Is this true? I can't imagine the risk outweighs the

Post proof or it can safely be disregarded.

>>385916471
Tinfoil hat nonsense.

>>385916471
Yes.
NVIDIA cards age like milk.
AMD cards age like fine wine.

>>385916471
it's just effect being displayed properly
nvidia card always miss stuff at the beginning like shadow or some random effect

>>385916575
People actually believe this?

AMD probably does it too, but Nvidia for a fact does it.

>>385916575
This.

>>385916471
proof ?
It's not like you can read million posts on how shitty the new driver is, or download older ones.

in fact, who is using the newest ones ?

alright. so uninstalling my current drivers and instaling one of 2014 drives for my gtx 770 would net me more fps in game, right?

>there's a lot of proof if you look
>doesn't post any of this proof
Typical tinfoilshit.

>>385916471
Proof or fuck off amdigger

Planned Obsolescence is a thing since the early 20th century anon
Don't try to act like it's a recent thing
Fuck light bulb and GM kikes for implementing this

>>385916715
Citation needed. Either post proof or fuck off

>>385916806
it some games it will
because this
>>385916713

>>385916471

>Risk outweighs the reward

Reward: Every single customer has to buy a new $400 GPU every two years
Risk: Some neckbeards get mad and it all gets swept under the rug, it gets completely forgotten about in a few months (see: Capcom including a rootkit in SFV).

Some risk, alright.

>>385916471
how about you research this first you nigger

>>385916715
How would they be able to hide this?
Also, why am I buying a new NVIDIA card if my old one aged like shit? I'd definitely look at other brands.

>>385916471
Yes it is true. You're in the wrong place to ask though. /v/ is full of retarded fanboys and shills.
Try /g/.

>>385916862
>Planned Obsolescence is a thing since the early 20th century anon
indeed, and it's MUST for the economic cycle.

>>385916471
Last time I updated my drivers were when DOOM was released and havent updated a single time ever since. I dont know if that is true but what I can tell that my performance is definitely on par or better than any benchmarks. But I also have win7 with no updates for 2 years so theres that too.

>>385916917
See >>385916938

>>385917016

You're basically locked into the Nvidia ecosystem through the shady deals they make with devs to specifically make their games run worse on AMD hardware.

>>385916471
>/g/ and reddit circlejerks are now "Very well hidden secrets"

My sides

>>385916959
>>385916958
>Demand proof
>People don't post proof
>Yet the thread continues as though there's anything to discuss

>>385916917
>Capcom including a rootkit in SFV
Whaat?

>>385916959
Didn't fallout update add lot of physx (or whatever it is called now) effects?

>>385917090
Now you're just following up a conspiracy theory with a new conspiracy theory. Is there any proof? At all?

>>385917159

I'm not joking, google it. It was removed in very short order when people found out about it.

>>385916938
>How would they be able to hide this?
>what is closed source proprietary software
>what is planned obsolescence itself

>>385916471
>Here's something that would effect literally millions of computers
>but it has never been found out because (insert conspiracy here)

fucking dumb

>>385916959
I have trouble tying my own shoes, what does this depict? Failure rates of cards while playing fallout 4?

>>385917251
Dont you remember the legendary Crysis 2 video where they put some (:a lot) Nvidia friendly effects into the game EVEN TO PLACES INACCESSIBLE BY THE PLAYER?

>>385917346
It's literally just a bar graph for all the relevance it has to posting proof of OP's conspiracy theory

i made that shit up when i said it about amd cards years ago
but yes, it probably is true about nvidia cards anyway

I think some games suffer with this, I don't know if it's their intention or just some lazyness, but when I had a gtx 550ti some games got better with old drives, one of them being dark souls 3.

>>385917327
See >>385917308
Why is it so difficult to imagine that corporations don't have your best interests in mind?

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As far as I know, Nvidia's shader compilation code isn't open, unlike the other companies, so they could very well be doing it but I doubt we will get any hard evidence.

I'd say it's possible, it's common practice after all and planned obsolescence it's almost never punished by law unless it's in Europe, so they have little reason not to do it.

>>385916471
I doubt that. I still have to find trouble playing any recently released game on my GTX660ti.

>>385917251
No they just point to a few instances of devs being retarded.

>>385917423
you didn't make up shit
/g/ has been discussing this stuff for years

I have never seen a nvidia user post that a driver update has helped them, on the contrary I constantly see people complaining that a driver update shits up their FPS.

