The same year Nintendo gets back in the game. Is the same year

But what "Best of the best" are they putting out? Bloodborne is supposed to be the "best of the best". They put out a shitty open world game recently, and raised the price of PS+. That's not putting your best of your best.

>>385464757
>he same year Nintendo gets back in the game. Is the same year Sony gets their ass in gear with their exclusives
Bloodborne II is coming

Nintendo consoles and handhelds sell less and less each gen, with wii being lighting in a bottle.

This fact triggers fanboys.

>>385464854
It's just 10 more dollars a year. You're not poor are you?

>>385464992
>You're not poor are you
No, I'm not. I don't own a PS4. I'm just trying to contribute to a discussion. But it seems that that's not happening as the only reply I got is a tired meme.

>>385464757
Might want to loosen your tinfoil hat just a tad.

>>385464992
I'm not paying $10 extra for the ability to play online when the only thing I'm getting out of it is shitty indies and garbage AAA games that I could find in a bargain bin. I'm buying an xbone x, done with Sony

>>385464854
But what "gets back in the game" is happening? Switch is supposed to be the " gets back in the game". They put out a shitty open world game recently, and will charge for online. That's not gets back in the game.

>>385465201
>>385465094
So you're saying that paying for online is a dumb idea in general, and that the "poor" defense isn't welcome when that money isn't being used to better your experience because it goes directly into the pockets of CEOs instead of improving infrastructure.

>>385465201
>I'm buying an xbone x
...To pay the same amount you would with plus with 2/3s of the games you get each month?

I have a Switch and a PS4 so I'm good with them both being successful. Why must we fight?

>>385464854
Regardless of /v/'s opinion. Shitty open world meme game #3296492 was a resounding critical and financial success. Same with Persona 5, Nioh and Yakuza. Which basically told the eastern market that we want Japanese games.

>>385465479
But aren't games like Uncharted and Call of Duty and Playerunknown Battleground a resounding critical success? So by your logic those games are also good.

>>385465431
Oh I'm not wanting to start a fight. It's a fact that Sony got lazy when the Wii U was underperforming. Now they got back in it and wanna compete for the crown. Remember, the XBONE had never been competition

>>385465628
I think it's just coincidence. With the pace of game making, any direct response to the Switch probably won't show until mid-2018 at earliest. As a schematic.

>>385465628
>wanna compete for the crown
WiiU: killed by PS4
Switch: will be killed by PS4

>>385465623
But aren't games like Mario Kart and Splatoon and BOTW a resounding critical success? So by your logic those games are also good.

>>385465628
You just can't have great games in the pipe all the time. Especially Sony, their strong suit isn't exclusives to begin with. Most of the time it's just the best place to play the game. Like DQ11. Yeah, you can play it on 3DS, but it's a lot better on PS4. Or Persona 5, or Nier Automata, etc..

>>385466097
This. Fuckign RIP Nutendo you won't be missed. Can't wait for the Shitch to bomb and Ninty to be killed by Sony.

>>385466097
PS4 is killing everything. Sony will be doing everyone else in the market a favor by making PS5 so there's some breathing room for a month or two.
>>385466432
Here you go.

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>>385466097
>this is what people actually believe

>>385465623
By my logic, those games games justify buying a console for exclusives
>>385465906
Gotta take into account how gamemakers have inside sources and know these things months or a year before hand. So they can plan a release window
>>385466097
Nintendo killed the Wii U dude. Sony didn't even have to intervine

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>>385464757
NINTENDO FAG HERE, I COMPLETELY fuckin agree.

PS4 is at 60 mil, and what do you have to show for it, about 10 must have exclusives.
The PS3 at this stage has 4x as much exclusives.

Face it, SONY winning this GEN was a mistake. XBOX too far behind to care, and Nintendo was only pleasing with 8/10 titles.

In the Wii, XBOX360 era, PS was kicking ass back.
The gaming industry need COMPETITION to THRIVE, or it becomes stale. The fact that their fighting creates the BEST games.

NIntendo left the competion and decided to be a retired artist. Sony broke through and XBOX left in the dust unmotivated, collecting third party titles.

