since 2000
As a game on it's own it's shitty.

P I P E

W E A P O N S

>>386008724
Fallout 4 was only a disappointment if you liked Fallout 3. If you didn't, you didn't expect anything good to come from Bethesda, so you weren't disappointed.

And if you liked 3, I'm honestly not sure what your problem with 4 even is. It's not green enough? Maybe you just grew up?

>>386009962
Fallout 3 was depressing all right.

>>386011917
I also played fo4 for 400 hours and I used to also be on the fo4 hate train. But then I realized what an entitled cuck I sounded like. I got 400 hours of entertainment for 60$. Many others much more.

So here is the thing. We wanted the game that we could escape into forever. " that game which just takes us and becomes the game in our memories that we think was the best shit ever and we'll get to relive that memory in reality with fall out 4! "

>>386011772
>"How can you say the game is bad if you haven't tried it?"
>"How can you say the game is bad if you spent time on it?"

>>386011827

i can emphasize though. played through to meeting shuan, quit over how shit it was. installed 200 mods and ended up building settlements for 300 hours. still would not really recommend it to most people and people who still think FO is sacred somehow, even after FO3.

>>386011827
>all 300+ hours

wew. whoever got the season pass got fucked though. Far Harbour is ok but the other DLCs not so much. The aesthetic settlement stuff shouldve been free too along with automatron and its 4hrs questline

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>>386010718
>[Survival 15/30] Uh... yeah, I totally know how to swim
every FUCKING time

>>386011827
Their anger is pretty justified, to be honest.

>>386012090
Which had a worse season pass, fall out 4 or dark souls 3? lol

>>386012069

The amount of enjoyment per dollar spent is completely irrelevant for judging the quality of a game.

I can get tons upon tons of hours of fun throwing a frisbee around with my friends or a dog but is it one of the greatest things in life?
No

>>386011827
>>386011769
>game has faults at the start but I keep playing because it might get better
>finish everything
>Install some mods to mess around with
>all in takes about 120 hours
And I wouldn't recommend it either, just because it takes a while to get through a game doesn't mean I'm automatically going to like it.

>>386011053
can't marry and impregnate children

>>386012047
Fallout 3 isn't better than New Vegas, but it sure as hell isn't as bad as Fallout 4. Hell, Fallout 3 was like my all time favorite game ever made until NV came out.

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Bethesda's biggest problem is the insane amount of attention they give...to things that people will never, ever see. At the same time, they completely dumb down or miss things that EVERYONE will see.

For example, not too long ago, someone found out that you can get unique dialogue from Codsworth if you completely ignore him and sanctuary the entire game and then return to talk to him after completing the main story. Now, out of everyone who ever touches FO4, probably less than 1 percent will ever see this or know it exists.

But then you have main game elements in both story and game play that are so mismanaged and underdeveloped that almost anyone who plays the game will see and think, "wow. They didn't put a lot of thought into anything."

Bethesda's biggest problem is paying attention and crafting things that no one will ever fucking see while glossing over the shit that everyone does see. You can't create tiny details in your massive world to make it feel more lived in if the massive world doesn't really work in the first place.

>>386012069
What you're implying is that replayability shouldn't matter when purchasing a game and that just isn't true.

>>386012250
Hence the 1000 names shit
>>386008724

>>386012336
um im pretty sure people who have sunk 500+ hours into a game are going to replay it regardless of what they say now. They're just being little babies

I mean honestly I'm proven right the moment you go check the amount of time played on the reviews for fo4, and new vegas. Sure you got a screen of thumbs up kids with 40-100 hours. But that's cuck shit compared to fall out 4.

>>386012250
They clearly care about world building more than character development.

Honestly Fallout 4 has all the pieces there to be a good game. Maybe some day modders will completely scrap and rewrite the story, add meaningful rewards to quests, and make it a proper RPG. It very much could be done.

>>386012542

I wouldn't have played Fo4 ever again after finishing the main story if I hadn't modded the game to death.

The core game is a trash RPG and a mediocre open world shooter.

>>386008724
Shooting is fine
Crafting is fine
Weapons would be cool if there were no legendary weapons that also goes for enemies
Side quests are like:"Hey, I am an alcoholic, can you go kill some raiders?"
Speech wheel destroys the immersion so much.
Even with silent protag mod the dialog is shit
Overall the immersion is bad and most of the factions are pretty lame.
There are lots of problems in the game, but the biggest one is I guess immersion, if you look at previous games all of them have some problems, but they all still immersive.
Also mods do not fix this game, I was able to enjoy skyrim with mods, but with this game it's imposible.

>>386012542
That's mostly people playing with mods that actually make the game fun. Like Frost Survival ect.

>>386012636
It really bothered me that there's hardly any uniquely textured weapons at all. Getting a one of a kind weapon or armor set was nearly my favorite thing about Fallout 3 and NV.

>>386012579
>Maybe some day modders will completely scrap and rewrite the story, add meaningful rewards to quests, and make it a proper RPG. It very much could be done.


Might as well just make their own damn game like how Fallout started
They couldn't make more Wasteland so they said fuck you and made a Spiritual successor.

>>386012764
>there's hardly any uniquely textured weapons at all

the sheer amount of raiders with generic pipe guns is evil

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I've got about 400 hours into FO4 but would I recommend it? fuck no I wouldn't. 80% of those hours easy were configuring mods to improve the game, and the settlement building. When you buy a game to kill things and explore and end up just building "towns" then something went really fucking wrong during development.

>>386012854

Has anyone made a mod to completely remove pipe weapons from the game and replaced it's spot in the level lists with something else?

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>fallout 4 literally invented mods on consoles
>there are people here talking about how only mods make fo4 good while saying fo4 sucks while looking over the fact they wouldnt - as console players - be playing mods on console in the first place if not for fo4

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>>386010245
>yfw future Bethesda games will have even less
>Less copies will sell as a result
>Either they will start to return to their roots or stubbornly continue to make casual shit
>Either they go out of business or go out of business

>>386012989
>sell less
Nigga they've been doing this for almost two decades now, it's not going to slow down anytime soon now that TES and Fallout have garnered mass audience appeal as dumb shit games where you can wander aimlessly doing fuck all.

>>386012764
>>386012854
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/15139/?

