Playing this for the first time. The amount of playable characters

Awful sequel

>>385179780
im new to it as well, but my friend has been getting at me to play it since the 8th grade.

From my playthrough decisions or interactions can either cause you to do one of the following:
>get character now
>get character later in game
>not get character A, but get cahracter B soon after

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Because there are so many characters, they're all pretty much set up to be stand-ins for each other. I wouldn't worry about it at all, and just pick whoever you like best. And yes, you won't get to recruit everyone on your first playthrough so don't sweat it.

Guile is cool.

I just pick the waifus and a few cool guys as my main picks

>>385180009
Apparently if you turn down Kid's invitation to join your party twice (first at the grave, second time in Termina) she will never join. Despite being so important to the story, you can skip her entirely.

>>385180119
>I wouldn't worry about it at all, and just pick whoever you like best.
Cool, that's what I was leaning towards. The only person I know I want for sure is Glenn.

>>385179780
The only missable character that you're at a clear disadvantage for not grabbing is Glenn.
If no one spoils you on how to get him, you'll probably miss him on a first play through as it involves making the "wrong" choice in what seems like a really obvious decision story wise.
That said, it's not like the game is so hard that you need the extra OP character.

Some good characters are Kid (duh), Glenn, Fargo, Radius, Norris, and Karsh.

>>385180549
Shit, I really want Glenn but I don't want to be too spoiled.

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>>385180737
You'll be coming up on it soon, after you raid the castle with Guile. Just remember what that anon said.
>it involves making the "wrong" choice in what seems like a really obvious decision story wise.

>>385180737
Here's a hint: Be mean

>>385181084
>>385181148
Alright, I can work with that. So shortly after Viper mansion, be a dick in whatever "big choice" comes up.

>>385181227
Yes.

Summons are also 100% bullshit game breakers for most of the game and should be avoided unless that's your kinda thing
so easy to use and they hit like trucks

I had Serge, Kiddd, Glenn, Guile, and possibly a couple of others throughout the whole quest.

I liked this game much more once I let go of my wish for a trigger sequel. shit's comfy

>>385181329
I'll probably skip them then. Honestly so far the game has been so easy I've almost never had to heal during battle.

>>385179780
Chrono Cross never existed

>>385181376
Aside from an optional battle later on (and it can be cheesed anyway) there's only a few battles which are real nightmares. It does get more difficult later on but not too bad.

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>tfw never actually finished it
>can replay for the rest of my life and never get bored

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>Fighting Tragediennes to farm some elements.
>"I like to suck [long pause in text scroll] blood."

>>385181363
>I liked this game much more once I let go of my wish for a trigger sequel.
There's so many call-backs to things from Trigger but I'm still trying to wrap my head around how the world could have changed so much in just a few years.

>>385181227
Man that choice is hard to make. But Glenn is totally worth it.

>>385181872
>when Glenn gets to dual wield the same legendary sword because of time shenanigans
both awesome and kinda hilarious

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using a guide?

>>385182128
Nah, winging it
I picked Guile because I heard he was supposed to originally be Magus

>>385181821
The island chain that Cross takes place on would be like a couple dot on the CT world map, and it doesn't even fully exist till after you change the future at the end of Trigger anyway.

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>>385182128
>dat Nikki performance

>>385182281
Only during very early development. He's still a good choice early. He falls off mid game though.

>>385182470
Oh, I knew El Nido was supposed to be a distant archipelago away from the mainland from Trigger but I didn't know it was that small

>>385182281
Yeah, in Radical Dreamers, which is like the prototype for Cross, he's Magus.
That plot thread got dropped in Cross proper though because they didn't feel like they had the time/resources to do it justice but they did have the time and resources to add a bunch of unimportant superfluous shit

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>Want to use a different Red/Blue Innate character.
>Feel obligated to use Kid/Fargo because muh stealing skill.

>>385179897
Did you come up with that opinion all by yourself big boy?!

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Glenn is a fan favorite because he resembles Frog, younger brother the badass character you don't play as, gets to dual wield, has a double tech with Serge, and is the 3rd player character in the demo screen. But the way you get him is total bullshit:

You have to let Kid die. Its totally unrealistic in an rpg with so many weird shit going on. Also the characters you get when you actually do the mission kinda suck(Though some people might like the fairy). It even lets you skip parts of the game.

Later on, you encounter plenty of cool characters (who were mostly previous bosses). They aren't that hard to choose.

Pip is also neat I guess because it transforms. Sprigg has an ability to transform into different monsters.


Most of them are really weird and pointless.

>>385182758
Yeah normally I don't bother with the thief characters but Kid can actually steal successfully quite often and is also a top-tier party member to boot

my blue go-to is Leena though

>>385183083
>top-tier party member

Don't most characters fall into a few niches and are essentially the same?