But NOW nintendos back, trust me, SONY wants it. Sony wants the consumer interest while high, Nintendo being consumer friendly, SONY is gonna fight back with DEALS and lowcost gaming.

>>385466530
I love my PS4 and Switch. I recently started playing BOTW again. I love being able to chill under my covers and play. My PS4 hasn't gotten any action since FF15 sadly.

>>385466607
Don't be surprised if Sony comes out of left field with some great shit at PSX. Now they HAVE to compete for the market instead of just stalling it.

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>>385464757
>Finally decided to look at the switch library
>Literally the only game I care about is disgaea 5 since open world games tend to be hot garbage, and even then it's also on ps4
>Looked at the upcoming releases
>Literally nothing until october
>Splatoon 2 is just a third person shooter filled with children. Again.

Fanboy or not, you literally can not defend this library.

>>385466624
Splatoon on my Switch for me. On my PS4 I got Injustice 2 on using AI to grind parts while I wait for Starfire to come out...Though since she's not a rushdown my reason to keep playing remains to be seen.

>>385467016
Well technically one can, but you won't hear it either way because this is /v/

>>385464992
>paying for online
>mostly p2p servers
>defending a price hike for no reason
pathetic tbqh

>>385466185
>>385466591
You're both right, so when you say the Ps4 isn't worth a purchase, you're being hypocrites.

>>385467128
That being said though, it might get decent next year.
Unless it has a gamecube or ps2 tier library, I don't see the point of getting a switch.
Especially when last gen games are fucking dirt cheap right now.

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>>385467240
>defending a price hike for no reason
>but paying 20 bucks for the Switch's online is just fine. Who cares if they're not using the money to improve the online?

>>385467267
Who is crazy enough to say the PS4 isn't worth a purchase? Switch on the other hand

>>385467313
Honestly at this point even PS2's library is a stretch because at least then there were several companies still willing to go the distance with some interesting new things that weren't literally-who indie installments. I'm STILL waiting for an Okami 2 and a resolution to Jak and Daxter's loose ends.

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>>385464757
>Is the same year Sony gets their ass in gear with their exclusives.

>>385467016
Let's look at it from a marketing perspective. BOTW and Splatoon are selling extremely well. Then when SMO releases it'll be a great starting year for the Switch, what it needs is a holiday season to cement itself with game bundles.
>>385467267
When did I say it's not worth a purchase? It's definitely worth one specially now! And I don't even like PS4 and play on PC

>>385467487
>>385467678
>all this damage control when the past year has been people crapping on the PS4 and anyone who dared to defend it

You guys love to flip flop when it's convenient.

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>>385467397
>i-it's ok because nintendo does it
I don't pay for online anywhere faggot, but feel free to continue choking on corporate cock rather than criticizing your console

>>385467817
Uh what

>>385467817
You mean insecure Ninggers who were jealous? PS4 sold 70 million in 3.5 years for a reason.

>>385464854
Bloodborne is not even the best of its series.

>>385467912
>>385467817
Get a room.

>>385467879
>>385467897
>>385467912
As long as we're on the same page. It it's not okay for one console, it can't be for any of them. If you're defending it on one console, you have to tolerate it everywhere. Having a middle ground just makes the person in question look like a hypocrite. and no, I'm not accusing /v/ of being one person, just making a general statement I'm sure we can agree with.

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>>385464854
Seems like you live under a rock and were completely unaware of all the releases on PS4 in Q1 alone.
Not to mention what came RIGHT before (DQ Builders, World of FF, Let it Die, etc) and RIGHT after (Crash, WipeOut, Parapa... well... remaster season) what's shown in pic related.

>>385468073
I haven't defended any console of being money grubbers. The fact that Sony and Nintendo just went and started charging for Multiplayer is atrocious and greedy. But the fact remains that their respective consoles and exclusives have been very successful this year. And Sony came out the gates this year with great games while Nintendo's drip feeding some great sellers. As it stands, I'm glad they're being successful and are trying to impress the gamer audience.

