If you had the choice to pick up XV or XII remaster, which

>>385825737
12 all day every day. Ivalice is the better setting, story, and the party in 12 is far far better than the one in 15.

12

>>385825737
After finishing both easily XII and i don't even like it too much compared to other FFs, but XV is jsut straight up early access and needs a few more years

XII

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>>385825737
There is no Final Fantasy XV

twelve

Already played XV so id go with XII.

Probably suicide. They're the 2 worst games in the series

XII with the exception of graphics, better in every other area

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12 is better in pretty much every way.

Get XV only if you prefer Ubishit open-world games to RPGs.

>>385825737
12 people give it more shit than it deserves for some reason

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>>385826086
>"needs a few more years"
>11+a few

Neither one of these games ended up being close to what they were originally planned to be, which is a shame since I think they both had really high potential

>>385827278
>Vaan and Penelo exist
feelsbadman

XII. And it's garbage, but at least it has a niche, the people who don't like Final Fantasy.

I liked being comfy on a road trip, but fantasy star wars with a shitton of grinding and min-maxing makes my dick hard.

>>385825737

XV. XII only if you prefer having no attachment to any characters or the world.

XII is finished. XV you're better off waiting on a Complete Edition in a year.

>>385826912
Your stupid post doesn't really change anything

>>385825737
Got a plat in the 12 remaster and I've never played 15

I'm pretty interested in the XV co-op

>>385825737
FFXV if it was a complete game like FFXII is.
Not a 35% finished early access strawpoll mess bro simulator trying to please everyone one at the same time but succeeding at none.
So FFXII, because even though Yazz got trashed out it's still a great game with beautiful visuals and a lot of content.

>>385825737
Depends. What's different in 12's remaster?

>>385825737
Probably XV because I'm very familiar with XII. I would say both are worth playing.

>>385831153
Zodiac job 2/char, no more random loots, no more stupid restrictions to get zodiac spear, kind of boss rush mode, no more magics channeling so the whole spellcraft has been fixed and rearranged OST

XV
I've already played 12 on the ps2 ages ago and the story was a let down I see no reason to slog through again.
15 would at least be new to me.

Of course 12, it's not even a fucking choice.
>Matsuno will never make another game

>>385825737
15 is so boringgggg. I can't play the rest of it. It's so dang, dry and empty.

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Man what the fuck is up with Squenix?
Aren't they aware their game needs huge additions in storyline, gameplay and everything that isn't just open world jerking?
I haven't played since release, watched just now their last "big" updates...
>chocobo festival
>regalia can now go off road
>added new dishes
>new frames for your utterly ugly screenshots

How can you be so incompetent? So they actually have zero desire to finish their early access mess. Fuck.

When will we get a new decent Final Fantasy or realistic/more mature JRPG if Squenix can't be arsed to fucking do their job?

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>>385825737
both

anyone who says XII vanilla (license baords, no jobs) is better is a fucking contrarian faggot with either nostalgia googles or trying to fit in on /v/ by talking shit about the most recent game (right now XV)

Zodiac system fixed so much shit, and now in glorious HD.
XV wasn't a bad game by any means, the only thing against it being that it is too different from the rest of final fantasy games to be comparable and thus creatings the most amazing amount of shitposting sustained only by what nobody recognizes as merely personal opinions (like saying "what is best, legend of zelda or adventure of link?")

>>385825737
I only bought 12 because it came with a T-shirt, I haven't actually played it yet. Should I bother?

>>385831804
This and I was hyped as fuck.

>>385832158
>additions in gameplay
please elaborate

>>385831795
He's currently working on shit for final fantasy 14, I think it hits in October

>>385831804
>boringggg
>dang
>dry and empty (wharever the fuck that means)
do you believe in shilling faggots?

XII:ZA even though it's baby mode XII

XV
I played the fuck out of XII back in the PS2 days.
Picked up Zodiac Age and replayed it and it honestly felt like the same fucking game with just the job system so I quit pretty early.
I only did a quick story run of XV so there's a lot still in that game to explore for me.

