>In Defence of Metal Gear Solid 4 what does it need to be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHcBWQZ90SA video related

>in defence of ________
Already all the red flags for contrarian arguments

>don't understand expressions and figures of speech
>get mad at crappy youtube videos

Can't wait for him to make a video to shit on Melee.

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>Codec team from MGS3 is Illuminati
>EVA now the surrogate mother for Les Enfants Terrible
>Big Boss, despite being burned on screen, was reconstructed from Liquid and Solidus and used as a biometric key for the Patriots
>World class biologist Naomi Hunter is now a world class computer scientist
>Patriots experiment on Raiden to make him a cyborg despite having that technology in MGS2
>Forced romance between Otacon and Naomi because why not make Otacon a tragic figure?
>A literal joke character is now a key figure
>8 hours of cutscenes
>Two chapters of actual gameplay
>Act 3 is an abomination
>Raging Raven is the worst boss in the series
MGS4 was and has always been trash, also reminder GamingBritShow has zero credibility.

>>385856850
What did you expect from the same retard who considers RE6 one of his favourite games.

>Resident Evil 6 is a good game because it's Cuhrayzeee!!!!
Can we just admit that cuhrayzee fags are the Jojobronies of video games?

>>385858069
I thought it was Souls/Bourne babbies

>the brit platinum fag
I can already see it
>well the game's story is crap and destroys everything that the series built until then
>but setpieces were so cool guise
>10/10

>>385858069
But nigga RE was always about the CUHRAZY and over the top action.

Just look at RE1 and how you shoot pale naked dudes with rocket launchers and shit.

Hella fuckin SICK.

>>385856489
Yeah, you hate them so much you'll make a
>549 replies and 57 images omitted. Click here to view
thread about them. Fuck off with this self-advertising

>>385857370
>figure of speech
he's literally defending MGS4 from criticism you retard. Who is the one mountng the criticism I have no idea, I've never met anyone irl who disliked MGS4 and is a fan of the series.

>>385858069
>PRESS X FOR LEON TO CONTROL THE HELICOPTER

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>>385858539
>I've never met anyone irl who disliked MGS4 and is a fan of the series.

>>385858362
>he didn't like MGS4
how fucking contrarian and autistic about the storyline do you have to be to be like this? I've never met anyone who disliked MGS4

>>385858718
>spends this much time on 4chan
maybe leave your echochamber of contrarian opinions and meet people irl

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>>385858774
MGS4 has always been the laughing stock of the series, the hell are you talking about? I'm starting to get the impression that you're GamingBrit now.

Jesus christ, nobody should ever use the words "Defending MGS4" in a video. Not because of reasons like "It's so good/bad it doesn't need/should never get defense", but because of how MGS4's decisions make one big metanarrative about Kojima's hatred for continuing to make Metal Gear Solid.

http://metagearsolid.org/reports_mgs4_soldout_1.html

>>385856489
Stop making threads about yourself, Charlie

>>385858718
>>385858891
Not the one you're repliyng to but I've only seen a lot of disdain for MGS4 on /v/, it's critically acclaimed from pretty much everywhere otherwise.

>>385857864
>reminder GamingBritShow has zero credibility.
I agree with most of your points but how do you get credibility

>>385859354
this^
I'm not even inclined to argue it, I've only seen these opinions on /v/ and "youtubers" pandering to /v/ like gamingbrit, and funnily enough these guys also have the sme opinions about all the others, especially Peace Walker which I don't dislike but /v/'s the only place where I've heard people call it their favourite.

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>>385859725
Well for one you could not defend RE6 and MGS4. I'm less inclined to entertain someone's twenty minute videos when they have demonstrably bad taste.

>>385857662
Not going to happen. If anything, he'd use it as a springboard to shit on Nintendo.

>>385858069
I'm a so called "cuhrayzee" fag and RE6 is a fucking terrible game.

It's poorly designed on almost every level, even the 'saving grace" Mercs mode is a fucking joke when you realize the scoring system is completely broken with counters.

>>385859985
I guess. But if he has opinions you agree with then that would raise his credibility.

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MGS4 is a good game

>>385860194
Yes, credibility is subjective.

>>385860153
When did people start calling RE6 cuhrayzee?

MGS4 as a game is okay. MGS4 as a sequel to MGS2 is a fucking disaster. People only like it because it's Metal Gear and ironically only really hate it because it's Metal Gear.

>>385860459
>Yes, credibility is subjective.
My point is that him having two outlandish opinions (which are probably his most controversial ones) that you disagree with doesn't remove his credibility if there are several other opinions he holds that you do agree with.

>>385860419
Nobody is debating that. MGS4 is incredibly well made, just crippled from conception

Remember the time that Gamingbrit appeared on podcasts with the Horseshoe Crew, and made a podcast talking about the current state of Square Enix with Keg Standard?

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>>385858069
Honestly I didn't mind it until he said that the scripted loads of hogshit that were the final bosses were perfect
That's beyond retarded

>>385860840
what do you mean

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Reminder that the writing went to shit after Tomokazu Fukushima left

>>385861073
Does the name "Pro Crastinators podcast" mean anything to you?