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>>385916715
YEAH BRA
WHY MY HD 6450 CAN'T RUN EVERYTHING AT 144HZ ULTRA SETTINGS?! FUCKING ROBBERS

>>385916471
Not really.
Nvidia Gameworks screws up the tesselation beyond what is useful, fucking up both AMD and their own older cards

>>385916471
I wouldn't doubt that they do something either hardware related or software related to give it a shorter lifespan but nothing too blatant. Gotta get them shekels

>>385917487
/g/ is also paranoid about people watching and selling everything they do on the internet yet post on a site owned by Hiro.

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I don't think they gimp their cards, they just stop optimizing for older gen cards when they release new drivers.
NVIDIA cards do age like shit.

>>385917473
I'm also using GTX660ti, though I haven't updated the driver ever
But I can only play the latest games in medium settings, so I might change cards anyway

>>385917537
it's more cards running the same games worse over time

>>385917251

I'm glad you asked.

https://hothardware.com/news/indepth-analysis-of-dx11-crysis-shows-highly-questionable-tessellation-usage

Crysis 2's DX11 patch is documented to have absurd tesselation levels for no visual benefit (including rendering an entire invisible ocean underneath the map even on city levels!) because Nvidia GPUs handle it better than AMD GPUs, thus get better framerates at the same graphic settings. Crysis 2 is an Nvidia sponsored game, mind. Crysis 3 on the other hand is an AMD sponsored game and doesn't have issues like this.

>>385917487
literally mad
i was on /g/ exposing the truth before your dick formed, you little shit

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>tfw don't have to care about whether this conspiracy is true or not because I'm not a poorfag pleb
must suck having to run everything on an outdated shitty rig

>>385916471

>theres a lot of proof if you look
>doesn't provide even a single bit of evidence

nvidia is ran by jews but until proof is shown this poster just looks like a tinfoil hat wearing idiot

>goys defending nvidia
yes, keep supporting the company that pays off developers to sabotage AMD performance, releases driver updates that reduce performance intentionally, steals technology constantly and has literally everything they own closed-source

you stupid retards

>>385916471
Lol just use old drivers then?

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>>385917607

>>385916471
Pretty sure AMD do the same and microsoft have done the same with XP when they wanted people to move to vista, last patches for xp made it a lot worse.

>>385917446
That isn't the issue fuckwad.
The issue with this (and any conspiracy theory) is that it gets inherently less believable the more people it would effect.

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I've seen /v/ lying shamelessly about games they don't like just because they don't like them so no, never believe any shit they say.

>>385917607
And new drivers are just programmed to work better with specific new games so some older games WILL run worse. No tinfoil needed.

>>385917607
This. Although I admit they probably do do that with the knowledge that they also gain the fringe benefit of eventually forcing people to move up, and the brand image they've created means someone who had an nvidia card before isn't very likely at all to go red when they upgrade.

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>>385917110
>>People don't post proof

>the post you linked

>>385917770
t.butthurt amd cuck

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>buy new card set up old driver and do a benchmark
>install new driver and do benchmark
>it's actually faster

huh?

>>385917770
>AMD needing outside help to sabotage themselves
maybe if I need to simultaneously have shit performance and cook some eggs on my case I'll switch over to the boys in red but for now I'm fine

>>385917983
t. jew cockslurper

>>385917783
>>385917607
this faggots.

>>385916862
planned obsolescence is designing something that snaps in half 5 minutes after the warranty expires, not releasing an update that makes it snap in half

>>385916471
>Is this true?
if you are gay, enjoy sucking dudes dicks and believe the seth rich conspiracy then yea.
So fucking naw that aint true since the logistics of keeping that quite are stupidly astronomical. Especially with like all those 3rd party/independent tech review sites that exist in abundance.

Like shit the cost of just keeping it all quite and like paying off the people needed to keep it from being known to the public would eat up all the profit that they could possibly make from such dumb shit.


So naw it aint fucking true since if you thinking about it for more than a single second and in a non shallow manner then one would easily see that the shit needed for that type of bullshit to go unnoticed is stupidly impossibly big.

>>385917998
>benchmark performed with a program sponsored by nvidia
???

AMD makes it a lot less noticeable, they just make the new games not launch at all (Nier Automata)

>>385918108
write like a normal person so others can understand you or get the fuck out, monkey

>nvidia geforce update uninstalls itself and shadowplay from your pc
>redownload
>you need to fucking log in with an email address to use it
>download the old version and edit the telemetry out, disable updates in the registry
I'm a big fan of Nvidia cards after the awful shit I went through with some AMD ones. But there's little I wouldn't believe of them when it comes to shit like this.

