Why haven't you played the definitive version of Sonic

>>385604828
I have. But it's really not that special as someone who has already played 3K a hundred times. I'd recommend it to a first time player though

>>385604828
Taxman 3&K any day now.

Is it possible to play the mobile versions on PC with a controller? I don't even....

>>385605440
A taxman version with all S3C features and 16:9 would be god tier

>>385605440
I wish but I don't think it'd happen with the music copyrights. 3 mobile is pretty much ready to go Sega just needs to sign off on it and they won't

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>>385604828
But I have played the definitive version.

I played through Sonic 3&K on my old Genesis earlier this year, back when Mania was supposed to come out in the Spring.

>No re-release because of music copyrights

Fuck this gay earth. I'm sure MJ would have allowed it if he was still alive.

>>385605594
They've rereleased it before though with the music intact. Isn't it fine as long as it's a port?

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already did
>>385606181
it's not just MJ though

>>385606272
I don't know the details but it has to do with emulation vs porting it I think. For example the original PC version had to replace the music but you can play it intact on Steam

>>385606414
the original PC version isn't the one on steam, it's just emulated like the others.
the only version that runs natively is taxman's sonic CD remake/remaster

>>385606740
The original PC version must run natively because it's framerate is synced to your computer's CPU

>>385606825
yeah it's fucked but it's not the one on steam
I fucked up too, I think the sonic 3d blast version on steam is the proper pc version and it works just fine iirc

>>385604828
Oh, but I have. I'm actually thinking of playing some of the less good Sonic games to prepare for Mania. It's gonna seem even better if I come to it directly from Lost World, you know?

I know, I belong in a madhouse.

>>385607651
I did that. Out of all the "bad" Sonic games, I find 06 to be the best of them. It has the framework of a good game and some decent level design and ideas. To me, the worst Sonic games are the ones that are boring as fuck or awfully designed, like Knuckles Chaotix, all of those awful Game Gear games, Shadow the Hedgehog, and Sonic Lost World.

Mania is going to be like eating a pizza with a big ass pumpkin pie after eating nothing but celery sticks and chicken for a year. ITS GONNA BE FUCKING AMAZING

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>>385604828

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>>385608787
Oh shit, son.

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C'mon step it up

>>385606272
>a port
The Taxman and Stealth remakes aren't ports, ya chucklefuck.

>>385610380
Done this so many times i cant be bothered to do it anymore

I already have like 3 times for each character. My favorite thing about it is how it made Super Sonic a multi-button activation and you can also turn it off, while also not losing your shield and only speeding up the zone theme instead of using the invincibility theme.

I can't wait for Mania. I'm hoping Hydrocity is gonna make it in and I can't wait to see what they've done to Flying Battery.

>He plays S3&K instead of S3 and S&K separately

>>385610725
Complete has everything from both games

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>385610850
FORGOT MY IMAGE REE

>>385604828
This guy is a suck and a fucking cuck. Also his fucking audio sucks. I'm a traveling salesman and hear this listened to all his and his brother's bullshit

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>>385610725
>he unironically plays it wrong

>>385610969
That gif looks cute until you learn that one of the girls grows a dick and fucks the other one.

>>385610969
I'm actually playing it the correct way.

>>385611145
You would if you played 3&K.

newfag@s3complete here, how do i start this?

>>385611502
Just run the rom in an emulator. Then if you wanna change settings, just look in the options.

>>385610725
>>385611145
>Playing them separately
For literally what purpose

>>385611684
To be a contrarian faggot.

>>385610898
Maybe it's a stylistic choice to differentiate the new zones from the old?

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If a mania 2 were to happen which 3D zones if any would you want to see re-interpretered into the classic 16-bit style

>>385612165
I'd like to see Lost World tackled. Maybe Metal Harbor as well.

>>385610898
Putting Mirage Saloon on two lines makes it look better

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>>385612165
>modern shit

>>385612165
Grand Metropolis zone maybe?

Gotta have at least something from Heroes.

>>385612165
It's an unpopular suggestion but I was hoping Mania would have a 3D sonic game level re-imagined in 2D. Pumpkin Hill with classic 2D level design and music would have been LOTY.

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>>385612165
Why would I want 3D zones re-interpreted into 16-bit, that sounds terrible

All-new zones, or failing that, the "obscure" classic-era zones. I'm talking Game Gear, Chaotix, hell put a fucking SegaSonic Arcade zone in there. Anything before resorting to 3D Sonic stages. And for the record I don't even dislike the Adventures or the Boost titles, I just don't think they have any business being in Mania

>>385612303
Hang Castle or Mystic Mansion would be cool. The closest classic Sonic ever got to a "haunted" zone was Sandopolis Act 2 and kind of Mystic Cave.

>>385612360
A remake of Botanic Base or Marina Madness could be pretty cool. Hell, maybe even Isolated Island.

>>385605484
Im guessing you can bind your controller to an android emulator

>>385613115
Which Android emulator actually works and isn't filled to the brim with most likely adware or something.

>>385607651
Nah fuck that. Go for Sonic BTS and ATS. Though out of of all the bad games, Sonic and The Secret Rings was pretty good.

>>385604828
why are people waiting until now to shill this when it's existed for many years?

>>385614068
To get people to warm up for Mania of course.

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>>385604828
I'm so glad Cybershell is back
>The Sonic 2 bonus episode was released in my lifetime

>>385606892
no, the steam version of 3D blast is also the emulated genesis version, which is a shame because it looks and sounds much worse. i know because i have that turd from preordering sonic generations.

>>385611107
not seeing how that makes it less cute.

DS emu sucks I can never get the aspect ratio right. I just wanna play colours, everyone says it's good

>>385613439
>Go for Sonic BTS and ATS.
I can't really get into those, the physics are just not quite there and it really bugs me. And the fact that they barely run at all on a post XP system is a problem too.