Mods like these are a god send

>>386012947
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/21900/?

I actually started working on a mod of my own to replace pipe weapons with all of the mod weapons I have installed and I've realized in the process that the chances of an enemy spawning with a pipe weapon are even higher than you think. Like, for every 1 chance an NPC has of spawning with a normal weapon, they have about 20 chances of spawning with a pipe rifle, because they added them to each of the leveled lists multiple times.

Fallout 4 is legitimately one of the most boring games I have ever played

>>386012947
I'm positive they have. Just search Pipe on the nexus.

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>>386012989
>tfw Beth will drop single player entirely and focus on their MMO

>riders use pipe guns
>despite having literal steel mill
>gunners have good equipment
>chests at their base have shit equipment because bethesda is lazy
anyone whos defending this is a retard.

>>386012959
Nigger what?!?!

>>386013116
>Like, for every 1 chance an NPC has of spawning with a normal weapon, they have about 20 chances of spawning with a pipe rifle, because they added them to each of the leveled lists multiple times.

Fucking digusting

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>>386008724
Bethesda is ambitious, they want to try anything they think would be good, and have no sense of when to stop.
Fallout 4's writing is what made the game shit, and the writing was bad because their options were limited by how much the protag could say.

Everythimg else, except the dialog wheel, was great, and Fo4 could have been a great game, but ultimately it was not.


There are vtards/Obsidrones who will deny this by screaming about how Bethesda is some big evil greedy developer that doesn't give half a fuck about the games they make.
But Bethesda has been putting too much effort into their games for that to be true.
True they don't put that effort in the right places, but there's still a lot of effort.

Its this knowledge that lets me see the good days ahead. The days where Bethesda has run out of mistakes to make, where they know exactly how to make a TES or Fo game without it being horrid.

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>>386013271
Here's an example of what I'm talking about. This is the base leveled list for Raider weapons, and pipe weapons are included four separate times. No other weapon is featured multiple times in a single leveled list.

Every NPC is literally 4x more likely to spawn with a pipe weapon than with any other gun, except special enemies like Triggermen that don't have pipe weapons in their leveled list.

>>386013590
It's like they literally put effort towards making it a bad game.

>>386013590
>Everythimg else, except the dialog wheel, was great
(You)

>>386012081
>hah, sup bro, what u doin tonighjt
>faggot : fuking playing some shitty fall out 4, boring as fuck
>ah u must just be finishing the game up then, aight
>bro what u doin tonight?
>faggot: playin fall out 4 again
>uh u said that shit sucked youve been playing it every single day for hours
>faggot: it fucking sucks im just playing it constantly so i can find proof that it fucking sucks
>faggot: ah yes, finished. this might be my most played game ever and it fucking sucked

>>386012959
Mods can only do so much. You can mod the fuck out of Skyrim and it's still garbage, though the survival mods are pretty darn fun.

>>386013590
>they don't put that effort in the right places, but there's still a lot of effort.
If I have 50 people with autism in my garage all working on their pet projects and then I try to combine it all into a working car I'll have a pile of lego, fidget spinners and sonic fanfiction, not a car. Unless you've got directed effort working on things that work as a whole it's wasted effort.

>>386013657
Also, notice how the lower two examples have higher levels (level 7, then level 14). Pipe weapons make sense as an early game shit weapon, but you are actually more likely to find them after you level up. It's so fucking stupid.

>>386008724
How was it a dissapointment? It is exactly what I expected from the creators of FO3, Skyrim, and Oblivion.

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>>386008935
well fallout 4 was at least better than skyrim, skyrim held up for 2 hours and then you realize it's fucking stupid

>>386010164
I wanted to marry the ant bitch, would made her my slave

>>386010365
>The Mechanist
They didn't recycle them, its an entirely different person doing it for a different reason, the suit/character they portray is an in-universe comic book superhero.

>>386010718
damn it feels good to smoke weed and not nitpick about petty things, I knew it was not gonna be that good cos FO3 and NV weren't really that great either, fo3 was pretty awful from the start and new vegas become shitty when you get to the capital and realize that's it

>"Far Cry 3 is like Skyrim with guns" - Machinima
>Bethesda: I have an idea for Fallout 4

fallout is a shitty game for a 1st person rpg in a big sandbox

its environment lends itself to being full of samey destroyed buildings, and people who are either miserable, freaks, or monsters. the world established just isnt fantasical enough, or at least bethesda arent tapping into it, to make it very interesting to play for 30+ hours of shit. you get bored of it, unless it throws insane curveballs at you, which is why people like new vegas a lot because it probably got the most cartoony and comical of the series

>>386012081
>game become boring after 100 hours
WHO WOULD'VE THOUGHT!!!

>>386013203
NIGGA THEY DON'T HAVE AN MMO
ZENIMAX HAS AN MMO
BETHESDA'S NAME IS TACKED ON BECAUSE THEY OWN THE SERIES

>>386014004
>implying
Even Skyrim had stats. FO4 is what is means to go even further beyond.

>>386011229
>You can only Roleplay as a Nice Helpful Hero or Sarcastic Jerk But Still A Hero
when it comes down to it is this really any different from any other rpg? your dialogue options have always been limited to "bland nice guy," "greedy asshole," and maybe "crazed psycopath" and "retard" in some games.

>>386013590
>They literally rip off shit from top-selling games and popular mods in the most amateur way possible.
>Ambitious.

>>386014125
>heh ye bro, lets make a shitty game then blame another company its perfect itll get our fanboys to defend us and prevent us from being blamed for this xD

I hate how you're given such a small amount of special points; 10 int seems mandatory, am I wrong?

>>386013950
Yes, but they used the idea once again instead of coming up with something we haven't already dealt with.

>>386013923
There's a mod to have her as a companion. Just get a mod that allows you to place a slave collar on her then boom, there ya go.

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>>386012250
now you are on point, finally sound of reason

I think they did the action parts pretty shitty too, everyone has boring base full of idiots psychos who don't even know how to flank you or use grenades properly

this game doesn't even have a rushing enemy expect animals and that stupid suicide bomber

>>386013787
Did I say the effort made it a good game? No

What we wanted was a car, what Bethesda wanted was a sports car, what we got was a pile of legos, fidget spinners, and sonic fanfiction.