This >>385917727 is exactly the type of shady shit I'd expect from them.

>>385918140
It's normally NVIDIA sponsored games that are often unoptimized piles of shit that run like ass at launch in my experience.
They even managed to fuck up Andromeda which ran on the fucking Frostbite engine.

>>385918192
Fuck off you fucking whitey

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>>385918108
>this entire post

>>385916471
>Is this true?
>I can't imagine the risk outweighs the reward here.

no unless you are retarded. Since if one thinks about it for moment as a non retarded faggot. Then one would then realize the logistics of it all.

Think of all the 3rd party tech outlets that would need to somehow made to not talk about that shit. And then all the pay offs and shit they would have to do so no one talks. Then they would have to get a shit ton of man power they would need for information control to keep that from spreading and suppressing the people independently reporting and talking about that shit.
so naw since whatever profit they would gain from doing that. It would all and even more so than just that be eaten up by all the fucking shit they would need to do to keep that shit hush hush.

>>385918140
Oh, you mean the thing where if you had a 15+ year old amd cpu it didn't work. Yeah, what a problem.

>>385916471
ITT OP is either posting some half-decent bait or is a "2smart4u" neckbeard who knows everything about anything without ever linking sauce

>>385917962
Ah yes, alas I truly see.
GTX 660 -35 and GTX 760 -30 impressive data, I sure feel enlightened by these numbers.

>>385917727
>>385918303
>what is occlussion culling

>>385918108
What the fuck is wrong with you, why can't you write like a normal person?

>>385918469
It's a similar racket to game """journalism""". There's no overt payola to not talk about negative things, but outlets need to be mindful of staying in Nvidia's good graces if they want review hardware or exclusive scoops.

Far more effective and harder to prove than paying people off.

>>385916682
>>385917607
>>385917783
/thread
NVIDIOTS on suicide watch.

>>385918723
Something Nvidia doesn't use in any of its prepackaged effects.

>>385916904
>>385916575
>>385916826
It's called consumer electronics, a model accepted and not denied at all because it keeps the economy going and it's beneficial for everyone. Just look at what happened to the Model M keyboard, a keyboard so good and durable people stopped buying them after the first one, and they stopped producing them.

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>>385918895
>tfw you never fell for AMD shillposting

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>>385916471
No shit it's true.


Why the fuck can a console run the same games at 30fps med settings for 8 fucking years while a PC with a graphics card can't even maintain those same settings for 3 years?

PC users are getting fucked raw and they don't even know it.

>>385916604

>a company doing something to make people buy more of their products instead of reusing an old version

Fucking conspiracy nut nonsense who could believe such a thing.

>>385919169
>it's beneficial for everyone

How it's beneficial for consumers?

>>385919169
Model M is still in production, actually.

I get what you are trying to say, planned obsolescence and all, but that's due to hardware being designed to fail after continuous use for a prolonged amount of time.
If nvidia cards were frying themselves oftwe two years of use, you would be correct.

There is no hard evidence that nvidia is deliberately releasing patches that decrease performace. There was ONE case with ONE specific card where the driver made performance worse, and it was fixed in consequent patch.

Then there is bullshit with drivers just making the PC crash that is caused by the companies outsourcing their software to fucking India. People who allow this shit to happen should be fired.

>>385916471
>>385919169
>>385919403
But there's no proof, so you're a tinfoil tier retard. How hard would it be to get an old unboxed card on ebay and the same card with updated drivers and run a CUDA or GPU script to test performance? You know why nobody has done it? Because only gullible retards would believe something like that.

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>>385919329
>tfw you never fell for NVIDIA shillposting

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>>385919169

Post the slut in OP's image.

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>>385919701

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Don't mind me.

>>385919549
phone OS updates make older phones work worse. This goes for both apple and android phones, but it's easier to notice on apple products.

Progrsmmed obsolence doesn't come from usage, but rather, the fact that the product won't be reliable for long, wether because it breaks or works worse than before.

Sp NVIDIA updates making older cards go slower sounds like a more than possible situation, but you'd have to be an idiot to not think that would happen to all cards, AMD included.

>>385919781
Thank you.

>>385916471
yes. it's true. they haven't reached android levels yet though. samsung is probably the worst when it comes to planned obsolescence.

>>385919673
Is this it? Is this an ayyMD tard trying to use the "le 3.5!!!" meme in the wild?

>>385917346
https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/more-evidence-shows-nvidia-gpus-losing-performance-32925136/

>>385919909
Since you're playing the same game I though I'd stoop down to your level of shitposting.