>>385608435
>all of those awful Game Gear games,
You better not be including the Master System games in there without factoring in the fact that the GG versions are just bad ports, m80! Sonic 2 MS is top 3 Sonic material.

>>385614834
>post XP system is a problem too
They run on W10 fine for me, albeit with the cutscenes turned off.

>>385614834
Glad I'm not the only one who thought ATS and BTS are weird. They don't really feel like sequels or prequels with how busy some of the level design is compared to the games they're following up on and the enemy design is ass.

>>385615057
Not really running right then, is it? As I recall they have no joystick support either. I know Joy2key is a thing, but it shouldn't need to be. To have a Sonic game be designed to be played with keyboard only, arrow keys no less, it's a terrible design flaw.

>>385615161
>Not really running right then, is it?
I gusss not, but the cutscenes were never important to me in the first place; keyboard controls don't bother me either, are they really that detrimental to the experience?
>>385615137
>enemy design is ass
Particularly the bosses, they've all been fairly forgettable.

>>385613215
>I dont know what question marks are and as a result other anons have no fucking clue this is a question.

KYS下さい。

>>385615441
>are they really that detrimental to the experience?
No, not for most players I should think as one can use Joy2key to get around it anyway but it does go to exemplify the amatuer status of the game. Somebody who couldn't into computers at all would be forced to use a bad control scheme and that's quite a problem.

It's true I'm nitpicking for no reason now, I don't even remember why I brought it up. I don't hate the games or anything, but I would recommend any decent romhack over them.

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>>385604828
I'm playing it right now and I'm too shit at the special stages to get all the super emeralds.
I've had to start from scratch three times by now.

>>385616643
Blue Spheres is the easiest special stage of the four classic ones. You gotta learn the timing for jumping over red ones without touching them. Also always make rings by outlining boxes of spheres. Don't even bother getting the rings.

>>385616643
Just do what I did and play through the game as Super Sonic and play the super emerald stages through the level select

I'm getting my ass handed to me by Labyrinth zone robotnigg.
What's the trick?
>Inb4 Gitgud

>>385618640
don't panic and go for a jump too early

>>385618640
Beat the stage not the boss

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Holy hell why the fuck is Taxman's Sonic 1 only on mobile? I've never been so pissed off trying to get these Chaos Emeralds. And fucking Labyrinth is giving me migraines

>>385610587
It's not even canon to begin with. You only get the Egg Robo ending with Super Sonic and that leads into Knuckles' story

That's all well and good, but where's the sonic 2 bonus video?

>>385618640
Literally just focus. It's a vertical platforming challange, not an actual boss.

>>385606272

This re-releases were just redistributions of the original game.

From most cases I've read, they fall in some sort of grey area where some licensing rights of the original release still apply as long as they're not changed from the original presentation in any form.

>>385618640
Focus on the platforming, not Robotnik himself

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>>385619236
>tfw had no trouble clearing the game with all emeralds using only the touchscreen
They're honestly some of the better touchscreen controls I've used for a game.

>no option to change music to FM synthesiser
wow it's yet again a load of fucking nothing. sonic fans really are braindead retard faggots.

>>385619880
The controls are responsive enough for touchscreen, but a lot of the times my jumps are just eaten due to lack of feedback and I'm stuck having to reset constantly. I got all 6, but only so I don't have to do so again

This shit needs to be on a real system

>>385615137

I never got the praise for the games. They're not that good and Sonic handles like he has shoes made of lead

>>385620019
One of the main troubles I had was when I accidentally rolled into a ball instead of jumping cause my thumb was on the screen slightly wrong. It didn't happen very often, but it happened and it was annoying when it did. The Sonic 1/Sonic 2 remakes being put on Steam would be a complete dream.

>>385620140
It's mostly the music that people praise.

>we'll never see wide-screen S3complete
Niggas, it's been done with lua scripting and emutors before. We simply need a competent enough programmer to work their way with bizhawk
https://youtu.be/4ieh4TtbvDc

>>385619880

There's barely anything in Sonic that demands the use of a controller. You move left or right, press down and have just one action button. The mobile ports have some nice beefy controller layouts that the only reason you would be fucking up button presses is if your fat thumb was in the way

>>385604828
Its crazy how a few days before this video was made I was wondering if someone made a s3&k patch that restored the sonic 3 extra life jingle but didnt think anyone would cater to my autism

Shouldn't have underestimated the sonic fanbase

>>385620512
It's totally possible considering some PJ64 has hacks to make the games widescreen even if it makes the huds and transitions look utterly retarded

But goddamn is that gonna take some time. We might get Taxman's S3&K before S3C sees widescreen support. But who knows, maybe a miracle can happen

>>385620695
The tactile responsiveness of a controller beats the no feedback of a touchscreen any day.

>>385614374
I remember colors DS being rather barebones, but It's been so long I can't really remember the details.
I preferred rush/rushadventure

>>385622639
It's basically Sonic Rush 3, but the zones felt quite barren. They invented some new gimmicks for some zones though which was nice I guess, but it's really just a barebones Sonic Rush. Best thing to come out of it is it's special stage music.

>>385622639
It's a watered down Rush without Blaze with random characters making forced cameos all over the place and a dumb as fuck final boss just because Dimps jerks off to Super Sonic final bosses based on Sonic Colors

Generations 3DS has a lot less to offer, but was just a much more interesting game

>>385619236
>Holy hell why the fuck is Taxman's Sonic 1 only on mobile?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S26_mL8U8bg&feature=youtu.be&t=29m39s

>>385622983
>2 years ago
>Sega's already finished up their 3 Sonic game contract

What's the excuse now?

>>385608435
Shadow the Hedgehog and chicken is amazing you faggot

>>385623193
Dunno, guess they're waiting for mania to come out now, because I'd guess they don't want to burn people out with classic Sonic games.

>>385623468
I expect a couple months or so after Mania's release they'll sneak them on Steam and consoles.

