Ok, I've this game probably dozens of times but recently

>>385971886
Kreia waa basically the conductor of everything. After Revan you were the next best thing she could use to dismantle The Force.

Just notice the scenes where Kreia and Atton have a conversation. Atton even admitted he was heavily influenced to help you until you've gained his trust and he helps and cares for you out of his on volition.

The black HK units come from a factory that probably was (re)activated by Revan that uses HK-47 (modified) blueprint.

Malak bombarded Taris, not Telos

>>385972409
I mean I always assumed Kreia orchestrated everything but hearing Atris and others talk about it made me doubt it. How much of Katarr was actually orchestrated and used as a means for betrayal, how much of it was just a unforeseeable disaster? Also, Canderous flat out tells Carth in KotOR 1 that Malak gave the order to destroy Telos after we find out the main character is Revan.

>>385972657
>Also, Canderous flat out tells Carth in KotOR 1 that Malak gave the order to destroy Telos

Revan gives order to Malak, Malak gives order to fleet. Seems pretty simple.

>>385971886
Atris leaked the personal information of the Exile that was on the Jedi archives. She might, or not, have been directly manipulated by Kreia to do so. But if Kreia manipulated her to do it, it was recently.
GO-T0 spread the leaked information and some additional information he was able to gather. GO-T0 did this on his on.


I don't belive it was ever said that Revan only created HK-47, or at least that he didn't made plans for more assassin androids.

But I can't say for sure much about the droids and telos.
First because what Atris says is speculation.
Second, because in Kotor 1 it was just Canderous saying that it was Malak who gave the order. Who knows.

But I would say that in general KOTOR 2 tries to retcon Revan as being evil earlier and planning more ahead, instead of just being corrupted by the Star Forge. (For instance, HL-47 says that Revan might have used the mandalorian wars to recruit Jedi and wipe the ones that wouldn't follow him, and what atton says about Revan beliving that the Jedi are the true strenght in the war supports this.)

>>385973751
I'm sorry, I meant that if Kreia manipulated Atris to leak the information, it was NOT recently.

Because Kreia was surprised when she discovered that Atris was in Telos.

IF it was truly the result of Kreia manipulation, Kreia should have planted the suggestion about the time of the end of the war - when she also might have influenced the council to exile the exile. (And then make everyone forget about her).

Then after Kreia is betrayer and Nihilus goes on Rampage, Atris decides to leak the information about the exile to atract the Sith Lords. This is the same purpose of Kreia.

GO-T0 uses this information to create a hunt to capture the exile for his own ends.

Due to this leak of information and luck/the Force, both one of the GO-T0 droids and Kreia were able to find the Exile at the begining of the game.

>>385972908
You're confused. It's canon that Revan had nothing to do with the bombing of Telos. The entire point of Canderous' saying that Revan had nothing to do with Telos in KOTOR1 was to dissuade Carth from being mad at the PC after it's revealed that he's Revan. This was just an oversight in the writing. It's very possible that Malak did choose Telos to bomb because it was a backup world for the Jedi, but it's likely the writers were just trying to make Revan seem super smart and tactical and forgot about Revan having nothing to do with Telos.

>>385971886
>Was it G0-T0, Atris, or Kreia that leaked your personal information around so that the Sith could find you?

I haven't played the game in a few years, but I thought G0-T0 leaked information about the Exile to bounty hunters? I assumed that he picked up the info from Kreia/Atris leak (which I assumed was connected) and then used that to spread it among the criminal underworld in order to track down the Exile. Does he specifically mention the Sith?

>>385975369
That was what I believed, that it was just an oversight. Speaking of Revan being a tactical genius, Kreia mentions that Revan pretty much used the Mandalorian wars, all the way up to Malachor V to create destruction and pain in the force so that he could corrupt Jedi's quickly, and use them to further empower his army. But that's just ridiculous and almost fanfic worthy. I truly do think 2 had significantly better writing than 1 but sometimes I just read what's going on and some things seem too ridiculous.

What the hell happened to Bao-Dur at the end of the game? He just fucking disappears, they even mention this on Telos.

>>385976858
I heard he was suppouse to go to the HK facility and die, but people were only able to restore the HK-47 part of the HK facility.

As with many others in this hivemind, I also enjoy KotOR 2 significantly more than the first. There's no question of that, however...

Does anyone feel that the planets in 2 were just very boring? There's nothing fantastical about them, especially compared to the first game. You immediately get Taris, then there's Manaan, Kashyyk, a Krayt Dragon on Tatooine, everything is bright, vibrant and exciting. In 2 all planets are just very dull, dreary, depressing, and with the exception of Nar Shadaa, very very short. I understand it keeps in tone with the game but fuck. I love the game, but I feel like every single planet is just another hassle to go through rather than an adventure.