>>385919549
>companies outsourcing their software to fucking India
This honestly. More problems than people think can probably be blamed on the company wanting to save dosh and outsourcing meaning you get garbage-tier stuff pushed out filled with pajeet coding.

>>385919829

Actual test with games and fps pls.

>>385920104
>>385919965

>>385920037
The Order and Horizon come to mind, they outsourced 60% of the asset making and animation to Pajeet and it shows, shitload of bugs at release.

>>385920153
That's saying that the AMD card is gaining performance due to optimization on their part.
Don't see a problem here.

>>385919529
>nobody bought it
>stop producing them
>can no longer buy it
huh

>>385920246
>Don't see a problem here.
>Nvidia gimping their own cards through gameworks
>so much a 780 performs worse than a 960 in Witcher 3
Yeah no problem my ass.

>>385916471
I wouldn't know.

I don't update my drivers unless I have to.

>>385919829
Lies
980 Ti is a beast even today, on par to the 1070 & AMD's best

>>385919781
rain drops
drop tops

>>385916471
>Deliberately
It's probably more a result of incompetence and the way NVidia keeps trying to push proprietary things on the software side that end up dated. They get buddy buddy with developers and want them to try out some nonstandard shaders or whatever tech that REQUIRES an NVidia card.

Easy example would be in Star Wars Republic Commando. Released back in the day before UV mapping was more standard. Any ATI card or any NVidia card with drivers not released around that era, and one of the mapping graphics options end up breaking. Without the right card, the game won't run with the "Bumpmapping Quality" set to High.

Since NVidia spends more time striking deals with devs and starting housefires instead of making tech that becomes the industry standard, all of those old things end up broken either in the new cards or in new firmware. As time goes on, old cards end up getting fucked by their drivers and all of the specific nonstandard tasks get deprecated, resulting in what seems like the cards running shitty quicker.

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>>385920837
Yup.
NVIDIA cards are heavily software reliant when it comes to performance. As newer gen cards get released the newer drivers most likely won't support older cards and thus as a result will get slower.
AMD cards don't have this problem because they're hardware reliant and get their performance from raw power, hence the higher power draw these cards have, meaning enginteers don't have to write specific game ready drivers for every game to make sure they run on the card like NVIDIA has to do.

>>385920837
Sure but the raw speed and memory should make them better than new but entry level cards.
A 780 should in no way perform worse than a 960, also because an informed consumer has no reason to buy into the 1080ti meme when you now that if you want to play that cool game that will release in 2018 you'll just have to get the 1160ti or whatever for a third of the price.

>>385919403
What the fuck are you smoking? My 7850 OCed is stronger than a PS4 and still going strong in my brothers computer. And I bought it before the PS4 came out for $180.

>>385920837
Dude, what are you talking about. Republic Commando was released on 2005. UV mapping was already used way before that.

My 7870 from like 5 years ago still works fine. I only emulate PS1 games and shit though. Thanks AMD

>>385920837
Truth be told, their driver architecture is to blame.
AMD rolls out a new architecture every couple years and drivers are optimized per-card. NVidia's approach is more general, but must optimize primarily for the latest generation to show competitive performance. Older hardware will degrade in performance as new features are added to their unified drivers.

The result is HUEG driver downloads and a notable increase in dpc latency with every new version. There's going to be a point soon that NVidia will no longer be able to tweak the same old 8800 for better performance, and will wind up in a situation that requires them to invest in a new driver architecture. A new driver architecture will probably have a negative impact on their market share, as there is a "teething" period for such things and the majority of consumers aren't the most understanding...

>>385919909
900 series was the just last generation, you know that right?

>>385919673
>>tfw you never fell for AMD shillposting
400watts

>>385919169
Its actually called Planned obsolescence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence
If you are going to do your homework do it right.
It begun with bulb lights and affects everything you use today.

>>385921637
>>385921028
>Paying 10 bucks a year more for a card that doesn't age like milk
I never understood the higher power draw meme. It's pretty lame.

>>385918593
I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit

>>385918081
They are planned to expire after a certain period or enough uses, yet they can be updated to expire. Look at printers.

>>385916471
I don't know for Nvidia specifically but yes Planned Obsolescence is a scummy practise that manufacturing and tech companies regularly doo

see: every fucking iphone release where they make an update that makes the older iphone thats not whatever brand spanking iphone 78SGX just released last week run like shit

Nothing has made me realize 4chan is just as stupid as youtube comments as much as these hardware threads do after I got into reverse engineering.

These threads read like that one kid who lied about secrets in video games grew up.