Guys what's better, the Taxman remakes or the 3DS remakes of 1 and 2?

>>385623639
Taxman remakes by far. They're the legit best way to play Sonic 1, 2 or CD at this point.

>>385623639
3DS benefits
>Spin Dash

Taxman benefits
>Spin Dash
>Tails & Knuckles
>Option to get a 7th Chaos Emerald
>16:9, 60 FPS

>>385623740
A 7th emerald? How?

>>385623639
The Taxman remakes are the definitive versions of each classic game, this is not up to debate.

>>385623803
I believe if you do No Save Mode and activate the Level Select you have the options to fuck around and raise the max emerald count to 7 instead of 6

It'll make all characters Super, even Tails

>>385623892
How do you activate a level select in no save mode? Of course he'd sneak something like this in.

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>>385605440
>tfw Mania comes with unlockable Sonic 3 and Knuckles: Taxman Edition

>>385623993
You tap S E G A and touch the title screen with two fingers.

>>385623993
>Start a "No Save" game and choose a character. Once the Sega logo appears, tap the letters S-E-G-A in that order. If done correctly, a chime will sound. Then on the main screen tap and hold with two fingers. You will then be taken to the level select screen.

Sonic Retro is a good friend

>>385610898
Hi Sonic Retro

>>385624173
>>385624121
How cheeky. I'll try this out later.

>>385604828

>Play Sonic 3 & Knuckles
>Suddenly don't have a need to play mania

woah

>>385624350
>Play Sonic 2
>Suddenly don't have a need to play Sonic 3&K

woah

>>385624350
>>385624527
>Play Sonic 1
>Suddenly don't have a need to play Sonic 2 or 3&K

WOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAH

>>385624527
>Play Sonic at all
>Suddenly don't have a need to play Sonic at all

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>>385623879
>Have always been saying this
>Someone always has to chime in with how "shit" the controls are because they can't do the touch controls

>>385624754
They are objectively better technically and it's a complete waste they're cursed to remain on such a terrible medium

Advanced mobile phones were a mistake

>>385624754
They're some of the best touch controls for a game on a phone that I've used. It took a second to get into them and then I learned that you don't even need to put your fingers on the button or d-pad graphics to register input and I was on my way.

>>385624350
>>385624527
>>385624660
>>385624743
Stellar chain, boys.

>>385623639
The 3DS versions aren't ports, they're patched ROMs running in an emulator built from scratch.

>>385604828
Been meaning to finall play 3&K for awhile after liking 2 and CD

Watched your video, what settings should I use ingame for the ideal experience? S3C seems really customizable and all I really know is that the PC songs are shit.

>>385624527
>playing sonic 2

>>385624754
Shut up slut.

>>385625191
S3C is done in a way that it defaults to basically everything that was in Sonic 3 only instead of Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Mostly different music and object layouts, while also fixing a lot of bugs and changing things like making turning into Super Sonic multi-button so you don't just insta-shield with 50 rings and now you're super when you don't want to be. You can also turn it off as well by just pressing two buttons again.

>>385614120

i wish he didnt sound like he was about to burst into tears at all times

>>385625424
Cool, thanks anon

I'm assuming this works on most emulators? Hoping it works fine on my raspberry pi

>>385626609
It works fine on Genesis Plus GX through Retroarch, which I know there's a Pi version of.

>>385626609
It's a romhack, works on any Genesis emulator. With a flash cart you'd even be able to play on the real console

>>385626669
I've noticed Genesis Plus GX actually has trouble with a bunch of hacks, usually making the hack crash the emulator or make it hard reset. They all work on Picodrive though which is basically made of duct tape and speedhacks.

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>You have to be connected to the internet to play the mobile ports

>>385627064
Because of ads. Anyways if you have a shit 3G connection it should play just fine without advertising.

>>385604828
this has been a thing for years, why have there been so many threads on it recently?
It's kinda weird

>>385627642
Because of Sonic Mania's upcoming release, obviously.

>>385610380

>Super Emeralds

I loathe Blue Sphere as is, but making me do it twice over is horseshit

>>385628009
>I loathe Blue Sphere
Faggot.

>>385628009
Blue Sphere is better then Halfpipe at least.

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>>385612165
>If a mania 2 were to happen
>were

>which 3D zones
>wanting more needless retreads
I just don't understand.

>>385628112

Sorry, I prefer UFO / Sonic Spinball 100% ring collection bonus stages Thankfully, Mania caters to the former of my tastes.

>>385628170

Halfpipe sucks dicks but it's pathetically easy. Particularly as Knuckles in Sonic 2

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>>385628009

God I hope Taxman doesn't listen to you. I'm going to be very disappointed if Mania is S3K big but only has 7 items to collect.

>>385627064
Since fucking when, S2 works fine on my phone even in airplane mode

>>385604828
I already have this on my 3DS though.

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>>385612165

MOTHER
FUCKING
SKY
DECK

>>385604828
I'm playing a definitive version!

>>385628391
They wouldn't remove the super emeralds without replacing them with something else, or so I hope.

>>385628391
Iizuka said that there's "something new" to collect but at the same time we've already seen Chaos Emeralds in Eggman's art and the Special Stages.

You know how the throwback stages have Eggman bosses but the new stages have Heavy bosses? It wouldn't surprise me if it's the same deal with Special Stage collectibles - the old zones and the new zones have separate sets of Specials, the old ones containing Chaos Emeralds and the new ones containing whatever Mania's hot new macguffin turns out to be.

>want to unlock hyper sonic
>don't want to do the annoying as fuck blue sphere

>>385626245
I love his tone of voice. He sounds sarcastic about everything he says because he knows his youtube channel is built upon the world's worst fanbase that complains that he says "fuck" too much.

>>385628391

Super Emeralds are off limits, so there'll either be a new macguffin or they'll bring back the Time Stones/Chaos Rings.

