>some people unironically, without a hint of self-awareness,

>>385513881

>there are people, on this board, RIGHT NOW, who don't like Down in the Bonehoard

>Unironically think Deadly Shadows is the best game in the series
Fight me if you dare, faggots

>>385513881
Both are great. Dark Project for tomb raiding, Metal Age for burglary.

2's boss stage was unintuitive puzzle shit. At least 1 let you be an actual fucking thief right on through to the end.

>>385514272
Not really, TDP has more missions dedicated to actual stealing
It's a better game in every regard.

>there are people who feel the need to rank everything when it doesn't fucking matter since they're both great games

2 is better in every way except for the final level

>>385515078
I feel like Thief 2 is unjustifiably hailed as the best Thief, which makes me irritated. Happy?

>>385515179

I agree with this. I mean T2 is good, but the fanbase overrates it too much. I actually like both 1 and 3 over 2.

>>385514158

Good taste. I can't fault you anon.

>>385513881
Can I play these on my Mac?

>>385515435
Probably, but you're still a faggot who owns Mac

1 is definitely better just because it has that variety in levels as you aren't just locked to levels with only humans.

These levels in Thief 2 were all pretty poor:

>Trace the Courier
You just follow Mosley and then a Pagan around for half an hour and goddamn is it boring. It's essentially Act 3 from MGS4 but to a lesser degree.

>Trail of Blood
This was actually the most linear level in Thief's history before Thi4f came along. It's way too easy to sneak around with all of the grass and shadows everywhere.

>Masks / Casing the Joint
These are the same levels needlessly repeated.

>Eavesdropping
The level's title so accurately reflects the problem with it that it's just sad. You are forced to spend 10 minutes listening to a conversation between Karras and Truart. You cannot move or you will fail the mission. The rest of the level is relatively short.

And in general you've got the city watch in blue uniforms and the mechanists to keep you company for the majority of these levels. And the mechanist devices are just plain boring to deal with. PLEASE BE WARNED. A MISGUIDED SOUL.

>>385516046
You forgot to mention Kidnap. Which is really one of the worst missions in the game.

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>>385515078
Best post ITT.

Both are amazing. Fuck off.

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>>385516384

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>>385516449

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>>385513881
Thief 2 has the better villain

Thief 1 has the better everything else.


t.guy that just finished Thief2 for the first time this week and is currently replaying Thief1 on expert

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>>385516531

>>385516256
I actually like Kidnap the most in Thief 2. It's tightly designed and you feel like a fucking god sneaking your way around cramped place that is swarming with mechanists. It was also nice to get back to Lost City, which I loved in T1.

>>385516384
>>385516449
i just cant believe charlie brooker did things way back in 98

Threadly reminder that The Trickster did nothing wrong, he just wanted humans to return to respecting the natural ways, and stop being so reliant on technology.
Hammerites/Mechanists are cucks.

>>385516561
Also Thief 2's last missions are getting weak.
Everything after angels watch is pretty meh.

Maw of chaos isn't really a good mission either, but the ones before that are way better.

Best missions are still Return to the Haunted cathedral and Cragscleft Prison especially if you played Ultima Underworld

>>385516686
Thou wouldst deny the tools that the Master Builder hast given us. To better ourselves and brings us from the cold and dark, wretched forests.
Truly thou ist the real cuckhold.
Nay, the way of the Builder is the true path of mankind. Taking our place above and far away from the hordes of primitives and snarling beasts.

>>385516384
I miss when mainstream video game reviewers were competent, knowledgeable and intelligent.

>>385516807
Precious Cargo is a pleasant mission but it gets overshadowed because it's a relatively small one that comes right after Life of the Party. The real decline happens after it.

>>385516561
>Trickster
>fit as fuck
>has hot dryad """""associate""""
>dupes Garrett several times
>has pure motivations, wants to make the world magical and adventurous again and inspire men to grow
>his army is composed of cool monsters
>lives in a cool parallel dimension that messes with the laws of physics
>heh nothing personnel *grabs Garrets eyeball*

>Karras
>wheezy old man with faget voice
>probably a pedophile, has a collection of little robot boys
>never manages to trick Garrett
>MUH BUILDER
>his plan is to gas all life for no reason, probably senile
>lets women in his army
>lives in a factory, a wagekek

>>385516946
Your "progress" means nothing if you achieved it by forgetting where you came from and destroying the cradle of life that is nature.
It just shows that you learned nothing, and that you got shafted into doing the Builder's evil plan for him.
Keep being a cuck Hammerite drone.

>>385517347
Remove thyself, Pagan, from this image forvm or face a heavy dosage of my steel to your frontal lobe.

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>>385513881
>some people put the Thief games on a podium instead of a round table on a diamond pedestal

>>385517272
>never manages to trick Garrett

He tricks you with his office in Angel's Watch.

>his plan is to gas all life for no reason, probably senile

Now he clearly has a reason.
The hammerites picked on him because of his voice
That's actually a pretty damn funny motivation for a villain

>>385517347
Please be warned.

A misguided soul.

Thou shalt be relocated to the bear pits tomorrow.