Well the same shit happens to AMD cards. So either they're both doing it or none of them are.

>>385921973
there's gonna be a point where it couldn't possibly pay off though due to rising production costs and falling confidence.

So how do I know which driver to stop updating at?

>>385921840
This.
>tfw stuck in a timeline where your world fell prey to Capitalism

>>385922097
Buy AMD next time.

>>385922136
They were all out of stock or 700 dollars.

>>385921994
The architecture of how GPUs handle information loads change drastically after every generation or so. Games end up being written around these new techniques (hence why exponentially better looking graphics aren't exponentially expensive to render) and within a few generations, old cards end up struggling with newer games faster than they should on paper.

Its also why games like morrowind and dungeon keeper 2 run like complete ass on newer systems.

Its kind of intentional, and kind of because computers will only be able to get so fast with their current design philosophy and thus require hacky workarounds to squeeze a lot of power out of them.

>>385916715
AMD don't even make drivers

>>385919403
? Console games don't get patches. Barring extreme circumstances they function the same at launch as they do 10 years later.

>>385922428
is it 1983 again

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>buying AMD

>>385922428
Now you're just spouting dead memes my friend.

>>385922329
>games like morrowind and dungeon keeper 2 run like complete ass on newer systems.
Dumbasses ITT

>>385922651
>the city of amd

>>385922329
The only correct post itt. You anons really need to read up on computer architecture and low level development schemes. GPUs are some really advanced shit in their own right, let alone their software interface and how they interact with games.

>>385922508
Consoles have supported frequent arbitrary patching since last gen anon.

>>385922651
AMD BTFO!!!

>>385922739
>only correct post itt.
>is the most factually incorrect

One-eyed man leading the blind over here.

>>385922651
there is no going back from this

>>385922739
see>>385920837
>>385921028

>>385922834
Absolutely nothing in it is false.

>>385917783
Novideo on suicide watch

>>385919781
>think "who is this goddess"
>first imgur album result is "Ashe Marie is a goddess"
Must be the truth

>>385922651
>tfw that one extra frame doesn't matter cuz when AMD gets the 84 FPS, it's more consistent in its frames than novideo

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its usually shitters with 8+yo hardware complaining about how their shitbox doesnt work. get more than 6gb ram 3gbvram you fucking shitters

>>385917839
>Pretty sure AMD do the same
My AMD card is almost 10 years old and still runs everything but the very newest graphic-intensive games.

>>385923079
AMD are the ones who have the problems with micro-stuttering

>>385916471
I'm still playing on a 580 (nvidia) with little issue.

>>385922924
>nothing is false
The introduction was layman's middling nonsense and both examples and explanations were false.

>games like morrowind and dungeon keeper 2 run like complete ass on newer systems.
Meanwhile, 200+ fps in both games on a 960 and modern i7

>and kind of because computers will only be able to get so fast with their current design philosophy and thus require hacky workarounds to squeeze a lot of power out of them.
Meanwhile, operating frequencies hit a hard cap, murdering Moore's Law, but we've been chasing MOAR COARS for the last decade. That is the current design philosophy: parallel computing and massive multitasking with shittons of threads. We're not going to see a limit to that anytime soon.

>>385922921
That second post you linked is so fucking retarded it hurts. GPU and "raw power" do not mix. Not in the fucking slightest.

Your GPU isn't worth shit if your driver can't properly distribute operations in an intelligent manner. The difference between NVIDIA and AMD these days is so miniscule game performance will pretty much always walk evenly between the two unless they are utilizing libraries produced from either corp... which almost always ends up being the case.

>>385923459
So according to your logic the reason AMD cards age better is because they have better drivers/software that support older gen cards?

>>385916471
Whos the grill

>>385923765
>>385923042

>>385916959
I remember this. They added some new effects to the game for Nvidia gpu but in typical Bethesda fashion it was unoptimized and caused performance loss more than it should have. They fixed it soon after though.

>>385923378
You don't even know what a GPU is to the point that you think it was ever anything but a self contained microprocessor cluster. There is 0 reason to exvuse only 200 FPS on morrowind considering the extremely low amount of operations required to render a scene.

Were you expecting a detailed writeup of how instruction distribution algorithms have changed over the past 2 decades? I would absolutely love to get into it with you, but the 2k char limit and me posting from my phone make it difficult to capture the change in priorities from brute forcing everything and relying on hardcore occlusiom culling to save operations to runtime caching.

How do i get more grills with thick thighs, thigh highs and pantsu on?