>>385628669
It's not that hard, anon. The Super Sonic blue sphere stages are easy to complete. Don't bother with the super emerald ones.

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>>385628391

>>385628691
He's got the voice of someone that has to deal with comments made by obviously little kids saying how much his opinions are bad or if he's using no-PC language.

>>385628848
I have to do the super emerald ones for hyper sonic.

>>385628848
the super emerald ones (which are really just S&K's stages) aren't that much harder with the exception of maybe the last two, and even then they just have a certain trick that you need to remember going into them in order to beat it

Sonic Time Twisted had the best special stage. Racing Metal Sonic was more fun and less cancerous than both half pipe and blue sphere.

>>385628980
Well if you want Hyper Sonic so bad, just suck it up and do them. Hell, use savestates or rewinding so you don't have to keep finding secret rings.
After you've completed them all you don't need to do them again.

>>385628980
if you're too much of a casual to play the super emerald stages, just don't enter any giant rings in the s&k half and you can keep super sonic

seriously though, it took me less than three tries per stage to figure out the tricks to all of the hard ones. cmon son

>>385628391

>I'm on my high horse because I like repeating content!

You're the reason why mobile games are so popular with the sheep masses.

>>385629125
>repeating content!
What? The Super Emerald Special Stages aren't repeated content.

>>385629113
It's not about them being too hard, just not enjoyable and doing it 14 times (not including failures) is really tedious. Not to mention the horrible music.

>>385629234
with all due respect, that is the shittiest taste i've seen in this thread

>>385628884
>that plot synopsis
Isn't that just Sonic: Mega Drive?

>>385628391
Sorry anime slut, but they already confirmed there's only the 7 Chaos Emeralds and nothing else.

>>385629350
Well, I guess? They probably aren't collecting gears though.

>>385629361
>and nothing else

no super emeralds =/= nothing else

>>385628391
they answered this at the SDCC panel
sonic team decided ages ago that they didn't want to keephaving to make more powerful versions of super sonic and compared it to dragon ball

>>385629304

Blue Sphere is fucking awful and not fun to play.

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Can't say the whole US OST in Sonic CD is terrible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyOkzf5cAJA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfC-70XKFfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYTedTVAdeY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3Ekm3ZI6DU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iESefQmp6xk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLqNUvVqpmI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMlKRL0_lA8
These are the best versions of each zone of the US version, and I must say, listening to it again makes me think the Western soundtrack was actually kind of good.

>>385629835
Wrong on both ends.

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>>385629835

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>>385629835

>>385629835
Blue Sphere is repetitive and you end up playing the first 2-3 over and over again.

Ideally they should have mixed up the order, the other bonus stages in 3&K are randomized so why not?

>>385629938
Palmtree Panic and Metallic Madness are awful compared to the JP versions. The rest of the zones have decent to good music though.

>>385629938
US OST is pretty good, it's just generally agreed the JP OST is just more fitting to Sonic for the most part. Personally it just inherently bugs me the Past theme is consistent between both versions, so that's why I end up preferring the JP OST

>>385629938
I've been playing Sonic CD with the US soundtrack recently after being a JP only guy for the longest time and some of the tracks are honestly not that bad. I like some the vocal sampling they used in some of the tracks like in Tidal Tempest. Probably just the Sonic Boom singer.

Sonic 3 is still superior. 6 long stages, 3 of which are good, it's as good as it gets. 3&K is a travesty.

>>385630351
>Carnival Night
>Marble Garden

>Good

>>385630351
>Missing out on Flying Battery, Lava Reef and Death Egg

3&K still superior

>have to play the same boring special stage 14 times to get the full experience
>uunga buunga blue sphere GOOD!! Me have fun

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>>385629835

>>385630172
>>385630218
>>385630313
Sonic CD is AIDS.

>>385630442
>>385630485
Marble Garden is very good and memorable, Flying Battery is the most monotonous and shitty stage in the whole franchise. Otherwise agreed.

>>385629938
Yeah the US ost is good on it's own

>>385630575
>Flying Battery is the most monotonous and shitty stage in the whole franchise
(You)

>>385604828
I already did years ago. I really appreciated that they went as far as putting the S&K Collection music in the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As0XgK31dSc

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>>385630505
Anything's better than Pukebag Zone or Half-Pipe. In honestly Special Stages actually aren't that fun in most games

>>385630575
>Sonic CD is AIDS.
>Flying Battery is the most monotonous and shitty stage in the whole franchise.

You're funny

>>385630505
yeah, they're fun unlike the barely controllable sonic 1 special stages and the complete shitfest that is half-pipe
>>385630575
>Sonic CD is AIDS.
i want you and everyone with similarly supremely shit tastes to fuck off

>>385630545
>>385630073
>>385630026
>>385629989

Wait, there's actually a fucking defense force for this shit? Guess you learn something new every day.

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>>385630575
>Sonic CD is AIDS
>Marble Garden is very good and memorable, Flying Battery is the most monotonous and shitty stage in the whole franchise

>>385630694
I loathe every special stage honestly, they're never fun.

>>385630820
i love cd and flying battery. what's wrong with marble garden though?

>>385630641
>>385630694
>>385630820
How long has it been since you played Sonic and Knuckles? Here's a map of Flying battery:

http://www.soniczone0.com/games/sonicandknuckles/downloads/sk-fbz-act1map.png

Notice something? It's all ONE PATH. In a franchise DEFINED by it multiple paths. Compare to Marble Gardens, which you so callously shat on:

http://www.soniczone0.com/games/sonic3/downloads/s3-mgz-act1map.png

http://www.soniczone0.com/games/sonic3/downloads/s3-mgz-act2map.png

It is you who are the plebs.

>>385630719
Sonic CD is rightfully hated by everyone who isn't trying to be a super-special hipster. You could play it for minutes and not run into a single stage hazard, and that includes enemies. That's not a game.

