Why can't we get a high-budget, highly artistic game

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>>385348996
>N:A
>high budget
There are only five actual locations and some of the story seems rushed.

>>385349239
Compared to Western "art" games it's a big budget.

>>385348996
AAA publishers usually play it safe instead of giving millions to a weird niche pretentious art game. Also modern western developers would make the most boring walking simulator shit ever under the guise of art, at least Nier was a game first and foremost instead of an 'interactive experience'

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>>385349306
And there are literally thousands of shitty "artsy" rpg maker games made in Japan. The original point of OP is about a general game, not specifically an indie one. Which, again, N:A isn't.

>>385349569
Journey is a better game and artistic experience than Nier.

>>385349617
point being the West has...what? Journey? Talos Principle? Stanley Parable? What else really

all those are fucking short and nowhere near the scale of Nier:Automata

>>385349617
>>385349306
>>385348996
You dont make art by trying to make art. You make art by working with passion to make something unique and entertaining.

>>385348996
>automata
>high budget
>artistic
I like 2B's butt too, but common.

>>385349685
>Talos Principle
Slav games doenst count as western, because they actually are good.

>>385348996
Because most Western devs are more concerned about E-Sports, blacks, and LGBTPLOLMOUSE than making good games.

>>385348996
>>385349306
> that goalpost slide
> Budgets are a binary between AAA and niche hobby

>>385348996
>highly artistic
Please, spare my sides.

When a game has as much fanservice as N:A, it can't be labeled as art.

The main character is a girl with an unrealistic body wearing a swimsuit and the camera is always focused on her ass.

Come the fuck on. This game was made with no other intent than to turn teenagers and manchildren on so they'll buy it

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>>385349239

Automata didn't have a single moment as hard hitting as Beepy. All the bosses sucked too.

What a disappointment, no wonder they needed to rely on sex appeal so much.

>>385349752
t. someone who thinks Doom and MGR are art

>>385350268
Thanks for whining about a game you've never played nor seen any gameplay of. Try again.

>>385350310
No, but they're good at being videogames

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wow look at this art

>>385350310
t. someone who thinks shitting on a canvas is art and worth 20 million dollars.

>>385350289
>Automata didn't have a single moment as hard hitting as Beepy.
So, not hard hitting at all?

>>385350479
>I know contemporary art, I've watched H3H3 and PragerU's videos about it

How's high school?

>>385350386
>B-b-but you're wrong I'm right, I can't hear you lalaLALALAAAA

>Automata
>high budget

You can tell they ran out of budget after the first boss fight. Fucking NieR feels like a more complete experience than Automata.

>>385350669

Is this your weak attempt at some sort of argument?

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>>385349868
Not OP, but it actually is. It is a story about our reasons to live, about overcoming the nihilism brought upon their loss and then finding out that life is, indeed, worth living. If anything, it's use of humanity as an allegory is subtler than any videogame. There are also themes of nostalgia, not letting go of the past that we hold dear.

It takes heavy inspiration from Camus' works (with one quest in particular being an extremely blatant reference to him) with the fantastic use of the medium in the end.

>>385350289
Author of the post you're replying to. I don't think it needed to rely on sad moments like the original Nier did. Though I think what happened to Pascal's village hit me harder.

>>385350672

Project much?

>>385351061
Ah yes, the 4chan teenager's last attempt at an argument: "projection" without understanding what it means.

>>385351059

Didn't really care for the trans-gender bot.

>>385351169

How ironic.

>>385350386
Nier fanboys are so insufferable, holy shit.

>>385348996
We have it's called Mass Effect.

>>385348996
Western publishers are fucking cowards

>>385351258
Seems you still don't have an argument.

>>385351059
>I don't think it needed to rely on sad moments like the original Nier did.

It tried to.

>>385351289
Not him but if you think Automata has any fan service you haven't played it.

>>385351289

Not an argument.

>>385351335

Seems you're still pretending to know what words mean.

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>>385351337
No it didn't.

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>>385348996
Well they do exist but not in your anime artstyle shit. It ultimately depends on your personal taste.

>>385351479

Oh you it just has characters constantly dying topped off with a hammy pop song in the credits.

>>385350991
You seriously thought that Beepy was "hard hitting"? Because I find the concept baffling. Nier's attempts to make you feel guilty are pretty hamfisted across the board, but Beepy felt like they weren't even trying.

