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Remember when Mortal Kombat was total crap? How did survive

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Remember when Mortal Kombat was total crap?

How did survive until today?
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Coasted off the brand name stragiht into the garbage bin, just like the playstation brand
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>Deception
>total crap

Here's your (You), friend.
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Deception was fine.

It probably had the best singleplayer fighting game content of 6th gen.
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>>385224690
Deadly Alliance was pretty good though.

Deception was a passable attempt that got elevated to an almost meme-like god status because of the shitty "RPG" mode that cost time that should've been spent on making the main fighting mechanics better.

Armageddon was just pure shit though.
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Never touched Armageddon but loved the other two. Fun shit with my brother. The retarded long dial in combos were ridiculous
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Shaolin Monks probably kept it alive long enough for 9 to save the series.

>>385225460

>that should've been spent on making the main fighting mechanics better.

It's Mortal Kombat, the fighting mechanics were never that good to begin with.
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>>385224690
Spinoff story stuff and side content.
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>>385225556
Which is why they should've spent more time improving them. Took them until 2015 to finally get it right.
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This minigame was so good
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>>385224690
Deception is a way better game than the modern Mortal Kombat games.
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>>385224690
>Remember when Mortal Kombat was total crap?

yes, i 'member Mortal Kombat as an entire franchise anon, i 'member.

>the shitty movie based on a shitty game is better than the games

dont know how this equation worked out but ok
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>>385225775

2015 MK is literally just 2011 MK minus Kabal plus a bunch of donut steels.
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>>385225960
MK was pretty much the best video game movie ever made and has still not been topped
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>>385225862
Mah nigga
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Shaolin Monks was one of the better MK games I've played.
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They got lucky. They were working on MK 2011 knowing they fucked up the last 3 and then were approached to make MK vs DC. That's why WB saved them when Midway went bankrupt.

Imagine, MK 2011 could've been one of those famous cancelled games and Ed Boon would be on kickstarter for the spiritual successor to Mortal Kombat.
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>>385226776
Only thing we lost was that cancelled Shaolin Monks sequel, which really really blows but at least there's a chance they could start over since at least the franchise was saved.
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>>385224690
>all fighting games must be top tier competetive
kysArmageddon was the only bad one
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>>385226938
>>385225460
What's wrong with Armageddon?
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>>385226219
X felt way less stiff than 9. I can't even play 9 because of how bad the movement feels. You do uppercuts and it passes right through the other guy's model half the time. It feels like moving through molasses.
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>>385226776
That's definitely not the order of events. After Armageddon Midway went bankrupt, then DC bought the rights to MK and hired the old midway studio team that developed it, and had them make MK vs DC, which is why the game is mechanically similar to the last 2 MK games. Only after that is when they started work on a reboot of the franchise and a return to 2d fighting.
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>people are actually defending the ps2 era Mk games
Nostalgiafags are something else
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>>385227273
All the characters in one game, so they reduced the amount of moves everyone had. Instead of 2 fight stances plus a weapon you just had two total, or in the case of the bosses, only one stance. Also too much emphasis on launching and doing air-combos. 2/3 of the moves list was air combos, and even they were the same inputs across all characters. Also no fatalities.

Konquest mode was pretty good tho
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>>385227498
Which is funny because up until a few years ago the only MK nostalgia fags were the 1-3 die hards who HATED everything that came after. Not sure what woodwork all these 3D era fans crawled out of but it's nice to see some variety finally in the fanbase.
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>>385227273
Bloated roster with some of the shittiest characters imaginable, bad fighting mechanics in general, character kreator just sucked ass, the story mode was meh, Mortal Kombat Kart was fun for a bit I guess
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>>385224690
I actually liked Deception's story mode.
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>>385227273
Very limited moves on every character
no fatalities instead a create-a-fatality bs
ugly character designs
literally who final boss
kart racer being worse than puzzle or chess
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>>385227559
Ah, now I remember. Character creator was kinda fun though. Create your own fatality was silly though, and should have remained to OCs only.
Motor Kart was fun though, just wish there was a reward or something for beating it.
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>>385227664
>>385227498
You're idiots if you don't understand how generations work.
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>>385227498