>>385630575
>Marble Garden is very good
Everytime I replay sonic 3 marble garden always puts a frown on my face, the top and general obstacles are awful I'm sorry I can have way more fun in carnival night than that zone any day. Flying battery is a bit overrated but still a pretty good zone too

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>>385630820
Its bait

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The only level in S3K that I hardly enjoy is Sandopolis Zone. It's this weird, awkward level that takes place just after Launch Base, Mushroom Hill and Flying Battery, where it seems like action and events are happening in all of those levels, but Sandopolis is just... there, sitting awkwardly between Flying Battery and Lava Reef. It's this level that lasts WAY too long, isn't even very fun gimmick wise, and just prolongs you getting to the climax of the story.

I mean, it's just an artifact of them splitting the game into two cartridges, so maybe the level would've played differently if Sonic 3 was done the way it was meant to be.

>>385623193

considering it's known that mania was originally just the 1 and 2 ports with a smaller game on the side I feel like it's more of a "when" than an "if."

Though I'm sure Sega will say "but you already got classic sonic with mania why do you want these godlike ports on something other than a fucking phone?"

>>385630932
Autism

>>385630813
Look, we know you suck at Blue Sphere, but you can't hate it solely because of that. It's like shitting on the Sonic 2 half pipe or the ring mechanic of Knuckles Chaotix. Just because you are bad at them doesn't mean they suck. Git fucking gud.

>>385630813
Sorry to say that your shitty taste is in the minority, champ.

Playing Sonic Classic Heroes right now.

It's damn fun having elemental shields and switching between Sonic and Tails on the fly. But holy fuck, this hack is buggy. I've already softlocked twice. Unless the creator releases a new version that fixes these bugs, it's definitely not superior to Taxman's Sonic 2 despite all the bells and whistles.

>>385628112
Blue sphere is stupidly disorienting and it can be exceedingly easy to get lost in. The UFO shit in CD is much easier to navitage and much more fun, even if actually hitting the UFOs leads to some guess work.

>>385628170
If you could actually see shit in the distance than half pipe would be fine. On the genesis version shit's a pain though.

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>>385631004
>It's like shitting on the Sonic 2 half pipe or the ring mechanic of Knuckles Chaotix

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>>385629938
>best versions of UIS
>not bad future for metallic madness

Also CD has a great OST in general. I'm someone who listens to every track in an album, discography, or soundtrack, and then I nitpick the tracks I want from it. I have every track from Sonic CD JP and many of them from US.

>>385631004
I feel like Sonic is way too heavy in Halfpipe. Getting rings is a hassle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN_P0BtSuiM
>S&K collection has bad mu-

>>385631004

I like the half pipe though. I honestly don't understand how anyone can like Blue Sphere but okay.

>>385604828
Why would the Genesis games not be the definitive versions?

>>385631074
I heard the JP soundtrack was based on the vibe of "new jack swing" which after listening to some songs in the genre I can see the connection.

>>385605440
>taxman Sonic 1 and 2 still haven't released on consoles/PC yet

what gives?

>>385624527
Unironically this. Sonic 2 is the best fucking Sonic game ever made. Sonic 3 is just mediocre and makes me wish I was playing 2 more.

>>385630945
If Sonic 3&K were Complete, Flying Battery would've taken place before fuckin Ice Cap

Meaning after an intense climax with Launch Base, it would lead into a breather level (Mushroom Hill/Valley) and then what's essentially the game equivalent of filler (Sandopolis) before getting to the good shit again with Lava Reef

It really would have had bizarre as fuck pacing

>>385631004
>>385631069
The Ring mechanic of KC I legitimately think is amazing and has a lot of depth to it in a 2 player playthrough, it's just that the stage design itself is too garbage to do anything interesting with it. I would kill to get a game with that mechanic that is designed around 2 player and is actually built around it.

When you start playing with it the mechanic seems very difficult to control and annoying, but when both players know how to use it it's very fun and interesting.

>>385631154
Taxman remade them all but from the ground up and with a better physics engine he made himself.

>>385631109
That's the inferior version though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heLtFnLqmUo

>>385631213
No, that's how Sonic always is. Star Light Zone is sandwiched between the two hardest Zones.

>>385629938

I vastly prefer the JP soundtrack but I'll admit Tidal Tempest US beats Tidal Tempest JP any day

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>>385629938
>>385630218
>>385630313
>>385630621
>>385631074

Fun fact about the US OST, the female vocal samples in most of the tracks are present because of Amy.

Spencer Nilsen the lead composer had to rush out the OST as quickly as possible and heard that Sonic CD had a 'female character in it' and developed the style accordingly, which is also why it sounds so unfitting in parts.

Source: A recent interview on the Overclocked Podcast. http://ocremix.org/community/topic/44646-43-spencer-nilsen-part-1/

Spencer seems like a pretty swell guy and I'm curious about what his Sonic CD music would've sounded like with more time but hearing remixes of his work compelled him to write music for video games again so that's neat.

>>385631246
It's a fun gimmick but that's still all it is. The game doesn't really have much substance outside that gimmick and is way too long for its own good

>>385631295
I'm just talking about Sandopolis' placement. Breather Zones are a staple of the Classic games, like Sky Chase

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>>385629938
>no https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRcR0v6I_w8
you're shit m8

>>385631359
They both create completely different moods which are both good in their own ways.

>>385631213
It's possible Launch Base would've been downplayed a bit story wise (aka no dramatic Big Arms fight).

All that really happened anyway is that Eggman tried to fart the Death Egg back into space on his own, fails, and then when he breaks the fucking ceiling of Hidden Palace, went for the Master Emerald as a last-ditch effort.

>>385630351

3 isn't bad, but aside from sandopolis every level in Knuckles is better than anything in 3

>>385631373
Most of the Sonic CD Us tracks don't even loop properly, so you could definitely tell it's rushed.