>>385182758
I still have a deep hatred for Fargo, mother fucker cant steal armor from dragons to save his life.

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>tfw want to replay just for thicc frying-pan momfu
Is Macha a viable party member?

>>385183281
They're made to be able to fill eachothers' roles but some of them have distinct advantages over others like better overall stats, a larger element grid, etc.

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>>385182602
Yeah, during Trigger the only island in the archipelago that exists is Gaea's Navel

After Crono and co. save the future, Chronopolis gets built, but an experiment on the Frozen Flame goes wrong and transports the whole facility back in time 10000 years, to the Sea of Eden.
F.A.T.E. understands the introducing future tech into the past is a bad idea and terraforms the rest of the islands into existence to hide itself.
It also mind wipes all the researchers at the facility and sends them to live on said islands.
All the natives of the archipelago (except for Leah) are descendants of the scientists from Chronopolis.

>>385183374
She has the highest physical defense of ANY character, in addition to high magic attack/defense and decent physical attack
Her only real drawback is low HP

macha it up

Who is best girl?

>>385183718
Probably Harle

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>>385183756
You can't make accusations like that without evidence. I asshume you have some.

>>385183718

Orlha.

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>>385183896

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>>385183830
It's the outfit and the franglais accent
Also she keeps flirting and telling Serge to dream about her, in front of the other female characters, proving her status as the alpha

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>see this thing in battle
>confused and aroused 11 year old self
>damage her
>extremely confused and aroused 11 year old self

I remember being stuck on Fargo's pirate ship for a long ass time

>>385184443
>The one that was a guy.

>trigger and cross on pc fucking when

>>385180323
>person I know I want for sure is Glenn.
Telling you this now and hopefully you havent gotten past Viper Manor but DON'T help Kid when she gets poisoned, helping her cuts you off from getting Glenn

What is the best innate element and why is it Green?

>>385183896
My nigga.

>>385184643
>what are emulators
hurrrrr

>>385184996
whoaaa had no idea that was a think head ass nigga

>>385184480
I don't have the key

>>385184480
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBUAc4bjM90
I still hear this in my head.

>>385184943
it's actually white, followed by blue

>>385184643
I am a little surprised that at least Cross isn't on Steam, they have FF7-9 so it's not like porting PS1 rpgs is something they're averse to

maybe it's just not popular enough

>>385185373
What's the worst?

just know that 90% of the playable characters are shit. Only Guile, Glenn and maybe Kid are actually good. But the game's pretty easy anyway, you can beat it with whatever team.

>>385185545
>grabbed Poshul and Mojo at the start
>sidelined almost instantly

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Don't mind me, I'm just being the best Yeloow innate. honorable mention to zoah though

>>385185498
Yellow.

>>385186081
That's about what I thought

White > Blue > Green > Red > Black > Yellow

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>>385179780
Its pretty easy to miss party members if you don't have a guide. Only a few of them are directly in your path like Guile and there's a few more that you'll get in the main quest iself, but most of them are out of the way
And some are just plain obtuse.

But in all seriousness you can use whatever party set up you want because Serge does so much god damn damage. You can have 2 shitty party members who do nothing and still plow through bosses provided you understand how the element field works.
Harle is best girl

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>>385185729
>not funguy

>>385186631
>provided you understand how the element field works
I remember hearing so much complaining about how the battle system was obtuse/confusing and there wasn't enough tutorial etc.
Not sure what they were talking about because it all makes perfect sense and is actually a pretty neat system

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>>385187000
I got the hang of it in like half an hour.
The element system is actually pretty cool and makes a lot of sense, use elements and that element gets stronger, stacks up to 3 times, but other colors will ruin the combo so you gotta keep it going.
The only thing I don't like from the battle system is how enemies can interrupt you while you're doing your combo swings.
I know why its something to do with how many actions they're given at the start of a fight, but I wish they'd have made it more clear when its actually their turn to strike so you can play around it as opposed to your character jumping back and you being forced out of what you were doing.

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Prepare your butthole

>>385187273
Yeah enemies interrupting you is my biggest complaint too. I think it was their way of trying to insert a little bit of Trigger's "active battle" style but it didn't quite work.

>>385183718
Poshul

>>385187331
>NG+

>>385185729

>Best White
Serge, Starky
>Best Black
Harle, Guile
>Best Red
Draggy, Miki
>Best Blue
Orlha, Marcy
>Best Green
Glenn, Razzly
>Best Yellow
Leah, Norris

All three plant-based characters were terrible.

>>385187450
You gonna give her your Heckran Bone?

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>>385187495
>NeoFio was my main Green my first playthrough

>finished this game as a kid
>don't remember having so many playable characters
Now I'm thinking if I did really finished it.

>>385179780
I liked Draggy, but that's really the only optional character that I would say is "gotta have." Harle is great, but you get her no matter what.

