>Less refined, however, is the story, which isn’t quite

reviewers are retarded, what else is new

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>>385770265
>At its core, the game delivers what matters most: well-designed gameplay

I see absolutely nothing wrong with this statement.

>>385770265
So, do you agree with KingK?

>>385771035
did you ignore the rest of the post thinking you were funny?

>>385771223
What'd he say?

>>385770265
I don't see what's wrong this statement. All he's saying is Prime doesn't have much to offer in story outside of textlogs.

Actually I praise Prime for the sense of dread and isolation, something I can't even get in a zombie game like L4D

>>385770265
I don't see anything wrong with this.

I like the logs, but they don't make the plot of "cool space dudes find magic juice" much more compelling.

>>385772073
I don't really think Prime 1 has dread outside of maybe phazon mines

echoes is the one full of dread

that said, metroid dread fucking when?

>>385770265
he's not wrong

Full review:

http://ew.com/article/2002/11/22/metroid-prime/

>>385770265
Perfectly reasonable for a review targeted at the mainstream audience who might not be familiar with Metroid.

>>385771678
OP got the quote from KingK review of MP2, where he praises it for half an hour and says it improves on Prime in almost every way.

>>385770265
>uses lock on as a crutch when even n64 fps didn't need it
it's trash. i knew it then and it's still true.

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>>385772160
What if Metroid Dread was Federation Force all along?

>>385772845
we've seen shots of dread it isn't

>>385772748
it's not an FPS

>>385772748
It's an FPA, not an FPS.

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This is a preview of OoT from 1998. Some reviewer played the game for 48 hours and still didn't beat it.

It was even the epithet for the cover of the magazine that month. "48 hours in Hyrule!"

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>Don;t read the logs
>Why am I fighting this spider thing in a radioactive hole?

>>385773129
I could definitely see it happening

>>385773129
To be fair, back then 3D was such a novelty still, despite starting in 1995, the scope of OoT was huge at the time. Many of us back then, I'm sure, spent much more time exploring every nook and crany of hyrule instead of just rushing through the story. I know I spent like a year or 2 exploring everything and anything.

>>385770265
>Focusing this hard on a video game's story
Sounds like this "games critic" should have been a cinema critic. I will never understand why people get into video games for the narrative. Go watch a fucking movie or read a book; stop shitting up the industry for the rest of us who are actually here to play games.

>>385773129
>Some reviewer played the game for 48 hours and still didn't beat it.

Honestly, back in '98, I probably put that much time into the game before beating it, too.

>>385772908
No we haven't.

You got pranked.

I remember some dumbass on G4 back in the day saying he didn't like Prime because it had "too much backtracking". Vidya reviewers have always been stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7jghvDhQ28&feature=youtube
Was he right?

>>385770265
Those who aren't willing to look for story won't find it.

>>385773297

He wrote 2 sentences about the story. I can't believe you got so triggered that you felt the need to type that garbage paragraph out.

>>385773892
based off the title alone, yes

>>385771035
>fps with loads of platforming and backtracking with one analog stick
>well designed

>>385775802
it's not an FPS

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>>385775802
>FPS

>>385775802
First Person Adventure.
It's basically Zelda in first person and in space.

>>385770265
And yet Gone Home does almost the same thing and gets fucking universal acclaim.

>>385772845
other m was dread

>>385776874
Dread takes place after Fusion. Once SR sells 2 million copies, they'll green light Dread.

>>385776956
>Once SR sells 2 million copies

RIP dread

>>385776956
>SR selling 2 million
It'd be lucky to sell over 1 million if I'm being honest

I got Prime the past week for 8 bucks
Not sure if I like it compared to the others I have played

>>385773129
Well sure, if you play OoT now, you'll probably breeze through it in like 30 hours. But when it's your first proper 3D adventure game and you have no context of previous 3D Zeldas to inform your playthrough, yeah, 48 hours is about right.

Playing fucking trilogy with the wii controls is much of a pain to me, i feel pain in my hands after just 1 hour. If metroid prime 4 don't allow you to play normally i will put a dick in Satoru Iwata grave

>>385777648
It's literally like a Mouse controls in any FPS on PC, why is it a problem to you anon?

>>385773129
First, did he play it for 48 hours or did he have the game for two days and played it off and on?
Second, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised about not beating it in 48 hours. I probably spent 20 hours on it just fucking around and exploring

>>385777648
never hurt my hand in the prime trilogy

hunters destroyed my wrist though

>>385777648
Weak wrist faggot. I bet you'd suck at Tennis.

