>try to out-damage soldier >can't because his direct

>>385358390
dead game

8

What kind of buffs would Pyro need to make him a legitimate counter to Soldier?

play a game that is based around counters instead of fighting fire with fire or hoping that your opponent suck.

>>385358390
>can't because his direct rockets do more damage than any other single source of DPS
Heavy has more DPS. Sniper can erase him from a distance. Scout can dodge rockets reliably.
>can't because he can operate on a 360 plane both on the ground and above my head
>try to out-run a soldier
Scout can easily out run and out-maneuver a soldier
>can't because he can pop in and out of cover, never suffering lapses of fire, and has splash damage
If you get yourself in a situation where a soldier can do this you deserve to die
>can't because anywhere from 1 to 100 people in a class enough radius will eat equal splash damage
Splash damage has a huge falloff, it can't reliably used to frag
>can't because he has several items that allow him to do everything, from heal on hit to minicrit to increase run speed to remove damage penalties for rocket jumping
Several items that always a downside, be it losing firepower or mobility.
>can't because he has the easiest primary weapon in the game to aim, and a hitscan secondary if he needs it
Projectiles require more skill to aim than hitscan considering they have travel speed.

Thank god Valve doesn't listen to shitters like you when balancing the game. Soldier is the core class of TF2, he isn't OP, others classes like Pyro and Spy are just UP.

>>385358390
t. salty _____ main
GET KEKED FAGGOT, JUST SHOOT THE SOLDIER AND HIS POCKET BITCH XD

>>385358390
play sniper

>>385359340
fuck off b4nny

>people still think soldiers on high ground can be countered by heavies

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>>385358390
>play on 100% crit orange_X3 server
>Snipe soldiers and demo men every time they rocket jump
>With the piss rifle

His weakness is that he can't do all those at once. Once you see his kit, you know exactly how to deal with him. He can't out damage, cheese, and maneuver you at the same time because he has to fall back on his reload speed. He can be outmanned by spreading the fuck out, if he's outbuffing you, he doesn't have gunboats or a shotgun which means he again is relying on 4 rockets, and you can outskill him with airshots whether that be on soldier yourself, demo pipes, sniper shots, hell even a pyro flare will throw him off his RJ potential since that'll slowly take 90 health away.

>hit enemy with direct hit
>its launches them away to safety
I hate this weapon so much.

>>385358390
spy annihilates this slow fucker

Mantreads buff when?

>>385358390
>pick sniper
>place crosshairs on the head of soldier\
>click your left mouse button
>????
>profit

the word you are looking for is versatile, soldier is the most versatile class in the game

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>>385358390
Play scout and dont get hit by splash damage
youre scout, double jump
youre scout run and jump around everything
youre scout, closer you are the higher damage the stock will do
Youre scout, throw milk on him
youre scout, use crit a cola
Youre scout, yiur hitscan weapon can beat his

>playing pyro on pub
>soldier shoots rockets at my feet expecting me to back away and airblast
>instead run straight ahead and jump past the rocket
>rocket blows up shortly after passing me, boosting me towards soldier
>pyro_car.wmv
>tears flowing in chat
I love pubs

>>385359483
Not an argument.

>>385359453
>>385359890
*rocket jumps at a fast speed to hit*
*shooting rockets mid air*
*kills you*

Nothing personal kid

>>385359704
There's a reason it's called the direct shit

>>385359995
Wow having to one character just to not get shit on

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>>385359687
>play on 100% crit orange_X3 server with sleeper renamed to "U JUST GOT PWNED"

>>385360175
Demo can stump Soldier in half of OP's points
Pyro can do 1/3 of a good job
but the rest of the classes are up in the air

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>>385360124
>headshots you before you rocket jump
>you either die from jumping or die when you hit the ground
>possible airshot killing you right there.

Too easy...