But yeah charging for online is never defendable

>>385468241
Nioh, HZD, Persona 5 and Yakuza 0 are the only great sellers the PS4 has there. The rest are either Non-sellers or multiplats.

>>385468241
take out the weeb games, take out the multiplats and you've got Yakuza and Horizon. It's not exactly a deluge.

this is one of the most retarded threads I've ever seen

>>385464757
>nintendo back in the game

ya ok.

still waiting for a game to play on the shit that is not a wiiu port or pc indie port.

>>385464757
>assuming Sony didn't get serious because they are scared of the Atari Box
I still agree that competition in the console market is important, the lack of competition is why the 7th generation was so lackluster.
Just look at Windows, the system gets worse with every iteration (exception 7), and they don't give a shit because they have almost a monopoly on the computer gaming market.

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>>385468961
>Actually discussing two console's success instead of meeming
>Retarded thread
Never change /v/

>>385469236
>shitch
>""""""""""""""""success"""""""""""'"'''

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>>385469179
I wish the Atari box is the thing that's scaring everyone, even Microsoft

>>385464757
Well that's good, because I enjoy good video games, and I don't care what company makes them.

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>>385468593
Persona 5 is too. I'll never forget it.
I still blame the PS4 for delaying my game.

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why do you have a console when you can be playing pubg and mmo minecraft clone

>>385469331
This is definitely all that matters.

Nintendo will probably get a lot of exclusives simply due to being a different hardware platform, but hopefully the relatively inexpensive costs to develop for the Switch could allow most publishers to have a team churning out new games as well as, adapting and adopting current IP for the switch.

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>>385468593
Who was talkin about best sellers? I wasn't. The original poster I quoted wasn't. Why did you bring up sales and popularity? That was.. random.

Nier:A, GravityRush2, GuiltyGear Rev2, Wipeout Omega, heck even DragonQuest Heroes 2 and every other game you mentioned are far more interesting to me than Horizon, for example. How does it affect any individual player how well a game sells? How does it help your argument? I don't get it.

I think we can also put the multiplat meme to rest considering that they are what sell consoles the most. Even the top2 selling Switch games, BotW and MK8 are WiiU multiplats. Just because a game is multiplat doesn't make it "count" any less. That retarded logic goes into self-defeating loopholes VERY quickly:
For example Digimon World is a PS4/Vita game. From the perspective of a PS4 owner "It's also a Vita game" so it doesn't count as a PS4 game and should be removed from lists. From the perspective of a Vita owner "It's also a PS4 game" so it should be removed from Vita lists. In the end the game doesn't exist for ANY platform because it's on both of them. Simply stupid.

>>385468663
Oh, a "weeb" word user. Impossible to argue with your type. Weeb is literally meaningless, just a word you mold around games you personally don't care for. Yakuza is one of the "weeb-iest" games out there, but because of an irrelevant factor like art direction it doesn't register as "weeb" for you? Even though 100% about japanese culture and if full of japanese humor and japanese quirks? Did you ever play Yakuza side-quests? Because they come straight outta anime town, not even Persona5 can stand a chance compared to them.

Even if your stupid logic and impaired brain I can not comprehend how you say Yakuza0 isn't a weeb game but NioH is. They both share similar artstyles but Yakuza has a contemporary setting and is much more cheesy, while NioH happens in the past and uses jap folklore, with a serious vibe. Explain

>>385464757
Sonybro here.
I genuinely want Nintendo to succeed and be Sony's one and only competitor.
I want Microsoft to fuck off from the console industry to see pay for online drop from both PlayStation and switch and for DLC to fuck off.

Its a real shame all the fucked up shit that Microsoft Brought will never go now even after Microsoft closes their shitty console department.

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>>385469331
*focus group your path*

>>385464757
Nintendo has been secondary and an afterthought for so long, and no, that will not change anytime soon.

>>385469650
>are far more interesting to me than Horizon, for example. How does it affect any individual player how well a game sells?
The first point, games that were usually made for niche markets died out or are made by indie devs. So bigger games need wider appeal.

