>give me 100 macca >sure >now give me 200 macca >sure

>>385653368
You're being a pushover faggot. Show some fucking spine and you might actually get demons. They don't like weakness.

>>385653368
It's just one of a few nuances in the game
>what, you'd think you could really trust a demon?
Or something along those lines. And life stones are bargaining chips/pennies anyways.

>>385653451
So I have to say "no" when they ask for shit?

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>>385653451
>mfw just want to be sexually dominated and submissive to a hawt demon lady
>mfw she leaves

>>385653594
It depends on the demon and on how the conversation's going. You usually need to give them a few things, but not all they ask. Some will instead want you to give them everything you ask for or refuse all the time.

they ask shits only 2 or 3 times

Chakra drop is when it went over the line. Small amounts of macca and life stones is all they got from me.

>>385653368
give me... 150 macca...

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>>385653368
See, this is the reason Demi-Fiend (and every SMT protagonist, really) needs sick dance moves. That shit worked every time with Aleph.
Seriously, I don't think it ever failed in my playthroughs. Although sometimes it involved getting Hiroko to dance instead.

>>385654023
>Cheat
Having high luck came in handy

>>385653451
It's literally RNG either way

>>385653368
It's a system designed around teaching nips how to not be doormats
You should only ever concede one or two things to a demon

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Hi

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>give me 5 kisses

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Give me a thousand macca

I'm a fan of SMT but something like 90% of the designs in this game are either fucking horrible or just plain boring

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>>385654320
Femi-Fiend is the best thing to never happen in SMT.
Damn shame too, the design would be great for a girl.

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What the fuck was his problem?

>>385654542
hopefully a cute girl does a cosplay of her soon

>>385653368

So you have never met niggers before?

>>385654431
What designs are better for a collectible type monster game
>Pokémon, monster hunter, golden sun and fossil fighters are wrong answers

>>385653368

Demons are supposed to be fickle. Besides, the system is designed so that a lot of demons will react negatively to you being such a pussy bitch.

>>385654703
dragon quest

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>>385654664

>>385654703
Cyber Sluts? I actually love SMT demon designs, so I'm just shooting the breeze.

>>385654747
I miss DQM. Remember when it had western releases?

>>385654686
>that one faggot who tries to be edgy in every thread

>>385654703
The cutesy designs are nice with some of them, and some of the fucky looking ones have their charm, but I never noticed any that actually looked cool or interesting, most were cutesy and/or kinda cartoonish, which isn't bad, but not when it's a huge number of them, the others are just kinda boring design wise.They're supposed to be demons, but few actually look demonic or creepy.

>>385653594
It's random don't worry about it

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>>385654973
Remember when they brought over the normal version of 2 despite the fact that the upgraded one had already come out in Japan and then they never brought that over? Good times.

>>385653368
You know, you can refuse continue to give stuff if you want right? Like sometimes they will give you a ridiculous request that you are supposed to refuse.

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>>385655035
>don't worry about it
y-yeah sure

>>385654981

Telling truth about gibes me dats doesnt make me edgy.

>>385655007
>They're supposed to be demons, but few actually look demonic or creepy.
the nips have a very different understanding of the concept of a demon

>>385655212
ok champ

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>>385653368
>What the fuck?

Some stuff in the SMT games are legit poorly designed.
They do some great stuff, but none of the games are flawless.

dunno about Nocturne but in IV you give them two things they want and then end talks and it bags'em like 90% of the time. nobody wants to be owned by a doormat.

>>385653368
>getting scammed by a videogame character
lmao, try not being a beta cuck next time

IIRC always refuse either the macca or item requests and youre almost guaranteed to recruit them

>>385655007

>but few look demonic or creepy

The games have demons and gods from mythologies from all over the world. The goetic demons (what you are likely thinking of when you say demon) are all their and their designs are true to the source material. The Japanese demons come in a variety of shapes and forms and temperaments mainly because their "demons" are actually just Earth spirits and other entities, not something explicitly evil.

>>385655347
The problem is that it isn't 100% of the time. Answering the questions correctly and giving them what they want should result in them joining you or at least giving you something. Them just fucking off is bad game design. It doesn't matter if you want to push some dumb "they're demons" card, it makes the game less enjoyable because it randomly gives you the middle finger for no good reason.

>>385655837
eh, same could be said of any random element of chance in a video game. it's good design in terms of getting people to keep playing, our brains are wired to love that stuff. hedging your bets, risk/reward, all that. otherwise you'd do it all the time if it was profitable.

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>>385655035
I-I hope so

>>385653368
>What the fuck?

it's a fucking demon. what do you expect? them making sense? lol. they never make any sense. that's the point.

