So I was playing TTYD for the first time since it came out and

Oh god I just remembered that bullshit where you have to get the permit for the cannon. No wonder I never replayed it. Vivian is 10/10 however.

>>385393967
>having since learned that Vivian was actually a guy

this was proven false.

>>385394370
What do you mean, wasn't Vivian a guy that wanted to be like his sisters, therefore feminine?
So Vivian is just a girl then?

>>385393967
Well, in the English version he isn't a guy.
Japanese kids aren't retarded and have no issues with a boy liking another boy in a game

>>385394370
Bullshit. Vivian is still a guy in the original script

Does Vivian have a butthole?

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>>385395075
No, but Vivian has a cute belly.

>>385395356
more?

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>>385395740
Here.

I have more but it gets MUCH bigger. Bigger than typical normalfag tastes.

>>385395897
Yeah I'm just looking for cute belly. Thanks anon.

>>385395967
Huh, was expecting this chain of replies to have me dump some bigger-than-normal Vivian, but seems like you have your own more down-to-earth tastes. You're welcome, though.

>>385393967
I love Vivian

>>385396096
I have some fucked up fetishes but hyper-bellies just aren't one of them. Cute chubby bellies are great though.

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>>385395075
What a stupid question!!

>>385396657
oh my

>>385394597
That's not what a girl is.

But given Mario characters lack sex organs, babies are delivered by a stork and Tanabe already confirmed toads as just roleplaying genders, it works as an argument.

Great, now I feel like drawing porn of Vivian.
with a dick, regardless if it's official or not

>>385396853
best Vivian

>>385396853
you know you gotta now

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>>385396853
Anything's official if you draw it

>>385396850
>Tanabe

His word means as little as Miyamoto's

>>385396657
I'm gonna need the uncensored version of that buddy.

Just FYI, in the Japanese version of the game, "transvestite" is used as an insult. She's a girl, it's just like saying she has a man face or something.

>>385397985
Are people so retarded they don't realize calling a woman mannish is an insult and not what they are?

>>385393967
>So this type of queer thing isn't seen as inappropriate for children over there as it was here?

What's inappropriate about love?

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>not a retarded trapfag
>find vivian super cute
>all porn is disgusting fatshit or penises

>>385397985
>>385398030
are you dense, she's male in the japanese version

>>385395897
This is as far as I go

>>385398195
No, Bedlam calls her a man because she's constantly insulting her

Why would you take it as anything else?

https://www.mariowiki.com/Vivian#Gender

>>385398259
Because I'm not retarded and can understand exactly what they were meaning?

Furthermore, there's no reason they would drop the transgender shit in the english version if it was just an insult, since americans like you are so readily insulted by the idea of someone not being comfortable with the gender they were born with.

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>>385398248
Whoops

>>385398330
>trusting SJW-wiki
>trusting any fan-wiki

Anon, Vivian is a girl in the Japanese version. The only person that calls her a boy is Bedlam, as an insult.

>>385398259
Gombella confirms Vivian is a male.

>>385398451
And how do you describe the narrative text and her card?

>>385398451
In Pal versión, Vivian is a trap, confirmed boy several times

>>385398401
It's not mentioned in the English version at all. It's only mentioned once in the Japanese version. The "Vivian is a boy" thing arose from people mistaking an insult for truth, and from porn.

This shit isn't un-knowable. Someone go to Japanese 4chan and ask them

>>385393967
and Gombette wants your dick
would you rather fuck a murshroom or a (male) ghost?

>>385398513
Not in the original Japanese version.

>>385398549
Of course it's not in the english version, because you retarded westerners are ACTIVELY INSULTED by the idea of someone being trans, gay, or otherwise abnormal in any form. We don't like it, but we aren't fucking retarded enough to think we have any control over how someone else wants to live their life.

Fucking hell, get over yourself.

>>385398513
I own a Japanese copy, and this guy is actually right. It actually is mentioned in Goombella's tattle, but it's not serious. She heard Bedlam's insult and thought it was true. It's actually not. The language used makes this very clear. It's a minor running gag, because Vivian is really, really girly. She's not actually a boy.

>>385393967
Vivian isnt a guy you moron
This has long been Proven false

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Pic related is the superior Paper Mario
>no transgender bullshit
>no amount of backtracking as bad as Chapter 4
>no General White scavenging

>>385398549
From Super Paper Mario:
「ぺーパーマリオRPG」に
とうじょうした マリオのなかま
火の魔法を 使う キュートな オトコのコ
カゲ三人組という てきの1人だった
Which means
>A cute boy crossdresser who uses fire magic.
Was a member of the "Shadow Trio".