And sales affects players simply because of a game doesn't sale. You won't get a sequel and the studio maybe even die out. Sales matter a lot

>>385464992
Oh, hey there NeoGAF

>>385469557
>M-Maybe this time we'll get third party support

>>385468073
>It it's not okay for one console, it can't be for any of them
Who has ever defended paying for online? It's a blatant scam.

>>385469687
XBOX, PS2 and GC era was freaking amazing. But Microsoft kinda forgot how to make games and decided to be an industry asshole.
>>385470078
Sorry sonybro. But even Sony knows that nintendo can't be left to their own devices anymore

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>>385466607
>lowcost gaming
>just increased the price for paid online for the second time

>>385464757
Well. Sony aren't top dog in Japan any more. Which is probably one of the best thing that could have ever happened to Sony fans to be frank.
Now if only they could stop doing crap like charging for online and making said charges even more expensive. Like FUCK.

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>>385470094
>games that were usually made for niche markets died out or are made by indie devs. So bigger games need wider appeal.
Clearly proven wrong by the 8 or so games that I mentioned and you consider niche. How did they "die out" and yet exist? Some of them sequels. What the fuck are you talking about?

It's almost as if in you tiny head you only know of AAA games and indie games. There's NOTHING in-between those two extremes. The AA developers and publishers don't exist in you mind. (see pic related, another example of a long-lasting niche franchise that is getting another sequel this year)

>You won't get a sequel and the studio maybe even die out. Sales matter a lot
I honestly didn't read the second part of your post before writing all of that. Today you learned that there are middle-ground sized studios smaller than 1000 people and bigger than 10 people. I guess I have nothing else to add.

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>>385466607
>The gaming industry need COMPETITION to THRIVE
I don't understand this lie. You MUST be underage.

Most people easily agree that 5th and 6th gens were golden ages of vidya. Did you know that the PS1 sold as much as the Wii? That it outsold the N64 by 300% (3 to 1)? For comparison the PS4 is outselling the Xbone 2-to-1 and by your own admition you're saying PS4 is COMPLETELY dominating.
Now if you think PS1 selling as much as the Wii and tripling N64 sales was bad... take a look at PS2. The Ps2 outsold the Gamecube SEVEN AND A HALF to one, a whopping 750% more units sold (for comparison the Wii only outsold the PS3 by 20% and look how everyone assumes it "dominated" 7th gen)

Competition is not required at ALL to make vidya thrive. If anything Sony dominations made vidya thrive. 7th gen (last gen) was the most equal we've ever had and yet it was also one of the worst, a mere shadow of the previous two. Competition between platform holders is irrelevant to good vidya years, if anything it's detrimental.

>>385470830
I'm not saying double A games are a bad thing or don't exist. In fact in an earlier post I said that Persona and Yakuza proved to the eastern market that the west wants more Japanese AA games.

But AA games don't keep consoles alive sadly. I wish that were the case

>>385471438
always love to have you here mr.warden

>>385471438
Ok level with me for a bit. The reason Sony sold so well is because competition. They NEEDED to be the best in the market to win. Now take away the factor that they're trying to win. Take away anyone challenging Sony, and guess what. They won't even try, that's what happened to the Wii U, no one could beat the Wii. So they got complacent with the Wii u and look how well that went

>>385471771
pretty well so far

this gen overall is still miles better than the last

>>385471438
>If anything Sony dominations made vidya thrive. 7th gen (last gen) was the most equal we've ever had and yet it was also one of the worst, a mere shadow of the previous two.
And yet this gen is basically 7th generation with better graphics, all the problems of 7th generation are still here or have been made worse.

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>>385471559
They don't keep consoles alive, but they don't need to. Fifa, Cod and GTA will do that for them.

Anyway this is all high-level stuff that is completely irrelevant to each individual consumer. I asked you why you wouldn't "count" games that are niche as a reason to buy a PS4 and all you came up with were sales, which are irrelevant to anyone personally. I'll play GravityRush2 over FF15 any day of the week. The fact that GR2 isn't a multi million seller doesn't mean a thing to me or any consumer.
You also seem to forget that AA games only need to sell to "AA" expectations. Most of them survive with 100k sales just fine.

