Does the trend of forcing dual wielding for one handed weapons

>>385885941
Yes actually. It's retarded.
"If I have two swords I do more damage!"
No you don't you fucking retard.

HEMAfag here. It's infuriating.

>>385887925
>HEMAfag
go away, you ruin everything.

Was duel wielding a good/optimal idea in Skyrim?

>>385888007
Fuck off with your rule of "cool" bullshit. You look like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

>>385885941
The only thing more infuriating than the prominence of dual wielding in games is that it almost always tends to be objectively superior to wielding a single weapon mechanically for the following reasons:

1) 2nd weapon increases total attacks or attack rate
2) 2nd weapon directly boosts attack power
3) Double misc equipment bonuses (Example: If weapons can give attribute modifies like +STR)

Dual wielding is basically fantasy cancer.

>>385888232
You know I'm right. Enjoy your spear games, homo.

>>385888162
it's okay, but there's no incentive to only use a single handed weapon alone
if you're not making a warrior sword and board type, and you're not using magic, there's no reason not to dual wield
more importantly, and annoyingly, is the backstab restriction to daggers

>>385888394
Different anon -

Spears are the King of Weapons and irrelevant to this topic as the games that allow you to dual wield spears can be counted with a single hand.

>>385885941
so this is what runescape looks like in 2017 huh

>>385888582
>there's no incentive to only use a single handed weapon alone

i personally like carrying a torch. i feel it adds something comfy to exploring caves

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TWO!?

>wielding two swords when you could be wielding one sword two handed

>>385888753
that's fair

>>385888797
This is some DnD rule lawyer shit.
>So what I'm reading here says monkey grip applies to falconry.

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>>385888862
>Wielding a two handed swords with so many superior polearms to choose from
at least one handed swords can pretend to be useful as domestic dueling weapons for the type of idiot that picks bar fights and wants to settle it with a fight to the death

>>385885941
Two swords nigga, twice the slicin' an dicin'!
Stab two niggas at once!
Stab the same nigga twice!

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>>385885941
dual wielding? please

+ Two swords, son
+ TWO FUCKING SWORDS
+ Shank two niggas at once
+ Shank one nigga twice
+ Shields are for pussies
+ Bitches be all over your wu-tang sword style
- Shields ain't actually for pussies

>>385885941
Dual wielding 1 handers is pretty trash tier. It requires so much work and provides very little offensive benefit but hinders your defense drastically so that you have to continue these "blade dances" to keep your opponent off guard.

1 hand and a shield offers much more protection and equivalent offense.

>not dual wielding 2 Maces of Molag Bal for double the rape

>>385888385
This is the problem right here. I'd love to play a game where wielding a single one handed weapon is viable, but it's never the case. If you're gonna have a short sword in one hand you might as well double up on stats/damage and put another one in your other hand or defense it up and put a shield on. Maybe give the single one handed sword an advantage like higher critical chance and hit chance or something.

>>385885941
"duel wielding" would be fucking useless irl and would be good way to get your ass killed

CURVED SWORDS!

>>385888162
>>385888582
Dual wielding was alright only on easy and normal, higher difficult and you would get shreded by any mage or dragon.

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>dual wielding
>not quadrouple wielding
figures you fucking plebs cant understand more = better

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>>385890345
Please.

>>385889704
KotOR did this, I don't remember how viable it ended up though.

Honestly though I mainly like games without dual wielding. It should be removed from most games, it looks dumb and rarely improves the combat.

I'd much rather the Bioshock/Dishonored system of having your right arm hold your primary weapon and your left use magic or a secondary weapon.

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>>385889708
I guess the 14th century never happened.

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>>385890421
*blocks ur path*

I did some fencing in college, and the thought of using two blades simultaneously is ridiculous on its face. It would be like using a pen in each hand to write two letters simultaneously. It's just not viable. Holding some kind of weapon in the hand you aren't using could be useful for the rare opportunistic strike or if you get disarmed, but you won't be using it like characters in rpg's do.

On top of being inherently stupid as a concept, it also sucks because of what >>385888385 said.

>>385890740
a man with a shield and a longsword would destroy any faggot using those

>>385889036
lol my zwei will trim the tips of your sticks, pikeman.

If done right it can be tons of fun, problem is that it's almost never done right

The games that handle Dual Wielding the best are those that give a massive accuracy penalty and treat the second weapon not as additional additive damage but as second, separate attack within the same time / turn as a normal one handed attack. This makes it a gamble (possibility of doing significantly more damage in one turn or missing partially / completely with both). If you're not the gambling type, you stick with the one handed for more reliable and consistent accuracy and damage.

>>385891034
So you're coming at it from like a D&D perspective eh?

I love that while in generic fantasy RPGs dual wielding has basically no downsides, but in D&D its mostly shit unless you have some way to stack a ton of damage on iterative attacks.

It would be cool if you could use a one handed weapon in one hand, then with the other you can punch and grab people and shit. Like they are busy watching the sword, then bam you sock them in the face.