>>385656159
>eh, same could be said of any random element of chance in a video game

There's a difference between rolling a dice and giving people the illusion of control and skill.

It's like in school if you aced a test but the teacher just randomly decided to give you a failing grade for no reason.

It's legit bad game design.

>>385655420
top kek.

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is there anyone in SMT who could face endgame Alucard with all gear ,summons and spells?

>find Jobukko or whatever it's called (a fucking tree with skeleton and eyes in it) in Raidou 2
>"lol, let's sit down sunny and have a talk (old man demon personality)"
>decide to sit kneeling, not cross-legged
>he be like "lmao y so serious?!?!?! and y so traditional and shit? r u a cuck? yea nah, fuck that, done talking to you, OLOLOLOLO bye felicia!"

every fucking time.

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>>385657185
But could Alucard face a min/maxed Soma?

>>385657185
probably Raidou. I read the manga. he's strong as fuck being able to even fight weakened gods and shit.

Demifiend as well but you probably already guessed that.

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>What do I want?
>HP
>No you fucking idiot!
>Give me a bit of your health~

Also if your team doesn't consist solely of sexy fairies and/or Jack Frost and Jack Frost derivatives you aren't playing SMT right.

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>>385653368
I think no game did that more than SMTIV.
I remember it happening all the fucking time.
At least in Apocalypse you can actually find the same demon again and he will recognize and join you.

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Sup guys.
I can finally work on my project full time.

>>385657452
Yeah these games are pretty stupid at times

use the timecode
https://youtu.be/T98vMLduWjA?t=2m

>>385653368
You see, this is why I don't like the series. Why the fuck did FE do a crossover with it? The gameplay isn't fun, and the stories are all edgy tripe.

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>talk to demon you already have
>"oh hey you're with my bro, here's some macca"
>insta-win fight
b a s e d

>>385657678
It's funny, Persona 5 actually fixes a lot of the poor game design in the SMT series yet it gets a lot of flak from SMT fans.

>>385657557
The key to negotiations in SMT4 is to just never give them anything. Almost always worked.

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I want Digimon x SMT. The "edgy" designs of digimon would go perfectly with the edgelord world of SMT

how likely is this?

>>385654703
digimon

>>385653368

>being a bitch to demons

You are there to slap those fuckers around and not suck their dick.

>hey summoner, where did u get that sword?
>well, I earned it...
>AHAHAHA U LYING FUCK. NO WAY U EARNED SHIT, U PROBABLY STOLE DAT SHIT FROM SOME POOR SOD.

>conversation became unfavourable
>fix that quickly!

>>385653594
I usually give them 2-3 things and then tell them to fuck off if they don't join. That usually gets them to stop and actually join you.

The things that bother me are when they start asking questions about your opinions. It is hard to get a read on what they actually want to hear.

>>385657787
>It's funny, Persona 5 actually fixes a lot of the poor game design in the SMT series yet it gets a lot of flak from SMT fans.
Because none of that is true you colossal personafaggot.

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>>385657775
>talk to beast-type demon
>gives me the option to play fetch with it
>throw rock
>it runs and the battle ends
>20 encounters later I run into that same demon
>talk
>"Wow that was fun! Can we play some more, human?"
>demon joins party

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>Decirabias and Angel Powers keep spawning as I try to keep people from escaping

>>385658163
>It is hard to get a read on what they actually want to hear.

it's completely impossible to read them because it's always a random outcome.

>ARE U AFRAID OF ME?
>yes (THAT'S RIGHT, YOU KNOW UR LIMITS SO WHAT DO YOU WANT?)
>no (WOW U MUST BE REALLY STRONG AND BRAVE, PERHAPS I SHOULD JOIN U THEN.)
>don't care/don't know (probably never works but whatever)

it just could go either way with negative answers as well.

>>385658261
>Because none of that is true you colossal personafaggot.

Demon negotionations are better, which is what this thread is about. There's more to them and there's also interactions like hostagetaking.

Also very stupid of you to assume I'm some persona fanboy despite knowing jack shit about me. Maybe try and be less of close minded faggot next time.

>>385658151
>Relax spray
>This won't work on me twice
>Mudo
>Haven't saved for the entire Bootes sector
>Scream

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>>385653368
>tfw I loved SMT 4 and SMT 4:A but quit Nocturne about halfway through because it was tedious

>>385657185
Am I the only one who thinks of SMT as the Castlevania of turned based rpgs? Something about this series just reminds me of Castlevania.

>>385657185
Castlevania got a weird power boost a little while back, but any given SMT protag and endboss is going to be stronger.

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>>385659086

Fucking demons man.

