TWENTY TWO MILLION NEW ISRAELI SHEKELS Dota 2 thread. You're

>low skill cap game
>gets 20M prize pool

Ew.

>>385521779
>t.3k player

>>385521779
Leld.

>League of Casuals will still insist they're better

Who here /23-24Mprediction/? Can't wait to get my free 10 or 15 levels!

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>>385521779
dota is a casual game but it's certainly the least casual of the assfaggots. The amount of strategy in drafting is some of the most fun, non-gookclick necessary levels you'll have, because you CAN lose a game in draft.

I'm not stupid enough to buy a goypendium though.

>>385521779
Bait but not that low skill cap of a game. Example of higher?

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you fuckers better vote for rubick in the arcana vote

>>385523121
League of Legends.

And before you accuse me of baiting, let me know when there's a play as epic as Faker's Zed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPCfoCVCx3U

>>385523589

>Epic

I like League and agree that it's more conducive to outplays, but you're a faggot

>>385523589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ElXGllTpp0

>>385523761
You posted one of the most overhyped moments in dota. That was not a good play, universe did not play very well. CDEC fucked up with having no vision outside of the rosh pit, obviously roshing and standing together against an AA and ES with big aoe spells.

>>385523589
>Koreans vs. Koreans
Nice game

>>385524094
They only do it so we don't have to, as awesome as a korean takeover of dota might be.

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>>385523761
have a better EG clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWdWeJ6v2wI

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>>385524094
If your esport isn't popular in Korea it might aswell not exist. The true talent and the level of organization is all there.

yeah ill be watching. fuck that gook MOBA.

>>385525234
>If Koreans are trash at your esport it might as well not exist
Maybe they should learn to play?

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>DOTA2 d-doesn't need skill, I s-swear!
>I just don't WANT 22 millions burgerbux so I won't win the tourney with my l33t skillz!

>>385525549
In all honesty if Valve knew how to market in Korea they would have a good chance there. Right now it's Riot and Blizzard land.

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When is it happening?
I haven't cared about dota since last international, and overall I haven't played dota for almost 2 years, but I've been wanting to get back to it for some time now.

>>385523589

>Fat Faker

It's been ages.

>>385525656
Who are you quoting?

>>385524749
>dota
>korean takeover
Hahaha no. It's dominated by the chinese with no signs of stopping ever.

>>385525686
They fucked up when they outsourced the servers to Nexon, I doubt they'll ever get a decent foothold there.

>>385522480
You're incredibly stupid, though. If you duy Comp, you can get 10$ back + few items with zero effort. Or >20$ back with little effort.

>>385525879
Dominated? Bitch please. No.

>>385521779
>low skill

You can say whatever the fuck you want about it, but if you claim it's not the highest individual skill cap ASSFAGGOTS out there, you're a retard.

And that's excluding teamplay/team skill.

>>385523338
Rubick faggots are reddit

>>385525879
og and eg won more money than any chink ever will

>>385523121
Brood War

>>385525879
Korea doesn't see dota as chic so it'll never get any bigger unless some celebrities come out and say they love it. It's really too bad they spent too long in beta and started in Korea after LoL had already entered the stage.

>>385523761
>Press two abilities
Incredible skill showdown. Every second game in 3k has moments like that.

>>385522480
>dota is a casual game
No.
It's not.
It might be easy depending on opinions, but it applies tremendous amounts of psychological pressure, while demanding even more patience.
It's casualness scales as far as the amount of friends you play it with.
If you play alone, and care about winning, it will fucking wrench your soul.

>>385525656
But if it doesn't need skill, how would skill help you win?
Isn't that what it means when someone says that something doesn't need skill? That skill is useless, and being more skillful doesn't mean you'll win.
If it did need skill, then you could win it with leet skills. Because it doesn't, you can't.

Fuck no, Counter Strike is the only acceptable e-sport.

>>385526135
Thats probably the only answer I'd agree with.

>>385526208
kys

>>385526209
Quake Live too

I could name a few more, but no games that are actually alive. I don't think DotA 2 is an amazing competitive game, but when you look at currently not-dead competitive games it's at the top.