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>>385358390
>can't because his direct rockets do more damage than any other single source of DPS
>scout dps: 168
>heavy dps: 500
>demo dps: 240

>can't because he can operate on a 360 plane both on the ground and above my head
>can't because with appropriate rocket jumping he is the fastest class in the game
>demo jumps further than him
>scout doesn't have to spend ammo or health to move

>can't because he can pop in and out of cover, never suffering lapses of fire, and has splash damage
>scout can get in his face between shots
>demo can put stickies at the corner
>heavy can just tank the shots

>can't because he has the easiest primary weapon in the game to aim, and a hitscan secondary if he needs it
lmao

>>385358915
he already completely counter soldier, try airblasting you shitter

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>>385360124
>*rocket jumps at a fast speed to hit*

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Soldiers and Pyros are noobs class

>people say pyro is underpowered
>without even using airblast since pyro never had airblast in qtf or tfc, and with 100% stock-only loadouts, i routinely get scores like 100/10 on 2fort
sure is underpowered right??

Demoman is an upgraded soldier.

>>385360798
>2fort

>>385360798
You are playing on the map he is most effective

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>>385360923
yes 2fort, the most popular and best ctf map in team fortress ever since the beginning. what's your point?

>>385360798
>i wreck pubs
Woah anon. You're so good.

>>385360908
More like downgraded

>>385360798
>2fort

>>385360974
pyro is effective on all stock maps, people are just garbage at the game. if any of you peasants played QTF I would love to see your reaction at the pyro having an incendiary rocket launcher that splashes through solid surfaces.

>>385359483

Underrated post.

>>385361228
give pyro a rocket launcher in tf2

>>385358390
The grenade launcher has higher dps than the rocket launcher

>its another "all the soldiers and demos on the team want to practice their rollouts for their ebin 6v6s while shouting medic, and the medic snaps" episode

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>it's another butthurt pyro main thread

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>>385358390
WAAAH I CANT KILL SOLDIERS!

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>not being a competent engineer who can short circuit any rockets that come your way

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>>385361525
buff me faggot

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>>385361684
>not posting the engineer webm this far into the thread

I dont have it

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>>385361760
I dont heal faggots who show off their wealth with stupid shit like that.

Stop compensating.

>>385360668
>whips out Shotgun
>outdamages your Flamethrower
>outdamages your flare combo even pre-nerf
>laughs at the patch notes converting Facetinguishes to mini-crits and Shotguns you
>wins by 25 health should you whips out Shotgun yourself
No?

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>>385361684

>>385360798
>Ambush class in Hallways: The Map
>expecting competence in CTF, let alone a bottom of the barrel map

I've been saying this since fucking day one, solly is fundamentally bullshit.

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>>385359687
>Go on x10 allcrit cp_orange server
>Go Scout
>Use the Shortstop to snipe people out of the sky and piss off the enemy Demoknight's since I have enough health to survive two crits sword swings
>Use the Winger to instantly gain high ground whenever I want and piss off the enemy Demoknight's since I can just jump out of battle whenever I want
>Use any stock reskin since they give you a passive "no fall damage" bonus on x10
I feel like an asshole, but it's worth it.

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>>385361920
>shotgun outdamages flamethrower
stopped reading here

>>385361920
If your not actively trying to flank or bamboozle soldiers as a pyro is your fault for being shit and dying.

You're a short range fighter whos extremely deadly. stop running face first into combat you fag.

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>>385361890
enjoy having nobody to uber
this is my medic now

>>385362095
If you start the fight with the nozzle of your flamethrower already up his ass, you've done your job right and he hasn't

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>>385358915
>being on fire now drastically slows aerial maneuverability

or

>airblast can now be held indefinitely rather than a timed puff, ammo cost is the same

or

>airblasted projectiles are now actual crits on the target who shot it, but minicrits on everyone else

or

>increase run speed

or

>the detonator is now as effective as rocket jumping

or

>just give him a hitscan weapon made specifically to slow or halt aerial targets

there's like 500 ways pyro can be made to counter soldier but it will never happen because soldier is the developer's pet class

>>385358390
t. worst scout main.
just assuming you a scout because the fuckers always complain about everything when it's completely their fault.

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>try to play soldier
>can't because TF2 is dead

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>>385362112
>implying all medics are pocketfags

>>385362268
or
>right click to airblast the soldier's rockets back at him, if he switches to shotgun you have won the engagement
it's not that hard. why is everyone so fucking bad at tf2?