>>385659106
no. they do have quite a lot in common.
especially since you could summon creatures from the castle since...I don't know..SotN probably. And then you had like a whole compendium with all the monsters and their roots in mythology. AoS introduced summoning then all the way and then there was Curse of Darkness as well. Curse of Darkness is literally Devil Summoner: The Game.

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>guess what I want, faggot
>an item?
>FUCK NO you dumbfuck, why would I want an item, geez you don't know a thing about me you fucking idiot
>I want life stone
>ok
>Very well. From this point forth, I am thine ally.
>Oh here's life stone as a gift. Faggot.

>>385657212
Kneeling is for women and faggots. Jobukko had the right idea, I wouldn't want to talk to your faggot ass either.

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>[your most powerful demon] was blasted away!

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>>385659849

You know it.

>>385660102
shut up, dude.
this was just an example. the kneeling option worked with another one of them though. just wait until the real bullshit starts when he asks you to massage him normal, softly or tough.
that's 3 options that could go either way.

plus, I don't need that shit tree anymore. I got based Raiho and I'm in Chapter 6 after all.

>>385654664
He's just a jew. Near the end of a Apocalypse he suddenly becomes very polite

>>385655592
I give Life Stones, and sometimes Dis-Poisons and shit, but refuse everything else.

>>385658635
I think i only ever saw the hostage mechanic once
how does it work?

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>>385660212
>mfw this dude's girlfriend summons him to wreck my shit in the hardtype mod

>>385657185
Honestly, probably most of them. Even Vending Machine-kun might be able to pull it off, though I also wouldn't be terribly surpised if Vending Machine couldn't.
The only ones that would get fucked are the normies, or people with specific requirements behind their power usage, such that they are normies 90% of the time.
Certainly by Demi-Fiend and Nanashi-tier, Alucard get utterly fucked.

>>385655837
them fucking off is good if you didn't want to fight or weren't in the position to fight

Two quick questions as a first time player of nocturne.
>should I go for a true demon end my first run or do you think it's better to do it later
>how important is it I get all magatama to get the best magatama

>>385657836
Unlikely, but I am in the camp that this crossover would be utterly fantastic.
Digimon and SMT have difficulty truly "crossing over" with most series, but have an odd parallel between them that would work well between them.

>>385661129
Go TDE first then do other ending if you want. TDE might as well be the canon ending at this point.

>>385653368
>give 100 marcca
>no
>give life stone
>sure
>give 200 marcca
>fuck you
>your a cool guy. let me join no.

its not rocket science kid.

>>385661343
"you"

>>385661129
TDE is exciting to get on a first run.

Can you get more than one extra turn if you beat the game a second time and go to amala in the third run? Or is it just a one time deal.

>>385653368
I always thought that it was to represent each individual demon having its own personality so there's no one size fits all way to convince them to do anything.

>>385661129
Get a demon with Sukukaja or Fog Breath as quickly as possible and make sure you have at least one guy with those moves for the entire game.

>>385661254
>>385661428
Alright thanks. I played normal not sure what to expect and regret it so I plan to do a proper playthrough on hard later on.

>>385661642
that would require actual forethought, testing, and coding knowledge

>>385658635
Persona's negotiations were always better than mainline's. I think 2 was even better than 5 because demons had multiple personalities and each party member had their own negotiation style which gives it another layer of strategy. Multiple people could take part in the negotiation and the effects were different over the course of the game as your pals grew closer together or further apart.

>>385660738
If you fail negotiations they can take your party member hostage and you won't be able to use them. But it's literally impossible to fail because the first part of every social link is a do-over for negotiations, monsters are more likely to run or get a free turn that take a hostage, and you get 3 free saves every in-game day that prevents you from losing control of your dudes.

>>385658592
Don't care is probably something like
>oh you don't care because you already decided i'm gonna join so i will hahaha

>>385661831
>a proper playthrough on hard later on.
Hope you enjoy grinding for macca.

>>385660942
>vending machine is weak meme
Solo run too OP.

>>385661905
You are a fucking idiot if you honestly think they didn't

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>>385653368
Nocturne negotiation is ultimately random, it's a blemish on an otherwise great game. I read in an FAQ that negotiation in the original was more consistent, but I don't know how true that is.
Just don't give the demons too much, 2-3 times max. Don't give away any of your good items, either.

>>385662305
I think the devs really wanted you to use the new set of demon race specific negotiation skills.

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>>385653368
I just beat 4 th Kalpa. I love Nocturne but this labryinth is complete bullshit and is super anti-fun. And this is with using GameFAQS guides. This is one game that if I play again TDE can be damned.

>>385662587
Well it was made for people in japan that already beat the game and expected a bullshit challenge in the expansion.

