They should've just stopped making Pokémon games after

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>>385200330
>>>/vp/

>>385200330
HG/SS were the worst remakes though. They did nothing to improve the originals.

>>385200523
This has got to be bait

>>385200523
Shit bait. At least write a couple paragraphs.

Wrong, Pokemon peaked at BW2

>>385200330
>>385201085
>no fairy type

>>385200550
>>385200981
OR/AS sold better on a handheld with a lower attach rate.

>>385201773
>XY better than SM
Now THIS is bait.

>>385201816
XY have marginally better level design, a less annoying story by the virtue of not being as prominent (although the writing is just as bad), and better auxiliary content. SM are irredeemable trash, XY are supbar at absolute best but still have a few redeeming qualities.

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>>385201773

>>385200330
my fucking nigger.

>>385202203
whats the point of masterball-tier when you put none, idiot?

>>385200330
Blah, blah, blah level curves.

>>385200330
SM are the best games though, HGSS are massively overrated and didn't do anything to fix Gen 2's massive problems like the retarded level curve and absolute garbage pokemon distribution (want a Houndour or Larvitar? better beat the game first lmao)

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>>385204430
>level 40 E4

>people were able to continue playing Pokemon after Crystal
I don't know how you fags could bring yourself to do it

>>385202028
>>385201773
Literally Zelda Cycle at work, come Gen 8 and people are going to pop up saying that SM were good after all

why does everyone circle jerk these remakes?
they probably weren't even born when the originals came out

>>385204783
Because /vp/ are the definition of nostalgiafaggotry

>>385204764
No? I loved every game before XY. Go away with your shitty conspiracy theory.

Besides, people who try to defend SM have no valid points to make outside of the graphical improvements and a few QoL fixes.

>>385204314
The point is to show that no Pokemon game has hit Master Ball tier yet. Some of them are better than others, but Game Freak has yet to figure out how to make the perfect Pokemon game. They've shown flashes of being capable, but they seem to be unable to put all of the right pieces together in one game.

>>385204903
>great pokedex distribution, and you can do crazy shit like getting a Salamence or Snorlax on the first island if you're autistic enough
>most challenging game in the series, Trials are way better than gyms
>best story in the series
>evs and ivs are streamlined like never before, it's ridiculously easy to get into competitive now
>great region with consistent atmosphere unlike Kalos which was France for only one city
>Z-moves are way better than megas which are restricted to only already-popular pokemon
>no more HMs
Reminder that /vp/ are the only people contrarian enough to actively hate SM

>>385205227
>0 post game

>>385205592
>dude 5 reskinned battle towers is totally good postgame

>>385205671
But they're fun

>>385205705
So is Battle Tree and playing online

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>>385205752
but the battle tree is the same, at least shit like the factory and the arcade ahad gimmicks

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>Download Crystal on my 3DS
>Just found out that Mareep isn't available in the game
>Can't my have duo
Well, that literally ruined my motivation to keep playing.
Honestly gotta be fucking kidding me, what a dumb fucking decision.

>>385200330
Gamefreak should just embrace DLC
instead of making a thousand remakes each gen they should just make each remake DLC for the mainline game
I don't know why they are stuck in the past making dual games so often when they should just make each version DLC for a single game
After all everyone buys both versions anyway, it won't be any difference if those versions are standalone shit or DLC
and especially since Gamefreak have stopped doing a third version they could easily just make it DLC for the main game instead for less effort than it takes to make the same game a third time but with extra content

>>385205227
>extreme linearity and handholding to give more emphasis to the story
>competitive is still shit and GF missed the only chance they had to reset the power creep
>no memorable dungeons or cities
Nice game.

>>385206115
>literally every game after gen 2 is extremely linear, people praise Unova all the time which is literally a fucking circle, also game actually has less handholding than gen 5 with its healers on every route
>blame gen 6 and genies of balance
>Po Town, Konikoni City, Vast Poni Canyon and Malie City were all pretty memorable imo

>>385206294
unova only becomes a circle after you reach the post-game
before that it is literally a Straight fucking line with a little backtracking done after you unlock fly

>>385206294
You can't even compare the linearity of SM to the other games. They literaly take the player out of the unintended path every time you try to stray from it. Almost every route is a fucking road with a bunch of grass here and there. In the other games there was always a cave system to explore, a dungeon-like route or a recurring location you could explore. The only limits the player had were medals and MOs which were a pacing and power check.

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>>385206574
Again, Unova is a circle and Pokemon has been an extremely linear game and almost every cave or forest was really just the path to the next destination

>>385206294
>SM is not at fault, the other games had bad aspects too
Not an argument.

>>385206769
meant for >>385206664

>>385206781
Neither is ignoring other games having the same issues that you claim SM had but praising one and criticizing the other. It's literally just nostalgiafaggotry

>>385206805
I agree Unova is complete garbage.

>>385200330
λολ

>>385206854
I am not ignoring the other game's issues. I am stating that SM has bigger issues because the shortcomings of the other games became worse. The only thing this game improved was the difficulty.