>>386014204
You could go for low INT + Idiot Savant, I suppose, to get comparable EXP returns. But, you'd have to pump INT eventually though, since it has some useful perks like Science!. You're probably right.

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>>386012090
I don't have the DLC's and I have 200 hours into the game
over 100 hours are from base building

>>386013863
Skyrim was an RPG and a good one at that

Fallout 4 was a JRPG

I want to know what the fuck they were thinking with the perk system.

>Oh you want to be able to properly use this huge feature that is a major part of the game? Better spend 6 points in the dump stat that is useless :)

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They should have taken the id Software route and just made the story as plain and generic as possible. Shit worked wonders for Skyrim. But instead they tried to be "clever" and it blew up in their faces because they don't have the proper talent for such a thing. The end result is an intrusive plot that actively hinders the gaming experience than serving as a mere excuse for it.

>>386013981
>DUDE WEED LMAO
kill yourself doped up retard

>>386014434
>Fallout 4 was a JRPG
ssshhhhh... you don't want to trigger the /v/eebs! Reality hurts them, you know.

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>>386014128
the characters in 4 are so cookie cutter:
>im paladin hurr durr im the asshole cop
>im raider HAHAHAHAH DIE
>im regular folks, im boring cuck
>im robot, die die

>>386014420
What enjoyment do you find in base building? Low defense for fights to actually test it out or just the fun of making houses?

>>386014296
well you need a sex mod too
>>386014434
skyrim was awful shit, level scaling makes games unbearable

>>386014463
dam it feel good to be gangsta and not some autistic homo in /v/

I bet you would be much relaxed and smoother if you smoked some

>>386014434
lol Skyrim was not an RPG. Not like you can choose any other ending but to kill alduin. I would have liked helping him enslave the world myself. As for the civil war. Both outcomes are the same pretty much. One gives you a home in solitude the other in Winterhold, that's pretty much it. You may get an occasional comment from some NPC's about the outcome but yeah, pretty much it.

>cant use your science skill to attempt to take control of a robot in 3d fallout yet
>cant use science to deploy makeshift turrets yet
>cant use explosives to destroy locks yet
>charisma doesn't effect certain hostile enemies like raiders, allowing them to be non hostile to you yet

>>386014443
They want to be cinematic. Fallout 3 and 4 both feel like movie pitches to me, in that their stories play it so safe and blockbuster generic that it really wouldn't surprise me if Emil Pagliarulo just really wants to see his work on the big screen someday.

>>386014167
None of that has to do with their ambition to make a great game.

>>386014434
>Skyrim was an RPG and a good one at that
Wrong on both accounts. It was an action/adventure game. And a piss poor one at that. Might as well call sim city an RPG because you're playing the role of a city planner/god.

>>386014228
>he didn't read my post
Found an Obsidrone

>>386014557
Yeah, I hate that system too.
I have a simple solution to level scaling: everything is always a certain level in the world, this doesn't change ever. However, leveling up increases the quality of their gear/drops. How does it sound?

As soon as they started introducing base building shit I felt like fucking falling asleep. I didn't think it was possible to make a game so dull and uninteresting.

>>386014615
>haven't had non-lethal combat options yet
>haven't had different ways to wield a weapon
>haven't had actual gore yet
>haven't had decent FPS combat in a Fallout game yet
For all their resources, you'd think Bethesda would've worked towards making their game fun to play instead of being Mineycrafta

>>386014597
Can't fool me man, I've watched reefer madness. I know all the dangers associated with the devils herb.

>>386010718
>these idiots think church of atom is only from megaton
fuck off fallout 3 cancerboys and play the old games you pieces of newfag shit

>>386014420
what did you make? the most time i spent on building was trying to box in the entire starlight drive-in parking area but i got tired of fetching wood and metal

>>386014684
I did and I stand by what I said. *We've already dealt with a "Mechanist"*

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>>386014696
that's how it should be, there was no point in leveling up after awhile in skyrim

>>386014742
Reefer madness isn't entirely made up. I've had panic attacks with some weed that's made me feel like I'm having a stroke or going crazy until it wears off.

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>>386014615
>cant use your science skill to attempt to take control of a robot in 3d fallout yet
?

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>>386014615
it so fucking limited and cunty to not be able to trade with raiders or do missions to them or GASP even be one of them

most people in fallout want to be bad ass mad max and not this errand boy for losers

>>386014875
Could've sworn you can. In like, all of them.

>>386014741
>haven't had actual gore yet
?
Gore is literally the only thing Beth puts any effort in to their """""Fallout""""" games.

>>386014830
And I've had panic attacks from forgetting to feed my housemates cat. Should I blame the cat or should I consider if I have underlying physical and mental issues that are simply being triggered by outside stimulus?

>>386014609
>Not like you can choose any other ending but to kill alduin.
So what you're saying is Morrowind and Oblivion weren't RPGs either?

>>386014658
You create your own character, you choose your own adventure, how you play is entirely up to you.

Be specific, in what ways is Skyrim not an RPG?
Because I can guarantee you its jyst as much of an RPG as every other TES game

>>386014620
That is what I abhor with modern Bethesda games. They try to make all the quests and shit cinematic bullshit when they aren't actually capable of writing good dialog or animate, and their fork of the engine can't properly display those cinematic moments.

So instead you stand around waiting for stiff character that barely moves talking the most generic and characterless dialog you have ever heard or slowly walking across a room and you can't skip it. It's so frustrating and boring that these days if I replay games like Skyrim I skip 90% of the quests because they are so tedious. It's like they looked at the Baurus sewer quest from Oblivion and went: "Now this is the type of quests we should aim for!" even though everyone hated it with a passion.

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>>386014742
people with problems get problems with weed, like for example if you are panicky you gonna panic, if there is something wrong with your life you are gonna worrry about that and ruin your high, if you are easily addicted mofo you gonna get mentally addicted

so only losers who cant' handle their shit can't smoke weed

>>386014898
The Nuka-World DLCs feels hollow but it's all about raiders and making useless raider settlements

>>386014875
That only shuts them down. I want something similar to speech checks with science that gives you a chance to completely control one enemy robot at a time.

They gave it an ocean load of content that was about as deep as a puddle.