>>385188032
A lot of them are really easy to miss

>>385179780
This pic makes me realize how shit most of the characters felt. It also makes me realize one of the reasons I dropped the game.

>>385179780
Just wing it this time, you retain all the characters you acquired in the next play through anyway so just go for it.

Guile is probably the b3st choice out of those 3, Pierre is pretty good if you get his accessories and items, Nikki is alright, but you made a good choice

Overall the best ones would probably be orlha, grobyc is good but you get him anyway so he's always there, Leah is good too, Glenn is a good choice overall due to his dual techs and sword later on, pip as an arch devil is really good too and sprigg but you get sprigg anyway with the plot.


Orlha and Leah are probably the strongest physical wise, but ultimately your party will depend on what innate elements you get and the double/triple techs you use.

And yeah, the score for this game is a masterpiece.

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>Finally bothered to do the monster arena for once.

Why is the final round such a joke compared to the first two?

>>385188695
I remember having a hard time on it at first
Though that was before I did the Sprigg stuff.
It was pretty fun, kinda wish there was more of it than that one section.

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>>385188695
I had a lot of trouble with round 2 for the longest time. I was dumb and used my lagoonate too early so I had to get lucky and bank on soul rip insta kills to carry me

it worked, but I ended up never using the rabbit anyway.

Playing this immediately after the DS version of Trigger is pretty rewarding once you know all about F.A.T.E and Chronopolis and how it all fits together.

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>>385186631
Wrong.

I couldn't get into the extra characters at all because they had very little or no plot importance.

>>385189394
that's a good lookin Flea

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Hi.

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>Kid is barely in the game despite being a main character
>Its possible to have her even less

>>385189635
Leena is superior anyway

>>385189635
You don't even have to recruit her at all. Turn her down twice and she never joins.

>>385189502
It's a shame there isn't very much of he-... hi-...
this person.

>>385180230
nop, only for the first few hours, you always get her after she's poisoned. Also doing this makes you get Lenna.

>>385189951
Ah yes the old debate of Flea's true gender.

>Most people look at Flea and assume he is female as he takes the physical form of one. Once he mentions he is actually a man mass confusion breaks out. Look at it this way: when Flea first appears in the Magic Cave he takes the form of an ordinary bat. When he appears for battle in Magus' Castle he changes into a human form. This leads us to believe he can assume any shape he desires as he is a magician. Note that the demi-human Sprigg could also change shape, so it is possible the trait is passed down through some types of demi-humans. It is also possible the female exterior we see is not even Flea's true form; it is impossible to know for sure what Flea really looks like. The bottom line is Flea claims to be a male in Chrono Trigger and is labeled as a male in Chrono Cross. Who would know more about Flea's gender than the man himself? Why he assumes the shape of a girl is unknown.

Source: http://www.cot.drackir.com/inquiry.htm this guy's site is a pretty good and straightforward collection of a lot of Cross/Trigger information

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>>385190096
Also this map helps put things into perspective, though as he says El Nido is not to scale and would be much, much smaller

>>385190096
>Why he assumes the shape of a girl is unknown.
I think I have a decent idea why

>>385180737
>Shit, I really want Glenn but I don't want to be too spoiled.

Don't help when the poison happens.

>>385189635
She is so damn hot though. Best waifu of all time.

>>385190514
dat accent

>>385187762

Nothing inherently wrong with NeoFio. Her stats are just plain bad though.

The obscurity of Turnip and Funguy are the main reason they suck. Plus green and yellow just have much better choices that are just given to you much earlier.

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>tfw you disassemble the Profiteer Purse and get iron equipment way earlier than you should.

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>>385190301
I see this and all I can think of is:
crono and co just waltzed across the entire motherfucking globe in an afternoon stroll for a couple of minutes before heading to the millenium fair grounds which is bigger than an entire god damn archipelago

>>385191308
Yeah it is a little jarring. Lucca's house should be like 500 miles away from Crono's house but you just hop on over.

>>385190096
>The bottom line is Flea claims to be a male in Chrono Trigger and is labeled as a male in Chrono Cross. Who would know more about Flea's gender than the man himself?

No, don't ruin this for me, the ambiguity makes it even better.

>>385191298
Ooh, now there's something I didn't know

>>385182560
I liked his reverse sphere grid, by endgame you can just load him up with all your high level shit while serge is pummeling everything to death

>>385191496
I remember thinking at first that he just had a really small element grid and later realized it was motherfucking inverted.

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>>385189635
I couldn't stand kid on my first playthrough. She was loud, arrogant, and fucking activated that trap in viper manor after I told her not to.