Nobody is defending Armageddon.
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>>385224784
S E E T H I N G
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0 taste
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>>385227824
I get it, it's just interesting how abruptly things changed. I think after MK9, which was basically just an HD trilogy, people were getting tired of the trilogy cast so for X you got a lot more asking for the more unknowns.
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>>385227778
Isn't the literally who final boss just Blaze but at his full power or something?
>>385227702
I agree, the story was meh. I didn't understand the difficulty of Konquest mode with it's bullshit traps and timing at all. And trying to find all the hidden items too.
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>>385227664
Where are you looking? People have loved Deception for ages.
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>>385228096
who the fuck was blaze though?
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>>385227496
I specifically remember being in the Midway forums and talking about it when the bankruptcy happened. It happened during the development of MK vs DC, and the game was still released under Midway, co-published by Warner Bros since they bought the team as they were wrapping up the game.
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>>385228261
Wasn't he some guy on a bridge in MK2? I thought he was also in Alliance and the PSP port of Deception too. I know you can find him in story in Deception. But yeah, it is weird that the somewhat obscure character became the final boss.
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>>385228261
The most boring character imaginable. Just a guy made of fire. Literally copied from Killer Instinct.
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>>385227664
The 3D games were always fun to me, probably because I sucked at fighting games back then. I always found fun in everything around the 3D games, but acknowledged that they weren't well-done. I was even a little mad when they jumped into 2.5D but I learned to prefer it. There's a lot of good stuff from the 3D era that I'm sad we haven't seen much of, but at least they got the fighting in the right direction. If Ed Boon let go of his obsession with being in e-sports, the games would have better content.
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>>385225026
I remember fapping to this plenty of times when I was in high-school.
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>>385224690
Shaolin Monks was cool.
Armageddon included the entire cast of the series, and a bunch of different modes.
MK9 was amazing and really put the franchise back on the map, Injustice was a great branch off for them too.

Unfortunately they started to release shit like MKX, and Injustice 2, which are complete shit.
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>>385228717
that pic reminds me why i hate current mileena
ok you may want to tone down sexiness but it betrays mileenas character desu her only appeal to me her sexiness hiding her mouth which is nightmare fuel
fuck off with that lip shit
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>>385228671
3D era had some sick ass stages tho
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>>385224690
mortal kombat players never cared about quality.
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>>385228929
The best. It had great music too, I hate that they went the superhero/atmospheric music route. I'll never get over that House of Pekara theme:

https://youtu.be/NJVi770ofyU
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>>385228929
What's some of your favorite 3D Maps? Mine is Hell, Outerrealm, and that one map with the big tower and lightning
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>tfw playing Shaolin Monks and getting to explore the environments in full 3D of famous stages throughout the series.
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>>385228929
Yup.
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>>385229291
I still hate playing the final boss. My favorite 3D game though. Wish you can play as everyone in Story Mode instead of just Scorpion, Sub-Zero, Lui and Kung
>>385229415
This stage still lays in my heart as that stage that randomly transformed and spooked me the first time
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>>385229193
I don't know all the names, but the one with the Buddha statues that spit acid, the one in DA where you're on the back of that flying thing, Golden Desert, that drum circle one, Pekara, the Deadly Alliance portal, and Shang Tsung's palace. Those are the ones that stick out the most.
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>>385229567
Another one of my favs is Qaun Chi's lair.
>Golden Desert
Great taste
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>>385225862
>Player 1 takes the square

I can still hear it
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>>385229567
Falling Cliffs was also great
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>>385230019
>falling cliffs
>trying to see what would happen if both players fell off at the same time
Tell me i'm not the only one who did this
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>>385228326
So DC Co publishing it saved the game from being canned all together? Either way my main point was they definitely didn't start working on the reboot until after they became NRS
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I just hope MK11 has a good roster. X's roster was highly questionable.
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I'm ashamed to admit this but I actually enjoyed Armageddon's story mode, I even played through it twice.
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>3D MK Thread
>No Adema Immortal

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic display from everyone.
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>>385231014
Three times here, to get all the relics. Yeah it's not bad.
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>>385231090
>MK Thread
>No Reptile Static X

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic display from everyone.
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>>385228717
Me too anon me too.
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>>385230578
There's a couple of interviews with Ed Boon that I can't find for the life of me. One was as recent as a couple of months ago, and the other was as old as when MK Armaggeddon was out. Back then, Ed talked about being in development of a reboot, combining the concept of MKX with the kids being the heroes and MK9 with the rebooting and 2.5D fighting.