>>386014984
Pretty much yeah. But those games we're never really meant to be RPG's though. They're merely narrative adventure games with RPG elements, atleast the main quest. Many of the sidequests of those games have choices that I can remember.

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>>386014830
I had panic attack sober because I realize my friend was moving into shitty apartment that didn't have internet, it was weird af. Made me feel super nauseous and ill and after awhile it started to feel like I had a heart attack, even wrote testament to txt file to my desktop before crashing out that night.

>>386014768
Repeating yourself doesn't make my point go away.

This is my last reply to you Obsidrone.

>>386015015
That's what rank 2 or 3 does though.

>>386015015
rank 1 can turn them off
rank 2 can make them self destruct
rank 3 can turn them friendly

automatron DLC adds customizable robot followers if youre into that

>>386015127
Alright then eat shit and die for all I care, doesn't make my point wrong.

>>386015003
well those raiders are just pure shits, they put bad unlikeable personalities on purpose to them

fucking gay, real raider leader would have to be some charismatic character, you really can't lead for long with just shouting and shooting your own if they don't obey

>>386015212
>you really can't lead for long with just shouting and shooting your own if they don't obey
How long was Stalin in power for?

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>>386015098
>Pretty much yeah. But those games we're never really meant to be RPG's though. They're merely narrative adventure games with RPG elements, atleast the main quest.

>>386015314
What isn't true about that statement, Hank?

>>386013743
I put 100 hours on skyrim before I realised that it was fucking shallow.

The idea of an open-world RPG was fantastic for me, but the world was so empty and uninteresting, combat and quests so boring, no sensation of accomplishment...

I got so burned out of skyrim, that I think I will never touch it or another bethesda's RPG

>>386015423
Pretty much just described my Fallout 4 experience

>>386015423
you can always try their early ones from when they cared about their games. i think you can download Daggerfall for free right from Beth's website

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>leveled randomly generated loot instead of unique weapons
>fucking enchanted weapons in a fallout game
>no stats
>yes, sarcastic yes, no(yes)

>>386014434
>Skyrim was an RPG and a good one at that
lol nah

>>386015568
yes, sarcastic yes, maybe(yes), no(I'll say yes later)
ftfy

>>386015568
>fucking enchanted weapons in a fallout game

yee boi. explosive minigun, rampage-mode is a go

until a blasted mutant hounds or the like gets close and the AoE fucks you up as well anyway

>>386015597
Tell me how it wasn't, be specific

>>386015793
First you tell me how Skyrim was a good RPG, in detail.

Every other review I see in the negitive reviews of Fallout 4 is either how Fallout's Expandalone New vegas was somehow better? Explain how rehashed tecture work , unfinished armor's , the most random storyline , crap map design with all the colorful shades of brown and desert with even worse voice acting than fallout 3 are some how better than fallout 4? Most of new vegas's map was EMPTY! Sure I took interst in cesear's legion but I hated how crap their main camp was.. or how New vegas was supposed to be this huge paridise but nope... it was about 8 buildings crammed into a small space and littered with drunk NPC's....

the NCR power armor was probably the biggist joke in New vegas , they literally took the T45 and stripped the waist out and removed the shoulders and placed the NCR logo on the chest and removed parts of the helm... Literally almost copy and paste with some removal...

New vegas had
-poor voice acting in comparison to 4
-poor texture work
-bad map design where everything was waaaaaaaay more spread out requiring you to travel 15 minutes in between every single small shack with one car and two piles of tires.... copy paste copy paste....
-pretty much rushed everything.


Yes I hate new vegas.... Even the blue super mutants aka nightstalkers were just rehashed models of the normal mutants just recolored to be blue....

The only real thing New vegas brought was probably the weapon mods ( which made a return in Fallout 4...)

But really.... HOW IS NEW VEGAS BETTER?

Graphics in 4 are better...
gunplay in 4 is better...
the map in 4 is far more vertical so traveling feels far more fluent and less of a chore.
Fallout 4 improves on most aspects of the series...


And yet New vegas fanboys are crapping on fallout 4.....

>>386015423
>no sensation of accomplishment...
The gameplay needs an overhaul. There needs to be a hierarchy of enemies in regards to the impact of killing them. Killing a bandit should hold weight. You've ended the life of another human. Bandits knowing their lives are on the line should handle themselves much differently than they do in the game.

Being able to take on bandits 3v1 is immersion breaking from the perspective of these 1st person adventure games. This isn't an old school RPG where you select an enemy, click "Attack" and deal damage based on your skills, traits, weapon, and bonuses. Hitting a humanoid with a sword in the neck and only doing 1/20th of their maximum HP just feels wrong. However, extremely realistic health formulas take all RPG aspects out of the game when everyone goes around 2 shotting each other.

It's difficult to balance combat where battles are: challenging, rewarding, and tense.

>>386015941
you can be a bard that can't even play instruments and just by doing fetch quests

checkmate, hater

>>386015941
You're the one on trial, further refusal to elaborate will invalidate your claim.

>>386016109
This isn't a court trial you fucking autistic retard. You made the original claim that Skyrim is a good RPG, the onus is on you to back it up. If you refuse to do so than your claim is invalid.

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>>386015994
reee

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>>386014615
>charisma doesn't effect certain hostile enemies like raiders, allowing them to be non hostile to you yet
but you can. It's the 10 CHA perk. You can even tame random wild deathclaws.

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>>386015198
>rank 2 can make them self destruct
>MFW that glitch that let you hack robots from far away with a sniper rifle

reminder that ghouls don't need to eat, sleep breathe or drink
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Kid_in_a_Fridge

>>386016213
Your claim is now invalid, you couldn't prove skryim isnt an RPG because you know it is.

Skyrim allows you to make your own character and be whoever you want to be, just like Oblivion did before Sktrim, and just like Morrowind did before Oblivion.
This is the act known as roleplaying, its different in meaning from role playing, this is why Skyrim is an RPG.

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>>386014615
>cant use your science skill to attempt to take control of a robot in 3d fallout yet
Robotics expert perk
>cant use science to deploy makeshift turrets yet
>cant use explosives to destroy locks yet
There's mods for these
>charisma doesn't effect certain hostile enemies like raiders, allowing them to be non hostile to you yet
Intimidation perk.

