Which update was the beginning of the end? Which was the final

mannconomy or polycount

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The Jungle Update

mannconomy was the downfall and f2p killed it

The one that killed the demoknight

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Matchmaking

It honestly took away all my motivation to play. It somehow took the bad situation of only a few good servers to limiting the game down to a 12v12 setting and completely sucking the life out of the major communication aspects of the game

>>385596720
>beginning of the end
Mannconomy, or you could say the change to the item drop system that introduced a weekly drop cap which foreshadowed the mannconomy.
>final nail in the coffin
The uber update.

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>tonight's the night

>>385596896
lul you're new

>>385596720
Gun Mettle

Scout update was the beginning of the end. It was the first introduction of an item which was more of a joke than a genuine part of the aesthetic (Sandman). But it was so minor most people just overlooked it or didn't care. Then they did the same thing in the Heavy update with the Sandvich complete with "om nom nom" sound effects.

Spy/Sniper update was when shit started to get out of hand, with an item which was literally just throwing a jar of piss. It also added hats which marked the beginning of the game's rapid change from team FPS game to hat-based grinding/trading game.

Mannconomy with trading, crates and unusuals was the final nail.

>>385597026
>which was more of a joke than a genuine part of the aesthetic (Sandman).
How does it break aesthetic of the game?

>>385596720
>beginning of the end
whichever update removed those neat halloween paints because valve cared more about traders gaming the """economy""" than people getting cool shit

>final nail
mym, at least the game was actually playable before then

>beginning of the end
Sniper vs Spy, particularly with introducing the random item drop system.

>final nail in the coffin
Mannconomy, for obvious reasons.

>>385596720
Medic update was a sign for the worst. Next update is what showed where we were going and probably was the nail.

>>385596720
meet the scout

>>385597118
its brown

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>>385596720
>Which update was the beginning of the end?
none
>Which was the final nail in the coffin?
none
fuck off to overtwat if you hate it so much

>>385597204
>gold rush
>pyro
console orange box was the best version.

>>385596720
F2P killed community and Deus Ex items was the moment Valve stopped giving a shit about items. Yes, Mannconomy was beginning of an end, but still it was okay no matter what anons say, if valve would maintain artstyle and game remained P2P it would still be good as it is.

>>385597339
demo is brown too

>>385597528
?

>>385597118
It still mostly fits with the games visuals, but it was the first item that had a "joke" element. The game was never particularly realistic with rocket jumps, double jumps, teleporters, exploding into hibs, etc, but none of those things were played for laughs, they were still grounded in the game's cartoonish retro-future spy fiction aesthetic. It was all still dudes killing each other violently. Getting stunned by a baseball with little stars around your head was the first step into actual cartoon territory. Like I said it was minor but it was still there and the transgressions only got worse from then on.

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>>385596896
No anon, Matchmaking was the ACTUAL death of the game.

>>385597683
meh, there is nothing wrong with playing game for fun and sandman added a bit of variety to the game even though it wasn't variety that affected whether you win or lose the game, but as I said, pubs are not for competitive games

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>lul tf2 is dead
Fuck off

You may not like Quickplay better than Casual, but Casual just needed to happen at some point and matchmaking was the natural next step for the game.

How you feel about how it was executed is another thing entirely.

>>385598309
*You may not like Casual better than Quickplay

Sorry messed up there.

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>>385598246
>2016
>massive african inmigrations
>2183
>men devolved into monkeys

>>385598309
could you elaborate on how matchmaking was the next step for tf2? i've never heard an argument like that before

>>385597397
Imagine being this much of a shitbaby you think people who complain about the shallow empty husk of a game that is TF2 is an "Overtwat"

>>385598246
But tf2 is dead?

>>385596896

You're still able to find dedicated servers that aren't 12v12, right? Or is it only matchmaking now?

>>385596720
>the beginning of the end
Gun Mettle

>Which was the final nail in the coffin?
Meet your match

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>>385596720
>Which update was the beginning of the end?
The first one, because ALL multiplayer games are continuously dying a slow death. It's amazing so many people have played TF2 for so long.
>Which was the final nail in the coffin?
None, because TF2 isn't dead, moron.