>>385358390
This just makes me miss when hats were fitting and subtle
Remember when you would join your favourite pub and see one of the server regs on his main with a hat and knew you were in for a good game?

>>385362108
>dude just flank him

This is the same retarded argument that kept Spy as a shit class for several years. When people play the game for more than an hour they learn how to become aware of their surroundings, and unless you want to live in doorways and corners no amount of "flanking" will compensate for shit damage/abilities.

>>385362095
it outdamages it by him not being stood next to you. close range you win but if he's any good you will never be that close. otherwise hes just going to shoot you with the same gun and more hp

>>385362435

It's almost morning in Dubai. Shouldn't you be sleeping?

>>385362556
ok, im not reading posts from obvious trolls lol

>>385362095
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cSgtzlhw7M&t=3m0s

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>>385358390
These complaints are basically the same as
>Why can't I beat a heavy who is facing towards me as a spy?

>>385362718
DON'T OPEN THIS, IT HAS A VIRUS

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Pyro is not the Soldier counter, Heavy is.

>waddle around the corner
>soldier panic fires
>if you're close enough he eats damage and has less health than you as you rev up
>if he's far away you can still eat a rocket and rev up
>with good aim you will chew through his health pool before he can do anything
>if he tries to rocket jump you can splatter him in mid jump
>his paced fire means you can get him to empty his magazine while eating a sandwich
>drastically superior melee options

>>385362476
>implying there's more than 2 competent players on one team in a pub at any given time

>>385362564
It's almost just after lunch time in Nostalgia land. Shouldn't you be telling me about how food used to be better when you were 13?

>>385362268
the pyro should get better mobility but not by run speed, that would make him more annoying to fight
what about this: allow the pyro to bunnyhop to increase his speed to a certain degree (not quake levels of course) and increase slightly his jump height, this doesn't let him to keep himself on your ass when attacking, he gets more flanking options with the added speed and the jump height, and raises the skill celing.

>>385362489

you do realize that splash damage outranges airblast

>>385362435
>the tf2 is dead meme

http://steamcharts.com/

>#4 on top games

>>385362931
bunnyhopping on pyro would be pretty neat, give him like some kind of new hitech boots to justify it ingame.

>>385362068
>Use any stock reskin since they give you a passive "no fall damage" bonus on x10
what the fuck is this pay2win shit?

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>>385362979

>>385362531
>A player tends to continue attacking along the same path to the objective
>Realize this and start cutting him off on his way

Thats what Im talking about. not hiding in the shadows and waiting for someone to either be oblivious or blast your ass on the way over

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>>385363175
Gee, some literally who on facepunch says something without any sources, got me there.

>>385363112
Anon, do you even know what x10 is

No don't answer, anon, we all know you don't

>>385362813
>not jumping and pre-revving around every single corner, slicing the pie heavy-style
git gud

>>385362979
>top games (just on Steam though)
>can only be played on Steam unlike normal games
Nice meme.

>>385362938
and tell me how the rocket splashes on you when you....airblast it back towards them? are you that big of a retard that you airblast in melee range instead of just roasting him and forcing him to shoot his feet and kill himself?

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>>385362714


>>385362095
>>385362594
>gets BTFO
>no responses

@385363441
if you are that thirsty for replies then put some effort into your trolling

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>>385362714
>Dev commentary he plays at the very start clearly says Pyro is designed as an ambush class
>Proceeds to do the exact opposite and shoot enemies head on
epic list

>>385363627

It's hard to ambush when you have no mobility or shit like the invisiwatch. It's part of why pyro sucks

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>2017
>people still seriously consider airblast a counter to soldier

>>385363302
>some literally who
https://www.teamwork.tf

>>385363380
that's not the point, retard.

>>385363903
Who?

>>385363903
Thought they only had youtubers on their site
Anyways, source?

>>385363627
>muh ambush class
why do you retards think that pyro is the only class in the game that can ambush? have you forgotten scout and soldier exist and have vastly better weapons and mobility tools to do so?