>>386012636
The minutemen quests are always hilarious to me
>Help this family in a decrepit shack on a beach somewhere
>"Raiders keep attacking us! Go kill them all!"
>Map marker added
>Opposite end of the fucking map
You're telling me one group of drug addicts is regularly traversing like 30 miles of deadly wasteland to steal your knickknacks?

>>386016605
>in the same game a Brotherhood recruit has been feeding a pack of ghoula food to keep them at bay

>>386014514
just making shit look good
in my 200 hours of playtime my base was attacked only two fucking times
they should've been more frequent and maybe happen when you're not around
the fights won't start if you're not present and that's stupid.

>>386016457
Reminds me of a skyrim glitch that has only ever happened to me in one specific spot.

I shoot an arrow, stealth killing the guy, and immediately Im looting the corpse from all the eay across the room.

>>386016621
Everything you say is now invalid. You failed to support your original claim and explain how Skyrim is a GOOD RPG, instead deflecting your burden of proof.

Opinion discarded and incinerated.. Thanks for conceding, better luck next time.

>>386016806
Mine get attacked all the time.
And then somehow they get rekt and everybody blames me. I gave you shitheads 8 heavy laser turrets and some fucking missile launcher turrets, how are you losing?

>>386016671
theyre dummies but having random mechanic sturges build a teleporter that falls apart is pretty fun. defending the fort from the institute siege is a fun time to mess with settlement defences too

>>386016671
>show up to settlement
>open fire on residents
>activate bench, preventing new people from spawning
>go back to Preston and tell him they won't be joining our cause
>rinse and repeat

>>386016671
>F3
>"If it was Raiders that attacked Arefu you'd be looking at a burned out ghost town"

>F4
>Some raiders keep harassing us and throwing rocks through our windows
>kill them pls thx

>>386016789
Are you drunk?

>>386017031
I'm not replying to deleted posts

>>386017031
I may be under the affluence of incohol but I'm not as think as you drunk I am.

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>>386016893
>missile launcher turrets around NPCs you don't want dead

i see you like to live dangerously

>>386016857
>getting mad about being wrong
This is how we know you're an Obsidrone

>>386017114
settlers are unkillable, like half of all npcs in f4

>>386016986
>show up to settlement
>open fire on resident
>They where supposed to tell me that the other resident was kidnapped so technically the place is still occupied and i can't use the bench.

>>386008724
Huh... I actually watched a special on this just last night. Here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amtsN-NRqwM

>>386017147
>Bethesdrone continues to rekt himself by providing no argument

Loving every laugh

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>>386015994
It's amazing how inappropriate elipsis are a dead give away that the person using them is a literal retard and doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about.

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>>386014420
>over 100 hours are from base building
Gosh that sounds so boring

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>>386017158
...so i bothered gearing up my settlers with whatever armors i looted and passed on AoE defences for nothing. sweet

>>386017263
>he's still mad

>>386012090
i dont feel ripped off since i got the season pass before they marked up the price on it

>>386017450
>no argument
>u mad? u mad?
Sorry you're upset about being wrong and have to now eat shit because you lost all credibility my little bethdrone autist. Try harder next time.

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Just gonna leave this here.

>>386017530
>he's still mad and getting angrier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLJ1gyIzg78

>>386017701
>still no argument
Stay angry and retarded

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>>386016605
consider for a moment that maybe ghouls don't need food if they sleep and do nothing until something stirs them.

>>386017701
>>386017752
Would you two just fuck and get it over with?

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>>386017650
i like the heavy version. pick on leather armor if you really want to laugh

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>>386017650

>>386017837
>he's STILL mad and SEETHING
This is how we know you're an Obsidrone

>>386017752
>he's still mad and still replying

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>>386017840
The leather armor is actually one of the few I liked the design of.

>>386017375
Once their health is down they lie on the floor like a companion that needs a stimpack and if they get hit by friendly fire they die but enemies can't hurt them anymore.

>>386017330
anon please

https://steamcommunity.com/app/377160/discussions/0/496881136905388770/

Thanks for admitting you are actually mad by replying to my post. Bethdrones butthurt is endless

>>386017829
I guess that really explains some things, like how ferals can live for hundreds of years without food.

>>386008724
>dissapointment
What were you expecting

>>386010006
There's plenty of towns, there's just nothin in them so you don't remember them.
There's diamond city, goodneighbour, the railroad hq, ticondera tower, the prydwyn, the institute, alley cat hideout and even sanctuary has a bunch of named npcs that could have done something.
Even a few settlements have named npcs and a non radiant quest associated with them, it's just that there an only the introduction and then it turns into another generic settlement instead of having more content, even if just unique radiant quests related to them. There's greygarden, Abernathy farms, finch farm, the slog, covenant, the castle, bunker hil, the water treatment plant next to the alley catsl and the airport below the prydwyn.

The base is there and there's much more settlement activity than fallout 3, they just didn't do anything with it.

>>386018048
A good game.

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>>386008724
Bethesda

/thread

>>386018076
Why lol

>>386018056
Sorry about the mess, iphone spellcheck has it's own ideas about spelling and grammar

>>386018006
>it's from a butthurt Bethesda fanboy on the steam forums

Just further proves my point really.

>>386017917
Seeping anon, I'm seeping. My ass is so damaged that I've lost all sphincter control.

>>386010596
The vaults are all run-down and kinda forgotten about, especially in 3. And while I can't speak for 3, Fallout newvegas has plenty of towns where people live in actual buildings that were repaired. Its only the legion, tribals, and a few people out in the sticks that live in shacks or tents

>>386018140
>he's still mad and still replying

>>386017960
Why do they need to shove their ugly OG pipboy into the game

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>>386017960
hah. i really don't like all the stitches and studs

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>>386018186
Here's the one that will really get ya.

Also, I actually really like bethesda's version of the pipboy

>>386018220
The light version is pretty cool though. Probably spent more time on its design cause they knew it would be showcased on gameplay footage.

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>>386008724

>>386018267
looks like a toilet lid strapped to his chest
Also I'd like the ability to have a 2000 or something and it just hangs from the hip or something

>>386018220
Why do all of bethesda armours have gay porn cod pieces?

>>386018392
That could be neat.

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>>386017375

>...so i bothered gearing up my settlers with whatever armors i looted and passed on AoE defences for nothing. sweet

Because it was a tacked on gimmick that held no merit whatsoever and was severely lacking in many aspects including no end game.