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I just played through both games.
Give me some good fan missions /v/

Also, is the black parade ever coming out?

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BUILDERFAGS LEAVE THIS PLACE
THIS IS A PLACE FOR LOVERS OF NATURE

What is it about Thief that just feels right? Just moving around a level feels good.

>>385517981
>He tricks you with his office
Not if you turn off the alarm

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>>385518260
W-what? That works?

>>385518140
Crab people. Crab people.

>>385518140
>trickstersfags will defend this degeneracy

>>385518335
yeah. there's a series of switches in angelwatch you can flip to prevent the alarm from going off at the end.

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>finally complete the secondary objectives after 2 hours
>loot: 1995/2000

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>>385518247
I guess this is what they call kinesthetic controls. Everything in this game is calibrated just right, the speed, the sense of weight, how you lean to the side, hop you jump, how Garrett umphs when he's vaulting the ledge, how your character slows down to nock the arrow, or wobbles a bit when climbing the rope, or swings a sword. Thief just feels fantastic to move around in.

>>385518335
Ever wondered whats the point of that empty closet nearby Karras's office? Look closer.

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>>385518468
Builderfag pedos are masters of degeneracy.

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>>385518519
>expert Haunted Cathedral

>>385518623
WHY CAN'T YOU FUCKING KILL THESE?

>>385518519
>everyone playing Haunted Cathedral for the first time

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>>385518624
Hey.

>>385518662
THE TRUE STRENGTH OF FORGED IRON AND STEEL.
PRIMITIVE PAGANS WILL NEVER KNOW SUCH BEAUTY AND CRAFTSMANSHIP

>>385513881
Because it doesn't have shit tier levels like the Downwind Thieves' Guild.

>>385518732
Wrong level. Haunts weren't enemies in Haunted Cathedral. You're thinking of Return to the Cathedral.

Apparitions on the other hand, though.
Fuck those backwards talking fags.

>>385518838
>doesn't like one of the most complex and multilayered levels in Thief

>>385518732
>>385518880
oh wait nevermind. Forgot the house.

>>385513881
Is it just me or is Theif too dark? I can't improve the brightness, It's unplayable because I can't see shit in the dark.

>>385518973
if turning up the gamma doesn't help just play at night and get rid of your glossy monitor

>>385518973
You can improve the gamma by pressing + or -

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>>385517272
>Trickster
>ancient being with magial powers who literally got fucked over by a carpenter with a hammer
>fucks Garrett up instead of rewarding him for a job well done
>to defeat him all Garrett needs to do is bunnyhop his way to the ritual chamber and bunnyhop with the Eye

>Karras
>is just an old man with a speech impediment
>genius intellect, advances science to an absurd degree all by himself
>manages to recreate an entire religion through sheer charisma
>doesn't betray anyone
>to defeat him Garrett has to sneak past hordes of robots with very few supplies in one of the best levels in the series
>kills Viktoria and saves the series from a forced shitty romance

>>385513881
Fuck off cunt, this isn't meme souls. Both games are amazing.

>>385518973
+ and - changes brightness, but sort of takes away he atmosphere

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Best "normal" level

>>385519401
>>385514023
Hated it at first, grew on me on repeated plays. I completely missed the secret Mystic Soul location first time through too

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>>385513881
Right one has better stealth, left one has better atmosphere.

Karas is a shitty villain, but he made some fun levels to run around in. I care more about fun levels than linear corridors filled with dinosaurs and wolfmen who can smell me from halfway across the map.

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>>385514023
>there's people who don't like the Sabotage at Soulforge

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>you will never live in The City

>>385518624
>Put potions on top of each other at a wall so i can jump back over the cathedral wall to complete the mission

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>>385519164
>ancient being with magial powers who literally got fucked over by a carpenter with a hammer
builder = literally jesus

>>385519401
>Music intensifies as you get closer

>>385515078
this

>>385519860
that's a good thing
>thieves and cutthroats
>hammers
>pagans outside the walls
>monsters in the sewers and underground

>>385513881
Thief Gold > Thief II > Thief original release

>>385518897
And I never will. It's shit, utter shit, and doesn't fit with the entire rest of the game. One of, if not the worst designed levels in the series.

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>>385519692
>linear
*blocks your path*

>>385519860
WHY JUST LAST NIGHT I SAW HER OUT BACK WARMING UP THE STABLE BOY

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Hi.

>>385520162
t. brainlet who got lost

>>385515432
>>385514158
DS is an unforgivable piece of shit. You are actually retarded if you like it more than either of the originals.

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>>385519957
Sounds fun.

>>385520256
No, I got fed up with the density of guards and the scarcity of loot being completely out of line. Shit level, end of discussion.

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discuss

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>>385520169
>tfw David Lynch lives in Constantine's manor

>>385520482
>I got fed up with X, therefore X is shit
Okay anon. Meanwhile I'll be over here, enjoying actually challenging stealth.

