>amazing setting >starts off great with a noire-like detective

>>385921431

they're much better, especially dragonfall

but crpgs are still boring at the best of times

>>385921431

Yes, Dragonfall and Hong Kong are amazing. SRR is mediocre as fuck.

Most people lean towards Dragonfall being the better of the two, but I enjoyed Hong Kong more. Either way, they're both solid games with good stories and gameplay.

They're better than the first one but mostly in gameplay.
Most of the problems you have like the endings and decision making that matters are never really fixed. Also some etiquetes and skills will be outright useless even in the later games

>>385921431
how is the setting amazing?

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well, if you're going into them with this much hatred maybe you won't enjoy them, but both dragonfall and hong kong improved on everything in my opinion
better story
likeable characters
good setting
tweaks to the turn based system
etc

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>Shadowrun

>>385921559

BRUH ITS LIKE... ITS LIKE FUCKING HIGH FANTASY IN CYBERPUNK

>>385921810
I don't think it's as stupid as it sounds

>>385921559
meant the cyberpunk setting, these games are becoming more and more rare

i just wish it didn't have fucking fantasy elements in it like orcs and elves, it's so out of place

it's like having a medieval fantasy gameswhere you can drive cars

>>385921431
Dragonfall is the second best rpg released in the last decade, give it a try
Fnv is the best one

I wanna fuck Gobbit in her garbage pile

>>385922042
i agree

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>>385922050
then eat some expired ramen with her

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>>385921431
They're better, but none of the games get the aesthetic right. For whatever reason, games made in Unity always seem to have samey visual design.

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>mfw the Finnish troll in Dragonfall
Pretty much the last place I expected to find a Finnish character in, they're like unicorns. Only other one I can think of is the grenadier in Silent Storm.

>>385922243
I'd say it's a mixed bag, there are some cool interiors and shitty places, but you're right it got that 'washed out' feel to it

>>385921431
you dum dum, you just payed for a demo. Dragonfall and Hong Kong are the real games.

While taking two cliche settings and combining them is purportedly considered "original", I found the amalgamation of fantasy and cyberpunk to be jarring most of the time. I think the game would have been better had it simply omitted the fantasy elements all together, and that includes all the "occult" stuff that occurs throughout the game; to be hacking through cyberspace one moment and in the next saving ancient dragons doesn't help to form a cohesive setting or atmosphere.

There is also a whole lot of extremely uninteresting text. None of the backstories are interesting enough to warrant a five pages self-biography each time you speak with them. This goes for Dragonfall too.

>>385921431
Dragonfall and Hong Kong are much, much better, they're basically completely new games. In my opinion:

>Returns - 5/10
>Dragonfall - 8/10
>Hong Kong - 7/10

>>385922934
>There is also a whole lot of extremely uninteresting text.

Dragonfall and Hong Kong have great writing for the most part, fuck off.

>>385921431
>combat reminiscent of retro fallout

What? How?

>>385921431
Returns is quite literally a glorified tech demo tutorial for the actual games that are Dragonfall and Hong Kong.

>Actually kinda likes Returns plot.
It does shit the bed pretty hard. But l liked the first half or so when you're trying to solve a murder mystery by yourself.

Dragonfall is one of my favorite games.

>>385921431
yfw Netflix is making live action show similar shadowrun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EZCBSsBxko

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>>385923870
>obligatory trash hip hop soundtrack
>niggers everywhere
>Will Smith

Another fine piece of american entertainment I see.

>>385923870
that's the only reason I'm probably going to watch it
besides having netflix and nothing to do
it's going to be skwad-tier junk but I can't stop loving magic n' guns urban fantasy stuff

>>385924059
So you would prefer them show white slums instead of black ghetto?
Pick your battles anon

i wrote a review detailing how its really bad and killed my desire to play the other games
maybe read reviews before buying and playing

thing was pure trash, mods have done quests better and were more creative. shit played like a low effort NWN module that fucking nobody played

>>385922020
It's a setting where magic exists but technology has also had time to reach cyberpunk levels. What's wrong with that?

>>385924141
Well if it's more like end of watch and training day instead of skwad it'll be great

>>385923401
Isometric, turn-based, options for ranged and melee attacks. It's basically literally objectively the same exact thing!

>>385924471
>maybe read reviews before buying and playing
yeah no thanks, why would I concern myself with the opinions of some brainlet?
I'd rather pirate it or something

>>385921431
They should remove Returns from the store because its everything just hurts Dragonfall and Hong Kong

>>385924630
so youre retarded okay

>>385924802
yes, is there a problem with that?

>>385923112
Hong Kong is the very definition of "quantity over quality."

>>385925694
Some of it, yeah, but there are still plenty of parts that have highly entertaining writing.

100% sure nobody playtested any of those games before releasing

you cannot be creative or test things during your playthrough because you literally run out of money if you hire different people, buy guns to try them, buy extra drugs/medkits. you have to direct ALL your money towards offensive spells, the same 3 hack skills or changing weapons twice in the entire game.
you are punished for "multiclassing" (as if you could call that thing multiclassing) because of above.
balance between etiquettes is a fucking joke and completely meaningless storywise. etiquettes are basically shortcuts and nothing more.
all guns but rifles are weak. all they did in terms of weapon balance on the subsequent games was nerf rifles and buff melee.
you miss +85% chance of hit attacks ALL THE FUCKING TIME on all games. literally artificial dificulty JUST to make terrible sequences last longer (spirit bugs are the worst offenders)
the setting is awful. mixing cyberpunk with fantasy races and magic makes no sense. people who think this is amazing most likely mod AK47s on Skyrim.

>Returns - 3/10
>Dragonfall - 3.5/10
>Hong Kong - 2/10

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Don't listen to these Shadowcuck retards - Dragonfall and Hong Kong are just bad as Returns

>>385927206
I didn't even finish Wasteland 2 I was so bored with it. I got to Hollywood and just uninstalled. I only got that far hoping it would get better.

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>>385927206
Every single thread this Wasteland 2 shill shows up, jesus christ.

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>>385926364
You're fucking retarded mate.

>>385921431
Just play the tabletop. Not 5th Ed though, that shit is a hot pile of garbage.

>>385928812

What's wrong with it?

Did they follow the trend of trying to streamline it into oblivion?

>>385928926
>it's a 3.5 babby

Oh no.

>>385921431
>the plot delves into some retarded prophecy fantasy bullshit about giant spiders and otherworlds
Anon.
That's Shadowrun.

>>385924059
Now now, anon. There are Orcs to project your racism on, no need to beat yourself up about black humans existing.

>>385929497
Those aren't black humans, they're hood niggers.

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>>385929613

>>385921431
its already been said like 30 times but it's worth repeating:

dragonfall/hong kong are fucking leagues better then shadowrun returns. skip right to them if you have the chance.

>>385921431
Dragonfall for the story
Hong Kong for the interface