On top of this, enemy spawns are so rare and few in number that it becomes utterly pointless since you teleport in and kill them or place enough cheap sentries out to where the defensive points are high enough that it no longer spawns enemies.

>b-but mods can save it

FUCK YEAH FREE LABOR! I love when I can half ass a job and just let my loyal fanbase do the work for me. That must be the mindset of people like Todd Howard. Fallout 4 was such a letdown even by Bethesda's standards (that says a lot). I don't even think an Obsidian spinoff game could save this. So many core rpg elements once again stripped.

>>386018267
The hell am I looking at here? It looks like something a kid with downs would make out of cardboard when he wanted to play astronaut.

>>386018375
There's a surprising amount of Maxson beefcake art and porn. I wonder what folks like about him.

>>386018461
Level 70 here.
I've got settlements with 200 defence and no resources in them outside of like 20 food and water, yet they somehow still get attacked and lose

>>386014997
DUDE WEED LMAO

>>386018446
Can't be gettin your dick shot off.

>>386018482
That my friend, is top of the line advanced Scrubbin' Bubbles armor forged from the finest prewar porcelain

>>386018392
Original PIP-Boy goes on your wrist as well. Check the Fallout 1 manual, it says so there.

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>>386012989
>mfw Fallout 4 sold more than either Fallout 3 or New Vegas

>>386017330
it's amazing how there are still things in new vegas that i haven't seen yet

>>386017330
>>386018606
Wait, how could you desecrate the memorial though?

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>>386018267
Isn't it meant to be pulled off a synth? Why not make it all robotic and cool, instead of something that he fell in while drunk

>>386014810
>haha le memes morty

just another proof that there is no god LOL

>>386018649
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Defacing_the_Humble_Stone

>>386018769
Woah, that's pretty neat actually.

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>>386008724
Ultimately the story could still be absolute trash and the game be passable if every fucking location in the game wasn't full of raiders, gunners (raiders), supermutants (raiders with more health) or ghouls (raiders with bad AI).

Plus no NPC in the game has a personality.

>>386018267
I find it extremely hard to believe that a developer looked at this and said "Yeah that's cool, the fans will really love this armor set"

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>>386018446
have a ventilated one complete with an outfit thats all rubber and spikes

>>386018649
Just shoot it
Also took me like 2 play throughs to realise that boulder city had a bar

Does it feel like new vegas was meant to look like it had functioning trains and cars to anyone else? There's a lot of settlements around train tracks, and all those cares at the Mojave outpost look like they're meant to be recently abandoned due to the gates being shut, like a traffic jam

>>386018928
Context of image?

>>386018967
What even is this?

>>386008724
Voiced dialogue
Focused graphics over gameplay
Oversimplification
Randomized '''unique''' weapons
Shoves 'Fallout' in your face, starting with power armor, a mini gun, and a deathclaw
Main conflict is basically 'Racism is bad' and an evil organization taking over the world
Shoves building down your throat
Bethesda knew they wouldn't have to try thanks to mods, now on consoles so they only need to make an engine and mod tool really
Took out any remotely evil options
Wants to be Mass Effect meets Minecraft

Anything I miss?

>>386018928
BUY A SWATTER

>>386018967
That helmet, though.

>>386018994
Looks like Pathologic.

>>386019023
Far harbor's trapper gear

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>>386018967

>>386018141
Vault 3 in New Vegas is very clean, aside from some light graffiti. And it's right next to Camp McCarran. And which towns in New Vegas, aside from the Strip, have clean looking buildings? Goodsprings is a mess. Why does Doc Mitchell have broken down shelves and a dirty sink and toilet? Abraxo cleaning powder exists. Doc doesn't have research to do, he just treats gecko bites as they come in, he could be cleaning his house up.

Obviously cleaning isn't a top priority when you're in this sort of society, but it's been 200+ years and Goodsprings is very safe. That place should look great.

>>386019069
Moral question
If synths are exactly the same as humans except for the synth chip and courser chips, why not just plant those chips inside of human brains instead of killing and remaking those humans?
Also can synths reproduce, I mean you have sex with magnolia

>>386018994
Pathologic fanart.
>>386019083
I was straining to think of memorable NPCs and that was the only thing I could think of.

>>386018967
That looks like it would give a bad itch

>>386018180
jokes on you Skyrim is garbage

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>>386010718
That Kellog and Shaun dialogue works a lot better if you think of it as Blackadder and Melchett.

>>386019213
How about when the PC says 'I've got a few minutes to browse' every time you barter.
Or Artuo in diamond city was kind of cute.
The Japanese noodle robot
Diamond city guards and their weird accents
Cait before the dumb side quest she has (just take addictol you dumb idiot)
Greygarden robots
Good neighbour Guards
magnolia
British bar robot
Curie

>>386019340
When I think of Fallout 4, I immediately think of Piper because she was one of the few people that has been known since before its release

>>386009962

Fallout 3's atmosphere looked like the bombs fell two days ago not 200 years ago.

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Here's a challenge. Say one thing about Fallout 4 you liked, and one thing about New Vegas you didn't like.

I'll start.

>Fallout 4
I really enjoyed Nick Valentine. He was a really well written and designed character.

>Fallout: New Vegas
It really pisses me off how some world objects like doors, sinks, bathtubs, furniture ect. are really oversized when looked at in 3'rd person and sometimes it really annoyingly noticeable.

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>>386011772
>>386011827
These are some fucking rookie numbers.

>>386019569
FO4
Curie is adorably lovable

NV
Fuck off with the invisible walls everywhere

>>386019605
>2000hrs
>doesn't have all the achievements

you're slacking off!

>>386019569
>Fallout 4
Literally nothing. Just a solid lump of 'Meh'
>NV
Didn't like the fancy cannibals. Or how they had nonlethal damage but only used it for unarmed, it could've been interesting if they made more non lethal weapons.

>>386019569
Stop playing with loli mods installed

>>386018536

And yet do you ever feel compelled to 'save' them? Or do you come by later to fix up their generator that three ogres smashed yet somehow the population survives.

Where are the settlements btw? Certain settlements have higher level mobs amd additional defense to staff them off. Not like ut matters, theres no fucking payoff for any of it

>>386019569
The look of the power armors. For both of them. Functionality aside.