Games journalism has always been retarded shit and if you weren't underage you would already know that.

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>>385777839
Just the wii remote...It is not confortable to hold that thing for long. It is different to a mouse, with a mouse you can just sit and relax, with the wii remote you have to put an effort to move your arm while holding the thing.

>>385770265
What? It's right. No one played MP for the story they played because of the game.

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>>385771587
>Metroid Prime
>Good story

Yeah okay buddy.
Good game none the less though.

>>385778191
I did

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>>385776089
>comparing reviews from 2002 to reviews from 2013

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>>385778363
>He didn't read the datalogs

>>385778191
reminder they screwed up synchronizing the symbols to the hand gestures

>>385778112
I fucking love tennis, let's have a match and we will see if you will stay with that argument

>>385778443
answer me this faggot, if the crater is totally sealed off by magic or whatever, how did metroid prime get in there? pirates were clearly playing around with him in their base beforehand. is he even a metroid?

>>385775854
>>385775889
>>385775925

First person game, primary verb is 'shoot'.
Just because it isn't CoD doesn't mean it isn't an FPS.

Metroid Prime's story isn't anything special.

Its method of storytelling is.

>>385778630
Shooting isn't your primary goal. It's exploring and adventuring.

By your logic, Zelda is a hack and slash then.

>>385778630
troll or retard, you decide

no one calls zelda a hack and slash

>>385778191
I thought that was pretty widely known and understood.

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>>385778560
>he didn't read the datalogs

>>385778746
Zelda is a fucking hack and slash you moron

>>385778521
If you can't handle a wiimote you can't handle a racket. Stick to ping pong.

>>385778873
It is an adventure game, much like Metroid.
Exploring and puzzle-solving are the main goal.
The sword is just a tool to not get killed.
The Arm Cannon is just a tool to open doors, attacking enemies come second.

>>385778873
>Zelda is a fucking hack and slash you moron
No, DMC3 is a hack and slash. You could remove all the enemies from Zelda and it would still be fun, you could not remove all the nemesis from DMC and have it still be fun.

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>>385778560
explained in prime 3. EU/JP lore is canon

>>385779059
>If you removed all enemies from DMC3 it's be just endless hallways
>If you removed enemies from DMC1 it'd be poorman's resident evil
Seems about right.

>>385779108
explain plz

>>385772073
ofc you cant get a sense of isolation in l4d. you're constantly surrounded by 3 other ppl

>>385778873
It's clearly a third-person shooter since it's third person and there are ranged weapons such as bows and bombs.

>>385779210
metroids mutated by phazon have the ability to pass through walls/barriers

>>385779190
Don't forget that shitty platforming section at the end in DMC3 with the rotating blocks, one of my biggest 'what were they thinking' moments.

>>385779210
Prime 1 was released without Retro having a full grasp on the Metroid canon altogether, some logs seem to imply that it takes place after Super (this was in the early 2000s, information wasn't widely available)

The European and Trilogy releases of the games were rewritten after the Japanese localization took place and changed stuff to fit better between 1 and 2: Return of Samus

>>385773098
>>385772997
It's first person and you shoot and it's also terrible.

>>385779247
for fucks sakes

>>385778931
Jokes on you i am fucking shit on ping pong.

>>385779341
Shooting isn't your primary goal, it's to explore and retrieve items.
Shooting can only be used to open doors.
Zelda is NOT a hack and slash.

>>385779234
This anon gets it( But a fucking bomb as a ranged weapon? WHAT WHERE THEY THINKIN???)

>>385779325
the problem wasn't that they didn't have a grasp on metroid canon (they did because metroid canon was extremly simple at the time) but because the lore itself in prime 1 contradicted itself in both versions of the game. Prime 3 cleared up the plot hole of EU/JP lore

>>385779342
?

>>385779440
stop responding to him, you're the idiot for falling for such simple bait

>>385779059
>You could remove all the enemies from Zelda and it would still be fun
>Tfw you are on the last dungeon and ready to fight the boss, when you get there the game cut straight to the credits.

>>385778996
>Adventure
Adventure is the most shit non-genre in existence. What kind of genre encompasses Zelda, Metroid, Monkey Island, Space Quest, Mass Effect, MGSV, and Uncharted?