WORST GIRL but her steal ability is super useful so I kept using her anyway

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>>385179780
>gave players 30 characters
>can only have 2 of them in your party at a time
>barely any development on most of them
Chrono Cross was a fucking mistake fuck you
Radiant Historia is the true sequel

>>385191770
>Starky learned Thank You

>>385191770
>first time you meet her she just so happens to appear in the nick of time to rescue you - also knows way more about you than she has any reason to
red flag #1
>second time you meet her she tries to railroad you into committing armed robbery and calls you a pussy if you decline
red flag #2

If it wasn't a JRPG and they didn't beat you over the head with the fact that she's a good guy, nobody would actually trust this girl.

>>385192017

Plus there was the whole "you had a dream where you stabbed this bitch" thing.

>>385192090
Oh, yeah that would be red flag #1 actually

Or the fact that she's a thief, that's #4

>>385191938
I don't think I ever used anyone in my end game party other then Glenn and Kid.

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How do you guys feel about the ending?

What I got from it is Serge lost his memory, Kid and Schala fused back together, and that Kid/Schala is looking for you, the player, in the real world. It feels meta as fuck but not in a good way, just weird and unsatisfying.

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>>385192219
>>385191938
Doc was cool. It's a shame he's a little redundant because Serge has all your Innate White needs covered for a while.

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>>385191394

>>385192516
POWERFUL

>>385192436

Could do without the weird speech from Schala about impregnating the planet or whatever.

>>385179780
I liked Sprigg the most because of her special ability. Nothing like having the enemies put up with all the bullshit I had to put up with when fighting those monsters to obtain them to begin with.

>>385192436
>Kid/Schala is looking for you, the player, in the real world
She needs to hurry the fuck up, I've been waiting.

I guess that means we the player are the "entity" they talk about in Trigger? I always assumed they were just talking about God or their abstraction of it.
>"It's as if this entity wants us to experience these events, to see them again for itself"
Yes that would be replaying the game for nostalgia, hi guys

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>Between 44 characters with 3 unique techs each, there are only 20 or so dual techs
>And only 2 triple techs
>And one of those triple techs requires Sprigg to change into one of the NG+ bosses

Has anyone ever used a dual tech in this game that isn't X-Strike?

>>385192801
I will always have a soft spot for Serge's ridiculous double-bladed boat oar weapon. There was a golden window of about 18 months circa 1999 where that shit was all the rage.

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Riddel is second best girl.

I was spoiled about the Dario fight to get the good ass swallow and Viper's 7 tech and boy oh boy was that hard as fuck. I assume it's normally a ng+ thing.
Thank fuck you can run away from the fight and just start it over as opposed to having to die and get a game over

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Does anyone actually use her?

>>385192950
Riddel is fucking gorgeous.

>>385193024

I brought her to Home Fort Dragonia once. That's it.

>>385193024
I had her in for a while. She has strong magic but that's about it. There's a lot of better options for innate white characters, and her level 5 and 7 techs are things you have to actually go out and find instead of just learning naturally.

>>385192889
Theres the Karsh and Zoah one

>>385192889
I will admit I only ever used X-strike

>>385179780
This game had so much potential to be so, so much better
>be able to use more party members in battle instead of just 3(2)
or
>less fucking party members with more character development
either would have really helped, and also not having to purposefully select wrong choices to obtain interesting party members or not miss cutscenes

>>385193328
3 Party members is OK, it makes the entire field-color system work properly, but your 2nd point would definitely have helped

>Cut the main cast down to 12, with 2 representatives of each innate element
We really don't need characters like Mojo and everybody knows it

>>385193328
A lot of stuff was cut due to budget, Guile was suppose to have a huge role with him being Magus but a lot of it was cut for example. Thank Square as in the ps1 days if you weren't a FF title they had no faith in you and gave you a shit budget.

>>385193647
I still like to think he is Magus/Janus but just lost his memory, making his past irrelevant.

> in the ps1 days if you weren't a FF title they had no faith in you and gave you a shit budget.
I'm still mad about Xenogears Disc 2

>>385193743
The team has literally said he is Magus, it isn't even debatable. Did you play the dreameater boss in the ds port of CT? In it Schala wipes Magus' memories in the hopes he can live a better life, this was what made him Guile.

>leave the village for the first time
>hear this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjjLyZa1U_8

hooked me right there

>>385193907
I like that his natural personality without having been raised by monsters is a glib, theatrical magician.

The only things that bug me about CC is they go a little overboard with the naval-gazing and "humans are assholes" rants.

seriously fuck the dwarves holy shit

>>385194197
Magus is edgy as fuck but his backstory is good enough to justify it at least. I don't care for him as a character but I like his backstory and his struggle with Schala is honestly interesting.

What could possibly possess a developer to retcon the end of their former, much beloved game to have everyone from that game die for no reason

>>385194284
I always viewed it as their excuse, but not what the actual writer thinks.

>>385179897
fpbp

>>385192801
>I guess that means we the player are the "entity" they talk about in Trigger?