Not really Obsidian's fault since they were working in a really short time frame with Bethesda's tooling and Fallout 3 as a base.

Really none of the nuFallout games compared to 1 or 2 though.

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>>386019340
>I've got a few minutes to browse
And to make it worse the voice actress sounded like she had a fucking head cold.

Companions and faction leaders don't count, the rest aren't memorable and some of them literally aren't characters.
I think the only real memorable character in the whole game is Cricket, but she only has a handful of repeating lines about nothing.

>>386019706
>only for unarmed

Cattleprod, my man. You get flash grenades that do fatigue damage in the divide too

>>386019706
>how they had nonlethal damage but only used it for unarmed
Beanbag rounds (they still do some lethal damage, but mostly non-lethal). There's also Compliance Regulator.

>tfw no dingus

>>386019743
I thought defence just needed to be higher than resources combined
Ten pines bluff, green top nursery, vault 88 and the slog are always under attack

>>386019815
>>386019823
Guess my memory's bad or I never found them.

>>386019569
FO4
Power army actually has some weight behind it

NV
How the casino's stripped your weapons. This would unbind all your weapons from your hotkeys, making you rebind them all, and sometimes delete weapons given to your companions

>>386008724
It's a game that doesn't know what it wanted to be; you had some developers trying to build a sandbox and others who wanted an immersive narrative experience. Somewhere along the lines they forgot it was supposed to be a RPG.

Also, the fact that there's no dedicated loremasters for Fallout like they have with TES gimped the possibility of actual worldbuilding and immersion

>>386019297
>getting mad about being wrong
This is how we know you're an Obsidrone

>>386019692
Not me, but a friend, mostly DLC achievements they're missing.

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>>386014749

>>386019569
>Fallout 4 (only played for a short time on a PC that couldn't handle it well)
The movement is a huge improvement on the engine used for 3/NV. Felt smooth and nice.

>New Vegas
Too much of the content is in non-overworld cells. Vaults are fun, but caves are extremely boring. I hate sewers. I hate train tunnels. There's so much desert and too few secrets sprinkled throughout it.

>>386019874
Remember when they were showing off new vegas at E3 and the casino lost all of the players weapons?

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>>386018967
>>386019129
oh kek

>>386020072
Plenty of secrets, it just requires you to read the mediocre comic to understand thrm

Has anyone here ever had Fo4 bluescreen their computer?

This isnt a question as to if it's ever happened, but again, a question as to if anyone here has had it happen in theur presence.
I had it happen to me once abd want to know if this was an isolated incident or if its a semi-common problem.

I had some mods installed so those might have been the problem, but I just want to fact check real quick and see if it was just me or if others have had the same experience.

>>386011229
> Gun Variety is terribly weak
> Gun sounds are limp dicked

Can be fixed by mods, keep in mind, this statement doesn't mean I'm defending this/them.

> No Skills
> Perks are MMO Talent tree
> SPECIAL doesn't matter at all

Pretty much, replaced by "perks" and finding magazines. Most perks are just "do this thing better by this %" or add points to special, hardly anything fun or exciting.

> Charsima based Dialogue checks only

Mod to sort of fix that, also see point 1 of "this statement doesn't mean I'm defending this/them."

> 1 area IN THE ENTIRE GAME with "skill checks"

Even the "no change a lock picking is bullshit.

> Voice acting and Wheel limit dialogue severely

"but lets spend money on (See OP youtube)"

> It's basically a fucking rehash of Fallout 3 if you look closely. Makes me think they just copied the formula of 3 with some alterations.

except with added features that are shallow.

> Factions barely feel different

Also didn't have any choices in what to get them to do.

> You can only Roleplay as a Nice Helpful Hero or Sarcastic Jerk But Still A Hero

Pretty much.

> Settlement system made the # of purposely crafted Settlements with people and quest

Bush work

> Pick as many as you like.

I could probably add another 20 points for you if you want?

> You can clearly see what they spent most of their time on.

This one I won't agree with because there was some talk about it being added late game? And if it really wasn't than holy shit what a shallow and stupid way the implemented it.

>>386019605
let me guess
Recommended: Not

>>386017960
I completely forgot that leather jacket and leather armor were separate things in F1 and 2.
>F1
>be male
>wear leather jacket
>hold sawed-off shotty
>raiders lose their shit
Yeah.

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>>386008724
>Enter location
>Shoot raiders
>Read terminals
>This company didn't pay their taxes 200 years ago whoah
>Find a big colourful treasure chest with leveled loot you've seen 50 times before
>Leave through the same door because every building has to loop back around to the entrance now
>Get sent back later in a quest and all the enemies respawn
Greatest RPG of our generation.

>>386020252
Don't forget the enchanted weapons
Do you think bethesdas next game will be a TES/FALLOUT crossover?

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>>386011772
>>386011827
>dont like game and criticize it
>you obviously didnt play it
>show that I did play for a couple of hours
>you didnt play it enough! you have to complete everything before you can judge it properly!
>show that I played it for hundreds of
>well why did you play it for that long? You obviously liked it you contrarian

Why are Bethesda fanboys so insuferable

>>386011827
I have 249 hours in Skyrim. About 200 hours of that is me modding it several times, testing mods and mainly losing interested by the time i get everything working. Later (3-6 months later) having to start again from scratch because I now have to update all mods and also get new ones and figure out where to put new ones in the installation order as well as testing them.

I have 176 hours in F4. Around 120~ of that is the same shit.

>>386020252
>Leave through the same door because every building has to loop back around to the entrance now
What's the solution to this? Skyrim had you loop back around to a secret door that was 20 feet from the entrance. A secret door that has no right to exist other than to save you from backtracking through the cave/dungeon/ruins.

>>386020334
>hey son, got ya that game yous been wantin'
>thanks dad, i just know im gonna be playing it all day every day!

>eh boy you been in your basement playing that same game all the fucking time, how is it that good?
>no dad it fucking sucks! i thought this was going to be the final game id ever have to make you buy and it turns out its only good for like 500+ hours. fucking REEEEEEEEE

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This is MacCready. He is a mayor of Little Lamplight, a town full of children. Since children cannot die, it is the safest settlement in the world. Say somethong nice to him

>>386008724

>I really enjoyed Nick Valentine. He was a really well written and designed character.