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>>385887768
sh-shut up! Th-that is how it works exactly!

>>385885941
dude, I want to play short sword / shield roman style and agressive but game tend to think I am defensive because I have a shield and a short sword.

>>385890916
Well it was actually used with a rapier which was the utter bane of anyone with a longsword. The idea was only another long, poking weapon could touch them because muh area denial poking range, and the trident allows them to control an incoming spear or other rapier better than a shield would.
The end result was mostly getting raped by arrows so arguably it worked well for what it was supposed to do, but you can't very well cut projectiles out of the air so shield wins hard there.

>>385889182
he still has two free hands for two more swords

>>385891501
>putting swords in your hands
How stupid can /v/ get?

>>385890345
he even uses his feet in the anime

>>385891501
but if he held swords with his hands, how will he throw up hip hand signs and flip people off?

>>385891569
>the anime
DIIIIIIIIISNEEEEEEEY

>>385885941

gee bill...

>>385888385
Dual wielding should only barely increase dps
It's main function imo should be applying on-hit effects faster, the trade-off being far weaker defense

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>>385885941

I feel the same way even as someone who occasionally likes to dual wield
I often wish there was justification for a single weapon setup, something like needing a free hand cast spells / use items / grapple

>>385890898
You do understand that some people are perfectly ambidextrous right?
There are people that can write with both hands on different pieces of paper, there are people that can do that and have the things they are writing be the same except one hand is writing it upside down

>>385891246
Yeap. The game I most fondly remember Dual Wielding in is Baldur's Gate 2, with stuff like the Flail of Ages, Celestial Fury, Angurvadal, Blackrazor.... huge chance to miss, but the bonuses and potential make it worth while and much more interesting that simply adding extra damage with no downside.

>>385891970
Too bad none of those people pioneered irl dual wielding

>>385892134
[citation needed]

>>385891970
>You do understand that some people are perfectly ambidextrous right?

name some that became famous warriors for their dual wielding prowess. There's basically none in history.

>>385888162
Eh, sometimes, but it's better to either go one handed/spell, one handed/shield/, magic, or bow.

Two-Handers are for easy diff, and people who RP.

>>385891728
There really should be multiple mechanics, depending on your setup:

1. Two swords = huge accuracy penalty but potential to do say.. 1.5 damage (or more depending on str/dex stats)
2. Mainhand sword / off hand main gauche: slight increase in over all damage, but large chance to parry
3. Two blunt weapons: extra damage to enemies susceptible to that type of damage (i.e., skeletons, since hitting them in a vital area is not as important as just wildly bashing any of their brittle bones)

Theres probably a ton of other interesting set ups depending weapon type. Its a shame devs don't go into this kind of detail.

>>385892254
Miyamoto Musashi

>>385892254
Literally 1 second in google.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niten_Ichi-ry%C5%AB
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miyamoto_Musashi

>>385891369
>Wields two swords
>Cannot figure out how to put cheese and lettuce between two pieces of bread
>Fired from Starbucks for playing mind-games on customers

Silly Lloyd.

>>385892186
>Some people are capable of magic!
>Too bad none of them became wizards.
>UHH, CITATION NEEDED BRO.

>>385892254
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimachaerus

>>385892254
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatka

>>385892805
Gladiators were the WWE wrestlers of their day. I wouldn't take their showmanship gimmicks as proof of viability in a real combat scenario.

>>385892993
I'm fairly sure that if the loser in a WWE match actually died most of the time they'd dedicate themselves to fighting well too

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>>385885941
sup

>>385890345
Your minmaxed quadwielding dex build gets shit on by basic force cantrips, try again.

Why is it that Shields usually end up underpowered in most games?

I understand that most people want to have TWO weapons, or ONE BIG ONE, but goddamn a shield is both a defensive armament, and CAN be used to bash with, depending on size.

Moreover, good luck deflecting arrows with a sword outside of Wuxia-tier RPG's and shit.

>>385885941
Become a game Dev already

>>385885941
They want the Kirito audience.

>>385893090
Gladiator deaths were rare. It cost good money to train one and nobody would bother if the turnover rate was too high

>>385893468
too often Shields are "boring" if they're not underpowered,

this is because there simply aren't the right control systems for shields

though that is also true of duel wielding.

though duel wielding does sort of work in something like arkham asylum or shadow of mordor where it's mostly just flashy animations and QTE's and you're not directly controlling sword/dagger movement.

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>>385893468
Instructions unclear, prease confirm.

>>385892993
>>385893090
>>385893663
true, they'd usually bulk-up and have a bit of fat so they could get cut and bleed a bit (think of when you bleed when shaving), they might've also had bloodpouch/bladder things they could use to help in this regard.

>>385893916
>think of when you bleed when shaving
Thanks for the input, Michael J Fox.

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>>385885941
I don't feel so. If it's not trying to portray an authentic historical experience, then I don't see how it's a problem. Espicially in fucking Skyrim of all things, where combat is a M1 bore not mat what weapons you want to use. Honestly want to see it in more games and let devs get a little zany with it.