>>385364008
http://www.teamfortress.tv/40926/player-distribution-in-tf2-over-map-gamemode#17

>>385363875
I agree that pyro is a fucking mess and needs to be re-worked but the video maker is incredibly dishonest in his presentation.
>WOW HE CAN'T BEAT A REVVED-UP HEAVY

>>385364014
>think that pyro is the only class in the game that can ambush?
Who are you quoting?

>>385363441

>DeniroAcidAttack.jpg

>can't because his direct rockets do more damage than any other single source of DPS
Nigga you for real? Demoman's Grenade Launcher deals 100 damage per hit with no distance modifier, and this isn't talking about his Sticky.

>>385363889
consider that airblast existed in quake before qtf existed as a mod called the airfist. it was not added to qtf because of how disgustingly overpowered it was. posts like yours just reveal how garbage the majority of the tf2 playerbase is.

>>385363302

>open game
>open server browser
>wait for the list to complete
>sort by player number
>adds up to 3000 players

Wow that was hard.

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>>385364014
>have you forgotten scout and soldier exist and have vastly better weapons and mobility tools to do so?
...What the hell are you talking about?

>>385358390
So what's with the resurgence of the Soldier is OP meme?

>>385364335
Makes him more usful but at the end of the day he's still basically a fat sluggish Scout and as such it's easier to kill before doing any real damage.

Pyro isn't useless but he does Scouts and arguably even Spy's job worse.

>>385363907
You're right, you have no point.

>>385364562
Pyro honestly works better as a defense role than offense. Especially with the Neon/Homewrecker equipped, he can lock down an area when accompanied by a competent teammate fairly effectively.

And if an ubered soldier comes (always does), he can sacrifice himself to make them waste it all on him.

>>385364562
This is why I think he should be reclassified as a support like Valve is half-assedly trying to do.

>>385364379
New players who want to sound smart to 5CP compfags confusing well-roundness to overpowered. He's the one that could most easily switch from attack to defend but that's just makes him more generalized, not overtly powerful or annoying to play against.

Hell Demoman is a far more powerful class then Soldier if you know how to aim. Or just know where to spam.

>>385358390
Scout, Demo, and Sniper are all high skill cap like the Soldier but unlike him mostly have skillgate weaknesses whereas Soldiers weaknesses are more set in stone.
Medic, Engi, and Heavy also take far less skill for their effectiveness compared Soldier.
He is balanced but his skill floor is a bit low, about the only thing I'd change about Soldier is how splash works by making it deal less minimum damage but compensate him for the change with a bit more projectile speed and damage rampup.

>>385364750
Gets rekt by an ubered heavy or demo

We should have more "fun" weapons like the Loose Canon and Air Strike.

>>385360796
>t. scunt

Pyro Rework
>flamethrowers are now hitscan like an LG >deals 80dps(4*20ticks) at mid range with 200% rampup to 160(8*20ticks)
>airblast is removed
>primary beam has a repulsor effect with its knockback, while secondary beam has a tractor effect pulling enemies, like the link gun in the new UT
>secondary beam deals half damage and drains ammo at twice speed
>holding jump expends primary ammo to act as a jetpack that drains ammo at twice or maybe triple speed.
He is still a counter initiator class but now he is also a reverse intiator, being able to pull enemies to him and his team so long as he can aim well.

>>385358390
Play Quake 3/Live so you're on even turf instead.

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>>385358390

Why don't you just shoot him?

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>>385366396
because im a friendly hoovy and i do no harm

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Give me a cosmetic and I'll put together a decent loadout

>>385366818

Potassium Boner

>>385366818
Soldier Antlers

>>385366818
pic unrelated?

>>385365592
Wish granted. It gets nerfed at the very next patch because compniggers say it's op

>>385367531
Compniggers should just go full stock and let the weapon unlocks be the fun alternatives for pubs.

It makes it easier to balance comp and less weapons get killed off.

is ideal team comp 2 med 2 sol 2 demo 2 scout 1 engi 1 sniper?

>>385360798
Amazing bait, good work.

>>385367824
The """"""meta""""""" comp is
>2 soldiers
>2 Scouts
>1 Demo man
>1 Medic

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>>385366901
>>385367040
Fuck the Banana hat. I guarantee you not a single one of the jungle update's cosmetics would make it look good.