In the latest interview, I remember him mentioning that WB or a higher up at Midway kinda forced them to work on MK vs DC. I'm sure they didnt have the 2.5D fighting system figured out yet since it was early in development, so that's probably why MK vs DC had 3D fights, but my point is that MK9 had been in development before WB swooped the MK team.
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>>385230625
I feel like WB shoehorned a bunch of the popular characters from 1 in for sales. That's probably also why half of the DLC characters aren't even actual kombatants. It was cool as hell to get Tremor but Hydro or some such would've been neat and there should've been a cyborg from the get-go.
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Shaolin monks is kino tho
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>>385224690
funny. it was fine up until they added xray moves.
>realistic mocap scans >>>>>>>>>>>> ingame designs
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>>385224690
Armageddon had the coolest intro.
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>>385229563
>tfw you and your brother discovered you could play as scorpion and sub zero
>tfw trying to get every secret in every area

SM was such a cool game
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Mortal Kombat has never actually been good. From the very beginning the only reason anyone played it is for fatalities and the interesting characters. Same deal today except there's also a great B movie story and loads of ridiculous cross over characters to go with it.
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>>385224690
They are all good games weather you like them or not is irrelavent.
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that create your fatality thing in armageddon>regular fatalities
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>>385232059
>tfw doing Smokes missions and getting MKII
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>>385226226
I think Street Fighter is the best.
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What's wrong with Deception and Deadly Alliance? they are fun games and have tons of single player content.
Not every fighting game has to be ultra competitive Guilty Gear tier.
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>>385231090
Adema is such a terrible band but that song and the album it's on is pure nostalgia for me
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I kinda think Kira is hotter than Sonya, but her render in DA was hot too.
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DA Sonya military outfit was the tits
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>>385232732
with bouncy physics
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>>385232732
Why couldn't this outfit be in X?
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>>385232073
'sup weeb?
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>>385228438
>Killer Instinct invented fire
Xbots are THIS unhinged
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>>385225026

Did not realize nostalgia-boners were a thing, but here we are. Classic.
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>>385233324
Just watching a video.

https://youtu.be/pAtL3dlfx3E
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>>385232732
god damn
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Would you play a MK adventure game built off Deceptions Konquest foundation but with a character with a fully customizable fighting style instead of cloning people
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>>385224690
Yes, they were pretty shitty, however:
>DA and Armageddon intro
>Deception's fatalities+hara kiris
>half assed but overall nice quest mode
>content locked in crypts, crypts being a total mystery
>every goofy image available
>Lore expanded
>Shaolin Monks

They had the right amount of stuff to be considered bad, but entertaining.
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>>385232732
Is Sonya a Jew?
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>>385224690
MkX and MK9 we're both shitty though and both attempted to reboot the series (poorly)

Netherrealm studios can't make a good fighting game to save their lives
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>>385225026
>mfw fighting games are now dying off because no dev adds single player content anymore

Now it's the capcom model of "here's some barebones shit, buy the next one coming up in a few months"
Now fightan games are just discarded like a used whore for the next one.
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It played like ass but Deception was great. That comfy ass story mode was so good
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>>385234017
9 was a smash hit and successful reboot, probably the best reboot ever made.