What's with all the shitposting surrounding Nier now?

Its fucking infuriating.

>>385351651

Good job missing the point entirely.

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>>385351548

Stalker, Pathologic, Metro

Basically look at slavshit if you want western artsy games

Also EYE

>>385351548

Ironically nobody remembers this.

>>385351684
If anything is good /v/ must hate and pretend to understand it.

>>385348996
That does not sell

>2017
>people sucking off Taro for shit Kojima was doing back in 2001

>>385351783
Whatever you thought the point was, if you thought that was emotional in any way, shape or form you must be phenomenally easy to impress.

>>385352115
>implying Nier is anywhere near as profound as MGS2

>>385349980
But everyone is bisexual in N:A checkmate /pol/

>>385352115
Taro takes advantage of the video game medium far better than Kojima did back when he was still capable of making good vidya.

>>385352201

It was to me because Kane knew exactly what we were doing the whole time and quietly went through with it. Beepy's encounter sucked more because of that retard who lost his arm.

Sorry you couldn't get any feeling from it other than the usual plebeian reaction of thinking you're supposed to feel bad.

>>385352383
>Kane

Kaine even.

>>385352329
Aping visual novels and deleting saves can only get you so far.

Meanwhile Kojima actually respects games as games and dosent write off gameplay as just some inconvenience, and he does the meta shit much more gracefully.

Taro dosent have anything on the level of Psycho Mantis.

>>385352224
Pretty sure they're all robots and androids. Anyway still haven't proven me wrong.

>>385352526
>and he does the meta shit much more gracefully
>Taro dosent have anything on the level of Psycho Mantis.
You are delusional if you think that was handled "gracefully". It felt hamfisted as fuck even back in the days, actually try replaying those parts nowadays, you'll be surprised just how fucking forced it actually was.

>>385349685
>the scale of Nier:Automata
>implying its scale is anywhere beyond "mediocre"
babby's first taste of philosophy

>>385350289
>The child robot suicide and Pascal's breakdown
>You wipe his memory
>You can then find him on the Village selling Children's Cores

Yeah no fuck you.

The entirety of 2B and 9S's relationship also hits extremely hard, especially with side material added.

>>385352383
It's hilarious how you're trying to pass ME off as a plebeian when you find "hard hitting" a scene that would struggle to find its way into the first draft of a young adult novel.

>>385351651
>>385352778
>hamfisted
>hamfisted

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>>385351832
Yah because it wasn't advertised with stupid memes and hyped up by shitty e celebs.

>>385352778
Sure, and by the way MGS1 is much more replayable than any Taro game. I say this with Drakengard 1 being my favorite.

But I dont think we want to talk about forced when Automata in particular has Taro reheating his same old tropes over and over at the bedazzlement of newfags. Almost every sideaquest ended the same and seeing save deletion again was just underwhelming.

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>>385352970

>>385353004

Pretty sure it's because it was a garbage walking sim that only lasted a few hours.

>>385352970
Yes, we both used the same word. What's your point?

>>385353019
Not denying that, I never said Automata is the epitome of good design. Infact it does a lot of shit really fucking poorly too and is formulaic as fuck

>>385353070

I can edit in paint too, it's really easy.

>>385351289
The other guy outed himself when he said "The camera is always focused in her ass"

YOU control the camera.

The fan was right, the other dude was just fishing for (you)s.

>>385351393
Let's not get crazy either, there's tons of both sexual fanservice and actual fanservice in the game.

It's just not a detractment of its brilliance.

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>>385352962
>ME

>>385349980
>and LGBTPLOLMOUSE

Taro is actually quite big on LGBT characters. Kaine is a dickgirl, Emil is gay, The Commander and Jackass are lovers, Anemone seems to have an implied thing for A2.

He's just not obnoxious about it. He treats it as it should - an natural relationship that don't merit any focus.

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>tfw you get why people fap over Automatas "deepness" but you disagree with its fundamental premises so it just fell flat

>>385353040
Oh snap, a reaction picture. That's hard hitting, I might have to cry a bit.

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>>385353394
>He's just not obnoxious about it


Pascal says hi

There are plenty of Western games that are just as shitty as Automata, OP.

>>385353464

Must be lacking oxygen with your head so far up your ass.