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>>385661129

USE BUFFS RETARD

>>385662713
And you know what the hardest part of the dungeon Is? It's the fact that after you've beat the Kalpa in order to get too the next you have to go through the one you already beat all over again because a portal to the Kalpa be damned

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>>385662587
Shit, I'm around the same area. I'm at Asakusa but might do the second kalpa, not sure if I want to do the TDE run this time.

>>385655035
>>385662305
It's not random. It depends on the sun's phase, what kind of demon you're recruiting, what the average level of your party is, and what social skills you and your demons have.

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>>385662729
It's funny, I beat him moderately easily. I got my ass kicked twice then demolished him after trying to make new demons and realizing uzume is immune to force.

This guy on the other hand destroyed my ass too many times to count. Fuck him.

Playing through this game right now, it's fun but the encounter rate is inconsistent bullshit that sometimes throws stuff at you after 2 steps. Also, having random encounters in hub areas isn't "challenging", it's just irritating. I don't want to have to deal with 3 battles while walking from the terminal to the Cathedral of Shadows.

>>385661945
But Soul Hacker's trumps both from what I hear.
>>385653368
>play SMT2
>point gun
>instant recruit
I fucking love that shit

>>385663293
Matador is a perfect tutorial boss because without guiding the player he will utterly blast your ass in seconds if you don't know what you are doing but is a fucking pushover when you know the game mechanics. If you have a demon in your party that is weak to wind and don't have Sukukaja you'll get fucked.

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>>385663481
>soul hackers
>the game where you need to befriend demons and shit
>implying anyone outside hardcore oldfag /smtg/ would have played and enjoyed it

>>385663293
How the fuck does everyone have Uzume by this point? I got to Matador at about level 13/14 and this was on hard so it's not like I was running from fights.

>>385663646
I must have been really unlucky because one of my demons at reaching Matador was weak to wind so I fought him a man down and two of my dudes were weak to thunder when I got to Thor. But Thor is super easy in comparison so I just tanked the extra hits and had my extra dudes heal.

>>385661905
are you implying that none of those things are in the game?

>>385655592
That only works in IV. Final and SJ are the only mainline games were you need to actually negotiate with your items. Nocturne is pure RNG and you can bypass the negotiations in SMT I/II completely.

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>>385663646

Better than a more recent tutorial boss for sure.

>>385663705
>tfw waited for a translation of SH for years
>the only version we got was the one with shitty downsized sprites and cut features(I want a ayy pet demon dammit).
kill me

>>385663936
There's no better tutorial than the one that shows you how shitty the battle system really is.

>>385653368
>giving a demon macca
>giving them any item that isn't a life stone

c'mon dude. don't be such a bitch.

>>385663781
You don't need her but most people grind for her since she has media
A team of Sudama + Nozochi (the snake thing) + another demon not weak to force is serviceable if you know what you're doing

>>385663936
Yep. I love minotaur, he has one of the best designs in the series and he's intimidating as fuck but as a boss he's atrociously designed, especially for being the first real bossfight. It's entirely reliant on the RNG of which partner you get and what moves they cast, thank god they fixed the partner AI and let you pick them in 4:A.

>>385663781
She is made using pixie and angel, two demons that are pretty easy to recruit at that point.

>>385664089
>giving away life stones
but they're literally the only healing item that's useful at every stage of the game if you don't count within battles

>>385664212

It's a fucking life stone; they're meant to be bargaining chips with demons.

>>385664212
A healslut demon will always be better outside battle than any item.

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>>385664212

>Using life stones as anything other than demon bargaining chips

>>385657557
They recognize you in other games like soul hackers.

>>385663069
So effectively random unless you've played the game a whole bunch of times or are using a guide. Which is exactly what the second person said.

>>385664212
You get more than you ever need, and by mid/late game you'll have a demon or two in the stock as healers.

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>>385662305
>demon asks for a gemstone

I like how in SH demons have their own battle preferences/personality. Like Calm, Sly, Dumb, or Kind. Kind Demons and some Angels, won't attack unless you fully earn their trust, and can't be bribed. Sly demons need expensive stuff to get their trust, and prefer magic. Wild demons only want food, and like physical attacks. And Calm demons/angels just want to do their own thing, without being commanded. SH has the best negotiation.

>>385664935
*has the best demons

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>>385659086
momunofu best demon

>>385664515
Except the game flat-out tells you these things, several times, so no, it's not "effectively random" and you don't need to read a guide, you just need basic reading comprehension and a decent memory.

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Give me Macca.

>>385665303
Have this Mudo instead.

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HEY YOU, DIG HERE.

>DIG
>DIG
>DIG

>>385665303
I was giddy like a little kid when I discovered Raidou brought him back into 3D smt.