MKX didn't really do it for me, but they are still following the reboot timeline, making your entire post incorrect.
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>>385229291
>sequel never
it hurts
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Armageddon was fun as fuck though, I played the shit out of it one summer with my friend on the Wii.
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>>385231090
Holy shit that on disk Mortal Kombat themed music video. I forgot all about that
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>>385232073
that girl... where have i seen her before....
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>my weed tray
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>>385230625
I just hope Boon keeps his political agenda shit out of MK11.
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>>385232073
Meh, it was one of the only decent fighters when it came out, most of the fighting games back then had slow ass and floaty physics+unresponsive commands. SNK and Capcom got bigger and better tho, MK just got bigger.
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>>385234848
>queefs
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>>385234848
>tfw your older brothers always used your game cases as ashtrays/weedtrays
fuck off man
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>>385234848
Vacuum your fucking rug anon. Jesus.
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I thought Deception's conquest mode was cool as fuck with bunch of side content and great cameos.

But then again, I was in my early teens when it came out so my standards were much lower.
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>>385234848
DUDE
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>>385234017
Why don't you like them?
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>>385235530
Because he's a SFfag
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>>385234848
Everything about that room looks so filthy. I would go and clean it for you
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>>385233553
>not klassic
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Posting GOAT MK music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBZViaUMbh4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_r0oH60PJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiE19113HJ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXX2OuOgNtI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0r62o2aubo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrTbsLLZqIY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5UZLo2hTgQ
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>>385234848
ayy my buddy used GTA4 as his tray. I use my old highschool yearbook.
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>>385236147
it sounds like most stages have their own "finish"theme"
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deception was great

the single player campaign with shujinko kept me on the edge of my seat. boon (i guess netherrealm now) is great at packing single player content into the games, see injustice 2.
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>>385237430
To each their own I guess, I was bored shitless and had to force myself to finish that campaign to unlock all the characters I wanted. It was extremely obvious from the start that guy was getting played.
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>>385237615
so why don't I ever fight the Onaga? It kind of made me made that story mode never had a final boss.
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>>385224690
Probably because pre-online it didn't really matter whether a fighting game was good or not. Playing with a friend/sibling made all games fun.
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>>385237786
You play arcade mode to fight the final boss. The konquest was just a prequel to that.
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>>385233982
for you maybe
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>>385237964
I know that. It does make sense, when you face him he has all the plot devices you collected. If you fought him before story mode, it would be easy to make the assumption that Shujinko gets them taken.
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Nice of Boon to have him cameo in X.
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>>385238778
What? He wasn't in X, sadly.
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>>385238959
i though he was in the endings or was that in mk9
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>>385239707
yeah he is in some guys ending jobbing to him
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>>385239707
Yeah that was MK9, Noob's ending. I hope he comes back next game though.
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>>385231014
Its not that bad, its kinda fun with the swords and stuff
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I've always thought the 3D MK games were good. They could have used more refinement though. MK9 and X were steps back.
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>>385241000
checked
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>>385241213
thanks
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>>385229291
>tfw emulating SM in high resolution
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MK is a fucking garbage game. It was never good. Just a terrible neutral game and edgy gore, for kids.
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>>385243035
see
>>385234935
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>>385243035
Joke's on you, I'm in it for the lore, not gore.
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>>385243035
actually, MK9 and MKX are legit good gameplay-wise, the gore is just a bonus in them
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>>385243035
bait
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>>385242891
Screenshots?
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>>385243897
I'll fire it up, hold on (though it'll be annoying to get screenshots because I was playing with a friend in co-op mode)

actually, I can even make a webm I think, let's see what I can pull off
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Never played Armageddon or SM but Deception was actually pretty fun. The story mode was stupid but Hara-Kiri's were top tier