>>385348996
overwatch

>>385353394
>Taro is actually quite big on GOOD characters.

>>385348996
nier automata is a low budget game

>>385353481
Was Pascal gay?

I sincerely didn't notice

>>385353603
Yes.

>>385353603
Debateable, especially in Automata

I think many people confuse backstory with being well developed

>>385352526
>praising kojima after the departure of tomokazu fukushima

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1168506

Kojima is a hack, just like george lucas need writers to tell him enough is enough and to flesh out the ideas he had.

Kojima cant write for shit, just look at peacewalker

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>>385352526
I'll agree that Kojimas games have better gameplay and are overall better games, but his meta shit is entirely inconsequential. MGS doesn't need to be a game and they would work just fine as movies which we all know is what Kojima wishes he was making.
Taro on the otherhand uses every component of the game, from the setting, the gameplay and the narrative to deliver his messages. What makes Taro so interesting is that Automata and to a lesser extent his other games really only work as video games, and they are greater than the sum of their parts because of it.

MGS2 is one of the best games of all time, but Taro is better for vidya that Kojima ever was.

>>385353541
That's another nice pre-canned reply, although it's a bit of a non sequitur.

>>385348996
>high budget
wew
Also, don't you complain enough about the west making shitty games? Why would you want them to make more?

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>>385351548

>>385353721

Character is considered male. Voiced by a female and named Pascal.

>>385354059
In no moment in the game they try to hammer a Trans message with Pascal though.

So much that, as I said, it flew right over my head.

>>385353481
Pascal is a male and they wanted to go for a voice of a young boy.
But someone from their dev team really wanted Aoi Yuki for this role so they decided to roll with it.
Take your /pol/ garbage back where it belongs.

>>385353872
MGS2 only works as a video game and would never have the same impact as a movie. Part of what makes MGS2 so great is the fact that the events play out similarly to MGS1 not just narratively but gameplay-wise as well. However, MGS1 and MGS2 are still such different games that you can essentially "remake" MGS1 beat by beat and still have a completely satisfying experience. You couldn't do something like that in a movie and get away with it.

>>385348996
>highly artistic

>>385353872

Taro will be good for games when he actually considers gameplay beyond just some excuse to call his work games. He rings as a visual novelist who somehow tricked himself into thinking he really wanted to make action games, but likes to half-ass it.

Meanwhile Kojima pioneered an entire genre. And youre full of it if you think he dosent integrate his message into the gameplay, stoey, setting etc. MGS4 and V are proof of this beside the other obvious picks.

>>385353603
got a good laugh out of this one

>>385354292
>MGS2 only works as a video game
There's nothing narratively unique MGS2 does that cannot be translated into a movie.
Now i fucking dare you to translate Automata's E ending into any different medium.

>>385351684

I mean maybe you niggers could've stopped posting the same pictures of 2B's ass every chance you got

>>385354486
Confirmed for not even understanding MGS2 and how it even relates to MGS1

Let me guess MGS4 ruined the series too lmao

>>385353872
Taro isn't good for vidya by any stretch of the imagination. Kojima isn't very good either but at least he was involved in a few actual good games being made, so he's better than Taro by default.

>>385354589
Anyone who considers 4 anywhere close to being a good title is lower than filth in my eyes.
Actually, even 3 was already absolutely unnecessary. But after Fukushima left there's nothing left to salvage, only a japanese guy with grossly inflated ego who always just wanted to make Hollywood movies.

>>385354414
I'm pretty sure him and his team are just incompetent at making action games.

And don't forget corporate meddling. actually Taro has wanted to make a Bullet Hell shooter for a long time, but Square forces him to develop more Action-RPG oriented games.

Drakengard 1, for example, was forced to become a musou when Taro actually wanted to make it all about the dragon battles, which are by far the best part of the gameplay.

I'm pretty sure something similar happened with Nier.

>>385354486
The entire point of MGS2 was Raiden rejecting the player you dolt. Also frustrating the player for wanting a sequel of MGS1 that was actually like MGS1.

Also the Coronel fucking up as a buggy AI couldn't be pulled off as effectively on a movie, no.

>>385348996
What is Darksiders? HmmmmmmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMmmm

>>385354827
3 is basically a throwaway title but MGS4 is pure kino if you look at the subtext and dont get hung up on loreshit

Same with MGSV, shame its unfinished and the gameplay is trash

>>385348996
Normalfags, AAA developers willing to put massive budgets into games will always be targeted for the widest mainstream audience possible for maximum sales.