Nah, "the entity" is the planet itself, this is hinted at in Trigger, but basically stated outright in Cross when they get to the part where they explain about Dinopolis getting warped in to do combat with Chronopolis.

>>385179780
>The amount of playable characters is a little overwhelming so I'm wondering if there's any consensus on "must have" characters or am I OK just winging it and recruiting whoever? I know there are a lot of ways to permanently miss certain characters.

I take it you haven't played Suikoden games?

>>385194327
Magus is a rare exception where a character with extremely edgy design and trappings works perfectly. Being orphaned in time by a giant space-tick and raised by monsters, and having your innate magical ability be shadow/black? There's no way to come out of that not looking edgy.

>>385182482
seriously one of the best songs in the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2K12JjKC8s

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>>385182758
Fact only three characters have steal is annoying as hell.

>>385194389
>Want to make a sequel
>But also want to branch away and not be too similar to its predecessor.

Alo they set it up that Serge inadvertantly undid the actions of Chrono and friends. I mean, it could have been done well and a neat twist if you actually played through it in the game instead of just dropping it as a part of Serge's past.

>>385194509
>I take it you haven't played Suikoden games?
My sister played them, I only played a little bit of Suikoden III. Honestly don't remember much about it.

>>385194389
tacked on name recognition. hell, strongest connection to trigger is the info dump in the last half hour or so.

>>385194389
The main writer of the Chrono series, Maso Kato, never really wanted to make a sequel. When he made Radical Dreamers he had no intention of linking it to CT, Square told him to.

With CC he kind of just threw a fuck ton of ideas together. He was actually the writer for the nes Ninja Gaiden games, some ideas he used from there are even recycled in CC.

When the main minds are gone and the lead writer jaded as fuck it's natural the game ended up the way it was.

>>385194641
and one of them isn't even available for a huge chunk of the game

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>>385179780
>mfw characters' weapons visually change as you get new ones

>wonder what Radical Dreamers is
>look it up
"The second game in the Chrono series, Radical Dreamers was a pseudo-sequel to Chrono Trigger. It was released in 1996 but was only available in Japan. In order to play the game one must first buy an add-on for the Super Famicom (the Japanese equivalent to the Super Nintendo). This device was called the Satellaview and it made it possible to download games via satellite onto a memory chip. Once saved, the games could be played at any time on the Super Famicom. No cartridges of Radical Dreamers were ever produced, and as a result the game is impossible to purchase now that the Satellaview service is discontinued. Now if one wishes to play the game he must emulate it on his computer."

oh OK I guess that makes sense

>>385195006
It's weird, in CT this happened with Crono but no one else.

>>385195006
This should always be the case
ALWAYS

>>385193631
>We really don't need characters like Mojo and everybody knows it
One joke character can be nice, two is pushing it. Cross has like 6.

>>385195141
Are you quoting a post? Also how did you not know of RD? I get not playing it but not knowing it?

>>385195234
I will admit I chuckled when I took him to the straw practice doll and he actually reacted to it

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>>385195201
It should, but Japanese character designers are in love with their work and god forbid something alters it. That's why I like when JRPGs go out of their way with that shit.

>>385194389
>Crono and co doomed an entire timeline and its people to non-existence.

I mean even if they were living shitty lives on a garbage dead planet destroyed by a space tick, that's still kind of a dick move.

>>385195258
I always thought it was a light novel or something, didn't know it was as obscure as a satellaview exclusive text adventure

>>385194835
It's just frustrating as hell. You go back and play Trigger and it just taints the experience.

>>385195357
Any action taken at any moment in time dooms an entire future full of people that might have existed to nonexistence. Holding that against Crono and pals is basically indicting the concept of time itself.

>>385192889
>only 20 or so dual techs

Ha, you wish
CC has 9 (nine) dual techs between all its fucking characters

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>>385195234
Depends on the game. Suikoden, for example, can get away with a lot more because each game has like ~70 characters usable in combat and doesn't even pretend to be balanced.

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>>385195439
>an entire Reptite timeline where Lavos never falls and they flourish for 65 million fucking years
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?

>>385195574
Wasn't there a reptite ending in Chrono Trigger? Where you never actually stop them in the past so the present day changes so that everyone are reptites?

>>385185426
7 and 8 came out on PC back in the day, and the Steam ports are based on those. 9 was only ported because of fan demand and it's a modified port of the Android version.

>>385195663
Yeah but it is more of a joke ending and not taken as serious. In it you see Crono as a reptite.

>>385195535
Would have been better if they didn't have any at all at that point. Having that few in the game just shines a light on how poorly fleshed out the characters are.

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>>385195736
>it's a modified port of the Android version
I'm pretty sure it came out before the Android version. At any rate, I don't see the point in these rereleases of classic PS1 JRPGs if they don't have the assets in higher resolution. I'd love to see all those games with their original high resolution backgrounds before compression destroyed them, but I doubt that'll ever happen.