>Kobra rips his own heart out
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>>385234701
Newgrounds
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>>385239854
He's dead. Died in the comics
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>>385244452
>implying an entity as based as Lord Havik can ever truly die
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>>385232191
Street Fighter sucks
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>>385244580
I unno. Boon seems to hate all 3D characters except Kenshi. Which is a shame cause Ashrah,Havik, and with a little work Hotaru were cool
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Mortal Combat
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>>385245036
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>>385244758
It's a good thing the rest of the team is there to overrule him. I think he hates them more because they were a bitch to program rather than because they're bad characters.
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>Noob Saibot removed from the roster
Thanks for saving me the 60 dollars NRS
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>>385245036
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I'm just waiting for the dream to happen
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>>385228905
It wasn't merely that Mileena was an overtly sexual character despite her mouth and lineage. The entire point of the character is that she's a monster masquerading as a maiden. She was not merely sensual, but also sadistic and exceptionally vicious and violent. It was in MK9 where this translated into her acting like a manic, bubbly child who also happened to be Shao Kahn's number one assassin; she also wore the most revealing outfit of the three Edenians (four if you count Sindel).
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>>385244758
>mfw I unironically liked Bo Rai Cho
I also kinda liked Shinnok, Mavado, Havik, Kai and Nitara
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>>385245273
no havik cyborgs are all one character
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Which do you prefer? The super gory fatalities we have now or the comical/to the point fatalities from the past?
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>>385245273
That one Johnny with the yellow auras kinda plays like him.
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>>385245758
i saw havik and i was thinking you had good taste but then you had to put nitara
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>>385246059
The comical ones of course.
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>>385246161
There is literally nothing wrong with Nitara.

I thought /v/ liked skimpy dressed vampire girls?
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>>385246059
a mixture
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>>385243897
here's the plugin and settings
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>>385246059
Balance it out, I personally find some of the gory fatalities a bit comical.

Many old fatalities were comical due to the renderized actors, would be interesting to see a transition to 3D.

>>385246161
I liked her concept, not so much the execution.
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>>385244758
He loves Quan Chi too. Quan Chi is literally the Joker of mortal Kombat.
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>tfw he will never return
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>>385246508
>Quan Chi is literally the Joker of mortal Kombat.
how so
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Reminder that the only good 3D era characters are Quan Chi and Kenshi. Everyone else is trash.
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>>385246691
Kai isn't trash. He almost got into MKX but at the last minute they replaced him with that blob of human filth that is Bo Rai Cho
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>>385246628
He wears makeup
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>>385246691
>not liking Havik
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>>385246628
He's been in every game except deception ever since his introduction. And even in the ones he wasn't playable he still played a large role.
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>>385246691
Havik is a cool concept, and even though he was executed poorly Shujinkos concept as the ancient master that knows everything is also solid
Kobra is the worst
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>>385246628
he gay
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>>385246843
>except deception
he was in the intro fighting raiden then shang then teamed up with both raiden and shang tsung to stop big dragon man
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>>385246278
>>385243897
there you go this is small as fuck to reduce compression loss of quality

here's longer footage, with audio:
>>>/wsg/1799645

>>385246691
Cyber Sub-Zero and new Smoke design are godlike though

inb4 they don't count
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>>385224690

Because that's when it transitioned completely to the home consoles after MK4.

Arcade was dying so they pushed all the marketing towards consoles and filled their games with stuff casuals would love.
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>>385235129
He would be wasting his time. Back when I was a degenerate pothead I'd vacuum my room but within like two days there'd be debris all over the floor again, it's a waste of effort.
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>>385246843
>>385247030
IIRC you could also fight him in konquest mode, or at least hack the game to fight/play as him.
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>>385226226
First RE movie was good as well
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>>385244421
... Oh yeah... that game with Kozmo Kramer the Assman.... Good times.
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>>385226226
Warcraft, you mongoloid
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>>385224690
>try the story mode
>oh you start off as a kid
>learn the moves from Bo Rai Cho
>well that was pretty hard but I'm sure the story will get better
>you just travel to different maps and learn someone else's entire move set
>even transform into that character for some reason
who writes this shit
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>>385245724
And then in MKX, she turns into a generic powermonger who gets executed via lesbian bug.
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>>385247082
online mod when?
other characters mod when?

must suck having to play it solo like that, but I remember when I had to do the same a time or two.
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>>385246913
>kobra
>not tsu hao
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>>385247850
It's not too bad solo. Granted. I never had anyone to play with anyway. I would think it would be even more fun with someone else.
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>>385247938
All of the new black/red dragon characters were dogshit.
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>>385247850
I have no idea wether you can netplay RPCS2, and I was playing with a friend, though we stopped it because we got into MKX and started playing it online

why is Cyber Subzero's damage so shit? fuck, makes me wanna go back to Sektor
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>>385233982
Man Bernie Sanders really went downhill after the election
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>>385246913
I think 3D MK had some interesting concepts:
Kai being like the kareem abdul jabar of liu kang's bruce lee.
Bo Rai Cho being the drunken master.
Havik and Hotaro being representative of order and chaos.
Kenshi's blind swordman thing was and instant winner.
Shujinko being practically a martial arts master.