>>385355028
>pure kino
it's really not a wonder that person eating shit-tier /tv/ memes also likes mgs4

>>385354225

How about the obvious female English VA?

>>385354592

This is a very poor argument.

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>>385353103
>garbage walking sim

Did you even play the game or did you watch the game like most of your fellow kids on the board? Also I would play a nice linear or semi linear 7 hour game than a shitty 40 hour open world collectaton game.

>>385355329
just another gross miscast of the english dub
i mean, they utterly fucked up 2B too

>>385354947
>I'm pretty sure him and his team are just incompetent at making action games.
So he should get better at them or stop making them, holy shit.

Platinum was a good choice but they fucked up in just copy-pasting Nier 1's design almost 1:1 and just adding new things. They should've did a complete revamp.

>>385355371
The other one wasn't any better, and in a few cases is straight up wrong.

>>385355443
>So he should get better at them or stop making them, holy shit.

What part of "Corporate Meddling" didn't you see?

Square forces him to do these kinds of games. Dude want to do bullet hell.

>>385355371
This is not an argument

>>385348996
Because the budget goes into creating "realistic graphics" and making everything progressive.

Thats why most western games now are fucking shit.

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>>385348996
>highly artistic game

>>385355578
Given his own words on how he approaches gameplay I'm inclined to think its just him wanting to "one and done" it rather than corporate meddling.

Taro basically sees gameplay as a means to an end rather than something to be carefully managed, and it shows.

>>385352526
>Meanwhile Kojima actually respects games as games
Please tell me you are being ironic.

He literally pretends MGSV missons are TV episodes. He's been a film director wannabe since decades and it's only getting worse.

It's a real shame Beepy fucked off after the events of Fire of Prometheus, it would be cool if he was still on the planet and eventually we got a confrontation between a kind and evil AI overlords.

>>385356092
Kojima recognizes gameplay as an integral part of the game, his track record is all the proof you need of that.

MGSV was a fuckup mostly because Kojima wasn't playing to his strengths and had already given up on the series by Peace Walker, but Ground Zeroes was a solid look on what TPP could've been had he decided to trim the fat and let MGS be MGS.

>>385356340

Too bad he's a Westacuck who fell for the open-world meme.

>>385356528
Yea, MGS shines the most in contained and largely in-door areas, which Ground Zeroes demonstrated perfectly.

Hopefully he's learned from his mistakes and will use open world to better effect with Death Stranding.

>>385355443
>Platinum was a good choice
how many mediocre games do they have to make before people realize that platinum=/=guaranteed success

>>385356812
Platinum was a good choice for Nier becuase they excell at decent tier hack n slashes, since Taro has only ever made mediocre hack n slashes.

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>>385356932
fair enough

>>385348996
I still havent played automata. Is there any image of what they look under the fake skin?

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Not really high budget but its fucking great

>>385356932
>Platinum was a good choice for Nier becuase they excell at decent tier hack n slashes, since Taro has only ever made mediocre hack n slashes.
But anon, Platinum is only capable of making mediocre hack n slashes. Taro could have made the game by himself and it would have been just as mediocre.

>>385358083
Platinum made MGR which was signficantly better than Automata in th gameplay department

mostly because it wasnt loaded with useless stats. They made a mistake in treating Nier like an RPG

>>385348996
Why hasn't /v/ realized NA is the weeboo equivalent to The Last of Us?

>>385358392
NieR was treated like an RPG because Platinum were being faithful to the predecessor

>>385358586
I know, and I mentioned before that was a mistake. Nier 1 wasn't very good as an RPG, so it makes little sense to repeat the same errors with a new coat of skin.

>>385352894
he doesn't mean scale of philosophy, he means the games length and production values

>>385358702
Honestly it was probably the best idea to include the RPG elements, a lot of the fanbase would be angry if Automata was a pure Platinum action game, I know I would of been.

>>385351059
You're acting as if N:A is the first to do it. Read books.

>>385351591
> hammy pop song

So not only that you can't understand a presented situation that you immediately think it's some tearjerker, you have bad hearing too.

I'm sorry man. really.