And Goombella's tattle:
「『ビビアン』よ カゲ三人組の一人で いちばん下の妹 ・・・じゃなくて 弟ね」
>"That's Vivian. Of the Shadow Trio, she's the youngest sister... er, brother."

Vivian is a transexual. Literally a "girl (male)"

>>385398682
Listen, man. I'm trying to clear up some misinformation here. Vivian is a girl. In the original script, she is a girl. Stop eating up fanon garbage. She's made of darkness. If you want her to fuck you in the ass, she can. But she is a female.

>>385398682
>Being this insistant that a video game side character is a tranny
>Telling other people to get over themselves

>>385398789
anyone speak nippon that can confirm this

>>385398824
No, you are wrong.
Her card in Super Paper Mario confirms she is a male

>>385393967
Vivian isn't a guy, in the original script her sisters called her a "man" to make fun of her, as in she's ugly like a tranny. This has been proven in other threads before. Stop being retarded please, this isn't even hard to find out.

>>385398789
I just addressed this. That guy is actually partially right. The language used indicates unsureness and the specific syntax used indicates that Goombella is wrong. She overheard Bedlam's insult and thought it was true, much like the general populace. It's a joke made from an insult.

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>Paper Mario threads will now be nothing but gender politics and bitching at Sticker Star/Color Splash

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>>385398880
>her
>she
>male

>>385398824
It's not fanon garbage, I speak Japanese natively and I've played the game in the japanese version. I hate it when you fucking retards who learned the language at the age of 35 try to tell me how to read a language I've read since I was 3.

>>385398789
This anon is right, but there's no point in bothering with these idiots. They use actual fanon garbage like the english translation as proof.

>>385398924
I'm just here for Vivian porn in all honesty.

>>385398914
>>385398854
Me. I've been trying to.

>>385398946
I own the game in the Japanese version and I have confirmed for myself that Vivian is indeed a female.

The entire thing is a big joke on how Bedlam calls Vivian manly despite being extremely feminine, and how everyone assumes she's a tranny despite the fact that she's just a girl because she won't stand up for herself.

This is like kanji all over again.

>>385398835
I'm sorry it bothers me when retarded weebs try to spread their idiotic beliefs that have no basis in any form of truth.

>>385399072
And you don't speak a word of actual Japanese, so fuck off.

I'm impressed watching both sides get so angry. You can fuck it either way, you know.

>>385399072
>>385398914
Super Paper Mario confirms male
explain that

>>385399156
>hurr durr it was a joke really, I've been learning japanese for 3 weeks so I can understand what they are meaning

>>385398924
this wouldnt be a problem if the japs wrote their script better
like honestly if two supposed jap speakers can come to different conclusion, it's probably too ambiguous
though I wonder how the consensus is in actual japan

>>385399149
>You can fuck it either way, you know.
truth

>>385399149
Yes, but WHICH HOLE DO YOU USE.

THIS IS AN EXTREMELY SERIOUS MATTER GO IN THE OTHER ROOM ADULTS ARE TALKING.

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ITT: a bunch of weebs and closet fags argue over the gender of a mario character in a attempt to appease their shit-tier fetish.

>>385399134
I'be worked in Japan for 5 years for my company from 2000 to 2005. I speak Japanese as easily as as a salaryman can jump out a window. What I'm saying is the truth, you don't have to believe me to make it so.

>>385399216
>if two supposed jap speakers can come to different conclusion, it's probably too ambiguous
One or both of them are probably lying,

>>385399156
Super Paper Mario was released after the general populace mistook an insult and a few jokes as truth.

>>385399265
>my 5 years of japanese work with basic office conversation trumps your 23 years of intimate japanese language speaking

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>>385399285
>both of them are false flagging for the opposite side

>>385399339
>my 5 years of practical experience plus training trumps your """"23 years"""" of learning to read enough nip to e-mail Capcom to make Darkstalkers 3

>>385399359
Now now, don't jump to conclusions.

In today's post-post-ironic society, it's just as likely they're false-flagging as false-flaggers for the opposite side, you know.

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>>385399337
>the dev team changed their idea of a character they made based on misconception

Isn't Vivian the perfect example of how do make a good transsexual character?
>Doesn't look like a man
>Not an important part of her character arc
>People not even sure because it's so subtle

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>>385399439

I don't want my ghost girl to have a wee wee end of discussion.

>>385399441
Hey, if everyone else thought it was true, why shouldn't it be?

>>385399489
She's not a ghost, she's some sort of shadow spirit

>>385399441
Sounds like atlus

ok so is BIRDO a GIRL or a male (GIRL)

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>>385393967
Gender shitposting aside, are there any other gals that would be a good match for Mario?