>>385195820
Needed to for "muh connections to CT". Really should just have been it's own game.

>>385195935
I want to live there

>>385195768
>Yeah but it is more of a joke ending and not taken as serious.

Except that alt ending is incredibly relevant to the plot of Cross.
The 6 Dragons and the Terra Tower dungeon in CC come from that timeline.

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>>385194000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROKcr2OTgws

Im a bigger fan of another worlds theme. when I heard it I was sold instantly.

>>385196187
Where does the developer's room ending fit in?

>>385196187

Chrono Chross takes place in a timeline where literally every possible ending of Chrono Trigger happened while simultaneously NONE of them happened..

Is Harle a good character? I like her design.

>>385196316
>Chrono Cross is Morrowind
Maybe I'm being too kind, it's probably closer to Invisible War.

>>385196346
She's great, one of the best innate black element characters and there's no way to miss her. Has a big element grid and is very important to the story.

>>385196346
>>385196446
Also she's dead as fuck.

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>>385195967
>Really should just have been it's own game.

How the hell would CC work as its own game when the entire story hinges on CT's events and the good future it made?

>>385196346
I kinda find her overrated honestly.

I can barely understand a word shes saying too

>>385196316
So let me see if I have this right

>Crono and friends defeat Lavos
>humanity is not destroyed in 1999 and continues to thrive
>around 2400AD Belthasar builds Chronopolis research center for time shenanigans
>mistakes were made
>Chronopolis is sent into the distant past
>future-reptite capitol is also sent into the past
>they fight
>FATE supercomputer that controls it decides to quarantine Chronopolis
>terraforms it into the El Nido islands
>fast forward to ~1020AD
>events of Chrono Cross occur
yes?

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>>385195967
>tfw played Chrono Cross first as a kid thinking it was its own game until I knew how to use the internet

>>385196648
Sounds about right. CC is basically when Belthasar's plan goes into full force.

>>385196724
That's nothing, I jumped into Kingdom Hearts 2 before even playing the first one
actually in retrospect that might have made it less confusing

>>385196520
Also Schala's unresolved plot line, she's still missing after Trigger ends, is the most important thing about Cross.
The entire game is one fucking gigantic "just as planned" by Balthazar to separate her from the Time Devourer.

I haven't played CC but I'm not surprised if it's indeed bad as a sequel to CT. You can't really make a sequel to a game about time travel.

>>385196905
Andceven then her story doesn't end. She can never be with Serge and is trapped in our dimension.

>>385192436
Well, they get married at any rate. If it wasn't obvious enough that the portrait on the desk at the end was a wedding portrait, the artbook spells it out.

>>385196967
I would argue that CC is a great game, but a poor sequel. The meat and bones of a proper sequel are there but you can tell there were time and budget constraints that kept it from its full potential.

Literally the worst thing about CC is that it just casually informs the player that the comic relief character Dalton from the last game came back after being discarded like the nobody he was and killed the squad that utterly wrecked Lavos and all of Guardia in a relatively fast-paced war.

It's fucking dumb.

>>385196992
>>385197114

>>385196967
The set up is actually good.
CT leaves unresolved business to wrap up with Magus leaving to search fro his sister, and the player is never shown the new not destroyed future.

However, Kato decided to take these things and run them basically as far into left field as he could.
The new future is, with the exception of one facility, reserved for cut scenes only and Magus gets dropped from the story but you still find his sister anyway, because she fused with a new big bad that is even worse than Lavos, because you need to up the stakes in a sequel, and she needs to fall in love with the brand new MC in order to un-fuse her.
Yes seriously.

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>>385197306

Well he did outsmart the party that one time.

>>385197306
What lets him win that one is Lynx supplying his army with future tech from Chronopolis.
Magic was a big deal in Trigger, Crono and Marle being able to use magic would be a huge advantage for Guardia under normal circumstances, but Elements give the entire Porre military the same advantage.

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>>385179780
>I assume that means I'm locked out of recruiting the other potential guides?
Missed a great "boss fight" too.

I wonder if our planet has a Lavos in it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjnZlBQDgt4

you heard the sound before you clicked it, didn't you?

>>385197557
>1999 was 18 years ago

>>385197639
I've already made peace with the ever-increasing flow of time

What still gets me though is shorter-scale things like how the PS4 is almost 5 years old and it seems like this console generation just started.

>>385197523
>>385197509
>>385197306
>can't rename the Epoch to the Aero Dalton Imperial because the name is too long
shame
it's legitimately a better name

>>385197924
Because this console gen brought nothing new
The last revolutionary gameplay innovations happened in the early 2000s

>>385179780
The must play characters are the main characters. None of the side characters are worth the effort it takes to get them.

>>385196905
I don't recall schala's plotline being unresolved in Trigger, the implication is that she dies in the Ocean Palace if I remember right. All this business about her living was a retcon for the sake of cross.