Meet your match is when the game died. 12v12 is a terrible format. 9v9 is the largest it should be.

Beginning of the end was End of the line.

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>TF2 or some other trading game dies
>have 1000's worth of itmes you didnt sell but could have are now worthless

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>>385599078
>>385597804
>>385597460
>>385597204
>>385597180
>>385597125
>>385597026

>X is when the game died
Except the game isn't dead.
see >>385599075
Saying TF2 is "dead", aka has nobody playing, is factually incorrect.

>>385597683
>It still mostly fits with the games visuals, but it was the first item that had a "joke" element
Apart from the Demo killing people with a bottle? Are you retarded

Sniper vs. Spy was the point of no return.

>>385598616
imagine being mad that a game goes free
imagine being mad that said free game reinvents their matchmaking system so that everyone hates it but never explains why
imagine claiming that, because of this update that you personally don't like, this game is dead despite fifty thousand people playing it at this fucking moment, being the top five active games on steam, and having a lot of community involvement

or better yet, imagine nothing because you're probably too fucking stupid to do that anyway

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>>385599430
This. A lot of retards infest /v/ who will parrot that a game is "dead" regardless of the facts.

Anyway fuck that. Post most fun weapon. For me it's pic related.

>>385599304
>game hasn't been given a meaningful content update in over a year
>developers have straight up said that if the jungle update doesn't make them enough money it WILL be the last major update, implying a lack of faith in the game's lifespan
but a bunch of children and third worlders still play it so it's not dead right? and overwatch is trash before you play that card, i just wish one of my favourite games was still playable

>>385597683
Wow, you're right. I was questioning what you said at first but yeah it's really the explicit cartoon shit in the Sandman which was the first steer into a total veer off course

>>385599607
>true
>citation needed
>Dota 2 is dead

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>>385599607
>>game hasn't been given a meaningful content update in over a year
What, you mean the update that they're working on right now?
That doesn't make a game dead, retard. A dead game is one with nobody playing it.

And just because content isn't being added doesn't mean we lack content to play with.
Do you actually fucking realize how much content TF2 has at this point? 9 main classes, 170+ non-reskin weapon unlocks, 15 game modes, 100+ maps, 3000 cosmetics, and a bunch of other shit.
And that's all BEFORE counting custom maps and mods. Nine years' worth of custom maps and mods. Thousands upon thousands.
>developers have straight up said that if the jungle update doesn't make them enough money it WILL be the last major update
No, you fucking dumbass, the developers said that if people didn't like the "long wait period between large updates" model that they would shift to a "short wait period between small updates" model.
>but a bunch of children and third worlders still play it so it's not dead right?
Except that's not true either, North Americans are the biggest group of TF2's population, and the average age is 16-18.
And if you came to a major multiplayer game and expected not to be playing against children and third worlders you are downright fucking retarded.

Yes, 50,000 people playing right now means that TF2 is not fucking dead, moron.

>>385599430
>imagine being mad that a game goes free
A paid game going F2P has never been good for said game. The paywall helps to discourage cheating and acts as a deterrent for underage players and third-worlders.

Paid games going F2P also mean that the developer is going to try to nickel and dime players via other means —which is exactly what fucking happened with TF2. The Mannconomy, loot crates that require you to pay real money to open them, and the Steam marketplace have all completely ruined the community of the game and have gone on to ruin OTHER online multiplayer shooters from other developers as well as MOBAs like Dota 2, and is completely responsible for allowing the whole paid mods for Skyrim fiasco to happen.

>play TF2
>team is full of retards
>enemy team is full of retards
>game is always a stalemate
PUSH THE FUCKING CART

>>385600162
You just reminded me of a game I had yesterday
>Join an upward game, just past second point
>Reds have made a good defence and have a ninja heavy that appears out of nowhere
>Some retard is yelling "PUSH THE FUCKING CART"
>Explain the problem
>"JUST KILL THEM, IT ISN'T THAT HARD"
>Check who he is playing as
>Our 4th spy
>Next round and teams switched
>"HOPEFULLY THESE IDIOTS CAN DEFEND BETTER THAN THEY PUSH"
>Still refuses to go off spy
>Vote kick comes up
>Kick him

>>385599540
Loose Cannon.