They weren't perfect by any means, but the concepts are at least interesting.

Kobra, Kira, Tsu Hao, Darrius, Ashrah, Dairou, Jarrek and Reiko are all shit, tho.
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What's the appeal of this franchise?
>HUEHUE I CRUSHED HIS SKULL AND THERE'S BLOOD
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What's wrong with Kobra? Just make him some violent street thug (which is what he started as). That was the perfect archetype for MK1 and he would have fit in perfectly with the series back then.
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Deception> Deadly Alliance> Armageddon
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>>385225026

Mileena was the cause of one of my first boners.
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>>385248231
at least that has appeal unlike you
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>exclusively only play the Ninja's and Robot's.
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>>385248240
Has no style, street thugs usually have some redeeming qualities.

>Hugo is big as fuck and a grapler
>K´ is stylish + robotics shit

I know it's kinda unfair to compare weeb games to MK, but Kobra is just boring. Even Mokap is more interesting.
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>>385247082
anon why don't you download a widescreen hack for it?
It will look even better, trust me
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>>385248231
Pretty much. In a world where Street Fighter II was the king of fighting games, Mortal Kombat immediately stood out with its intense gore and casual play. It was slightly more outlandish than Street Fighter and quickly carved out a niche of its own. It also go a bunch of street cred for being one of the main games responsible for leading to the founding of the ESRB.
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>>385226226
>>385232191
>>385247569
>>385247784

Silent Hill is best, Mortal Kombat is second, Resident Evil is third.
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>>385248567
Warcraft is the best one. Only one of those that actually entertained.
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>>385248560
MK was faster and responded better than most fighting games back in the day. Too bad they never fixed anything until recently.
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>>385248557
if me and my friend ever continue the run I'll try it out, but won't it cause graphical glitches?
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>>385248697
>chink mode activated

Warcraft was fucking awful

go back to china
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>>385247938
I forgot Tsu Hao existed
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>>385248464

Good reply, fuck these FGC fags.
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explain
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>>385248240
Dude is literally Johnny from The Karate Kid
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>>385246691
quan-chi appeared on mithologies sub-zero before mk4
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>>385247850
>the last game i played in co-op with my oldest brother
dang,i kinda miss playing with my brothers,too bad they dont even play any games anymore and are far away from here
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Sfiv brought it back. Also mk is still crap today. It's a poor mans sfiv and sfiv is easily the worst sf game so you get the idea.
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MKX sucks, MK9 was better in every way shape and form.
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>>385229291
this game is ridiculously underrated
so much fucking fun
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i don't remember MK being good at all
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Shaolin Monks 2 when?
>>
I liked Mortal Kombat Armageddon mostly because every character until then was playable. Also, I liked the Konquest series and the movies, specially the second for trying to fit as many characters as they could even if in the end they would die in the silliest ways like Sheeva being crushed by a chandelier. It's a good comedy series
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The amount of times I used to jack off to Mileena...
You could fill literal batthubs with my cum
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>>385249651
>that sound Raiden makes when getting up
imprinted in my memory
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Mortal Kombat, mechanics wise, was always trash. They were just fun timewasters primarily carried by the Fatality gimmick. No one took MK seriously until MK9.

That said, the 6th gen MK games are pure shit, even by MK standards.
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Did someone say best girl
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>>385236147
MK deception Characters Select Theme, my nigga
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MK5 was good, best since 2 desu.
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>>385248975
not at all, i haven't run into any glitches in my playthrough
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>>385252556
and Chopping.
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>>385248975
That bulge.
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