>>385923659
They age better because they don't. Each generation is completely different and how they age is unpredictable. The 6xxx series aged like dogshit.

>poorfag yuropeens trying to shill bad hardware
drivers

>>385916471
need the picture of the girl in high resolution
thanks

>>385923901
>runs like ass on today's computers (opinion)
vs
>runs buttery smooth @ 200fps (no vsync) with no loading screens on today's computers (objective fact)

hurr durrrr

>>385916471
NVidia does not intentionally make their older GPUs slower. What they do is stop optimizing their drivers for the older cards, so they eventually fall behind. Kepler is now a fucking joke, Maxwell isn't far behind.

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>>385924116
>Violently sucks Jew cock
>Is a Burger
Yup. Checks out.

>>385924198
>What they do is stop optimizing their drivers for the older cards, so they eventually fall behind.
It's worse than that, see >>385921264

Might not be intentional, but it's definitely active sabotage.

>>385916471
Well cell phone os use more and more resources with every next update and with hardware staying the same your phone just starts to lag.
That said, I don't think gpu manufacturers would risk that when lazy developers overbloat system requirements for their shitty games by not optimizing jack shit.

>>385919781
How is she so perfect?

>>385923901
>only 200 FPS
Then it's a good thing he said "200+" and not "only 200" you fucking turkey.

>>385916471
Yes this is true i am a big souls fan and had a gtx550 which is not supposed to work with dark souls 3 in any fluid way.. i deinstalled the nvidia driver and installed the oldest i had and i could play through the whole game on ~ low settings with 25-40 frames.. with the new driver i could not play at all... The reason i myself was shocked and tried a older driver i still had saved was because for the reason that this is the card i played crysis on very high a decade ago and crysis looks miles above ds3. So its true, all of it and fuck nvdidia for it these fucking cunts.

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free hardware when

>>385924553
which btw brings me to my actual point too crysis is still to this day considered a moderate to good/high looking game yet with the cards that people used in the past to run crysis with 30fps on high or even very high cant run games today that OBJECTIVEL look much worse than vanilla crysis on medium~high. This is fucking bullshit and a scam.

>>385924553
Thanks for providing some actual evidence anon, even if you type like you're 12 years old.

Ah, another desperate AMD shill thread for the day.

>>385924198
No Kepler just had no more headroom for improvement. It aged pretty bad unlike the r9 2xx series. Also the r9 2xx series looks like it aged well due to the fact the r9 3xx series is a literal rebrand of the 2xx series so whenever AMD released drivers for their 3xx gpu like a 390, that same driver would be optimized for the 290 as it's the same gpu. In the case of the the 380, it was a rebranded 280x which in turn was a rebranded 7970 ghz so whenever they released a new driver for the 380 it would trickle down 2 more gpu generations. The Polaris architecture is very different hence why the older AMD gpu seemed to have dropped off a bit from driver optimizations. Probably time and budget related.

The Maxwell architecture is still going strong today as it hadn't aged badly like Kepler. People who are on 970s are still running games very well today and when overclocked it matches a gtx 1060/rx 580. You couldn't say the same for the gtx 770 when Maxwell came out.

>>385924553
that's because the gtx 550 can't render everything correctly with the old driver hence why it works better

>>385924720
its obvious that burger speak is not my first language

>>385916471
No they don't, they would be sued if it was true

>>385924173
200 is running like ass, do you have no concept of context?

A high range 7970 paired with a mid range processor ran XCOM EU at 120+ frames in 2012. The fact that a modern high end GPU paired with a top of the line processor isn't getting over 1000 frames is precisely the fucking point. But you've been so brainwashed by 60fps that you have completely lost all sense of scale, so tripling that makes you completely blind to the fact that it runs like dogshit. Because, once again, you have no sense of the hardware that drives your computer, just buzzwords like 60fps, 4k, HDR, FLOPS, megatextures and so on. It's how I fucking know you're a dumbass with no business talking about how hardware works, because the only context you can think in is in relation to exponentially more computationally expensive video games.

I debug this shit for shits and giggles. Morrowind is me cherry picking because it is NOTORIOUS for being a poorly written piece of shit. Do you know how much waiting time it spends between frames checking for arbitrary comparisons tbat will never return true? THOUSANDS. And why? Because its renderer is utilizing old hacks in GPU hardware that limited how many recalculations it'd have to perform between frames. Hacks that do not work anymore.

It always cracks me up when people try to portray AMD is an innovative company.
In reality most of what they do is copy the competition a year to two years late while slapping a "Free-" label on.