>>385525902
>implying virtual cosmetics have any real value

You fell knee deep into the jewry, anon.

>>385526186
I always saw it as a relaxing game you play with friends when you're burned out on WC3 ladder. Compared to WC3, it is a casual gaming experience. Just because a game is stressful when playing with strangers doesn't make the gameplay stop being casual.

>>385526208
reminder that /our/ esports are as follows

RTS: Brood War
Fighting Game: Melty Blood
Party Game: Melee
Assfaggots: DotA2
FPS: CSGO

>>385526525
But you can swap them for Steambux and use them to buy games you would've bought with realbux.

>>385525083
>>385523761
>>385523589
>all that screaming

Now I understand why people call these games assfaggots. Holy shit, how annoying can subhumans get?

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>>385526184
yurocuck still mad EG won TI

>>385522480
>not realizting chen has a 36% damage amplification and a 400 pure damage nuke
>not building dagon and ignoring neutrals

>>385526725
They call them ASSFAGGOTS because it's an acronym for the genre, retard.

>>385526184
>press left mouse button
>a number goes up

wooow quake so skill
reductionist retard

>>385526758
Even if his nuke is powerful it deals drandom damage from 200 to 400. I give you that 200 pure damage is a lot tho

>>385526296
I love quake live, but the diff in skill cap between dota2 and quake are less then dota 2 and bw. Id argue that quake live has hit its skill cap with its players past few years, where dota 2 still has some room to grow, as long as icefrog doesnt keep simplifying things.

>>385521779
It's still the most skill based game on the market right now, no matter how you look at it.
>inb4 starcraft
game is dead for a reason

>>385526724
>buying games
Please

>>385527115
Well I'm watching Grubby paly WC3 right now and I know it's way more intense than any Dota stream I've watched.

>>385526061
>Wanting even MORE Sniper/Invoker/Pudge ruskies in your games

Are you braindead?

>>385526539
>I always saw it as a relaxing game you play with friends when you're burned out on WC3 ladder.
It can be played as a relaxing game when you're playing normal games or low MMR ranked. But as soon as you get a "decent" level, it's a whole other story.
Also, I really don't see how dota is similar to WC3, sure dota is a mod from wc3, but they are two very different game types in the end.
>Compared to WC3, it is a casual gaming experience.
DotA obliterates WC3 (and most games out there desu) in terms of complexity and mechanics, it's on a whole other level. After 1000 hours of DotA you barely start to understand how everything connect together. But maybe you are playing some less known WC3 mod or whatever that's more deep than dota, what are you playing anon? I'm always looking for new games to play.

>>385526859
Dumb fucking nigger, don't even imply that situation had any decent calculation or skill from both sides.
>HURR WE GO IN ONE PLACE WITH NO VISION
>OH YEA THEY'RE THERE SO WE USE 2 OF OUR AOE SKILLS
>>385526730
I don't even know, nor care which teams were they.

>>385526979
It's 272 pure damage on the low end (after amplification) and avarages at around 408 with the high end being 544.
If you add another 408-816 magic damage from dagon (after amp and resist) it's quit a lot of burst.
Of cource it's still a meme build and anyone deploying one or more clues against you can probably beat down your low armor int hero ass.

>>385526725
But people screen in literally every real life sport anon, it's not about being subhuman, they're just excited by what they are seeing.
>annoying
Well don't watch? I find real life sports annoying and can't stand to see everyone scream and sperg out over guys running on a field, so I simply don't watch them.

>>385525902
>You're incredibly stupid, though. If you duy Comp, you can get 10$ back + few items with zero effort. Or >20$ back with little effort.

I'm too retarded to do this, can you explain how?

I used to farm items in CS:GO but I hated the game, even though I used idle servers and run it while I wasn't home. Still, it was easy steambucks.

I do like Dota 2 though, I like the game I like SOME skins but I'm a sucker for the maps and announcers and those are specially hard to get, I just feel lucky I got the kunkka and tide announcer.

I don't feel like throwing even more money, so if I can make some money back from the next compendium it'd be a real nice.