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>people STILL talk shit about XV as if it was the second coming of atari ET

jesus fucking christ, the game is out and it was great you faggots

>>385825737
12 easily.

I don't want to suffer through 15 ever again.

>>385825737
XV was so fucking boring. Combat was basically hold this button or that button. Story can suck my ass.

12. I was very disappointed with 15 and I honestly feel that it's not a good game. I beat it and I likely never play it again. Not even for all the content they added and definitely not for the dlc. 12 ZA is great and I'm having a blast.

>>385825737
Picking up the new Dragon Quest instead.

>>385832302
It's obvious FFXVs gameplay is lackluster, the special moves are pathetic, camera is shit, teleportation is appaling, summons are a joke, weapons feel shallow and switching types is barely useful, elements have never be so useless. They're also working on DLC episodes to implement each character with their own gameplay, to make them playable, at last. This shit should have been there day 1, and there's a huge lot more to add.
How can a 2004 game (KH2) have such a better gameplay? Even going the dragons dogma path they fucked up everywhere.
Even little things like jump/pick up items is so stupid...

>>385825737
12, because 15 looks like a gay boy band.

12 has judges and the empire. The setting is just too cool.

>>385832706
Or maybe people talk shit about it because it fucking sucks.

>>385832947
I don't agree with none of what you've said except summons being bad

>>385832916
>tfw still haven't started learning Japanese
I need to stop being a piece of shit and start today. I need some DQ right now.

>>385832947
Man this post reminded me off all the problems I had with 15. God that game was serious garbage.

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They're both pretty close in terms of quality. Flawed but with some high points, a major reflection of Square-Enix since their inception.
You know what would be fantastic? A more balanced version of XV's combat with XII's gambits.

>>385832947
KH2 gameplay was fucking garbage

nothing but physical attacks, which, by the way, were just SPAM X with retarded pirouettes and acrobatics worked well with the added PRESS TRIANGLE TO WIN all the time, you were given trillions of game breaking shit that required absolutely no skill on your part (limits and fusions) and were completely unnecessary. Magic was fucking pathetic and did nothing

if that's your standard then no fucking wonder you are sound retarded

Oh yeah, XV's character's were the worst in the entire series

>>385833490
>when II, III, VII and VIII exist

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Why not this one?

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>>385833843
Fuck off retard.

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>>385833428
>SPAM X
>PRESS TRIANGLE TO WIN
>limits and drives were unnecessary
>magic was pathetic and did nothing
you forgot to add summons were useless to your bait's check list

Between XV and XII:R? XV on principle. Is it an unbalanced, unfinished jew fest with episodic DLC? Yeah, but at least it's an original product.
Nothing against XII, of course, but this port is fucking bullshit, especially with the history behind its development.
I enjoyed both to an extent, but they're both games are pretty bad and not worth replaying

>>385833908
ah summons
another word for gimnick fusion
I've known dozens of people who beat the entire game n hardest difficulty without ever using them

>>385832706
At least that shit heap E.T. was done in 6 weeks without teasing shot for a decade.

>>385833935
>the history behind its development.
what do you mean

>>385834072
the second coming of daikatana then

>>385833428
I'm just referring to the hit and dodge part, which is way faster, more immersive and visually compelling.
FFXV's magics are grenades and your limit breaks, even the strongest ones like the Gladio's lvl 3 don't even have particles, visual effects, etc...
How is this even imaginable for such a huge game?

>>385834225
>"it doesn't look well (subjective as fuck) so it is garbage/it is worse"

yeah no, its not even true

>>385833428
>magic
>worthless
just because you sucked doesn't mean it did

>>385825737
12. Fuck 15

t. bought deluxe editions of both games

>>385834591
after having destroyed kingdom hearts on the ps2 with a magic build I tried doing the same on kh2
it was fucking shit. Spells didn't do crap damage and it didn't matter because you ran our of mp faster than maradona ran out of coke. The game is not to be played with maining magic and that;s why in it going full physical with zero tactics is easy as fuck modo

>>385834856
>magic build
This isn't fucking dark souls. The games might just not be for you, doesn't mean they're bad

>>385834981
did you just miss the part of destroyed kingdom hearts 1?