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FUCKING STOOOOOOOOOOOP
STOP DESTROYING PLANTS

>Knocked out humans can actually drown if you drop them into the water

Ahh Expert

>>385520572
Look at you taffer

>>385520628
Happened to me few days ago as I was replaying Dark Project missions out of boredom
>blackjack a guard
>quicksave
>go on about my business
>UGH UGH UGH
>wat
>UGH UGH UGH
>mission is failed
>quickload, it keeps habbening
>eventually realise that knocked out guard'a head clipped through the wall, into the pond, and he drowned
Reverse technology

>>385520892
>>385520628
>Not throwing them in a fireplace

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>>385520628
>prison mission
>get the corpse of the guy you need to carry out
>leave him in the water by one of the guard stations for safekeeping
>finish the other objectives
>go to get him
>wtf why can't i hold him
>can't even highlight him

>>385520536
Dealing with 20 people in a small area isn't challenging, it's tedious. Nobody likes that level and you know it.

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>>385519520
>Hated it at first, grew on me on repeated plays
Same, pretty sure this is the thing. When most people play Thief 1, they get completely thrown off because of the expectations. When they get to Thief 2 they see it doesn't have the spooky-scary stuff and feel that's what it should have been in the first place. Then if they ever bother with replays, the undead shit really ends up growing on you and you realize how important all those levels are to the overall atmosphere of the game and series as a whole.
Pic related is my personal favorite in the game, ruined, fallen city overun with creatures. Always thought it was missnamed though imo. The Haunted Cathedral is the objective to get to, but not the draw of the level.

>>385518838
That's Gold, not TDP.

>>385521053
True. I have savescummed this level every playthrough.

Thief Gold is my favourite. It tore my soul a new asshole. By the time I got to Thief II, it felt toned down. Also mechanical enemies are never as interesting as flesh and blood ones.

>>385520230
Christ I remember that shit, creeped me the fuck out.

>>385521251
I think it's kind of ironic that robots aren't scary in the slightest, but the scariest thief 2 level is the one full of nothing but robots

>>385513881
REMINDER THAT THIEF, THIEF GOLD, AND THIEF II ARE STILL THE PEAK OF VIDEO GAMES

>>385523798
Silly anon, thats Witcher 3. Have you seen the graphics on that baby?

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>>385523931

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these c-3po looking mother fuckers are actually horrifying when you start listening to their dialogue

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>>385523931
I bet TW3 doesn't even have a fully-interactive 6D world

STOP TELLING PEOPLE TO PLAY THE HARDEST DIFFICULTY ON THEIR FIRST PLAYTHROUGH
SOME SIDE OBJECTIVES ARE FUCKING RIDICULOUSLY HARD TO ACCOMPLISH

>>385524994
GETTITH GUDDETH

>>385524241
So was it some sort of advanced type of tech-necromancy with dead bodies controlled by AI or living humans controlled by AI

>>385525198
I think it was brainwashing/programming combined with being controlled by someone else.
The way they talk to themselves feels like there's someone monitoring what they do.

I don't know if they're dead or not. It's possible given the setting, but I don't think Mechanists dabble in necromancy

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Why are NPCs so dainty?

>>385526410
How are these stupid fuckers unaware about a haunt in the basement?

>>385526410
Why don't they just cremate corpses?

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>>385520230
>>385522183
https://webmshare.com/rN30Q

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>>385513881
It's so sad Thief threads must start with such low class bait to get attention, and even more pathetic is the /v/irgin that keeps spouting such bullshit, and tries to create a schism in a comunity that always was friendly and united.
Fuck you, asshole.

>>385514559
Not really, you have to sneak around trying to make a fucking bomb thing. Shit's great.

>>385526647
Because if you cremate a cursed corpse you end up with a Return of the Living Dead situation.

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>>385526735
>that sound design

Why is so real?

>>385516046
I liked all the levels. Originally I played it on normal years ago and had a blast, then I recently replayed both on expert and had even more fun. I didn't know the difficulties added more story and functionality to the levels, it was really genius on their part.

>>385526985
What are they cursed the moment the person dies?

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>>385518102

>>385526998
Thief 1 and 2 have the best sound design in video games. I've never seen anything even remotely close.

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>>385520572
>>385520504
>maw level in Thief 2
> that last part with the trees slowly coming alive
>if they are once fully awake there's basically no way to defeat them

First time around i didn't even notice them.
I actually reloaded because something didn't feel quite right with the sounds coming from the trees.

Nightmare fule once you realize that those things actually come after you and you wouldn't even know.

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>>385527101

Have an updated version, anon

>>385516561
Thief 1 had a better villain with how they presented him. Karras is interesting though, I'll give you that.

>>385526813
You make a beacon. The mission doesn't even make sense, it says in the briefing that you have to be sneaky in order to foil Karras' plan, yet he immediately discovers you and won't ever shut up, you can even go to him room and stare at each other for a while. It felt absolutely retarded.

>>385518335
There's a ton of hidden shit in Thief. I compare it to Deus Ex, you find new shit everytime

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>>385527247
Thanks, perhaps this one is outdated too but I'll post it anyway.