>>385665479
Is this deep enough for your grave?

>>385665479
>Dig

>>385665694
YOU JUST DUG YOUR OWN GRAVE
>Critical Wave

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Which of these demons do you love most /v/?
>Mothman
>Mothman
>Mothman

>>385653368
I've always found that giving them the first 2 things they want and then ending negotiations lead to me getting the demon 9 times out of 10.

>>385665986
He is ugly.

>>385665986
The youngest demon in smt he has about 50-60 years. I'm no demon pedo.

>>385665303

TRUST NO MOKOI

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What's with Lucifer and disguising himself as little girls? He used to be a cool business dude, now he's a dumb twink.

>>385665986
>Mothman

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>>385666851
hedonism, son of man

>>385666851
Kaneko once said Lucifer has as many different personas as he has wings. But after SJ everything is over the six he supposedly should have. So I dunno man.

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>>385667231
Isn't he meant to have 12 wings?

>>385654320
>>385654542
There's a picture of chie with the demifiend tattoos and it's 10/10, but I lost it a while ago

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You won't succeed in negotiations through memorization.

You got to get a feel of how each demons' personality is like, and treat them accordingly.
There will always be some RNG shittery, but you can overcome or endure it at least.
Luck and INT also tend to raise the success rate in some games.

is it easy to defeat mitra in SJ or is he hard as fuck? also, why does Jimenez get the half-demon human when I spared him?

>>385667509
I think I managed to get it down to a formula in SMT 4 but only in that game. It seemed that if you gave the demon what they wanted twice and then ended talks it worked like 85% of the time.

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>>385654664
He doesn't have time to waste and you always come to his store to try out all the outfits and only buy one of them at most.

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>yfw you are offered to go chaos

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>>385667606
Yeah, "end conversation" was really broken and led to success most of the time.
Probably for this reason it was removed from IV:A altogether.

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>>385667887
>mfw chaos routes always turn into destroying random shit/opening portals to hell instead of overthrowing corrupt governments/etc

>>385667961
Why jack frost is so cute

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>>385668067
Leave chaos to me.

>>385668067
Chaos is the final step to admitting you are a failure at life.

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>>385668128

Because hee is the best, ho.

>>385667603
>he wants a demon in diapers

>>385668067
Because yhvh is the corrupt government.

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>>385667509
>tfw in SJ you can auto win the negotiation with Jack Frost if you tell him he is a famous mascot
>Pyro Jack gets jelly as fuck and attacks you
>the onis do coin bets to join you if you bro down with them

>>385660159
fuck that shit
when you fuse a demon specifically for a boss fight and they get blasted away
that's when you know true agony

>>385668727
>early lv 20 demon with tier two spells
>not worth it
Too bad Bagaboo is so much better, early mediarama instead

>>385665269
so it's random because fuck putting in that effort

just tell the demons no unless they ask for life stones

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>>38565834
>demon wants to see how strong i am
>he is impressed and wants to join me but my party is full so he leaves
>find that same demon later
>he notices that there is a spot in my party and joins

>>385653368
You got robbed, nigga. Way to be a huge bitch.

How does fusion work?

I'll use two demons to make a new one, but then the new demon can be used as an ingredient to make one of the original two. That tells me I'm fucking something up/

what do?

>>385657836
>Digimon x SMT
Cyber Sleuth was basically that

>>385669417
If you can't follow a simple chart I don't know what to say.

>>385669417
demon from race a can be fused with demon from race b to form demon from race c
google fusion chart for whichever game, they vary

I have a question

What is the name of the theme that plays when you talk to Lucifer in the labyrinth?

i tried to play this on pcsx2 but the dudes eyes were coming out of his head.

also isn't maccas what aussies call mcdonald's?

>>385669896
The clavichord one? The ost I have on my hdd calls it Makai No Junin but it was downloaded years ago so maybe there's a translated updated name for it.

>>385669896
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfJTI8KHw-0

>>385669896
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57HHbtWkU64

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toot

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>>385670328

Tooting is the ultimate evil.

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>>385670163
>>385670193
>>385670261

That one, thanks anons

>>385653368
Is it true the neutral ending is nearly impossible to get in smt iv?
I don't want to read a guide to stay nootral.

>>385670193
>3:38
The fuck? I have the maniacs OST and mine is only 2:07 like this one >>385670261
. Was there a updated OST released or is this a rip?

>>385670492
you need to keep track of your choices manually. You have like an 8point margin for both sides.

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>>385670492
I got it on my first try

>>385670423
there was no more satisfying feeling than using the toot for myself

>>385670492

It's dumb how it works but I got it without a guide.
Just side with Jonathan until it you are given the option to maintain or destroy the order of things, then choose to destroy the order.