>>385527730
It does take a certain peace of mind for the two support heroes of one team to engage alone into the other team.
Other teams (and players) would've waited for the security of a 5v5 fight, and would've lost the Aegis for it. These two guys didn't, they held their balls and charged in. They risked wasting their most powerful abilities before their backup was near.

Its not a super simple thing as you say, you are reducing it to 2 seconds, when it was probably at least half an hour game.

>>385527543
But anon, YOU think it's intense, I respect your opinion and wish you to experience many other intense moments. I always like WC3 and played a lot of it when I was young, but I wouldn't call it intense, and that's ok, we're over 6 billion on earth, there enough things to like for every one of us. Maybe you think it's intense because you don't like DotA but like WC3, so you're more into it. It's as intense as you want it to be.

Take boxing. I can totally understand that people can find it intense and exciting, but I feel so neutral towards boxing that I'm just seeing two guys hitting each other. I think powerlifting is more intense, even tho it's just a guy that comes on stage and deadlifts a barbell ONCE and that's it.

>>385522480
>I'm not stupid enough to buy a goypendium though.
Well I think you are. DotA compendium are the same as CSGO operations. You're gonna pay some money, but you're gonna drop so many items you're gonna get your money back and make even more. Every operation in CSGO made me win over 50 bucks each, aswell as a few skins.

You are literally refusing to WIN money, that sounds pretty stupid to me.

>>385527108
I don't think DotA 2 has begun to approach Quake Live's level. However, they're not very comparable games, since Quake is a simple game at its core and DotA is not. I would say Quake is more balanced, and individual skill matters more. DotA is more about knowledge of the game than knowledge of your opponents while Quake is the other way around (that's not to say that knowledge of your opponent isn't important in DotA or vice-versa).

>>385526725
Do you even watch sports? People scream for excitement no matter if its competitive sports or e-sports

>>385521537
You know the most pathetic thing about TI?
Each and every year, Valve finds an even greedier way to give you less stuff for more money, and an insane amount of retards gladly pay.

>>385521779
>low skill cap
>implying there isn't an unreasonable amount of nuanced shit you need to learn to git gud
>place that into a game where a bad teammate is worse than no teammate
i can understand why people don't play this because it's designed to turn you genocidal, but saying it doesn't require skill is just wrong

>>385528884
It's easier than admitting you're just trash at a game.
That's why most of this shit hole hates games with any kind of ELO system, it shatters their illusion that they were halfway decent at the game, and since there's more shitters than good players the shitters will always just try to use numbers and shout the good players down despite not knowing what the fuck they're talking about.

>>385523121
Quake

>>385525902
>in a year

>>385527968
You play games, try to win stakes and do some quests meanwhile. Then sell all the sellable rewards in the end. Did that with little effort in every compendium and got 20-30$ back.

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Of course I will

Seeing teams crash and burn is always fun

>>385525083
>>385523761
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7z27Lc2RHo

O U T P L A Y E D

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Leave the Chinks to me

>>385527705
No dude, Dota is literally a casual stripped down map for retards that couldn't hack it controlling bases and armies in actual Warcraft 3. It has extremely barebones mechanics where you're not even in direct control of your character, you're just issuing orders then the pathing engine does the work. This is acceptable when you're controlling hundreds or at least many tens of dudes which simply can't be handled individually, not one or a few. Its depth comes from committing details to memory, not from any sort of mechanical mastery.

>>385529659
Then why aren't the WC3 pros winning TI and the majors?

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>Rtz
>Ever winning a TI

>>385529659
>couldn't hack it controlling bases and armies in actual Warcraft 3
wc3 have one of the easiest macro in the history of RTS
and dont get me started on
>dude upkeep lmao

>>385529804
Why would they be? I didn't say Dota had no depth, I said it had no mechanical complexity. Its depth is in the size of the hero list and item table.

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>>385529806
>bigdaddy notail will win a TI in your lifetime

one can dream

>>385526539
Any game can be a "casual relaxing game" thoguh. Ultimately a game is more frustrating the more you care about it.
I play League with my friends and they sometimes go bonkers over a bad lane/game but I never got angry at it the same way I got angry at Dota becaue I simply don't care what my elo is in LoL.