>>385515517

>>385527239
dude I heard some shit coming out at me, and when I turned around this big ass tree monster was right in my face and one shotted me
I never jumped so fucking hard in my life, I almost flew through my ceiling

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>those missions where you have to knock out X amount of Y

>>385527239
This was the biggest NOPE moment in the game for it. I just sprinted to grab that letter like crazy. It's about as bad as first time meeting Haunts in Thief 1
>open a door to a normal looking mansion
>suddenly two fuckers jump right in your face
>completely freeze from shock
>it's completely dark so they don't actually see
>stand 1 meter away from you for a while and go away while making spooky sounds
Some level design decisions in these games feel so deliberate and ingenious

>>385525351
They're alive. Theres notes you can read that tell how some of them can be heard crying under their mask

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>>385526998
I have a soundcard and have EAX enabled. As the other anon said, sound in Thief 1 & 2 is a big deal, you're missing out if you have it disabled.

I think there was a workaround(?) so you won't need a soudcard though.

>>385527316
Half the of the mission briefing screens do that shit.

>>385527819
>just replayed both Thief's
>didn't know about the workaround
ANON WHERE WERE YOU 2 WEEKS AGO

>a thief thread reached 100+ replies
>isn't dead yet
Fucking how?

Anyway, what was your favorite
>mission
>character
and
>recommended fan mission to play

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>Thread progresses from shitposting to actual discussion

>>385528108
>Fucking how?

because it's a real good game
obviously it doesn't look as nice and feel as smooth as modern games, but in terms of gameplay it's better than most shit released in the last 10 to 15 years

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>>385527967
Damn man. That's rough. So I assume you found the fix then? If there even is one.

Well now you know for the next time at least.

>>385524994
I just beat both games in the hardest difficulty and the only levels I had problems with were the haunted cathedral (couldn't find enough loot), Thieves guild, and Masks(where I ran out of arrows and still needed 1600 gold)

>>385528108
It's sad, we used to have good Thief threads but they're becoming a rarity these days.

cock rings

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Anyone else think Life of the Party is pretty overrated?

The whole rooftop part was really linear, it has cool shit like the drunk waifufags and the book easter egg, but otherwise it's just meh sneaking, and the Angelwatch section can be pretty annoying if you miss any of the things required. It's a great mission, but top 5? Come on.

>>385528456
Well yeah, that doesn't stop threads about it dying super fast

>>385527652
KILL ALL THE BUGBEASTS, ANON

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>>385528108
>Mission
Blackmail

>character
Garrett obviously, but not counting him I'd go with Raoul under the opera house.

>recommended fan mission to play
Pic related are my ratings for TG FM's I've played. I try to use the full scale so even the 2.5 star one's still a fun mission, it's just not very remarkable and has a few problems like poorly translated readables. Haven't played many T2 FM's yet but Inverted Manse is 5/5.

>>385528469
No I didn't, but now that I do know I can always look for it. Thanks for the info, just a good reason to replay it again for New years

>>385527819
EAX always made it sound like your footsteps were behind you. Couldn't stand it so I just disable it.

>>385528108
>Mission
Shipping... and Receiving
I just love breaking into each very distinct cargo room. Reading about the owners, etc.

>Character
Benny. Listening to him rambling in various missions is gold. And Garrett always gets him fired, more or less.

>>385529102
I have some audiophile bookshelf speakers, it sounds fucking amazing on them.

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>>385528815
I definitely feel like it's a quantity over quality as far as gameplay goes. But regardless there's so much memorable shit in it.

>guard fight
>mage keep
>coming across other thieves
>THE BUMBLESONS
>drunk guards
>the keeper
>"don't mind me, ladies"
And that's all before you get to angelwatch

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>>385529280
>the keeper
W-what keeper?

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>You ever woner... looking at all this?
>wonder what?
>well, where all the money for the fany marble, and the carving, and the arts come from?
>from all the people who gave the bank their money
>no no... If the bank spend it on fancy stuff, what if they want it back?
>well, maybe some of them dies first and never ask for it back
>wahh could be, i keep my gold hole locked up, myself, safer that way

Tfw benny knew what was going on.

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>>385529452
That fucker who disappears in the hallway in a building near Angelwatch

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>>385529452
There is a hidden keeper who dissapears at the start, to one of the windows to the left.
Closer to the tower you see an actual note.

>>385528108
>favourite mission
Return to Cathedral, Framed, Lost City, Sword, Sog of the Caverns, Cragsleft Prison. Thief 2 missions are weak imo

>>385529510
>tfw benny was literally too intelligent

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What the fuck was her problem?

>>385529734
>i have the gibby shibby something awfull, like, someone is watching me, even now
True.

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>we will never get a game about viktoria and garret planning missions and getting super rich

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>>385529693
>>385529607
You don't say

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>>385529750
I don't know. Haven't played DS. I think she wanted to destroy the keepers though

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>>385528815
It has the best rooftops part in all vidya
I don't think it is overrated at all

>ywn walk like a mantis man

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>>385530018
She's fucking dead, bro.

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It still hurts.

>>385529280
Why do people keep drawing Garrett with that generic scar? Did they even play the fucking games? His eye was ripped out, not sliced

>>385529734
>Don't you wanna woman to keep you warm?
>What for? This uniform is plenty warm enough, and it's not even cold out tonight
And a true alpha.