How could a ghost have a penis. She can turn into a puddle, she can be whatever she wants.

>>385399513
>she's not a ghost
>she's a spirit

Oh okay

I don't want my spirit ghost to have a wee wee

>>385399426
I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but considering the fact that video games are not, in fact, written in formal office speak, I'm afraid that you could have 50 years in an office environment and still never actually understand what's being said.

>>385399563
Pauline. Rosalina. Pretty much any female character that shows interest and isn't a joke. Except Daisy. Two doms don't work out usually Imho.

>>385399624
I never said I worked in an office. I worked in Customer Service. Not on the phone, mind you. Walk up to the desk customer service. It was hell.

>>385399567
>bedlum wants to be a fat piece of shit

Nice

>>385399715
That's Marilyn. I'm guessing a shapeshifter's appearance matches their personality.

Trapfags BTFO

>>385399710
That's no different

>>385399764
So Vivian is a girl in litterally every shape and form?

Like it wouldn't even matter unless she grew a penis accidently because she got confused during sex?

>>385398914
>>385398789
>キュートな オトコのコ
You've done some incredible mental gymnastics for the rest of it but justify this part for me please.

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>>385399454
Nah, you want a good transexual character?

Look at fuckin' Otis from Back at the Barnyard. Motherfucker has a male voice, male name, is called a he, but the fucker has a female udder and milk. Fuck's with that? Dude's a female cow being called a dude, the fucker's a transexual I tell ya. Appeared in a kids cartoon too. Aint no one suspecting it.

>they removed this from the English version to avoid this exact confusion

>>385399826
I talked to a shitton of people every day from all over Japan. All sorts of complaints, most of which had nothing to do with anything I had access to. The only saving grace was the prostitutes.

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>>385398591
Pajeet, my son, yuo must pick waifu...

>>385399923
Daisy

>>385399979
Sir Not Appearing In This Game

>>385399921
I like how this argument degenerated into you complaining about your shitty experiences in life

>>385399850
I've already addressed this, actually. Everyone calls her a "boy" or "guy" because Bedlam did and they mistook her insult as a fact. Vivian is a submissive little Japanese housewife, so she doesn't stand up for herself. It's a running gag.

>>385399923
>no Flurrie

>>385400013
Shadow queen

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>tfw you imagine Vivian as that shape shifting girl from Lemonfont's work
>she's even purple in her shapeshifting form

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This was fun and I enjoyed the story. It was a worthy Paper Mario

Also, moonspeak bullshit pls go.

>>385400051
Sorry, I don't like thinking about it and this is helping me vent years of built up agony.

Boy you guys are really making me want to masturbate to vivians cute feminine penis

>>385400113
It was good, but the money pit world and gladiator world can fuck off.

Definitely not as great as TTYD, but easily still a great game nonetheless. Comparitevely a masterpiece to the future Paper Mario games. Damn shame they all are.

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>>385400101
Not enough space

>>385400084
It's not a joke in SPM where she is literally called "A cute boy crossdresser".
Maybe you're misinterpreting the "running gag", and the joke is actually the most feminine member of the Shadow Sisters is actually a male. (The actual females being a landwhale and an old crone)

>>385400084
Do you have the script for that section of dialogue where Bedlam initially misgenders 'her' and she implies otherwise while not outright denying it or something similar?
Only evidence in one direction has been provided in this thread and your word doesn't stand as evidence any more than the other guy you were debating.

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>>385400162
it's all good dude. life is shit but at least we'll always have each other to yell at like retards here on /v/

>>385400113
The story was much more enjoyable than the gameplay, but it's not like it's totally un-replayable. I'm just extremely unconvinced that the platformer style was necessary.

>>385400386
I swear by the Japanese syphilis on my cock that what I'm saying is true. I don't really know how to get a transcript of the Japanese text out of my game but if I were directed to some kind of tutorial I would definitely try.

>>385400409
That's all I need anon. That's all I need.

>>385400224
>not Vivian's meaty dong
gaaaay

>>385400580
just look up a jp script or something, I can only find an english one on fucking gamefaqs, but surely the nips have some site out there you can japanese google to find the jp script.

>>385400795
All I'm getting is the GameFaqs thing too.

>>385400957
use jp google and a jp search query, not rocket science.

>>385400795
Why not look up a Jap playthrough of TTYD? Crude way to get it, but it's an option.

>>385401084
Alright, I'll brb with results if I can

>>385401140
This will be my second option

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>Paper Mario finally gets the recognition it deserves
>By being rebooted into a "NSMB" Mario series under that cunt Tanabe

I am never not livid. Just being on that fantendo thread reminded me of Countdown to Chaos and the dreams I had about TTYD 2 Electric Boogaloo.