>>385657185
SMT, Castlevania and Fate are more similar than you think.
All feature multiple legends, gods, monsters and shit from different times. Some even have compendium and informations about them. I have learned a lot from those series.

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>>385670492
Kinda hard without a guide but once you've shibuya in the hunter association you can talk to the cynical man an will say your alignment
Kinda obvious his answers but
>polite = law
>Hot-blooded = Chaos
>Hard to figure out = neutral

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>>385670328

>>385670967
Fate is mostly made up history besides names and general location names.

>>385661129
Go TDE. And normal.
There's no reason to go hard. It's just a waste of time grinding macca. There isn't much difference in difficulty. Just mobs randomly killing you.

>>385664116
Thanks to /v/ and memes, my nocturne run was ruined and I managed to prepare myself before battling matador.
Fusing uzume, nozuchi and other shit.

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Will there be another SMT game on a console? im tired of playing them in the shitty 3DS

I've never hated shield all as much as I do after beating that mission with all the Angel Powers and Decarabias

>>385671263
>>385670492
If you pick the first dialogue option in every choice + a certain path rotation during the cavern area thing, you get a neutral. It's literally top option in each choice. Might be a few outliers, it's been a while.

>>385653368
>dungeon crawler has random mechanics
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWW

Go back to FF OP

>>385671610
there's smt V..... on switch

>>385671610
Maybe, now that P5 has delivered hi-def demon models they can return to rehashing assets like they did during the ps2 days. No guarantees though.

>>385668190
Best chaos route in all the series.
Along with Nocturne TDE of course.

Will SMT ever have a girl as perfect as Nemissa ever again?

I miss when this series was obscure in the early 2000s

>>385671610
Well thanks to Persona 5 demons maybe.

Hell even the Switch trailer got some demons that clearly got the same models from 5

>>385668190
I trusted him more than the shady fucking Shomonkai

>>385671765
>perfect girl
>human
Oh Anon, you silly boy. You don't need human sluts when you have your loyal Pixie.

>>385670328
Is it me, or wasthis guy dumbed down in Desu2? It felt like a puppet.

>>385671728
>more games in the series do it better and yet keep RNG
Why the defensiveness

>>385654703
>Wrong answer
Oh boy....

>>385671610
i'm not sure why all these people are saying maybe when the answer is just yes

>>385671982
All the fiends were dumbed down from their Nocturne appearance.

>>385654703
None.
SMT is the best of JRPGs.

>Play any RPG
>can cast fire, thunder, ice, armor up, atk down, poison

>Play SMT / persona game
>can cast dio, bufu, media, agila, sakuranda, takalgia, zen-di, god knows what else

Is it cheating if I keep a webpage open at all times to remind myself what the fuck I'm getting when I can see a skill but not the explanation for what it does? (swapping personas in persona 3, the next skill they're going to learn, etc.)
Same question applies to demon fusion and trying to figure out what the fuck I'm going to get from different fusings. I'm loving the games but it feels like you need a game encyclopedia to keep up with it until you've played a couple through already.

>>385672075
Well the fiends not from Nocturne did fine

Okay /v/ who would win?
>Desu2 polaris astral beings from space.
>lucifer and his army nocturne tier and belial king desu1 tier.
>YHVH apocalypse tier.
>the big ball god from nocturne.
Anything I'm missing?

>>385672323
I prefer the weird names,it gives smt more personality.

>>385672323
No offense but I think you're just dumb. Once you use a move you should memorize it instantly.

>>385672323
It's okay to look a guide at start. You will get used to it. Most of the time the icon next to it will appear. But smt tier names is better.

>>385672389
is demi-fiend counted in lucifer's army?

>>385655817

Gotta love how the Fallen demons from the Ars Goetia are pretty much just an hd rendition of the original designs

>>385672389
One Mothman.

>>385672584
Let's not count MCs because most of them are already OP

>>385672323
No fucking shame, no fucking shame at all.
Never recalled most names in other RPGs that isn't the most basic game, who gives a shit, same with fusion charts, thats fine, no guilt on mechanics.

>>385672697
regardless i'm still gonna have to lucifer's army

>>385670492
Use a guide, don't fuck up the walkthrough like me.

>>385672323
The elemental ones are easy, but everything else kinda blurs together sometimes. Not like it matters, since a lot of games just tell you what they do anyways.

>>385668190
Overclocked made his ending god tier. With both chaotic evil and chaotic good.

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>>385663705
>Persona 4 is my favorite
>Enjoy Soul Hackers as well
>Starting to enjoy Nocturne on my second attempt at playing it

Can anyone explain the apocalypse dlc with all MCs together?
Does that make apocalypse the ultimate SMT?