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>>385530018
The originals have a charm that can't be replicated in modern games without just looking goofy, in it's writing, audio and even visually. The same charm was lost with Deus Ex, hell even before HR, in IW. But I'd at least settle for a Thief game with good mechanics and gameplay.

That Viktoria thing would have to be a fan mission.

Thief 2 had the most underrated/overlooked levels in the form of Eavesdropping, Blackmail, Trail of Blood and Precious Cargo

T1/G was the most disturbing and atmospheric.

>play thief
>its fun
>giant spider appears
>uninstall

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>>385530361
Thank deadly shadows for that, because just after, you see garret's empty socket, and no scar.

>>385530316
I know...
I can't believe they got me to care about her after what she did to garret in the first, but she really was just a perfect companion for him.

>tell me more...
>game never gets a worthy sequel
It's almost as bad as ending it on a cliffhanger...

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>>385530361
As someone who has drawn Garrett with a scar it's because it's really easy to make the mental association with losing an eye with it getting skin broken, plus nearly every other character ever with a missing eye has a scar so it's easy to forget that garrett doesn't actually have one.

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>>385530529
>steals the speed potion in the last panel

>>385530538
I legit don't understand why people don't like Trial of Blood, I mean sure it's not sneaking but the atmosphere is so good. It's like Maw of Chaos done right.

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>>385530179
Visual indications!

>>385530731
I liked all the levels, I appreciated them for what they were trying to do. That being said, some are better and worse than others, but they all are bearable and fun to play to some extent.
The loot requirements for the first on expert were fucking retarded though. I spent an hour on Song of Caverns trying to find the last piece of gold I needed to clear the level.

>>385530731
It's the half-life 2 of Thief levels. Set pieces on a linear path. walk ten feet off the trail for a piece of gold. good job.

>>385530856
forgot to mention, and then the second had loot requirements too low. I liked how the loot requirement makes you explore a level, they should have found a good middle ground between 1 and 2.

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>>385530870

>>385530856
Same thing happened to me on the Lost City, I shamefully looked for a walkthrough because I was tired of looking, although I was playing on Hard.

>>385531062
I had to look up a walkthrough for a few levels myself. I tried my hardest to explore before breaking, though.

>>385530538
>Eavesdropping
Underwhelmingly tiny chapel where you can't take two steps without triggering everything around because LOL METAL FLOOR. It's so boring and symmetrical.
>Precious Cargo
This is the most linear mission in both T1/T2.

Some of the levels are more enjoyable on higher or lower difficulties desu

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>>385530571
No scar.

>>385520354

DS with Sneaky Upgrade mod is great though.

>>385530340
There were too pure to survive in this jewish industry, rip in pieces

>>385531325
DS is pretty good, aside from the loading screens in missions. If they can be modded out you got a superb game.

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>>385531643
>the game actually crashes and basically start over every time it loads
The power of unreal engine...

>>385531325
I played through it and the missions were mostly good with a few great ones (you know the one). Towards the end I was rushing because I wanted it to be over, I hated the hub city to death and I think it was the main thing dragging it down for me.

Fuck the floating glitch too, god damn it was annoying, thankfully if I remember correctly drawing an arrow and putting it away fixed it.

>>385528108
>>mission
The Mage Towers
>>character
Garrett
>>recommended fan mission to play
Autumn in Lampfire Hills
A Winter's Night

>>385528108
>mission
soulforge
>character
Benny
>fan missions
The rocksbourg series because it has agood mix between horror and sneaking and the chalice of souls because of its verticality wich is not that common.

PLEASE BE WARNED
A MISGUIDED SOUL

>>385531643

Sneaky Upgrade mod stitches the levels together and removes loading zones. Only in missions though, loading zones are still there in the hub unfortunately.

>>385531901

The negative impact of this on the game is minimal as fuck to literally nothing. Wow you see your desktop for 2 seconds while the game loads.

>>385535180
>tile

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>>385527479
>perhaps this one is outdated too
Yep, by a whole 1 fan mission

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Once Thief stops being spooky, it starts to get comfy.

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Hi, want to talk about the purifying flame and the builders arrival?

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What was going on here?

>>385535924
Grafting the masks onto victims, pretty obvious.

>>385535924
Can you see if they are ded or knocked out?

>>385535924
>>385536010
You can see in the servants (converted regular mechanist) you encounter in soulforge that they are bleeding through the mask, and also there is a note below the plans room that shows how karras just went full crazy and converted everyone he had on hand.
>>385536131
Its not totally explained, the T2X shows it but its not canon.

>>385536131
Most likely knocked out. Karras needs living people to act as "servants", no real reason to jam a mask onto a corpse.

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>>385535924
Now check under the floor.

>>385536062
*giggles*

>>385516589
Heh every Brooker review I read is golden. Still glad I went into Thief: TDP knowing absolutely nothing about it from previews though.

>>385536289
>>385536356
>Its not totally explained
I think they're unconscious, precisely because of what I mentioned before about what's under the floor. The discard pile.