>>385834214
More like Duke Forever

>>385833885
It's a cute game alright, kind of a pokemon game a la FF.

>>385835252
third

>>385835326
what is it about?
how does it play?

>>385835154
No, but that wasn't because of your "magic build" MagiC is OP in KH1 no matter what and in KH2 you have to at least use most things unless you're talking about normal mode or some shit in both games then you shouldn't even talk

I played FFXII after XV so I have no nostalgia for 12. 12 is by far the better game.

>>385825737
>been playing XII at 4x speed the entire game
>50 hours in and only level 40
Does 12 have the most content of any FF?

>>385835538
point is, KH2 battle system is casual garbage hidden behind stylish QTEs and fancy movements

>>385835538
Lmao just spam x and triangle while having second chance and leaf bracer and your literally invincible if you arent a blind dog

>>385835753
Actually it's the exact opposite of that :^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc8hrXyG1xw

>>385835732
I got plat in 45 hours. You need to stop idling

>>385835732
it might as well, not countring the MMOs, of course. Even if it isn't my favorite I got to give it to it

some of the side content is fucking tedious shit that some people might not like, but that's why its optional content.

>>385835893
>45 hours
How? Were you 4x speed the entire game and never talk to NPCs?

>>385836135
Yeah I 4x sped through most of it while idling a little for rare game and such and I did all side quests aswell. I have played it before on PS2 but the game is way different that it didnt help me that much

>>385835861
mashing X is the most used strategy by people not only because its easy as fuck but because IT WORKS

none of the points he brings matter shit. Its like saying "you shouldn't use only hard punch in this fighting game even if spamming it and nothing else makes you win 99% of fights"

>>385835753
Not when 95% of those "QTEs" are optional and you can do them whenever you feel like it to get out of certain situations and shit

>>385835861
Fuck those cancer comments
>ummmm bbbbut play lvl 1 critical!!!!!!
Fucking kill yourselfs holy shit. I could name any random self imposed challenge on any easy game and then say its now a challenging game. KHfags are the worst

>>385835893
>you need to play video games without doing anything else until you finish it
I'm on the spectrum but not that high.

>>385836386
I spammed X against the first Axel fight and was stuck forever though

XII cause I already own XV

>>385836430
why the fuck wouldn't a person do them

>>385836518
lmao

>>385836590
Because not all of them deal damage why the fuck would i do all of them

>>385836493
45 hours ingame time autist. I try to never leave my consoles on when Im not playing it

>>385836470
It's not self-imposed at all. It's only possible because the game is designed for it.

>>385836470
holy shit, this

have you ever heard of anyone having to use such retarded arguments for games like ninja gaiden or touhou?

>>385836590
>lmao
Not an argument
Show me how you just mash X through the whole game, even on normal

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>>385836714
>not leaving your console and pc on 24/7 so you can go on either instantly when you get up

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>all these people getting angry at a disney OC kids game
>doesn't even have anyhting to do with OP

>>385836695
because there isn't a single fucking one that isn't benefitial or not detrimenial save for that one boss

>>385836809
I'm not arguing with you, I'm laughing at you
stop being retarded


jesus christ, KH2 fans are the worst of creatures

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>>385836817
>not growing up with a terrible single mother so you matured rapidly and then you became frugal to a point where it doesnt really matter but your autism still doesnt let you waste anything

XII no questions asked. XV was a piece of shit through and through. Poorly put together and already poorly conceived at the conceptual stage.

That said a true XV/Versus without mongloids in charge and executive meddling would leave XII in the dust.

>>385835861
>video posted makes the point that "mashing x works just fine"
>entire video is dedicated to shitting on how badly the game is designed when presenting options to the player and how the game doesn't give reasons to use any of what it offers

did you just BTFO yourself?