>>385971886
restored content mod actually does more harm than good to the game i feel

>>385978249
You're not wrong. Then again I happen to think the only one that was both interesting and properly depicted was Dxun. The rest are either bland (Dantooine, Onderon) or just poorly represented (Nar Shadaa, Korriban).

They never really live up to their depictions, either because the tech wasn't there to portray it (where are all the people in Nar Shadaa) or because they blocked off the interesting bits (tombs in Korriban).

Then again, Peragus and Telos are so shit and take so long, they end up looking fine in comparison.

>>385980818
Dxun itself was boring, it was the mandalorians who made the planet interesting. The only interesting thing on Korriban was Ludo Kresh's tomb. Everything else was boring. I understand they were pressed for time, but it never fails to piss me off that they re-used two fucking planets and made them more boring and empty than the first game. It also pisses me off that Coruscant is probably the most pivotal and well known planet in all of Star Wars with the possible exception of Tatooine, yet we see so little video games including it.

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>>385971886

>Was it G0-T0, Atris, or Kreia that leaked your personal information around so that the Sith could find you? They all admit to it, did they all do it?

CONTEXT:

The originator of the leaks of the Exile's Excommunication from the Order was Atris who had first-hand access to the Trial which in-turn provokes the Republic, Sith and the Exchange to search for the last known Jedi in the Galaxy; the Republic finds him first (i.e never mentions the location however). The Exile recalls that he was staying onboard the Republic Warship ('The Harbinger') that was traveling to Telos to aid with the Restoration Project; the Exchange through G0-T0's leadership hire one of the HK-50 Assassination Model to find the Exile (NOTE: this model is the same HK-50 that slaughtered the miners in the Peragus Mining Facility) which is masquerading as a Protocol Droid to gather intelligence and discovers the Jedi onboard. The Sith use one of their Interdictor-class ship's (after attacking the Ebon Hawk) as a ploy to gain access to the Republic vessel and succeed sending false life-sign readings, this prompts the Harbinger's crew to investigate and leads to an outright massacre by Darth Sion. However, the HK-50 drugs and escorts the Exile to escape on the Ebon Hawk and the rest is history. What's strange is what happened to Revan in this situation, since, it was his ship at the time and it never explains how he escaped and how Kreia managed to stow away on the Ebon Hawk?

>>385981380
Dxun was what it was supposed to be. A moon that served as a staging point and a battleground that has since been overrun by nature. And that is what you get: greenery, angry boars, half-working robots and that one idiot who forgot to charge his blaster. It lives up to the hype, unlike the others.

>>385978249
Nar Shadaa was a great choice thematically, but a terrible one for the engine. Nar Shadaa's big thing is that it's vertical. The Dark Forces/Kyle Katarn series games with Nar Shadaa levels exploit that to the hilt for purposes of good level design. KOTOR 2 is built in the same Aurora fork as KOTOR 1 and neither KOTOR, KOTOR 2, Neverwinter Nights 1 nor 2, nor The Witcher 1 (which is built in its own fork of Aurora) actually handle vertical space well at all. I can't think of a single multistory area that actually loads as a single zone in any of those games.

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>>385971886

>Did she really know what was going to happen on Katarr? Did she really leak that information to Nihilus?

Yes. Atris was the ONLY Jedi Master (only the Jedi Council was aware of Katarr's Location) that leaked information of the Miraluka Homeworld was an attempt to bait the Sith into exposing themselves into an open conflict. Nihilus annihilated and consumed the entire the Planet which increased his power even further. The Jedi Masters Vrook, Kavar, Vash and Zez-Kai-El were already in hiding or investigating other planets during this time-frame.

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going to go ahead and get this out of the way

>>385978249
very much so. It was the characters that made the setting more so than the scenery. Though I did enjoy a few of the touches here and there such as the bar for non-oxygen breathing species

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>>385971886

>HK-50 units claim they were built by Revan after the Mandalorian Wars and had the intention of being used to cripple Republican Fleets but how is that possible?

There's a reason why that particular piece of content was cut from the original release. It's inconsistent with what was already established in KOTOR 1 through Revan's interactions. However, there are theories that suggest that G0-T0 is the original mastermind for the mass-production of the HK-Units that were distributed throughout the Republic Fleet, also there was that unexplained history that HK-47 and G0-T0 in that odd Ebon Hawk cutscene.

>>385984192
G0-T0 being the mastermind behind the HK units was what I initially thought before I played the restored content.

>>385983463
Yes but did she do this because of Kreia's influence or of her own misguided tactical sense? How much of this was orchestrated by Kreia? How much of it are lies Atris says because Kreia made her lie? I recall there being some instances in conversation where if your persuade is high enough she corrects what she initially tells you, and it makes me wonder how much of what she says are well rehearsed lies. I might be reading too much into this, but everything in the game seems so interconnected that it's almost comical to a degree that I can't help but wonder how much of it is true.

Droids like the magnaguard are so overpowered I don't understand why everyone does not have a droid army.