>>385516046
>Trace the Courier
I agree it's shit, but just because it rehashes an existing map, if it was an original map and something akin to "Assassins" from TDP, it would have been god-tier.
>Trail of Blood
Even though the environment doesn't fit the rest of the game, it makes sense story-wise and is needed to establish Victoria working together with Garrett. Plus the mission itself was great, except extremely linear (probably the most linear mission in the original duology, together with "Into the Maw of Chaos") and sadly pretty short.
>Masks/Casing the Joint
Yes, the two missions share the same map, but the map is excellent. "Casing the Joint" is shit because you absolutely must not be seen, you have no freedom in approaching the level. "Masks" is fantastic, on the other hand, because you can do whatever you want on the map.
>Eavesdropping
>You are forced to spend 10 minutes listening to a conversation between Karras and Truart. You cannot move or you will fail the mission.
Why is this bad?
>The rest of the level is relatively short.
But well-designed. How did you not love the map, even though it's short? The first seven missions in Thief 2 are perfect, the game shits the bed in the second half because it was rushed.
The bad missions of Thief 2 are "Trace the Courier", "Kidnap", "Casing the Joint" and "Sabotage at Soulforge", everything else is 10/10.

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>>385536948
>Sabotage at Soulforge
>bad

This is a bigger mark of a pleb than liking thief 2 over gold

>>385537205
Explain to me, why do you think that "Sabotage at Soulforge" is good?
Thief Gold has some god-tier stuff, but it shits the bed so hard near the end, with "Escape" and especially "Strange Bedfellows", that it simply can't be better than Thief 2. The worst missions in Thief 2 are (mostly) the ones that rehash an existing map. Better to play a same map another time, than a shitty new one.

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>>385536289
>>385536356
>>385536796
I think they're alive but are connected(via masks) to some AI network that controls them most of the time.

Also most of their organs were probably replaced for rust gas n to remove food/water needs

Quotes: http://thief.wikia com/wiki/T2_Sound_Folder:_Slave

>>385530584
>we will never see more of banter that he had with her before certain missions in Thief 2
Why did it have to be like this

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>>385537648
Well I autistically level skipped my way there. The unconscious body from the mechanist worker that I knocked out says "unconscious body" while the male and female on the table are corpses.

But this can probably just be a dev using the easiest method to place a body. Because the in-process-soon-to-be mechanists are both breathing heavily in their pods.

>>385531643
faction system still sucks dick, the game makes you clumsier because you have a real world model, the story could be a much better non-retconning mess, and for god's sake, i miss the rope arrows

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>>385513881
I like to think both of them as the same game divided in two parts since the ending of the first one is so connected with the events of the second one
so I don't have to think which one is better

>>385537439
Not him but.
Compare all of them, even that unholy shit that is the last reboot, and take the last mission as "the final boss" fight.
>In gold you just need to go through some cavern, practice archery, and then just replace a single objet and then wait for the trickster to finnish his ritual.
Prevent the trickster to install ATI drivers on linux
>in the metal age you need to gather info and build a device for a sabotage while the entire cathedral is filled with childrens and the remaining mechanist, so you need to sneak all of them
Hack mechanist WIFI so the servans go allah ackbar inside the cathedral.
>in deadly shadows you need to go to each part of the city, where gamal is conveniently waiting for you and dosent take the artifacts once you put them, or destroy them or whatever because she is OP as fuck
Got fucking tired of the city being a fucking chaos because of the enforcers? well now you have statues and gammal herself to add tot he fun.
>in the shit reboot you need to walk through wood beams and click into some shit because that ghost bitch is like "AMA THIEF GRILL AND YOU ARE JELLY"
Press X to thief.

The one that goes closer to what thief is about is soulforge.

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>>385520504
Victoria

>>385538997
"Into the Maw of Chaos" was greatly designed, even though it was linear. It was fun to slide down and dogde stuff, then there's that water section, or the one where you're climbing inside a tree (Thief Gold had a lot more platforming than II, which I love) etc.
I agree that Soulforge is probably the closest to what Thief is, but I immensely dislike the missoin, maybe because the Cathedral looks so dull and ugly (not to mention you only have robots and you can't explore to find hidden goodies or rob people), or because it could have been done better, for example if you infiltrated Karras' mansion and killed him stealthily.

>>385529102
You get used to it. Trust me EAX is worth it.

>>385531325
>>385531643
Does the movement still suck ass?

>>385539368
I agree on both of your points, if they had way more transformed mechanist to fill it, maybe it wont feel so empty as it is, and the no loot too, if there was some vault or something filled with blueprints or valuables, even using the factories to build something to open it, and some scattered pieces here and there would be perfect.
But after the mansion, you were WTF too much to even blink about the maw, thats why IMO is below soulforge, but also i love steampunk too much to not be impartial.
>>385527819
>>385529102
>>385540156
got late on this, the patches come with Open AL wich enables it through software or something, not the exact same but still an improvement.