>>385672389
Apocalypse YHVH just because music
https://youtu.be/marMHH6a63g

>>385662587
It wasn't really hard for me.

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>Cocky prick
>Almost gets killed
>Saved by Commander Gore
>Still only cares about himself
>Complete prick to everybody else
What the fuck is this guy's problem, also why is SJ so much harder than Nocturne?

>>385653368
>not always saying no unless its a life stone

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>>385673179
>Steven Hawkings stands up

>>385672389
YHVH, unless you go full Dagda even if you kill him he will get revenge.

>>385672389
>the big ball god from nocturne.
That guy is an absolute fucking pussy and the only thing going for him is Infinite Light.

>>385673323
Probably calls Zelenin a puta and makes him 100% better muchacho

>SJ so much harder than Nocturne
Sometimes you forget that instructions are there

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>>385673323
>>385673532
Also this demon is adorable

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>>385673532

>>385673323
Because you can't minmax the MC, he only gets a few, mostly mediocre and offensive skills, because the weakness punishing mechanic from SJ was very weak compared to press turns, and because the combination of these things means you are ultimately dependent on your demons for literally everything, and can't really use the mc to "hold down" any particular role aside from healer, and even that is restricted by money.

>>385671610
Switch will be enough for SMT. I can guarantee it will be reusing P5 demon models which is great because P5's artstyle was gorgeous.
>inb4 cartoony graphics not muh SMT
Nocturne was cell shaded and they could play with shaders to make it not quite so vibrant as P5.

>>385673749
probablemente la llame maraca, pero esa palabra no es muy mejicana

>>385673761
I just finished Bootes and I've already died more than I did in Nocturne, how fucked am I going forward? Gotta say though the atmosphere and setting in this game is a fucking 10/10, also the dungeons are really good so far too they do a good job of incentivizing exploration.

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>>385673974
Just wait for Carina amigo

>>385658784
What the hell. Apocalypse final dungeon is true tedious.

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>>385674110
MAKING MY WAY DOWNTOWN

>>385673323
SJ is easy until the final boss.

>>385658784
>>385674110
YHVH's universe was really fun to me
i love exploration like that
Nocturne's nonstop

>>385674754
accidentally posted before i finished my thought
Nocturne's nonstop teleportation puzzles are what started to grate on me
is strange journey like that?

>>385657185
How strong is alucard? Can he kill gods?
Death and dracula are just regular demons in smtverse. Any mc could give him a fight

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>>385674918

>>385654094
That's Abel. The true magic dancer of SMT.

>>385673761
>he only gets a few, mostly mediocre and offensive skills
I dunno man, the moment you get moan bullet
>>385674303
>meme snake
>>385674929
>regular humans and some demon can wipe the floor with deities
>Alucard is more than that
>Alucard not besting a good chunk of them

>>385675035
I loved the teleporting maze in Eridanus, I dont know why people complain about it. Grus on the other hand...

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>>385675162
>Has a move that can kill you regardless of what resistances you have
>Can banish demons based off of alignment which is what the battle system is based entirely around

>Fair

>>385675205
>grus
>hard or tedious outside of the NG+ section

>>385673420
Can yhvh beat the universe shits from desu2?

>>385675381
Its boring.

>>385675371
She's even harder than record scratch

>>385675371
I meant meme snake also being a difficulty spike, MA is bullshit yes.
>have to grind for that good team if going neutral first run

>>385675371
She also switched weaknesses randomly didnt she? I just spammed almighty.

>>385675035
i guess i'd have to actually play it to see how bad it is
it depends on how trial and error it feels

>>385674754
Bad pacing. You put that dungeon where the game is supposed to end. I just wanted to kill yhvh and get it over with.
It should have been post game stuff.
I hated meaningless teleporting. At least make it have sense.

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>>385675502
Are you talking about this guy?

Why play SJ?
Just wait for the remake unless you don't have a 3ds. That's why i dropped the game and am waiting.

>>385674918
SJ has one notorious teleporter maze and then some more smaller segments towards the end but its not a nonstop thing as far as I remember.

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>>385675832
>Just wait for the remake
L O L
O
L

>>385675759
>he
Well yes.
Mostly just get an all neutral team with fire spells or rng, annoying and throws you off guard, but not like MA
Why are all the good demons late 80's 90's, late 60's/70's is a shitshow

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Sector D and Grus are a pain in the ass

Everything else is ok and fun

>>385675957
I playes the ds version of radiant historia for the same reason.
Sadly I realized late that there was an old portrait option.
I hope strangest journey has more content and better gameplay.