>>385837179
>That said a true XV/Versus without mongloids in charge and executive meddling would leave XII in the dust.
This right here.

>>385837278
You just skimmed it, didn't you? The point is that a deep battle system is hidden underneath the surface because of the forgiving easier difficulties, that it never gets a chance to shine until you play it on Critical mode and you're forced to learn it to succeed. This is the exact opposite of being casual garbage hidden behind stylish QTEs.

Of course trying to preach this to someone who played through the game on Beginner difficulty is pointless.

>>385836791
Not trying to defend KH here, but doesn't that mean that Ninja Gaiden is basicly the only series (2 games) in which you can't just mash one button?
Cause that appiles too 99% of games if we just apply lower difficulties like we do with KH

>>385837992
which the original PS2 version did not have. None of the good shit the guy in the video talked about ever existed in the original game so in its prime, the version that everyone and their mother has played in the west, it is fucking shit with no redeeming factor

its fucking casual garbage, enjoyed by the most cancerous fanbase on the internet right besides minecraft and undertale. You are the one who didn't listen when he critisized how flawed the game is and instead warped your perception "h-he is actually saying the game is great!" and are akin to the retards on the comments that this guy mentioned >>385836470

>it has a deep battle system underneath
and zero fucking reaons to use it

>>385838314
problem is that in KH2 it also happens in the highest difficulty
Know what other game has the same problem? senran kagura 2. It has an amazing cuhrayzee system but is gimped by the basic combo being too good and few enemy variety (most enemies do not have enough health to make cuhrayzee comboing rewarding enough like in DMC, although the same could be said of sengoku basara in that aspect) although its case is nowhere near kingdom hearts 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwvh7OaGMME

>>385837992
>end of the video
>"despite critical mode and data fights, the game gives no reason to give the possibilities of its combat and never gets a chance to shine in normal playthrough"

>>385827520
underage faggot detected or just retarded

>>385840586
>implying underage faggots aren't shitting on XV just to try to fit in

Zodiac Age > XV > Original XII

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FFIX remake with 3D backgrounds and fixed camera angles when

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>>385832158
>Aren't they aware their game needs huge additions in storyline, gameplay and everything that isn't just open world jerking?

Neither of those guarantees a good game, though. We saw that with 13 which was in many things a polar opposite of 12.

>>385841405
9 is the worst game only liked by hipster faggots so likely never.

>>385841405
>fixed camera

Never because this became anathema at some point for no real reason. Is rotating the camera around your character that important? Turns out it is for a lot of people. Although really, problems with fixed angles and scene direction always had more to do with 3D being new at the time and pre-rendered backgrounds being a limitation.

>>385825737
I already have XV, so I guess I'll get XII Remastered.

>>385842064
I miss fixed cameras. They were also great in games like MGS.

>>385842053
I've noticed that all criticism about IX are not real complains and are just on the vein of "its fans are X or Y" spouted by retards
kill yourself

>>385825737
Having played both for the first time this year and getting platinum on both I'd say I'm more willing to play XII again.

Playing XII made me realize why people got so fucking made at Square for making the XIII trilogy. I mean I still like the games, i just get it now.

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>>385825737
I wonder, is FF12's story received better today with the the Zodiac Age release? Back in the day you had a lot of people coming from FF10 while FF12 was going for a different approach.

>>385833103
But FF 15 has interesting setting too. They just forgot to explore it.

>>385825737
15 because I emulated the zodiac version already.

>>385842750
a lot of kids and teenagers who played X are now older so anything's possible

>>385842750
Every FF gets hate because a lot of FF fans are obsessed with whatever game they started with and hate anything that deviates from it. 10 introduced a lot of people to the series and they still fellate it to this day. I consider it low tier personally.

>>385843418
I'm one of those who fellate it

however, I don't talk shit just because of any other game, much less of those I haven't played

>>385842064
I dunno man, God of War was pretty okay with it.

>>385844553
god of war III was 7 years ago

the original for the ps2 was 12 years ago

>>385825737
XII all the time.

XII is the best Final Fantasy!