>>385540574
>and the no loot too, if there was some vault or something filled with blueprints or valuables, even using the factories to build something to open it, and some scattered pieces here and there would be perfect.
not that there really needs to be. since it's the last level of the game

how's nu-Garrett?Did they call the same VA from the originals?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zIFJ8ScSx8

>>385542296
No because he didn't look like nu-Garret so he couldn't do mocap

>>385542296
awful and no

Threads like these are why /v/ is now better than /tv/
Try to make a thread about cult classic masterpieces or a foreign film on /tv/. 20 replies max and then it dies.

first time playing this game, I'm now at the lost city level. I'm actually surprised at how good it is. I would also enjoy a game like this without the zombie/magic stuff, I liked the game better when before the zombie church level.

>>385543068
Keep up, the undead levels of Gold are sketchy but they get better, either way you should play 1 before 2.

Thief 2 is way more sneaking oriented by the way, so don't worry about it.

>>385513881
>There are people that don't equally like both games

They are both great for their own reasons, Thief 1 has supernatural spookiness while Thief 2 is more of a pure stealth game. Thief 2 also had the better final level unlike Thief 1 where you literally walk down to the Trickster to win, the Soulforge is an actual final level that puts all your skills to the test to sneak around a a huge build made out of nothing but hard loud cold metal.

>>385516046
More focus on stealth gameplay, a bunch of god-tier levels, mostly stacked towards the beginning of the game.
It was pretty good.
But yeah, it had its bad points too.

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Best moment in Thief 2

I like Thief 1 more because you actually get to use your sword once in a while.

>>385524994
>he didn't play both Thief game on expert on his first playthrough for the full experience

I never play on any setting other than expert.

>>385544380
Who was in the wrong there?

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>>385542296
>how's nu-Garrett?
A completely different character. I don't even acknowledge him as Garrett. Gif related, the new devs behind nu-Garrett.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asM9guG7KlE

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>>385529280
>mfw reading Karras' guest list and the Rothchilds were invited after all but their invitation was delivered to the wrong address

>>385544968
both sides were actually correct

>>385545058
>It's not about the payment, it's who I am
fucking kill me

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>>385545605
>>385545058
>when I want something
>I always get it

Man, seriously?

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>>385545829
>>385545605
>The challenge IS everything

fire shadows>haunts>apparitions>fire elementals>zombies

One thing I hate about DS is that even if playing on expert there's no penalty for killing people. Is there a mod that adds in the no killing rule, even while in the city HUB?

>>385529750
MUH GLYPHS

Also, her cover was blown.

>>385544795
Bonehoard is fucking impossible on expert with no guide on a first playthrough

>>385549638
You just suck and aren't a good thief

>>385549638
Yeah, no.
It's called exploration, try it.

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>>385513881
THE FUCKIGN THIEF DEN OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED FUCKING SUX


>IT'S GARRETT

NO FUCK YOU

>>385549896
>>385549928
I remember walking around the level and exploring every single facet of it but couldn't find one fucking last secondary objective.

Telling first time players that they should play on expert is retarded. A better suggestion is to play the second highest difficulty but accomplish all the secondary objectives and get no kills anyway

>>385550109
Telling new players to play on anything other than Expert is beyond retarded.
You'd be literally suggesting that they play a gimped version of the game, just because you were too incompetent to find your way around the map. Stop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qjo5GmEgPE

>>385550287
It's not a gimped version of the game you retard
>if you can't 100% it on your first playthrough then you're not really playing the game
So you'd rather have people get stuck on the fucking third level because they can only 95% it and have them drop the game forever? That would be autistic

>>385550516
It quite literally is a gimped version, as it removes enemies and objectives.
The only people getting stuck on the third level of the game are the ones with zero spatial awareness, such as yourself.
As I said, stop.

>>385550459
30k views
Huh

>>385551037
I was surprised to find it.

>>385550790
>crawl bonehoard from top to bottom
>get all the treasure, complete all special objectives
>go back and forth across the entire map
>find every shortcut
>be skilled enough to avoid undead combat the entire time
>can't find one last thing
>instead of being able to just give up on it and move onto the rest of the game I now have to either look at a guide or quit
You have autism. There'd literally be nothing wrong with having the option to just skip to the next level

>>385550459
>2006

huh. Thief has a female fanbase?

>>385551258
What were you missing?

>>385550459
>Garrett killing people

>>385551365
I don't remember, it's been three years now since I last picked up the game because the laptop I was playing it on broke and I never bothered to start from the beginning again on my current computer

Is it normal to get aroused every time I hear Garrett talk?

>>385551479
>I don't remember

You sound like a brainlet tbqh. I played it my first time on expert and no problem.

>>385551670
only if you're female or gay

>>385551258
Let me get this straight. First you suggest that first-timers shouldn't play on Expert, and now you're saying that the game should have a level skip?
Have you EVER considered that YOU are the problem; that stealth games, especially difficult ones such as Thief, aren't for you? Go give Splinter Cell: Conviction a shot, I bet it will be right up your alley.

>>385551346
Yes.

>>385552381
huh.
Is it like VTMB where there's a weirdly large audience of women for the game?

I mean, already knew about that one woman on deviantart who is obsessed with Hammer Haunts, but I had no idea.

>>385552701
That the same chick obsessed with Mechanists?
The Mechanist search is FULL of her shit.