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>>385197924
>the PS4 is almost 5 years old

>>385198210
I guess you're right, we're hitting diminishing returns in not just graphics but also gameplay. A lot of things got polished up in the last 10 years but nothing truly revolutionary beyond limited gimmicks like motion control and (maybe) VR

Back around 2000 they were still figuring out the transition into proper 3D so a lot of games came out with some really experimental shit. A lot of it didn't stick, like Cross's battle system, but there weren't any set standards yet.

>>385198279
Not exactly. Originally the Black Omen never rises, so then, how did Marle inherit Schala's pendant?

>>385198305
I exaggerated a little, it's coming up on the 4 year anniversary of its launch. It WAS announced 4 and a half years ago though.

>>385198279
>the implication is that she dies in the Ocean Palace if I remember right
Nah, she uses the last of her power to teleport everybody out and then gets absorbed into Lavos/the darkness between time.

At the end of the game if Magus is in your party Marle asks him if he's going to look for Schala, and he leaves without saying anything.

>>385197523
That doesn't make it a good idea to have a character you beat decisively kill all of your characters between games. Especially when they added a line in CT DS, where he explicitly tells Crono and crew that he's going to build an army in Porre to kill them, and yet when they get back home at the end, they don't bother to head down to Porre and kill his ass.

>>385198279

"Schala is alive" was always a big vidya rumor back before Cross happened.

>>385179780
90% of the cast is relatively equally shit, and you should only use the ones you like
The other 10% are only better if you jump through hoops to get whatever makes them good
Have at least one person of each base element on rotation, and avoid overusing the same weapon type, since you will have to buy more shit and can use fewer upgrades.
That's really it. Use the Luchador and the Dog if that makes you happy. It really doesn't matter much.

>>385198535
I kind of like that Dalton was able to get a cheap win. He probably used dirty tactics and subterfuge to split the gang up (and it was really just Crono and Marle honestly, with their magic). Otherwise Guardia in 1000AD was pretty peaceful and had no reason to have a large standing army or expect any kind of attack.

>>385198535
Well, he doesn't kill ALL the characters, in fact it's never explicitly stated that he kills any of them at all.
Lucca is killed by Lynx when he burns down her house
Crono and Marle go MIA when Guardia is attacked by Porre but it's never explicitly stated they die right then.
Robo is killed on screen in Cross when F.A.T.E. destroys the Prometheus Circuit, a fact that seems to go over a bunch of people's heads, probably because the scene is really poorly done.
Frog and Ayla live full lives in their respective time periods with Frog being a respected knight and Ayla fucking Kino's brains out every night.

>>385198279
She gets teleported through time to parts unknown the same as the three gurus and little boy Janus

>>385198851
Kino is a lucky man and I'm not sure if he deserves it.

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>>385198920

>>385199156
>Kino marries Ayla
>He likely lives out his life during a time when the global temperature began to cool, but wasn't yet full ice-age
>Temperate bounty all around him, lauded as a king and a hero, getting snu-snu'd by Ayla every night
>She literally cannot have enough babies
>As he finally grows old, they still have plentiful food and booze and the knowledge that the future of the human race is completely secure and your non-stop pounding of Ayla is largely responsible for this victory
>Can ride a Pterodactyl recreationally
Name a better life to live, I dare you

>>385199362
I don't want to be eaten by a fucking giant millipede

>>385199482
what about a giant millipede monstergirl

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>>385199713
Tempting but no

There are some characters that are just plain better than any others, but you wouldn't know it without a guide.

OP here
I got Glenn
that really sucked not helping Kid, but it's not like they had a good plan for me to help her anyway. "Oh, go halfway across the world and maybe you'll find this 1-in-a-Million antidote but probably not"

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>>385196346
I found her incredibly useful, cute, and kinda hot

you need to get to ng+3 to keep her in the party permanently

>>385199992
How does my boy Doc rate

>>385187495
How is Lynx not one of the best black?

>>385190096
>Why he assumes the shape of a girl is unknown.

Because to him the male shape is inherently more beautiful, and because he equates beauty with power then he must take a more beautiful form.

>>385200025
It's been a while since I've played but I remember getting Glenn and helping Kid at the same time

>>385200245

Someone else helps Kid for you

>>385200245
She rejoins you later even if you don't help her, so you can have Glenn and Kid at the same time. But in order to get Glenn, you have to not help her the first time.

Only thing I don't like is the environmental message that gets hammered in when it's not applicable to CT's planet.

>>385199992

I don't think CC is hard enough to warrant tierfaggotry. I took Skelly and Mojo along for the ride once just for shits and giggles.

>>385183718
Leena.
The alternate-universe one who actually appreciates you.

>>385199992
Also, because of the way stat gains work there's huge variance even in that.