>>385778996
>>385779440
>The Arm Cannon is just a tool
Ahh, that's why all the central conflicts are solved by shooting.

>>385773157
This to me is the beauty of the logs.
They are as intrusive/unintrisive as the player wants them to be.
They even highlight the most important logs in Red if you don't want to scan them all.
The story is Prime is optional. You can avoid it all and have a Monster of the Week adventure, or try to infer from the setting.

Literally this is what Doom was lauded for doing just last year.

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>>385779657

>>385770265
reviewers will always shit on nintendo in dumb ways for attention
see: 8.8, jimquisition botw, any lowest metacritic score for one of their games (99% of them are poorly written)
just ignore the reviewers for the rest of their career and move on

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>>385779671
Zelda is an action adventure game, Prime is a first person action adventure game.

>>385770265
>Less refined
>isn’t quite ready
>What passes for the narrative
>doesn’t totally knock the wind out of Metroid’s sails

The problem is he isn't just observing that Metroid Prime is thin on story, he's heavily implying that lacking a story prevents the game from reaching its full potential and thus a better review score.

But the worst part is this

>is a series of text blurbs that have all the drama of a fortune-cookie message.

Literally just handwaves prime's use of text to promote atmosphere and environmental story telling. He's a pleb

>>385779890

See also:
>>385779671

>>385779890
stop replying to him retard

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Here's then current review of Dead or Alive.

Are Skyrim, Portal, and Jumping Flash FPS games? Those are all in the first-person and have you shoot things.

>>385779890
Zelda is a fucking RPG for fuck's sake, try to tell anyone that Zelda isn't a rpg and see if them will maintain a straight face.

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>>385780158
Let me help you out there with that first one there. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is an action role playing game in which players take on the wintery vistas of Skyrim where they can build their story in a vast world that reacts to the player.

>>385779671
>Ahh, that's why all the central conflicts are solved by shooting.
You mean like in 2D metroid?

>>385780803
>trust no one not even yourself

>>385780803
Christ that game looked gorgeous. How did they even do shading on 6th gen hardware?

>>385781082
the nintendo gamecube has an ATi badge, which is why it curb stomped the ps2.

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>>385781082
GameCube was a fucking monster dude, the Prime games were also sixty (60) FPS.

>>385781124
How is the alternate universe, traveler?

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>>385770265
There was a push for many, many years for the importance of story in all major game releases. It wasn't until gen 7 where faggot critics really drew the line and realized story didn't actually mean shit. Though they still creamed themselves every time a game had a story, which of course helped get us the cinematic craze. Where critics get the full, ideal experience the game tailor made for their first play through and as such they don't have to think about any design decisions. GT even had a distinct category for rating story in EVERY review.

>>385781082
you know how certain nintendo games still look good like xenoblade x despite being on trash hardware? Now imagine if xenoblade x was on a console with decent hardware

Nintendo has tech wizards working on their games but ever since Iwata took over all the hardware has been shit. Hopefully Kimishima goes Yamauchi

>>385781216
I still don't understand how the Super Mario Galaxy games look as good as they do on the Wii.

>>385781179
he obviously means in terms of power, not sales and shit

>>385781179
yeah, go compare the Lord of the Rings trilogy games on ps2 and game cube, the ps2 uses scripted 2d sprites for background Orcs, the game cube used 3d models for EVERY humanoid, no matter in background or not, and they even have minor A.i. while in background on the game cube versions.

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>>385781179
I could ask you the same thing.

>>385770265
>In the end, Metroid Prime’s plot won’t rouse your emotions
But it does
Seeing only the remains of a once great civilisation is tragic and terrifying. You cant help but pity them.

>>385781216
If Xenoblade X was on a powerful console Monolith would probably not have put as much effort as they did to make it look good, leaning on the hardware to pick up their slack.

>>385781706
is there a single ps2 game that has good textures without having cartoon kingdom hearts graphics?

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>>385781884
MGS3 looks really good.

>>385782136
models are decent, environments are shite. MGS2 looks better overall because of tighter level design

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>>385782421
ICO was pretty impressive back in the day.

>>385782695
ICO is also tight like MGS2

>>385778630

primary verb is walk

metroid prime walking simulator confirmed

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>>385783402
You could take out all combat and Metroid Prime would still be GOAT because the exploration is so good.

>>385780197
Were you able to keep a straight face actually calling zelda an rpg?