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>>385401252
I used to make elaborate maps and partner sheets for my dream paper mario game back in the day. Even made my own fan-art and comics of Bub-ulbs (probably the only fan art to exist honestly) complete with OC donut steel races (fire bub-ulbs, ice bub-ulbs, dark bub-ulbs, etc).

>>385396096

heh look at me and my deepweb fetishes all these people around me are just sheeple pawns........ *pulls out naginata* time to die normalfags..........

What the hell is Vivian supposed to be based from anyway? Every character race in OP's picture is from a Mario game, but what game is Vivian's race from?

>>385402371
the shadow sirens are OC donut steel
so is flurrie

>>385393967
>So this type of queer thing isn't seen as inappropriate for children over there as it was here?
Why the fuck would it? This may come as a surprise to you, but the rest of the developed world isn't as mentally/emotionally/sexually stunted as Amerifat.

>>385402371
Spoilars ahead

the shadow sirens are actually the minions of the Ancient Evil Awakens and were leading Grodus along the whole time

>>385399254
Have a pity (You) but put more effort into it next time.

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>>385401772
While you were going to parties, I was memorizing Katakana.
While you were having premarital sex, I was mastering the timed hit.
And now that the lorefags are at the gate you ask me for help?

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>>385393967
The hardest part to believe about the Mario franchise isn't the dinosaurs, or the super powered mushrooms, or the sentient clouds and mountains, or the flying battleships and bullet bills, or the ghosts.

No, the point where my suspension of disbelief falls is when anyone finds Mario attractive. You'll convince me Boos are real before you can convince me of that, Nintendo.

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>>385402940
agreed but sometimes fanart does wonderful things

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>>385402940
>confirmed 24-26 years old
>incredible physical ability despite being overweight
>known for his heroism and glory
it's not implausible

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>>385393967
>every cute female party member in TTYD is begging for the italian dick
>Mario just leaves with that used up bitch Peach to wait until she summons him to help with some other trivial bullshit that will inevitably put her and the whole world in danger again

>>385398682
Keep the fuck away from my armed forces you little prick

>>385395356
Oh my god I just realized that that pink swirl is her hair and not a giant nose

>>385402940
>famous
>incredibly athletic and strong
>brave
>kind
>helpful
>dedicated
>loyal
>heroic
>great listener
>modest
>mysterious

The reason you fail to underatand is also the reason you'll never have a relationship yourself; it's about who Mario really is, not what he looks like

>>385403338
Dude I thought the same thing when I played this game the first time, back when I was like 10

Honestly it fits the character better- of course the witch would have a shitty nose and of course the character with poor self esteem wouldn't be the cutest

>>385402940
the nigga can

LITERALLY

BREATHE

UNDERWATER

(in some games only) BUT HE CAN SHOOT FIRE UNDERWATER IN ALL OF THEM

if that doesn't get your panties wet idk what will pham

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>>385402940
It's like Olive crushing on Popeye who looks like some 70 year old fart. Just don't think about it too hard.

>>385399441
They've done this before. Remember Birdo?

I just realized.
Why does all of Vivian's art draw...it with a belly button? Why the fuck would a shadow spirit have a belly button?

>>385403417
That's what they tell uggos at school right?

Sucks to be you

>>385403689
Why would a spirit have hair? Or wear a hat and gloves?

Dont think about it too much

>>385403735
Hey fuck you buddy.
Hair and accessories are all part of any intelligent being's general appearance.
However belly buttons are a hole left over from our umbilical cord when we were inside a fucking womb.
When was Vivian in someone's womb?

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>no bedlam porn

>>385404126
how old do you suppose she is

>>385405180
At least a thousand years old since the Shadow Queen actually knew her

>>385405352
I guess I could make it work if it was drawn in that fox gilf style but yknow not like the other 99% of the doujins that radiohead has made which are all nasty scat ones

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>>385393967
Why the fuck did he join the Shadow Sirens?

>>385405797
It was the chapter with the Shadow Sirens so presumably they recruited him after Vivian won the Mariobowl.

At least he didn't just disappear like Grubba.

>>385405797
He got a taste of what it was like to be accepted and liked when he was Mario and craved more of it. He thought he could get that by joining the sirens but they treated him even worse than Vivian. Abuse was still better than being alone for him though.

>>385405797
He was bored.
Mario fucked up his gig in Twilight Town, so he needed something new to do.
Kind of sad we'll never see him again. I'm normally not a fan of antagonists like the joker, where they do shit just for the laughs, but it really worked for Doopliss. Probably because he wasn't edgy about it or something.