>>385528707
Fair. they are two very different games. Im hopeful for quake champions, but it doesnt seem as deep from the initial tournaments I've watched. Hopefully this will change, but unsure exactly how.

>>people say dota is piss easy with a low skill cap
>>dota prize pools are the largest by far of any esport, even without monstrous examples like $22 million for TI

If it was actually that easy there would be massive amounts of cross-pollination as people who played other games flocked to the "easy" game of Dota in order to get rich and retire. That doesn't happen. The best Dota 2 players in the world are the ones that have been playing since WC3 dota, many of whom still use legacy keys.

There's no Starcraft players who have left their dead game and swept tournaments playing micro heroes like Meepo, or former league pros who transitioned to dota and walked away with LAN victories.

You know where that DOES happen? Games like Hearthstone, where many professionals are former professional poker or MTG players who realized they could win more money for less effort playing blizzard's card game.

You don't have to like Dota 2 or even the genre, but saying there's no skill involved just makes you come across as bitter that you're not good enough to retire at 20 after winning millions playing videogames

>>385529325
What year? Comp lasts for 2 or 3 monts, then it stops working. Or you mean the new market rules or something?

>>385523121
Overwatch

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>>385521537
Just think how many dumb consumers willingly give their money to gaben to fund this "esport"

>>385530721
Dota is objectively less mechanically complex than Warcraft 3. It has Warcraft 3's mechanics exactly, only at a drastically smaller scale and scope. It's also clearly a very deep game nonetheless. Dota makes maximum use of War3's hero concept. Warcraft 3 made minimal use of all its ideas which is why it was a pretty mediocre RTS.
Comparing it to Hearthstone is a strawman; no one with a functioning brain has called that game deep or complex.

>>385531213
Poor bait. Pretty sure phone games have a higher skill cap then OW.

I'll watch when the semi's start

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>>385521537
Game became shit after rubber band and got worse after meme talents. They sJat on sc2 then they shat om dota2 so I have nothing to play. I hoped down would be good bUT it's not and overwatch is even bigger clown shoes

T. GM and 5k player

Who here loves TI time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwSQv_sNZBI

Greatest Dota 2 competitive game of all time. Get hyped boys.

>>385530704
Yeah, it's why I mentioned Brood War instead and didn't mention it at first. It's a difficult comparison. I'm hopeful about Quake Champions but unelss they fix the unlock system the game is dead before arrival.

>>385531374
>Dota is objectively less mechanically complex than Warcraft 3
A strong statement. Would you please elaborate?

I'd play DotA 2 if it didn't have tank movement

>>385532191
>fix the unlock system
What's wrong with it?

>>385526270

nova shit

>>385532581
>tank movement
?

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>>385526636
>Fighting Game: Melty Blood

everything else is good though

>>385532402
>It has Warcraft 3's mechanics exactly,
This is true because Dota is literally a Warcraft 3 map, and not one of those cheeky maps that replaces mechanics like worm wars.
>only at a drastically smaller scale and scope.
This is true because Dota puts you in control of only one or a few units as opposed to tens or hundreds, and focuses almost entirely on just one of Warcraft 3's unit types, heroes. It does more with the mechanics it has than Warcraft 3 does, but at its core the game is so simple that it turns off many people whom are accustomed to complex, fine-grained control as opposed to simplistic, indirect control.

>>385532913
??

>>385532669
You rent characters. As in, you unlock a character, you can play as them for X amount of time and then you have to unlock them again. Even with real money. That's how it was in the closed beta/alpha at least.

>>385526636
>FPS: CSGO
Only if you're a faggot.

>>385533952
Dota 2 map awarness requires more experience, thinking, psychology and mindgames, than everything control and micro-related in Warcraft 3. And if you're playing in a team, it's on whole another level. Controlling Wraith King with one active ability requires a lot more than managing one group of 12 units in Warcraft 3. I've been playing W3 competitevely in the past (I wasn't really good, but decent), but Dota 2 is completely different game than you think of.