Go look at the specs for any two competetive Nvidia and AMD cards. You'll see the AMD one is a lot more powerful. Then look at FPS. You'll notice they're roughly the same in most games. Nvidia accomplishes this with better driver support. Everything is optimized. Fast forward to the end of driver support for the cards. Nvidia is now well behind whereas the AMD card can still just push through with raw power. This is of course not possible for Nvidia because they sell way more units. Driver implementation costs the same for 1 GPU of 1 million GPUs, but better hardware is a per unit cost. Likewise it's not cost efficient for AMD to do it Nvidia's way.

>>385924878
maybe.. maybe not, fact is with a updto date driver i couldnt run the game ~5-10fps and with a old driver i could 25-35 fps.
Its basically feels like locking you out of modern games so you have to buy a new card.
I dont think its also only a thing with gtx 550 but i dont have any experience with other cards that got gimped later wen the new gpu line is announced.

>>385925041
>he posted from a 64 bit system running dual channel RAM
AMD innovates plenty, just not in the gaymen GPU field.

>>385924998
>200 is running like ass
>getting over 1000 frames is precisely the fucking point
You do realize many games have limiters in place right?

>>385925141
>why doesn't my 7 years old entry level card run modern games
>it's not fair!
ffs

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>>385925042
So what you're saying is Nvidiots are dexfags?

>>385925279
it does run the game ..just only with a old driver that you cant get anymore thats my fucking point.
This card was running crysis on high~very high while stumbeling around like a drunk for DS3 give me a break dude.

>>385925191
Morrowind does not.

Also please come back to me when you're getting 200+ on dungeon keeper 2 outside of an emulator. If you can even get its renderer working properly.

>>385924998
>isn't getting over 1000 frames
Because everyone just LOVES coil whine.

>>385925141
why would you have a gain of fps otherwise it's just that it doesn't render thing correctly or at all
and why would modern game be optimized for old hardware though
you're asking games to hold back on graphics even more ?

>>385924998
Above 200fps average for a single-threaded game is really impressive single-core performance, anon. At launch, we were lucky to get even 40fps average in Morrowind at 1024x768 on better-than-modest hardware.

Computational power has increased markedly and it's plainly obvious to anyone who knows what they're talking about. Yes, we've hit a ceiling in single-threaded performance, but no, we're not resorting to hacky work-arounds to improve modern software for current generation hardware. We're just going parallel. There's nothing spectacularly complicated about multithreading.

>>385925646
>GPUs dont age well because of thing, here is a real world example of another thing that this causes
>nuh uh because that is wrong, it does not fit in my limited viewpoint of thing as end user
>your experience as end user aside, it objectively is real and caused by thing, and manifests as this
>well maybe I want that to happen so you're wrong!!

There, did I water it down enough for you, or are you going to continue to fight against the objective reality because you really have no fucking clue what the hell you're talking about?

Or are you just going to continue to throw strawmen around to perform damage control because you REALLY have no knowledge on the matter in the slightest?

>>385926375
Shut the fuck up retard

>>385925765
what is soooo hard to understand my card managed to play a better looking game then a decade later a worse looking game came out but isnt working anymore with the up to date driver... but works fine with a old as fuck driver you cant even get anymore for some "reason". The only one holding stuff back is nvidia by accident or deliberate cause the new cards that sweet 1080 needs to sell.

>>385926375
Hey, I like making completely made up greentext conversations, too.

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>>385923295
I have been noticing micro stutter since 560ti, I don't think it's exclusive to either

>>385926707
but you're comparing 2 games on totally different engine ?

>>385925865
1.) CPU threading has nothing to do with render times.
2.) Multithreading isn't a magic performance increaser and has actually very little performance gains in most contexta (esp. W/ video games)
3.) There is no such thing as a GPU using only a single processor. Software like video games has no control over how GPUs work, only software like drivers and specialized bare metal utilities do. A single GPU processor is worthless. Theres a reason you GPU has thousands upon thousands. Thats the entire point.

A single processor can't even perform scrolling with simple 2d graphics without extreme hardware tricks like what early consoles used.. The whole development of graphics chips into self contained computer clusters was specifically to enable large amounts of computationally simple operations to be performed.

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>>385925382
crysis isn't a good looking game, people use resolution to hide it's hyper basic graphics technology

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>>385926787
>hey I enjoy making completely made up greentext conversations
>me too!
>great! want to fuck at my place?
>only if I get to wear this
>...
>fine

>>385927026
>CPU threading has nothing to do with render times.
CPU performance does, ergo threading can improve it. Single-threaded games can only run as fast as one core in your CPU can send instructions to your GPU. If EVERYTHING happens on one thread, that single core becomes the bottleneck.