>>385367806
I unironically agree with this. Let's just shove the tryhards into their corner to be forgotten. Besides, they hate the idea of variety and fun.

Who here /actuallyusestheholidaypunchasitwasdesignedforandnotafriendly/?

>>385367996
Beep Man

>>385367824
The ideal comp would be as many Demo and Medics as you could have.

How much do uncraftable weapons go for now a days? Before I quit TF2 I got a complete collection of uncraftable weapons. Even the rarer ones, uncraftable. Anyone?

>>385368283
It's the most fun heavy melee by far
I just wished it would crit whenever it would minicrit

>>385368029
Don't tell me engie stalemates and getting fucked by crits are fun

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>>385368631

>pub 5cp
>match starts
>3 engs start building on last
>get btfo at mid and next point because less players
>last stalemates for 10 minutes

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https://youtu.be/NMlsSecuzE8

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IT'S HAPPENING

HOLY SHIT

CHECK

YOUR

DOWNLOADS

RIGHT

NOW

WHAT THE FUCK

http://www.teamfortress.com/thejungleupdate

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>>385369094

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>>385368394

>>385369094
>>385369186
>IT'S FUCKING REAL

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>>385369094
>>385369186
>>385369223

>>385369020
Fuck friendlies
I always kill those retards every chance I get

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>>385369368
>>385369368
>tfw only playing friendly in comp mode

>>385369507
>what is an iconic structure in paris, france?
>the golden gate bridge!
>ha take that tryhards

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Soldier main experiences:
>snipers and spies are literally free kills, I don't believe I've ever once been killed by a spy
>engineers are typically zero threat, their nests can be cheesed into oblivion on almost every map
>can pick off heavy/medic pairs, can easily beat heavy 1v1 unless I stumble right into his face in a tunnel
>98% of scouts are easy kills, every once in a long while I'll run into a scout that's actually good and he'll beat me
>99.9% of pyros are easy kills, a good pyro player hypothetically exists but I haven't met him
>demomen are challenging and I get beat by them all the time
Conclusion: demoman is op

>>385358390
Almost all of this is you being bad at the game. I have to agree that some of Soldier's buff items are bs though.

>>385369575
Reminds me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUPzN7tp7bQ

>>385369575
That analogy sucked.

>>385369020
So wait the people who say compfags are ruining the game are the fuckers who want to play friendly?
Maybe tryhards aren't so bad after all.

>>385369985
You only ever see friendlies on 2fort or other such stalemate maps, which, luckily, I'm able to filter. Even then, they're free food most of the time.

what's the trading scene like now a days? I heard keys are like 40 ref now

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>>385358915
Some sort of ranged weapon that sets him on fire from afar, or maybe a way to shoot his rockets back at him for double damage.

>>385370608
crazy talk

UR

>>385369821
Not going to lie It's possible my hatred for Soldier made me main Demoman
>at long range stickies beat the RL
>at short range I can of course out-aim and pipe the fucker because I'm not playing a crutch class
>they can't follow me or else they get sticky trapped

It's hard to deal with combos and Scouts but it's worth it.

>>385369094
i only have an update queued for Path of Exile and my mods for l4d2

Dont fucking lie to me nigger.

>>385369821
>demomen are challenging and I get beat by them all the time

>put on gunboats
>jump into his face
>gg ez

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>>385371937
>get in his face
>get Crit panned/bottled
>killcam shows insides of Drunks head
>Literally a sticky bomb drinking scrumpy

>>385371937
What is the soldier going to do in front of a demo that a demo cannot?

>>385372102
shoot feet

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>>385372187
>*blocks your landing zone*

>>385372187
But if you are in front of me I can just pipe your faggot face right there, why would I even want to shoot at feet

>>385372275
>But if you are in front of me I can just pipe your faggot face right there
oh yeah just like how demo destroys scout in every 1v1?

>>385372329
>the Soldier is as fast as the Scout

>>385369821
I want a virgin and chad soldier image after reading this

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>>385362718
that's p cool

>Select all the images that match the label: WRENCH

>>385372448
what part of
>rocket jump into his face
do you not understand

>>385373137
Everything that goes up must go down, anon.