>>385630218
the past themes were made using genesis hardware and would have taken too much time to replace them

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>>385631467
Yeah, forgot that one. Wanted to replace Wacky Workbench Good Future with Present but I replaced SS Bad Future instead. Guess I'm too retarded.

>>385631512
What little plot 3 had was so fucking dumb. Who even cares if Angel Island is flying or not?

Fuck you faggot ass niggers. The 2D games can get discussions like these but the 3D games can't? Give me a fucking break. Suck my whole wet dick you subhuman pieces of garbage. Kys.

>>385631373
I don't think it sounds unfitting. I actually like the female singer parts.

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>>385631685

>>385631512
It is downplayed a bit in 3&K to begin with, carrying both a climax feeling for S3 and being a good halfway point in 3&K

I personally love Launch Base a lot. It's a very interesting Zone and probably S3 stand alone's best

>>385631683
Knuckles, one of the main characters and the new one introduced for the games

It's less trying to save the floating island and more trying to stop Eggman

>>385631685
There's nothing to discuss for the 3D games

>Boy I love this glitchy unplayable gameplay
>I really enjoy the rares moments I can just play as Sonic instead of his gimmick shit friends
>man the most fun part of the entire game is me raising a retarded Tamogatchi, that's what Sonic is all about

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>>385631685
Adventurecuck detected.

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>>385631685
The shills aren't paid to "hype" anything but Mania.

In fact I'm pretty sure you couldn't pay people to make 3D Sonic look good.

>>385630575
>Flying Battery is the most monotonous and shitty stage in the whole franchise

You're fucking retarded.

>Marble Garden is very good and memorable

The big balls on chains that swing back and forth and the enemies are annoying and can fuck you over if you're going fast, but the stage honestly catches too much shit.

CD is also a solid game.

>>385630694
>In honestly Special Stages actually aren't that fun in most games

Agreed, shit's a pain and I hate how hard it deviates from the core gameplay.

>>385630945
Sandpolis catches far too much shit. The first zone is a bit dull but has some solid paths to it, the second zone has a lot of decently challenging and fun things going on.

>Restore Sonic 3-style presentation where this was changed in Sonic 3 & Knuckles
What exactly was changed? Maybe I never noticed when I played it on the genesis, but I never recalled them looking all that different from one another.

>>385631685
It's cause the 2D games are good while the 3D games are bad, duh.

>>385631785
>Oh man I really wanna fuck Rouge anyone else feel this way???

>>385631841
Even Mario has more branching paths than Flying Battery. What a fucking joke.

>>385631257
That sounds dumb.

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>>385631825

>We'll never get a Sonic Battle sequel, with more fleshed-out combat, AI, and HD spritework

why even live

>>385631004
Blue Sphere gives you a super limited line of sight and makes you navigate fairly sizable maps sometimes, I honestly can't see how anyone likes it. It's like navigating a big dark room with a bad flashlight.

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>>385631685

>>385631685
How about you fuck off

>>385631843
Some alterations to the level design, mostly in Launch Base to make it feel more like a final level and make the difficulty curve more difficult in stand-alone Sonic 3

And a lot of changes to the music

>>385631843
Sonic 3 Complete makes Launch Base final level hard again with replaced objects that were removed before.

>>385631868
bad to you, elder god tier to me

>>385631843
S&K removes like a third of most Sonic 3 stages to give Knuckles """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""exclusive"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" content. Like that invisible fan right at the start of Hydrocity.

>>385631685
reminder that adventure 3 is literally NEVER EVER happening

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what's the consensus on webm related? I like the music even though it isn't god tier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg6_w70HfQc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAEE0x6kY8U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veA8GgDC6Sc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUVzWm3NipQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PU9YFFf3oQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dstnmEWVE58

and my favorite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnoT0FF7PJs

>>385632225
No anon, you have to remind them: It happened back in 2006.

>>385632250
It being a fangame that was actually finished like BTS/ATS is a feat in on itself.

>>385604828
I don't like Sonic 3 & Knuckles

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>Ice Cap Zone is usually pointed out to be the mountain range on Angel Island
>Act 2 takes place along an ocean

It took me awhile to realize that in Sonic 3, since the Floating Island isn't floating, that this is probably glaciers and ice falling off the Floating Island into the ocean, rather than some in-explainable lake on the island somewhere. Probably means that Act 2 takes place on the coast line opposite of Angel Island Act 1.

I always preferred 3 over knuckles. Something about the zones and the music that I always liked more.

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>>385632038
No, why don't YOU fuck off? This just goes to show much little fucking braincells you lot have to have such a hiveminded sort of thinking and to be this deluded. "DURR ALL 2D GAEMS GUD! 3D? BAYYYYYYYYYD" You're all living in a bubble that needs to be popped. Kys niggers

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Metropolis > Casino > Hill > Chemical > Mystic >>>>>> Emerald > Wing > Sky >>>>>>> Aquatic > Oil

>>385632250
It looks like your everyday bad Sonic fangame.

>>385604828
>QoL improvements: the romhack
Sure, sounds good to me.

Still didn't fix the super jittery camera movement when using ceiling grips in flying battery
Still didn't fix some broken level sprites

>>385632225
Sonic Unleashed was Adventure 3, and it was fantastic. It honestly needs a sequel because wolf Sonic wasn't too bad as a character and the gameplay would've been great with a few tweaks to Exp gain and more combos.

>>385632250
I feel like it's way better than BTS and ATS, despite some weird design choices (like the final boss). Engines smoother, graphics are more polished, and the level design feels more like a Sonic game.

>>385632438
I find Sonic 2's Zone aesthetic not as appealing compared to 1, CD or 3&K for some reason. A lot of the levels just seem a bit too simple in design for my tastes

Can't tell if 2 has the best Sonic sprite though

>>385632407
Same. Both games are front-loaded with all the good shit too, so there's almost no need to keep playing after the first few stages.

By the time you get to Lava Reef, you're so sick of Sonic that you can't appreciate it like those first few minutes of angel island.