A better argument would be a one-handed weapon is a poor, underwhelming exeperience or a shield-play has bad mechanics (which it often does).

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>>385893468
Because characters are limited to using traditional shields. They're not so bad when you can throw your shields.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l3wOT9cSg4

I think it can be really cool sometimes. In a world where there's no magic and no superhuman feats then I'd say no, but in something like the Forgotten Realms where people can become so strong that they can lift mountains then go right ahead.
Like, if someone's superhumanly strong and fast then there's 0 reason why they couldn't dual wield weapons as the normal rules wouldn't apply to them.

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>>385885941

Sword in main hand and magic/catalyst in offhand is the best combination.

>dual wielding swords

retarded

>duel wielding maces, slamming together like fucking bellhammers to get psyched up for combat

awesome.

>>385893468
Because most fantasy fighting game mechanics revolve around entirely statics 'hits' being applied to a target.

In real life a sword+shield fight is as much an awkward wrestle while you attempt to get a lucky nick in than anything else.

>>385898729
What about dual-wielding axes.

>>385898880
Edgy.

>>385898880
Good for berserker types.

>>385891970
And there are some people who fought their way through history with a custom fight technique based around headbutting, doesn't mean headbutting should be the top means of dps playstyle in most/all rpgs.

>>385898729
>not dual wielding giant turkey legs

LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1gQylJPFfM

>>385899312
>doesn't mean headbutting should be the top means of dps playstyle in most/all rpgs.

SAYS YOU

gimme a game where you run around equipping spiky helmets and headbutting evil into submission. The final cutscene has you being hospitalized for brain damage.

>>385899431
I want a game that features full contact combat. I want shield bashes, headbutts, shoulder tackles, along with normal sword combat.

Name me some games where you can tri-wield
Potentially impossible mode: No One Piece

>>385885941
Yes. Everyone wants to do gun-kata but devs don't implement it because they are faggots.

Duel wielding ruins video games, realistically.

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>>385885941

>>385885941
Off topic but it's weird that Skyrim looks nice in some ways but in others it looks complete ass.

>>385900732
Is that Fate Zero?

>>385899718
You can quad wield with a certain class in bravely second. More weapons instead of a helm/armor.

>>385898450
The fat guy with a beard looks like a youtuber that I can't remember the name of.

>>385900742
Like most things in TES you can practically physically see the time they put into some areas and the lack of time they put into others.

Emphasis gets put on one element and the rest suffers. Of course that focused element is what they put in all the advertising so by then you've already been duped.

>>385900797

No dumbass, it's Wolverine.

Read the fucking filename.

more games need spears and less retarded anime duel wielding shit

>>385893090
Good things gladiators rarely died

>>385901349

Nigger, have you even seen Spartacus?

RIP Andy Whitfield.

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>>385900732

>>385901283
i'd love to see more halberds and spears in games. but they just don't look flashy enough for normies.

>>385901776
It's not that they're not flashy, it's more that the game mechanics are often so shitty that the only thing that tends to matter is damage because there's no depth to anything. Slapping spears into that context pretty much would make every other weapon type obsolete.

>>385891970
If you think you're only using your arm and not your entire body while fighting with a sword, you are probably some degree of retarded.

Are there people with two bodies as well?

What really bothers me is when you can only attack with one at a time. So if you have the same two weapons equipped it's the exact same thing as just attacking with one over and over.

>>385892721
I think I remember him being able to cook something else more difficult decently

especially if it has to do with lots of meat

remember the dude was raised by a DWARF

not some pansy elf

It's a V pretends to know about real-life fighting episode

>>385888385
I think it can be done if you think of it like:

1H:
>precise
>higher base damage per hit
2x1H:
>lower hit rate
>lower base damage per hit

KOTOR handled it quite well with Dueling vs Two-Weapon fighting, though it didn't give a damage penalty.

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>>385904608
>V

>>385892741
>brainlet doesn't know how to use magic
I don't even know why /pol/ bothers recruiting from this place if the faggots here can't even cast basic spells

>>385892541
>Japanese warriors
>actually good at anything
look samurai and ninja are cool looking and all, but they were still some short niggas that wouldve gotten rolled by other powers of the time. They just have the ornate armor, legends and all that other flavor to make them seems better than they were.

>>385889704
kotor did this and it worked out pretty well. late game though dual wield started to outclass it since it was a static damage increase vs one that scaled.

>>385885941
Could dual wielding+leather armor be the master of combo of every universe?

>>385888162
Not really. 2handers hit harder, cause more stagger and allow you to block.

Dual Wielding daggers has theoretically the highest dps though if you abuse enchanting.

>>385899718
Bravely Default

>>385888162
Only once you had all the perks+maxed elemental fury so you could shred things to pieces.

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>>385887768
Heh... this is what beginners really think... pathetic...

>>385890521
Kotor uses DnD-like rules so that's where that comes from. Neverwinter Nights uses similar rules.

>>385904517
Some games give you additional attacks or a higher attack speed when dual-wielding.