This guy tried to argue ratchet and clank had anything more than an excuse plot. He's a hack.

I love ratchet and clank by the way.

MGS4 has the perfect MGS gameplay.

too bad there's more cutscenes than gameplay.

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>>385861301
>MGS4 has the perfect MGS gameplay.
*blocks your path*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFEDjB-lyaQ

Podcast where Gamingbrit gossips about FF15

>>385861301
>Spend a lot of time showcasing the "REVOLUTIONARY" factions gameplay where you can manipulate the battlefield to your advantage
>it's used a grand total of twice in the whole game

>>385860627
Make that three if >>385861291 is true, he seems like a contrarian for the sake of it to me.

>>385861301
This, from all MGS games, it had the best gameplay
Fuck MGSV's open world shit and faux weapons
MGS4 had the most satisfying guns and armory of all games, no R&D bullcrap that made you wait to get the gun you wanted, you want that rifle? GIT GUD at playing the game and use your xp points to get it and have more fun
The M4BR16 was the shit though, good at any distance the game could render and fucking cheap to trink out

>>385861637
Oh I wish it weren't true
https://youtu.be/3kD_QhYgIA4

>>385856850
While we're on the subject nothing flares my petty spite more than these "video essays" with needlessly pretentious titles, especially when the content therein is just inarticulate rambling.

>>385861291
So you completely ignored every other complaint about the remake and went on a Chinese fly fishing forum to pretend he didn't have a single valid point about the story in the original game? Feel free to point out where he said it was deep or philosophical, life-changing, I'll wait.

MGS4 was fun to do the Big Boss Emblem.

>>385861912
I didn't say the remake was faithful or any good or whatever you cocksucker.

But nice little strawman.

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>>385861775
>A grown ass man spent 90 minutes ranting on a kids game because it's nothing like the original

>>385859314
This.

MGS4 literally only works if you interpret it as a meta-narrative and a continuation of MGS2's themes. A critique on the obsession we have with sequels, fan-service and answers. Stuff like Snake being old, the B&B being combinations of old bosses, Shadow Moses falling apart, Meryl hooking up with Johnny and generally just stupid retarded answers to questions fans had. A kind of giant deliberate meta sabotage.

MGS4 at face value is fucking shit and anybody defending it is a dumbass. Even the gameplay isn't that good with it's dumbass alert system.

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>>385861636
Were you really able to manipulate the factions in MGS4?
I remember Hal tells Snake that you can get exploit both sides to fight each other instead of attacking you, but could you actually do it ingame?
I remember trying to either holdup or QCQ knockout one of the militia soldier, but he didn't react at all. I assumed that the game wanted the militia to be your "good guy allies" and the PMCs were the "bad guys" and you could only harm them

I lost all interest in him when he honestly thought RE6 was better then 7

He's heavily biased to anything that comes close to being curazhee

>>385856489
It's garbage and anything this faggot says is invalid.

Worst MGS by far.

>>385863698
MGSV exists and is worse.

>>385863826
No.

MGSV was extremely disappointing but is far more benign than MGS4.

MGS4 is actively harmful to the series as a whole and painful to play.

MGSV is just nothing. Biggest thing it did to harm the series is retconning MG1 which is nothing compared to the travesty that is 4 in every way, including gameplay.

>start thread about why this faggot doesn't need to "defend" mgs4
>entire thread's anti-mgs4 aspies saying there is no defence for the game
you missed the point of the thread retards

>>385863826
don't even try arguing with these people, they've spent years having their opinions reinforced on /v/

>>385863826
How do you figure that?

>>385863947
MGS4 is at least a good MGS game at its core, despite the horrible story. MGSV is a boring, empty open world game with an MGS skin over it.

>>385864046
>shit cutscenes
>half the time non-existent lead voice actor because they brought in A-list celebrity
>shit disjointed story

>>385856489
it fixed MGS2 so you got to give MGS4 SOME credit

>>385857864
>Patriots experiment on Raiden to make him a cyborg despite having that technology in MGS2
cybersuit =/= cyborg

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>>385863974
>People only dislike MGS4 because they browse /v/
This is literally the Other M of the Metal Gear franchise, do you understand there being legitimate complaints surrounding the game especially coming off of MGS1-3?

>>385862267

A grown ass man spent 90 minutes ranting on a kids game to make YouTube money.

>>385863947
>MGSV is just nothing
I'd argue being nothing is actually worse.

>>385864350
Well I wouldn't.

If I could I'd erase MGS4 out of existence, I hate it that much.

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>>385862267
A grown ass man spent 90 minutes ranting on a kids game because it's not edgy anymore

>>385864305
>do you understand there being legitimate complaints surrounding the game
yes and I've heard them al (only on /v/ mind you) ad they're really autisticly hypersensitive. They're not illegitimate but they're nitpicky in how trivial they are in overall presentation. I even prefer MGS4 over 3 even though I've replayed mgs3 more and would be happier replaying it today

>>385860459
>When did people start calling RE6 cuhrayzee?

the people who only gave a shit about mercenaries mode because they claim that the story does not allow you to "fully experience" the horrid gameplay

>>385856489
This guy defended Resident Evil 6 and said the N Sane Trilogy's graphics aren't objectively better. How can he be taken seriously?