>>385632610
>Sonic Unleashed was Adventure 3
No, that was 06.

Are there any games besides 1, 2, 3&K and CD I should play before Mania?

>>385632438
hill top zone is the epitome of a filler level in a sonic game. remove that shit and the flow of the game would improve.

>>385632559
Stop nitpicking and enjoy the fucking hack

>>385632762
Knuckles Chaotix if you hate yourself.

>>385632762
you could try time twisted or megamix I suppose.

>>385631359
Though Tidal Tempest Bad Future US is a lot better than the JP one.

>>385632762
Could try the Master System games for what it's worth. Sonic Advance 1 is the best non-Classic 2D game since it plays the most like the originals, even though they fucked up the Chaos Emeralds

>>385632785
Oil Ocean is more filler than Hill Top. It's the last normal Zone in the game, if you can believe it or not

>>385632762
Mega Man, Earthworm Jim etc

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>>385631685
>>385632610
Sonic Unleashed unironically has the best soundtrack of ANY Sonic game.

>>385632559
What sprites are still broken? I know they fixed all of the Super Sonic sprites.

>>385632762
Nah there's really no need to play any other Sonic game. The rest of the games are either steaming piles of yak shit or not as good as the originals.

>>385632762
Before/After the Sequel, Time Twisted, or the Advance trilogy

>>385632987
It's good but too same-y at times. I like variety in my Sonic soundtracks. Also in-game, the shitty battle theme makes the great Night time music completely irrelevant. Really poor sound design.

>>385632438

>Metropolis #1

boy that better be a music list and not a level list or else you're mentally deficient.

>>385604828
Because I wanna find a copy of Mario 3Mix before Nintendo scrubs all the roms off the net, while Sonic 3 Complete will be there for when I'm ready for it just before Mania hits.

>>385632987
In terms of quantity, yes. The individual themes aren't as strong as Sonic 3's or even Sonic Run's.

The night/day arrangements are pretty pointless too, you can tell way more effort was put into one of them. Aptos Day and Spagonia Night are leagues above their counterparts.

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*blocks your path*

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>>385633156
>too samey
>when each zone is a unique environment with a unique culture's music
The only same-y part is the day and night hub music because they're literally supposed to be just that. The actual stage music in day and night, and the music between each region is incredibly diverse.

>>385632987

I still hold that Rooftop Run (both Day in Unleashed and Modern in Generations) is the best level in any platformer ever made and a top 3 contender for best level in any game period.

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>>385633351
This boss was absolutely cancer because he took like 20 hits to kill and had like 40 seconds of doing fucking nothing before you could hit him.

>>385633386
Same-y as in the genre. Yeah they have different styles according to the country and level trope, but it's still the same two genres of music: all the daytime levels are Drum and Bass songs that blend in together and all the nighttime stages are Jazz. They're good but that's literally the only two types of music in the whole game. Compare that to Adventure's soundtrack which has so many different styles of music and instrumentation in it.

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>>385633286
It's like the only stage in the franchise with actual platforming. And unlike Wing Fortress you don't instantly die when going fast.

>>385633128
Mania being basically a 3&K continuation is all I needed to hear to keep on living.

>>385633679
>It's like the only stage in the franchise with actual platforming
Oh, you're just retarded. Okay.

>>385605417
What? If anything it's more special to someone who has played 3K a hundred times, due to all the bug fixes and QoL stuff it adds.

>>385633612
Kind of sad when the rest of the bosses were pretty good

>>385633645
Why the fuck does Adventure 1 still have one of the most varied and interesting OSTs of all the 3D games? Ever since Adventure 2 they always leaned hard towards a single genre and it's so dull, so much of the music sounds the exact same

>>385633732
Love replies like this, 0 argument with the lingering implication that I hadn't beaten Sonic 2 before you were born.

>>385633679
The platforming isn't very good though

>>385632610
I love Sonic Unleashed's levels and music, but I wouldn't call it fantastic.

>>385633679
>It's like the only stage in the franchise with actual platforming
are you fucking kidding me

>>385633812
Half of SA1's soundtrack was Sonic 3D Blast revisits.

>>385633951
>Half

Overestimation and you know it, there's like maybe 3 and that's implying 3D Blast didn't have a pretty good OST also

>>385625191
Just play the original for your first time will be the most faithful way to go. 3&K has little to no problem to begin with anyway.
3C, although recommended by many, feels somewhat different from the original experience to me.

>>385634057
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>>385634057

>>385633645
The fuck are you on about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7N8ioyflQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFoQKhQK7YI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek0u-v_0X28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OynNsybKvqk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF4oUJcTfVI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8rkKEHv8zA

And this isn't even the zones yet. I could post plenty that aren't just D&B/Jazz for day/night of those. They're all fast paced for day and slower paced for night, but that's for obvious reasons.

>>385612165
A chaotix stage please, either Isolated Island, Botanic Garden, or Marina Madness

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>>385634197
oh accidentally posted the jungle joyride zone night song instead of the hub world one.

That's a good example of a night track that isn't Jazz though.

>>385634197
Literally 4 out of 6 songs you posted fall under Jazz or D&B. Exactly my point.

>>385612165
S K Y S C R A P E R S C A M P E R night

>>385632250

>Sonic games have some sick fonts and title cards
>This just throws in a shitty as fuck font

>>385632250
Is that the fucking Metal Sonic from the British comics?

>>385634197
all the daytime stages are drum and bass, just like he said. and the shamar track isnt a stage.

>>385634496
Metallix, bro. Get it right.

>>385632663
I think you can blame the cut content for that. Especially for trying to bring time travel into the mix, they probably had to make it obvious one zone was before time travel, the future zone would be after.

However, with some zones cut, it looks like a random mix of zones as opposed to a line that flows.

How many of you here are from /sthg/?

has there been a leak yet of all the stages in mania? any confirmation what sonic 3 level is coming? was pretty retarded how they shafted 3 in generations for no reason.