>>385206956
They are at the same level as other games, they did not become "worse" because previous games were already as linear as you can get. Meanwhile Gen 5 and 6 both had cutscenes up the fucking wazoo but nobody ever mentions those. Again, nostalgiafaggotry.

>>385205227
I would agree with most of what you said, except that they removed Supertraining and the ability to see at a glance EVs.
I am still upset about this removal.

Also, I prefer Black/White 1&2 storywise and HG/SS holds a special place in my heart due to Team Rocket and my Pokepal trotting along behind me.

>>385207226
Team Rocket is boring as fuck, Team Skull is unironically the best villainous team in the series

>>385207079
The other games were not as linear as this one. I already said why. You're not providing a single argument and you're already calling me a nostalgiafag.

>>385207390
Tell me how Kalos and Unova are less linear than Alola. What alternate branching paths are there, what alternate routes can you take to complete the game?

>>385200330
BW and BW2 exist.

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>>385207390
>>385207481
Also reminder that this is the map of Unova

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>Hey guys, check out this new Dark type!
>Can't actually get any Dark types until you reach Kanto, except Umbreon.

Gen 2's distribution of the new Pokemon was nearly as bad as Gen 7's.

>>385201816
>>385204764
xy were always good even if only online component finally became somewhat good
then sm came and killed it all, confining it to a menu option that takes half an hour to access

>>385207481
You have mentioned the worst offenders in the whole saga. I don't have crystal clear and perfect memory of every route. Why don't you tell me how Alola is less linear than those?

>>385207759
I am not the one making the claim that Alola is not linear, you are making the claim that Unova and Kalos are less linear than Alola: >>385207390

>>385200330
Is it just me or are gens going by...quicker?

or am I just getting old?

>>385200330

Platinum came before it and was a FAR better game. B/W came after it and was a FAR better game. For those who give such lofty praises to HG/SS, I'd advise you to replay them as the luster comes off immediately.

>>385201085
Shit bait. Aside from PWT, everything B2W2 has to offer is done way better in other games.

>>385207843
Your perception of time becomes faster when you get older

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>>385207831
Again, I already said why and I was not mentioning Unova or Kalos. You're the one who said that Alola is fine because the others were bad too, but whatever.
Look at this map. You can't visit other roads or caves before having walked the intended path.

>>385201085

No. The original games were superior for having the balls to use to use the region lock and the great characterization and plot. The sequels threw that out for another title that was just more of the same.

>>385208148
You had never previously made an exception for Kalos and Unova, you said that Alola was the most linear game in the series. So far you have been unable to show how Alola is more linear than either Kalos or Unova, and since you are the one making the claim the burden of proof is on you, not me.

>>385207843
pokemon has always been a yearly release but lately its changed
They used to release the games like this
>first year is a new gen with the mandatory two games
>second year is the third game which is an expanded version
>third year is remakes of a gen
>repeat from beginning
But now they do it like this
>first year is a new gen
>second year is remakes of a gen
>repeat from beginning
There hasn't been a proper third game since Platinum
Black2/white2 don't count since they are same gen sequels, not an actual third game, its a completely different thing

We will never get a third game ever again

>>385208332
There's proof and arguments in this thread already.
>>385206664
>>385208148

>>385208640
The map of Alola is just as linear as that of Kalos and Unova and you haven't been able to prove otherwise

>>385206115
I hate their solution to the powercreep with S&M Pokemon. I wanted to use them, but nearly every one of them suck.

It's most telling when all of the "tough"/"badass"/"strong"/important trainers primarily use non-S/M Pokemon on their teams.

>>385208724
Can you read the damn posts? I'm not bothering anymore, I've already said why. Your whole defense on Alola is saying that there's worse stuff out there and I've already given proof that there is none in the saga.

>>385209197
All you did was say "Alola is more linear than Kalos and Unova because I say so", give a map of Alola without specifying anything, and then act like you actually presented an argument. I see no reason to believe from the map you posted that Alola is more linear than Kalos and/or Unova, nostalgiafag.

>>385200330
Those are the worst games in the series, though, except for the other gen 4 games. Guess you were too underage to play GSC on release, huh? HGSS is such a step down it's unbelievable.

>>385201773
I agree

>>385202203
put bw2 up in ultra and i agree

>>385200330
The sad thing is, those games could easily be topped if only Gamefreak cared. Fleshing out the post game content isn't hard as long as they put any effort in it.

>>385208265
>region lock
>good
Yeah I love not Pidgey, not Zubat, and not Geodude. So fucking great, I'm glad GameFreak made the game so varied.