>>385864393
Despite everything MGS4 did I still think it has a place in the series.

MGSV really shouldn't exist considering what it is. Which is nothing.

>>385864083
>MGS4 is at least a good MGS game at its core, despite the horrible story.

Yeah, and MGS4 is like 80% story.

Meaning it's 80% horrible.

>>385864441
R&C was edgy? I know later titles get kinda dark but wasn't the new PS4 one a reboot?

>>385864174
>shit cutscenes
Yes because MGS4 is the epitome of quality cutscenes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD3St2PLtp8
Still don't know how Kojima got away with this.

>>385856489
MGS4 was awful, a bad third person shooter with a bad cringey fan fiction tier story.

The music and graphics were amazing though,

>>385864836
He didn't. That is the worst fucking cutscene in the game.

>>385864836
>Johnny
Fucking hell, it's like a repressed traumatic suddenly surfacing in my brain.

>>385864581
No. He said that the original is worth preserving for it's limitations and placement in history. Certain elements couldn't be replicated with a remake, which is why he prefers HD remasters to full on remakes. Does anyone on /v/ actually pay attention when watching opposing arguments?

>>385864836
are you kidding? Complaining about corny in Metal Gear Solic?
I fucking hate newfags who only got into MGS because of 4chan. It's painfully obvious.

>all have the same opinions on each game
>complains about trivial shit
fuck off

MGS has terrible story and great gameplay aside from the first game. MGS4 was a great GAAAAAME. Story was shit, but you can press Start to skip the cutscenes. Since 2 the story has been retarded and if anyone tries to say that Raiden experiencing puberty is a great plotline ignore and report them. Even 3 had retarded story. When you see Volgin he introduces himself like a Power Rangers villain. It has cool spy moments though, and that's fun. MGS has great 'regretful, pained hero' plot. MGS4 has great 'aging hero' plot. All four games have retard bullshit 24/7 though, just accept it. They're great games and you can't criticize them for having stupid stories because you'll never make a single game that can compare to these even if you had the money and power. Settle down and stop saying triple A games are bad because it's popular to say that.

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>>385865514
>Defends MGS4
>Calls other newfags

>>385866073
>Doesn't understand the post-modernism of MGS2
>Doesn't understand the intentional campiness of MGS3
>Doesn't understand the ageing senile screenwriter metaphors of MGS4

GamingBrit is literally just Average /v/ Post: The Channel

His RE7 "critique" video was him having to begrudgingly admit he judged the game way too hastly in advance and then mostly talking about how it just doesn't "feel" right. While on the other hand dicksucking RE6 so hard that he actually tries to pass off the obtrusive set pieces/QTE's as a good thing because "they're just so entertaining!"

His personal bias for or against things is often so bad he can't even form a coherent opinion.

>>385865514
It's not a problem that it's corny. It's a problem that its corny and it's trying to be serious. Almost none of the other corny stuff in MGS has taken itself seriously.

Avoid British gaming channels

>>385866161
>unironically missing the point this much
>not being able to have an opinion of your own without it being connected to a board consensus
this is why I think you're newfags, and even if you're not you've just admitted this is a board consensus issue

>>385866475
>Doesn't understand the post-modernism of MGS2

just because it predicted the future doesn't make it post modern

>>385867003
fair enough but this scene isn't enough to have a negative opinion of the game. It's so benign and inoffensive.

>>385867185
It's post-modern because it's a commentary on itself and its medium, told in a way that could ONLY be done with MGS2.

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>>385867185
>While encompassing a broad range of ideas, postmodernism is typically defined by an attitude of skepticism, irony or distrust toward grand narratives, ideologies and various tenets of universalism, including objective notions of reason, human nature, social progress, moral universalism, absolute truth, and objective reality.
MGS2 is literally billed as the first post modern game. It uses the medium to create a narrative in a way could only be done with said medium.

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>>385856489
>Implying Charlie isn't literally the exact definition of a /v/ oldfag

>>385867291
>it's a commentary on itself and its medium

expect it was not. It was just a case of false marketing that a bunch of people attached themselves to just to make themselves feel smart.

and now they are pissed because a cannon sequel destroyed all of that.

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>>385867087
this

>>385861465
I'm sorry but base management shit completely ruined MGSV and PW for me.

>>385867239
I never said it was. I'm not even the same person. But I do think that a culmination of moments like this and the game playing its fan-fiction-tier, mostly complete trash writing as something deep do make it a pretty bad game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neAOruo0OrQ
>RE6 is better than REmake
Was he right lads?

>>385867403
>oldfag

He's like 20 or some shit and probably only started browsing this place within the last few years.

>>385867403
>oldfag
>liking MGS4
>liking RE6

Then again I guess being an oldfag these days is being here pre-GG.

>>385868701
Of course not.

RE6 deserves like 90% of the hate it gets.

>>385868990
>Implying RE6 and MGS4 weren't /v/core before the /v/eddit invasion