>>385358889
Personally I wouldn't have cared, I started the series with Nier and still felt the RPG stuff was superfluous and not all well done. I preferred how Drakengard 1 kept all the stats stuff to a bare minimum, that game knew what it was about.

>>385359119
> HAHAHA IT'S NOT THE FIRST TO DO THING SO IT'S SHIT!

Maybe you should take your own advice?

>>385358392
>Platinum made MGR which was signficantly better than Automata in th gameplay department
It really wasn't, but at least it and Bayonetta are cheaper than Automata, so you could get two games that are equally as mediocre as Automata for less.

>>385358519

Elaborate.

>>385349628
nope

>>385354292
What? Yes you could. Tere is no reason why you couldn't just structure a film while going through the motions of it's predecessor, like using very familiar camera shots and moment buildups.

Gameplay wise MGS2 and MGS1 are not alike except the fact that MGS2 is a sequel so obviously it has improved mechanics, this is true for MGS3 and MGS4 aswell.

It's not like MGS2 mirroring MGS1 is something that the gameplay invokes in you, it's directly a story thing referenced IN the story. Could easily pass as a movie.

>>385350289
Original game's bosses were shit outside of the first Junkyard one and the giant ball in the Aerie.

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>>385348996
In the West developers design video games to make money, not art.

>>385359163
>I preferred how Drakengard 1
Opinion invalidated

>>385359915
>hurr stop talking about games you actually played

DoD1 honestly had some of the more interesting mechanics in the entire series but they were never fully developed upon. Drakengard 3 was such a letdown in that respect.

>>385359680

K

>>385360032
There was nothing interesting about DoD1's gameplay. It's low-budget shovelware that plays worse than your average mobile game. That game was only worst playing for the story and music, and even then the story wasn't all that good, just weird.

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>I'm not quite sure what it means to mourn, or even if we have a soul to concern ourselves with.
>But I hope you're at rest, 2B. Sweet dreams.
>I'll be with you before long.
my heart

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>>385360262
>rythm combos
>magic resistant enemies
>enemy variety is actually significant compared to the other games
>seamless ground/air combat
>you still had vulnerability while using the dragon on ground missions, it wasnt insta-win
>bosses were actually interesting to fight

yea nah, that game just needed some polish and and it'd hold up to this day, and far better than the ok-tier A"RPGS" the series has become

>>385360592
>>rythm activated magic
>each weapon has a unique spell

meant to add

>>385360469

Spoilers

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>>385360469
>starts as a generic fetch quest but goes for crazy feels
>that fucking flight unit message
i did entire route C in a single sitting and words can't describe how fucked up my emotional state was when i finished ending E
what a goddamn ride

>>385351059
t.Brainlet Tarocuck.

>>385348996
Artistic =/= Good

>>385359213
I did not say it's shit, just that it's been done before so it's effect is long overdue.

Like I said, read books. I don't know why you act so hostile when I mention something other than your videogames

>>385349239
Not as high as western games but definitely much much larger than NieR, marketing was relatively aggressive too.

>>385350423
this is about as artistic as your typical high budget hollywood film. in other words cliched and not artistic at all

>>385351059
>subtle
wew

>>385357596
This desu. Almost hard to believe it was made in Unity.

>>385363115
dafuq you say. That bitch's cheek texture contains finer art than you could make in your lifetime.

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>>385364605
which cheek are we talking about

>>385364605
>muh photorealistic textures makes it artistic.

its uninspired garbage

>>385364605
>>385364828
Graphicsfags are a cancer

>>385364828
>muh surrealism
why don't you go jerk off to van gogh, gaylord.

>>385364724
pick one,
>>385364828
>>385365426
>>385363115
these ungrateful shitkids are just mad because either cheek will be memorialized long after their pathetic and unceremonious death.

>>385365772
dense motherfucker you dont judge a game's artistry on a cheek texture. it's the game as a whole

>>385351289
Yeah, I've been telling that since I completed the game. It's far from great, but automatafags are ready to forgive any stupid shit the game makes.

>>385366260
no, you're just looking at the big picture and not at the smaller details

>>385351289
>>385366605
What the fuck is wrong with you retards,this "nierfags/automatafags are annoying" is getting out of control,just because someone said you didn't play the fucking game doesn't mean he's a fanboy
And it is easy to see who played and who didn't and I say this as someone who has not even played Automata