>>385552701
>that one woman on deviantart who is obsessed with Hammer Haunts
What

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>>385553119

>>385551346
I wonder how they felt about thiaf and the love interest/rival/whatever the fuck

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>>385553119
http://csupernova.deviantart.com/gallery/3192704/Thief
probably autistic probably german woman

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>>385552701
Not him, I wasn't aware of this either. But I assume it's something akin to Silent Hill, where women have some sort of attraction to Pyramid Head, go figure.

I just assumed the Thief video was a joke, with all the movie maker standard text and backgrounds.

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Real treasure trove right here.

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>>385553296
>>385553392
What the fuck

>>385553352
Knowing women, they probably love feminine emo Garrett, but the also probably miss Russel's voice.

My guess is that they ship the two Garretts together and draw yaois of them.

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>>385553496
Is there a problem, anon?

>>385553413
For some reason the female fanbase of some older games is surprisingly big
Pathologic has an absurdly huge female fanbase, you are more likely to find fujo ERP than discussions about the game itself, and out of 10 lets plays, 9 are made by women

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This was fan art of her work. I like it ironically and unironically.

>>385553296
>>385553442
/ourgal/

B-But Haunts feel more like a Hammerite sinners that Trickster uses

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>>385553697
Nehema: Baybee.... *takes the hands again, windmachine is ON*
Hauntie: *cutesy piano theme in the bg* *must yell over the wind* Yes baybee?
Nehema: I LOVE YOU, HAUNTIE!
Hauntie: I LOVE YOU TOO HEMY
Nehema: Now you have to carry me outside, while I wear your cap and everyone applauds.
Hauntie: *cap on head, Hemy into arms!* *carries forth the not so blushing bride*

>>385553442
>>385553585
>>385553802
I mean, great taste in videogames and her drawing it's way better than what I expected. But it's such a weird thing to behold that even after having it right in front of me I wonder if it's real or not.

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All you faggots recommending newbies to play the higher difficulty modes need to pipe the fuck down, you save that shit for another playthrough as all the extra objectives and map exploration is basically NewGame+

>>385553837
Better than fujoshit

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>>385553631
>>385553837
>>385553697
>Good taste
My crazy bitch detector is off the charts though.

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>>385553837
What gets me is that you see this kind of stuff on 4chan all the time. But when you see a woman do it, it's so unsettling. It's like a sucker punch to the chin; you don't know what happened and you don't know how to react.

>>385554076
Of course you wouldn't want to be in a relationship with her, but she'd probably be cool to talk to about Thief.

>>385553898
This. Who the fuck is an "expert" at anything their first time through?

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>>385554246
>>385554076
She's probably a decent gal to discuss favorite levels with. That's probably as far as you'd want to go though.

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>>385554076
It's just the opposite version of the "save the princess" threads
Fascinating stuff, really

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>>385554246
>>385554515
>>385554605
Well there comes that side of either liking Silent Hill, or liking Pyramid Head, side to girls. Does she like the video games or is somehow obsessed with hammer haunts? There's just something off about the images I've seen. It's too specific to be precise. It's not a love of Thief, it's a love of Haunts.

>>385551346
nigga
http://www.lytha.com/thief/index.phtml

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>>385554605
>tfw you'll never be so crazy fujo's scary skeleton knight husbando

>>385529510
was it implied they kill some people for the money? that's even more dark than what I expected it to be.

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>>385554710
Well she's also really into Mechanists.

>>385554710
She does general thief fanart. It's not just limited to Haunts. She also likes Karras and Sheriff Truart.

>>385554858
MECHANIZED

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>>385513881
>Some people unironically, without a hint of self-awareness, believe that no one could have a different opinion

>>385551961
Absolutely not. All I said is that expert difficulty forces you to complete all side objectives, and being unable or unwilling to complete one of them shouldn't be the fucking biggest deal in the world.

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>>385554945
KARRAS'D

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>>385554858
>tfw Karras will never brainwash you into his loyal servant and use you like a sex toy
Why even live?

>>385554858
>>385554868
Oh, alright. I only viewed the one link and the images posted in this thread. Seems it was somewhat inaccurate.

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this fucking thread

>enjoying these garbage games
c'mon guys

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Okay that's enough csupernova posting.
>>385553392 Peruse her gallery right here for more works of art.

>>385555214
Come on now, it's not that bad.

>>385555310
a misguided soul indeed

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>>385554773
I think he ment when they die of old age.
>>385555310
Pic related.

>>385555310
*shoots water arrow into the boiler*

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>>385555435
>>385555214
Bad? It started out trash and ended into actual discussion. It ended up as a genuine good Thief thread.

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>*blows its predecessors out the water*

>>385555718
I remember someone saying once before that a thread with a deliberately inflammatory OP is likely to generate discussion because it attracts more people.

>>385517738
I would but some taffer went and nicked mine.

>>385555930
>pic unrelated

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>>385545058
>did ya miss me?

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>>385555972
I think that's true to some extent. But it also heavily depends on the games relevancy, popularity and fanbase. Here we have a good fanbase, and so instead of endless shitposting or worse, ironic shitposting, people ignore OP and go off on a tangent topic.

It's bound to happen with as few threads we have about Thief, or good old games in general.