>>385209306
I'm done with you, you aren't even bothering to read posts. It's you turn to retaliate and all you're doing is saying you don't admit my arguments instead of showing proof as to why they're wrong.
Let me post how much of an idiot you are before leaving:
>namecalling, literaly ad hominem
>my argument is true because it can't be proved otherwise, and defending something bad saying there are worse things
>proof is presented
>autistic screeching followed by denying both middle ground and arguments, without presenting proof or counter arguments

>>385209871
that's a lot of words to not have a single argument
>alola is the most linear because i said so, just look at this map of alola without any clarification
Again, what alternate routes or paths can you take in Unova or Kalos? You still haven't answered my question, nostalgiafag

Usum has pwt it's the best

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>>385200523
>HG/SS were the worst remakes though

Come again

>>385200523
explain why in detail

>>385211148
>awful level curve
>terrible pokemon distribution
>safari zone was so bad that it probably lead to the safari zone being removed from future games, seriously THIRTY FUCKING DAYS if you want a Trapinch

>>385211075
>The first town has the best remake ost.
>Everything else is mediocre and shit

Hau can they fuck up so badly

I would definitely buy Pokemon White Diamond and Black Pearl on the New3DS and/or Switch

>>385211763
It's Diamond Dimension and Pearl Paradox

>>385207607
I literally don't see the problem with that

>>385209332
why are they a step down?

>>385211402
how is that any different than the original games?

>>385211763
>white diamond
>not black diamond

You think Gamefreak would miss out on the opportunity to name a Pokemon game after a Kiss song?

>>385211763
I wouldn't put it past Nintendo/Game Freak to be lazy and cheap enough to remake 2 generations in one but if that were to happen I have no idea how they'd combine 2 separate generations of stories into one cartridge. Not the mention the space it would take up.

I was think once they'd get to black/white they'd combine b/w and b2/w2 if anything.

>>385212040
Because you didn't have to mess around with blocks and decorations to get a tiny chance of a pokemon after literally 30 days

>>385211959
>introduce johto pokemon
>can't even find them in johto, they're kanto-exclusive
why the fuck should I have to wait until after I've beaten the E4 to get a johto pokemon that isn't even a pseudo-legendary

>>385212850
why are you entitled to decide when you get a new pokemon? it literally doesn't matter at all

>>385212981
Are you retarded? Would you like it if next time they hid over half the Pokedex behind the post game? It's obvious when somebody is a HG/SS apologist. Don't defend retarded game design.

>>385214101
no I'm just a G/S apologist
Crystal is the best one anyway

>>385200330
This pokemon game had the worst level scaling ever, but people will overlook that because muh two regions.

>>385200550
>>385200981
Different anon, but I don't see how it was bait. HG/SS were just the exact same map/trainers/story as the original games. The graphics/battle system/online play were simply lifted from Platinum. The only new additions were gimmicks like the Pokewalker.
HG/SS were direct remakes of 10 year old games that copy pasted the game infrastructure from the series' most recent game at the time. People only praise HG/SS, because millenials have a hard on for Gen 2 Pokemon.

>>385214810
>they were exact copies of the best games ever made

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>it's been just as long between HG/SS and now as it was between them and the original games

>>385215268
No. Original Gold and Silver aren't even the best Pokemon games.
>worst level pacing through the story of any gen
>elite 4 level 40 Pokemon
>still no hold items
>still no EVs, natures, or other aspects to differentiate Pokemon from each other
>limited move pools for most Pokemon
>Special/Physical attacks still tied to types, which makes many Pokemon (Gyarardos for instance) and a couple types (Ghost for instance) completely unusable
>can't catch many new Pokemon until stupidly late in the game (ex: Larvitar takes 16 badges)
>worst starters besides gen 5 (I know this one is subjective, but it's a complaint of mine)
Later Pokemon games fixed these flaws and were better overall games. Stop with the nostalgia. Anyone who says Gen 1 or 2 are the best games simply haven't spent time with the later gens.

Should have stopped after B2/W2.

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>>385200330

Haven't seen such obvious bait in ages.

>>385201773
wow an accurate list for once thank u

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What makes people love the Johto games when they always had the worst level curves and terrible distribution of the new region-specific Pokemon? Also, HGSS was an extremely slow game to play.

>>385216185
>not having EVs or IVs is considered a negative
I want you to know something right now. Take all memes, shitposts, and bait aside for a moment. I want you to know how fucking much of a goddamn retard you are and how objectively wrong your opinion is. Those ruined the series and took the level of grinding and tedium, and turned it up to 11. They changed the games from an enjoyable romp into a diatribe of autism.
Such a waste.

>>385216185
>>385217571
You're both fucking retards because those have existed since the first games.

>>385217571
>I just want muh casual game
EVs and IVs are great. They allow you to build your personalized perfect Pokemon and give you a sense of accomplishment when you finally max them out. I don't see how a game element that incentivizes putting effort into stat building is a bad thing. Along with move breeeding, EVs/IVs allow knowledgeable players to separate themselves from casuals like yourself.
>diatribe of autism
It's an RPG, that's kind of the point of the genre.

>>385217116
HGSS had enough QoL improvements to make it faster to play, but it still suffers greatly from terrible distribution and level pacing like you said.

>>385218909
No. Gens 1 & 2 had stat experience, which was completely different from the modern limited EV points introduced in Gen 3.