>>385675957
what's the point of tracing if you're just going to make it even worse

>>385676154
Wasn't the original art free DLC for RH?

>>385675382
Yes he will take their turns away.

Why did YHVH let the politheist gods do whatever they wanted?
Is he was the final boss he could have stopped them anytime.
I can't believe those gods made lucifer and the angels look like shit.

>>385675710
i can understand that i guess, but i found it fun
i did expect to go right to the boss though
>>385675889
ok cool
i'd love to play it because i just beat apocalypse and i'm having withdrawals but i'll wait for the remake
persona q will have to do for now

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>>385676154

Looks like we are getting a new zone and more plot since we have at least 5 new characters so far

I still dont get what route they are going to add since SJ plot is pretty solid

>>385676416
Dagda points out Krishna never would have succeeded.

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>>385654747
>correct answer
Well that was fast

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>>385676448
Do we know what Nukiko's role is yet?

>>385676329
Yeah. I hope we get the same for SJ.
>>385676448
I never played it before. What route are the bests?

>>385676519
So how do I start dragon quest?
Does it have a chart like the smt one?

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>>385655007
>cartoony
How many smt games have you played?

>>385676657
I started with the remakes of the original trilogy. I dont remember if it was GBC or super famicom.

>>385657960
>a gaming forum
Hmmmm

>>385667454
is it this

>>385676657
5

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>>385676584

Neutral all the way

Gore and Arthur are great while chaos is just fuck shit up and law is mostly "be a good drone of our lord goyim"

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>>385676853
durr

>>385675957
Jimmy gone full DreamWorks

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>>385676890
Meant to say 'Law all the way'.

>>385676890
They really ruined chaos in SJ, they literally brainwash people like in law.

fun game with fun music but honestly a lot of it with demon recruiting is just bullshit

it's why I ultimately stopped playing, I wanted to keep going but the random battles and shitty camera and whatnot just made me pass

>>385676890
So law is let's listen to mastema and suck yhvh. But wasn't mastema oposed to him in IV?
And chaos is the usual let's fuck the world up.
Sure I will go with neutral, the hardest route. I hope deep joruney fixes it.

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>>385654542
Agreed, where's my fucking Nocturne remake with Femifiend?

>>385676890
So in which route do you restore the world to peace, before how it was.

>>385677154
If nocturne get's a remake like that people will stop praising it just like SMT apocalypse. Referencing that optional dlc in the beach.
Calling it waifushit, modern atlus, persona, etc.

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>>385677371
>Apocalypse
>Bad

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>>385668190
Relevant.
DeSu1 had very good routes in general, but chaos really was a cut above the rest im that one.

>>385677263

Neutral

>>385677118
He is a jew angel, I am not shitting you. Read about him and you will get why he is against YHVH in IV

>>385677371
They could even fucking rip it off from P3P and have it change minor things. Femifiend just does shit to my dick. Please.

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>>385675071

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>>385677757

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This happened to me yesterday

Angel: Is being weak a crime?
>Yes
Angel: Our opinions contradict
[Load Save State]
>No
Angel: Our opinions contradict

>>385676448
>kept mastema as he is
>he smiles in one screenshot

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>Female Demifiend

dear /v/

Where can i find an english version of one of these games? Preferably on GBA, ive found the patches for it, but i would love to have it on my phone

Thanks!
-Anon

>>385678102
Unless you can read Japanese you're stuck with the snes versions of 1&2.

>>385678102
I wasn't even aware there were any SMT GBA games.

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Honest thoughts on Mastema?

>>385677015
Least you had something to ruin, Law is always genocide this, suck off God that

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>>385678335
Law in SMT2 was pretty good.

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>>385678302
He's a cool guy

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>>385678302
He seems like an honest fellow

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>when you finally finish fusing your perfect demon after 6+ fusions
I just made a broken Matador in SMT4:A and it's beautiful.
Also, your daily reminder that the Fiends and all other skeleton-based demons are the best.

If you're 5 levels higher than them or they have hardly any remaining health they should just auto join; at least p5 was less random.

>>385678640

The fiends are the best aside Chemtrail, fuck that ugly son of a bitch

>>385678640
my nigga

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>>385678782
>The fiends are the best aside Chemtrail, fuck that ugly son of a bitch

Fuck off, Chemtrail is great.

>no redrawn National Defense demons besides Tenkai in Apocalypse
they should have just redrawn all of the demons from SMTIV

>>385677432
I know man. Apocalypse is one of the best SMTs.
But I saw threads here of it being shit on because of the waifus and persona route.

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>>385678887
Best new design coming through.

>>385678940
I hope Koga Saburo comes back.

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Moh