>>385471771
But Sony already went through that phase with the PS3. It was a colossal mistake at launch that they won't ever repeat. They won't be in the forefront of technology selling super expensive systems day1 assuming consumers will go to them. They are still recovering from that mistake financially. PS4 isn't doing any mistakes outside of paid online. The japanese console market that was nearly dormant last gen is making a huge comeback only 3 (and a half) years into this gen, compared to last gen when we only saw a handful of neat jap titles starting 6 years into it. Sony's not focusing only on the west or selling consoles for $600 or ignoring 3rd party relashionships with jap studios.
I simply don't see where your doom&gloom is coming from (again, except for paid online, which everyone's doing anyway, even Mr.GoodGuyNintendo)

>>385472120
Far from it. 7th gen was a piece of shit on so many levels. Could you be more specific about the problems of 7th gen and how they were made worse this gen? Because all I'm seeing is a vastly increased quality of games at a much faster rate and much earlier in the gen.

>>385471947
Because they have to compete. The last 3 years were extremely slow for Vidya coming from Sony.

>>385472506
Releasing unfinished games because "we'll patch it", truckloads of DLC, rehashes out the ass. All those were the main problems of 7th gen and this gen is even worse than 7th gen was for those.

>>385466607
>But NOW nintendos back
As long as they can keep the Switch's momentum going into 2018 maybe but it's lineup for next year looks pretty bleak so far. Two 2d platformers, Fire Emblem, and no notable multiplats. I really doubt Metroid and Pokemon will be 2018 and we still have no idea what Retro and Platinum are doing so I doubt we'll be getting anything from them either. I hope to god we get a Direct with a bunch of surprise announcements before the end of the year or else Ninty might shoot themselves in the foot again.

>>385464757


>Sony competing with Nintendo = GOOD

>Sony competing with MS = BAD

Remove Microsoft.

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>>385473174
>Releasing unfinished games because "we'll patch it", truckloads of DLC,
Easily avoidable if you don't buy shit games. Something you shouldn't be doing in the first place.
The main culprits are ActivisionBlizzard/EA/Ubisoft and if you're playing one of their games you're already doing something wrong regardless of their DLC policies (the only exception being Titanfall2 I guess)

>rehashes out the ass
I won't debate that. There have indeed been a lot of them. But on the other hand I don't see how they are a bad thing.
Unlike your first point (to which my answer is "you're shit out of luck if you actually like those games, but you shouldn't like them in the first place") this once makes no sense as a bad thing. Just ignore the remasters. If you think Crash in HD is useless because you already own the originals... then just go play the originals and ignore the remake. If you don't like the new look of Zelda WindWaker on the WiiU... just ignore it and go play or emulate the original gamecube version.
I have zero problems with remakes and remasters because the solution to them (if you hate them) is to simply ignore them. They don't affect you in any way.

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>>385473547
Completely agree

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>>385464757

The sooner sony goes under the better.

Their films are a joke, their electronics are irrelevant, and their exclusives are boring as fuck movie games.

>>385473547
Definetly, competing with MS is just going to make the PS4 a fucking fifa machine.

whereas competing with nintendo is giving us MHW.

>>385473972
No can do friendo. Sony needs to Thrive for gaming to be good.
>>385474025
Which is what almost happened last gen with Sony only promoting shooters and movie games.

>>385474464
I actually hope MS start to compete in the same race with nintendo as well.

Imagine if they did good Banjo/Perfect dark reboots faithful to the originals. It would provide a good competition.

>>385474591
That would make this gen the golden age. If it happens, one can hope.

>>385473972
Agreed, Sony is a cancer, like Microsoft. At least Microsoft is on life support now.

I think it just takes a while to work out deals and then develop games. People are going to complain about Nintendo and a lack of games but wait and see and you will see boat loads of games coming to the system in a year or two. Shit just takes time.

>>385476712
It definitely does. In the meantime Sony keeps releasing games and forcing Nintendo to rise to their standard, then Nintendo responds with an even bigger and more creative game. It's the only thing that can keep the industry active and engaging