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>>385634496

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXq683cMrbA

I don't get it.

>>385634057
I hate that meme music guy

>>385634525
I suppose that's true, but they're not samey at all in their actual rhythm. Just the genre.

>>385634615
Nobody. /sthg/ is a shithole of comicfags, people unironically sharing OCs and waifu shitposting. The only good thing I remember them doing is gifting a Mania copy to a poor anon.

>>385634667
>he hasn't seen the nigger sonic leaks

>>385634851
The artist formally known as Tomposter got a copy of mania from some guy here

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>>385634609
To be fair Sonic 1 or CD's zone flow isn't that much better. Marble led into shit like Spring Yard and Tidal Tempest into Quartz Quadrant. Only Sonic 3&K bothered with consistency, and that's only through stage transitions

At least 2 bothered to have the last 3 Zones essentially be one on-going plot

Sonic was never good. Period.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w39Gtqelko

>>385634667
No. All we know of is Green Hill, Chemical Plant, Flying Battery, Stardust Speedway, Studiopolis, Mirage Saloon and the special stage.

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>>385632762
Dr Robotnick's Mean Bean machine.

>>385634957
Not talking aboug me______, another anon got a gifted copy in /sthg/ a while ago too.

>>385635057
>yet another Youtuber jumping on the "HOW 2 FIX SANIC" bandwagon for views
Yawn

>>385635098
>Robotnick

>>385632438
>Chemical plant zone above Mystic cave

No. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gxnv0mBeU4

>>385635057
Stop shilling your shitty videos faggot

>>385634981
The act/zone transitions in Sonic 3 were some of the best things to happen in the series to that point, making everything seem more connected.

>>385633009
Some small things like a sand slope sprite missing just before the sandopolis act 2 boss, and a couple more that I don't remember.

>>385632824
Oh I did enjoy it.

>>385635057
Another one of these bloody videos. I blame that Game Grumps thing for all this shit.

>>385635057
I wanna punch that faggot in the face

>>385635225
oops

>>385630932
>Notice something? It's all ONE PATH. In a franchise DEFINED by it multiple paths
literally fucking untrue shitposter, neck yourself

>>385630932
That flying battery map has mutiple paths that I'm surprised you didn't see with your flagrant fucking autism

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>>385629602
Why do they keep super knuckles away tho? He could go super with 7 chaos emeralds and there's no super emerald involved.

If they talk about hedgehogs only bullshit they're contradicting themselves, plus burning blaze exists.
So there's absolutely no reason to block super knuckles other than pure nonsense.

>>385635225
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-MwA89x5Kc

>>385635460
I nominate this one as the absolute worst of them all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6ak3ebBep0

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>>385635749
Iizuka autism. Only 3D Hedgehogs can go Super

If you want genuine proof the most evil people are the ones that don't know they are, Iizuka will prove it for you

>>385635749
>>385635919
They never said anything about Knuckles not being able to go super in Mania.

>>385635861
These typos are triggering me in unbelievable ways. Also,
>8 emeralds
SegaSonic was a better Arcade game

>>385612165
Hang Castle and Mystic Mansion easily

>>385635749
I'd assume that for some reason hedgehogs are like Saiyans and can be the only ones who go "super Saiyan."

>>385635865
>that thumbnail
wew

>>385636005
He can go Super in the Taxman ports so it's likely Knux will get his shit back

I'm just talking in general after Sonic Adventure 2

>>385632987
literally amen_break.mp3 the game

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>>385636051
>we will never get SegaSonic the Hedgehog because of the trackball controls

>>385636209
>tfw using a trackball mouse right now so I could play segasonic with mame

>>385635865
>let's make a totally unrelated game and call it sanic
>let's force the player to double jump every time they need to attack
>let's hide under a obtuse menu a function that could be easily bound to shoulder buttons
why a visual designer should never be trusted with a game designer's job

>>385612165
Pyramid Cave is my favorite 3D level, but i don't think it would have much to offer in 2D
I guess i'd pick Radical Train just out of curiosity what would they do with it

>>385634981
The original level order for 1 makes more sense from a consistency standpoint (GH > Labyrinth > Marble > Star Light > Spring Yard > Scrap Brain) but Sega realized how fucked up the difficulty curve would've been if it stayed like that so they moved some zones around. It was a good idea from a gameplay perspective I think.

>>385635865
>the ideas on this video are going to become a real shit indietrash game
https://twitter.com/JavedLSterritt/status/852743184706711555

>>385635865
>arbitrary and inaccurate scale in the first graph

Nope. Shit.

>>385636562
Looks like a game someone made for their game design college course.

>>385636449
Marble isn't too out of wack considering it uses the same Grass as Green Hill. It just leaves Labyrinth this kind of odd man out that exists solely to exploit Sonic's weakness of water

One Anon posted that Sonic 1 manga based off the first game and Labyrinth was after "Clock Work" (Scrap Brain) and I wonder how much better Sonic would've been received if that was the level order, even if it's really fucking weird that the final level wouldn't have been a factory theme

>>385636562
>mfw Colors and Generations already achieved this movement with the Jump Dash and Stomp

>>385636730
Well I guess it still semi lived on in how Act 3 of Scrap Brain is a Labyrinth re-color.

>>385636209

How would you even emulate trackball controls reliably on a non-trackball system? The only thing I can think of is maybe some kinda touchscreen "trackball" on the bottom of the screen

>>385635865

I remember watching this a long while back and thinking that it'd probably make a mediocre but serviceable game in its own right but trying to turn sonic into something completely divorced from what it actually is would just be a disgustingly stupid idea.

>>385636562
couldn't be arsed with the youtube video; did anyone suggest this kind of gameplay for a sonic game?
are they retarded? this just looks like a run-of-the-mill 2d platformer with no staple elements of sonic like curved terrain or loop-de-loops