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>>385600909
>be spy
>tell people to push
>literally INCHES away from the last checkpoint
>backstab the heavies and sap the sentry
>run out of time
>everyone was staying outside for 5 minutes
>check team score
>65
>63
>57
>55
>49
>10
>3
>1
>1
>was going 63
how can people be so bad

>>385600162
If nobody is pushing the cart defense wins and it's not a stalemate.
A stalemate is when nobody wins

>>385601203
I can get that, but we *just* pushed past the second point and they kept pushing it back.

>>385601242
it is pretty stale mate

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>>385601515

New Subclass ideas

Support Engie
>New Guitar weapon replaces melee
>can't build
>taunting with the weapon gives 35% resistance, mini crits and heal on damage and passive healing
>can put down speakers that gives the same effects when taunting, allows music to be heard even though he's not around

>>385601691
>overshit

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>>385601653
>360's and walks away
I never really was on your side.

about the time Mario Kart became a popular map.

>>385601691
>Support engie
>Implying this isn't already a good way to play engie

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>>385601691
I think it would be good for Engineer to get a more support-focused PDA, but your implementation is too gimmicky with too many sub-mechanics. Make it simpler and I'm on board

>>385601791
>>Implying this isn't already a good way to play engie
Not viable in a serious game. Medic is a straight up better support.

>>385601981
I've had an idea of a PDA.

>Replaces Sentry with basically a canon. Shoots much slower but does shit tones of damage and uses the double donk mechanic of the Loose Canon. Level 2 is two canons and level 3 gives a third canon that charges up but delivers a bigger projectile
>Dispenser replaced by a mini factory that gives health and ammo like normal but does it in bursts and can overheal. Burst times is 6>4>2 as you upgrade it
>Teleporters replaced by two "traps". One trap flings you in a direction and the other gives a shock that slows enemies. There are recharge times between the uses that is upgradable

>>385599430
>imagine being mad that said free game reinvents their matchmaking system so that everyone hates it but never explains why
I can't speak for comp matchmaking because I never bother with it, but casual is just unnecessary and bad.
It's essentially the quickplay feature that the game already had, except you can't join the casual servers through the server browser like you could with quickplay which means that games take forever to backfill. Most matches end up having wildly uneven team sizes, and sometimes they're uneven before the match even starts.
All casual matchmaking really did was divide up the quickplay servers and the private servers, so that finding a good match in either is more difficult. Even if casual matchmaking worked exactly as intended and didn't constantly have fucked up uneven teams, I still wouldn't like it because it's a pointless attempt to fix something that wasn't broken.
The ideal "casual matchmaking" system would've been the one they already had before they added casual matchmaking.

>>385602134
Yeah, but in 90% of players, that is a good way to be a support.

I know it isn't viable in pro play but it shouldn't be disregarded in pubs.

>>385597180
Should've been /thread right there

>>385602351
Nobody's saying it should be disregarded, just built upon.
>>385602275
>Replaces Sentry with basically a canon
If Sentry is going to go from hitscan-based to projectile-based, it will no longer fulfil Engineer's job to counter Scout, since he would be able to dodge Sentry fire.

Better idea: Replace the Sentry with homing rockets that move at 144% speed. It'll still perform the role of countering Scout, but it will have counterplay.
>Dispenser replaced by a mini factory that gives health and ammo like normal but does it in bursts and can overheal
Don't much see the point of changing unlock Dispenser's heal from sustained to bursts. What would this add to the game?
>Teleporters replaced by two "traps". One trap flings you in a direction and the other gives a shock that slows enemies. There are recharge times between the uses that is upgradable
Okay, this is interesting.

End of The Line

>>385603376
You're just picking it because of the name. It was no worse than Robotic Boogaloo.
Anyway see >>385599304

fuuuuuck matchmaking but end of the line was the beginning of the big decline

Gun Mettle was the final nail for the art-style.

>>385604272
Way earlier than that fampai.