He had a good voice actor..but that was it. If you ever watch a noir type movie or sitcom, youll notice hes really bland and completely unoriginal. I get this feeling Todd Howard just watched a few movies featuring Humphrey Bogart and Robert Mitchum and said "ok just tie a bumch of common tropes of all this together and heres the kicker...make a robot! Uhh i mean synth."

I refuse to believe it went any other way. Just take a look at Strong. Hes literally the fucking Hulk in his all of his characteristics.

>>386020384
i don't want to defend it but in Skyrim, going back through the area to see if you missed anything worthwhile was meaningless since you knew there was no such thing in Skyrim

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What's you're favorite outfit in New Vegas /v/?
Every single playthrough I wear this and only this.

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>>386020539
>>no dad it fucking sucks! i thought this was going to be the final game id ever have to make you buy and it turns out its only good for like 500+ hours. fucking REEEEEEEEE

>>386020609
Making children killable in a 3d game is not a good idea. I don't blame Bethesda in the slightest for making them essential. Fallout 1 and 2 got a ton of shit for having killable children in their games.

>>386020659
Graham armor and salt-upon-wound's helm all day erryday

>>386020751

>ton of shit

Source?

>>386020614
He's not a standard detective man. He's a prewar cop who had his memories transferred into a synth. I've never personally seen that in a noir film.

>>386020749
>the only way to objectively measure the quality of a game is to see how many hours of entertainment a player got out of it
>your only response to my objective analysis was basically nothing

>>386020751
Don't be such a limp dick, making kids unkillable was probably the first step on making half the NPCs immortal.

>>386011827
idk dude I have close to 200 hours on FO4 mostly because of settlements and if we're just talking about settlements it was implemented shittly no support after its inception no quality of life updates they just added more shift you could craft while existing problems continued.

Like how the fuck do you create a settlement system and completely ignore trade routes being more than sharing resources? No politics between the towns, no mayors, AI was shit and couldn't defend itself, place was still dirty after you meticulously spent time fixing every plot of land.

>>386020826
They had to completely remove children all together to release the game in some countries.

>>386020921
How would you want your whole company to be associated with child murder all over the news. Having to deal with lawsuits and shit. It's not fuckin worth it dude.

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>>386020912
I don't think you understand what objective means. A dull game that takes 1000 hours to complete is still a dull game even if people who dislike it put themselves through playing it. Anyone who thinks numbers of hours played is an objective measure of numbers of hours of quality entertainment is a literal fucking retard.

You can't both expect people to play a game before forming an opinion and then discerdit their opinion for playing to long. Your oh-so "objective analysis" is a fucking double standard.

>>386020826
British and Australian versions had. I kids, which caused a bunch of glitches in the den

>>386021146
I'm an Australian and the Aus copy I had didn't have unkillable kids. Found that out the hard way when I burst fired on someone and butchered a kid.

>>386020751
>Making children killable in a 3d game is not a good idea.
Making those unkillable children important and very annoying NPCs isn't a good idea either.

>>386020985
>completely remove
It's funnier than that, they just made them invisible. So there's a town where kids are running around and stealing shit, they still do that in European version, you just don't see them.

>>386021053
wouldnt the controversy and being all over the news sell the game? isnt that how GTA got popular

>>386020940
At the very least there needed to be 50 or so named NPCs that could potentially move into a settlement.
Just give them a dialogue to tell their story and maybe have them give radiant quests, even.
Maybe a hotel building option that could allow for random events to happen inside settlements too. Just make it a generic store ploppable and it just needs +4 beds over the population to function

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>>386020846
That's just his appearance and backstory. He's still completely dull as a character in-game.

>>386021053
>killing a bunch of pixels
>lawsuits

Apart from some people getting their feelings hurt nothing would come of it, they should man up or just not have children at all.

>>386012203
lol

>>386021206
Whoops. I just assumed we just got the same version that Britain got

>>386019569
>Fo4
The sniping game was ridiculous, good range and vantage points.
>FNV
The sniping game was ridiculous, the hit/miss system made range pointless and there were invisible walls everywhere.

>>386020846

What a twist.

Heres another cool twist. What if there was a companion that was a super mutant but he was able to hold onto his memories of his past as a human where in predoing war he was a firefighter and he still likes doing good deeds with his fireaxe and saving people from burning shacks. But heres the kicker, he has a split personality like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. By day he stops fires...but by night he starts fires.

Literally groundbreaking.

>>386021348
Hey man, it's not my fault that people sue over everything these days. It's just a fact.

>>386021378
You're meant to just let boone do the sniping

>>386021305
>tfw you hear Kellogg speak though him and think it's going to be a thing now but learn it only happens the once

such wasted potential. who gives a shit about the eddie winters 'find my 10 holotapes lol' quest when we could have some kellogg loose end to deal with somewhere

>>386021404
Isn't that basically both lily and tabitha from new vegas

>>386014741
>haven't had non-lethal combat options yet
Boxing gloves/tape, flash bangs and compliance regulator from NV

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>>386021137
Wrong. Saying a game is dull is subjective. You were wrong literally in the first thing you tried to say and thus have been reported by me
there should be physical consequences for being so immediately and blatantly wrong as you thread like this. Like I should be able to knock you the fuck out until you beg me to stop and promise youll never make such an autismal mistake again.

>>386021501
Why not have Kellogg take over eventually and turns him hostile, so you have to kill him and the real companion quest is rebuilding him, but as a woman

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>>386021536
>and Tabitha

Leo?

>>386021415
sued for child murder because someone can kill virtual pixels in a video game is a bit of a stretch. also video games are protected speech in the US thanks to supreme court rulings so any lawsuit wouldn't even make it to trial.

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>>386020609
>>386020751
>>386020921
>>386021053
You murder children in 3/4 endings in Fallout 4 anyway.
Truly, Bethesda always gives the fans what they want.

>>386008724
The fact that Bethesda doesn't want to do RPGs anymore, but something/someone is forcing them to.

>>386021617
we already kinda rebuild Curie as a woman

>>386021536
Literally Dog/God from the DLC.

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>>386021536

SHUT UP!!!

>>386021694
She's already a woman though
Can you turn her back into a robot for automatron?