>>385926787
This is literally what you did. I gave a summarized reason why GPUs age quicker than they should on paper, explained another effect this has in relation to video games, and you shit your pants and didn't grasp what I was saying at all because you don't understand a damn thing besides some warped fiction derived from a misinterpreted layman's explanation that was taken from a corporate presentation targeted at gamers in terms they can understand, but not within a greater context.

>>385927529
No it does not. You realize you can hijack a process and trigger render interrupts arbitrarily, right? And that in less than a blink of an eye your CPU is running millions upon millions of cycles?

Most games do not have enough going on to warrant use of multiple threads. You also do know that there is a performance cost to using more than ons thread and core right? Data takes time to consolidate and in pretty much 95% of video games, less than 50,000 out of the millions of operations a single thread is capable of performing will be taken up by said video game. You're just adding more and more cycles wasted as threads sleep waiting for data to distribute, be modified and return.

>>385928296
You really don't understand a thing about serial operations or computing hardware, anon. I'm surprised you're still trying to lecture anyone.

>>385916471

Who is the girl ?

>>385919781
Please tell me that's a guy.

I tried installing latest nvidia driver for a Gt 730 last month (the page said they still support 7xx series) but after several crashes as well as stutterings, I rolled back, switched to ver 340 and it worked like a champ. That seems to be more of a optimization issue tho

>>385928548
You realize threads and cores cant magically be read instantaneously, right? And that its horribly slow to throw that data around?

Have you ever even bothered to look at what a compiler spits out when you feed it a multithreaded program? Ran through it line by line and counted cycle times?

Have you ever even debugged a videogame old or new to see what the CPU's actual function is in that specific game?

With the rise of physics libraries and hitscan being offloaded to the gpu, processors are doing less and less, and at the end of the day you're still limited by CPU control unit bottlenecks, as well as data transfer speeds (slow slow slow).

Games lile Dwarf Fortress, Aurora and garrys mod can all benefit from multithreading, but games like Fallout 4, Battlefield 1 and Call to Arms cannot.

>>385916604
Planned obsolescence is a very real thing, and has been since before either of us were born. Think about it, why would you make a product that lasts longer, when you could make one that lasts "long enough" so the consumer will go out and buy another instead? It's just business.

>>385919169
Keyboards don't get software that tests their limits. Graphics cards do. When new games with higher system reqs come out, the people will buy. Grandmas not buying a GTX 1080 either way :^)

>>385916471
I have GTX 560 and was true for only one game - Dark Souls III. With new drivers it ran with sloppy unstable 30 fps, dropping constantly to 15 during combat, with release drivers (version 314), it went up to smooth 50 fps. It is not the case for other games, though.

>>385916471
Personally thought it was odd that my card was having issues playing the same games ive been playing for years, with an update.

figured maybe the update had issues, kept getting newer updates, and yet still no improvement.

now its been a year, and i no longer know which driver id have to roll back to, but i can see this as being true, as i never play "newer games" on the same GPU, i pretty much stick to the same games for years, before i really ever change to new ones. (and usually have a new PC by then)

>>385930727
EDIT to this post, I remember my GF having AMD GPU back in the day, and just how fucking long it lasted, even on newer games, while I was updating to a newer GPU with nvidia.

Thought it was odd how many generations back it was, and yet running games at rather high settings, even on newer and newer games. (from 2006 to 2014)

Where as mine was like a potato on games roughly 2 years later, even thought it ran games better than hers at the time.

>>385924130
This

>>385916471
Apple did it first.

>>385916986
Fuck, everythingwas a better place when we were picking berries, perhaps grew some crops.

>>385923101
how good are those? want to upgrade from 660 to one of those but ive heard the 6gb version is the way to go.

I have an old ass laptop with a GT 750m with the latest drivers and games still perform the same.

>>385932582
you wouldnt be able to notice if a 750 much less 750m is running bad, as a computer with no graphics card woudl run the games the same with onboard graphics...
At least look for an X60+

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>It's a very well hidden secret
>a lot of proof if you look
Next you're going to tell me time is a cube...

>>385918108
>quite

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>a grand total of 2 (two) competitors
>their only concern is faster gpus
>implying they can't both get away with whatever the fuck they want otherwise

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>>385918108
>dudes dicks
>yea
>naw
>aint
>quite
>like
>like
>shit
>just
>quite
>like
>naw
>aint
>you thinking
>stupidly impossibly