>>385200025
I don't really remember the exchange with the doctor but I think he says something along the lines of it being near impossible to find "in this world"
Which makes it lees of a fool's errand for Serge to take on than the doctor thinks it is.

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>>385187495
>>Best Black

Nigga you forgetting Grobyc. Best black hands down.

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>>385200315

Hey, fuck you, humans are ruining the planet.

Now excuse me while I drive this smog-shitting tank over some fairies.

>>385200387
This.
You can win the game with literally any party, save for a boss or two in which you just need someone with good innates in a particular element, which can still be anyone from the list. Fuck, maybe you don't even need that, and I just needed it when I was a kid because I was shit.

>>385200580
>>385200315
Isn't all life from the human timeline tainted by Lavos interfering with evolution including those dwarves? Can't blame the planet for not being cool with that. I think only the draconian timeline is lavos free.

>>385200540
>the way stat gains work
I STILL haven't figured this shit out

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>>385200847
Yeah the reptite/dragonian timeline is the only one where Lavos never fell to Earth and they basically ruled it undisputed for 65 million years until the Time Crash (which is the fault of either Belthasar, Schala, Lavos, or all 3 - none of which are reptites)

Azala did nothing wrong

>All strategies I ever see for Criosphinx ignore the fact that you can spam the fuck out of trap elements and laugh like a madman the entire time

Fucking why.

>>385200712
It's really just about having a good variety of strong elements, and unless you're retarded you'll always have that

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>>385200847

I never asked to be evolved by a giant space hedgehog.

>>385179780
I'm still mad as fuck that this game killed my waifu Lucca.

>>385201905
Good taste

Was I the only retard that got stuck in Chrono Cross because I didn't know I had to go to the beach and use one of my inventory items? I remember being stuck for days as a kid.

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I loved this game back when it dropped, I was 16 when it came out. Only thing I still can't figure out after all these years is why Lynx just says fuck his goals after he finally gets Serges(arbiter) body and instead randomly starts to murder , rape pillage and savage the el nido islands

>>385201175
>tfw never bothered with traps my first few playthroughs

Stealing a ton of Black Holes, Tornadoes, and Volcanoes early from Tragediennes is fucking amazing holy shit.

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WHAT IS THE BEST FAN MADE SEQUEL THAT BRIDGES TRIGGER AND CROSS I NEED A FAST ANSWER

>>385202049
No, I also struggled with the key item thing a few times. Having to open a menu and select the item is one of those antiquated things I'm glad is mostly gone from RPGs now. Now if you have the item, it will prompt you to use it, and that's a good improvement.

>>385202151
I don't know if there is one
You can emulate Radical Dreamers but it's not really considered the proper bridge anymore and was just absorbed into the story of Cross

>>385179780
glenn can get duel einlazer which is awesome i beat the game with him surge, and the turnip thing

>>385202678
I'm running with Serge, Glenn, and Guile and can't see a single reason to switch things up

>>385201094
Can I recruit a reptile in this game?

>>385203336
Probably not in the way you're thinking. There is Draggy but he's not really the same race/thing

>>385203336
Yes, on a technicality since Harley is part of their dragon god

>>385194835
>The main writer of the Chrono series, Maso Kato, never really wanted to make a sequel. When he made Radical Dreamers he had no intention of linking it to CT, Square told him to.

Its got to suck being a creative guy like him only to realize your visions will always be at the mercy of the corporate higher ups. Reminds me of what happened with the MGS series.

>>385204312
I'm torn because I like CC and what it adds to the story but can also see that if they'd just left it alone with Trigger that might have been even better.

Horrible sequel, why was this made?

>>385179780
My only recommendation is Mojo since that motherfucker will have almost 70% dodge by the end of the game.

>>385204703
Because Kato thought he could have done better when he made Radical Dreamers.

https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Weekly_Famitsu.html

>>385204703
There was demand for a sequel and it just so happened to be developed during the era of Square where
>the RPG formula was being heavily experimented with
>most budget was being directed towards final fantasy

>>385204836
He does apparently have the highest evasion of any character

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I liked the mermaid

>>385200580
>laughingwhores.jpg

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>>385205006
she's pretty cute.
She ended up being one of my few blue innate characters because I missed a couple at the start of the game. I got her and Fargo. I still have some ways to go in the game though so hopefully I can find some more to use this frog prince summon

>>385205006
>>385205339
oh and I forgot about Marcy because she comes with the story.

>>385204312
>Reminds me of what happened with the MGS series.

to be fair, MGS2 ended with a lot of questions that needed to be answered. At least MGS4 made Raiden not shit and paved the way for MGR

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OP here again
I'm on the Ghost Ship now

I've played enough JRPGs to know that this section is going to be frustrating bullshit so if there is some secret to getting off this boat ASAP I would very much appreciating being spoiled on it.

Any time in a JRPG you find yourself
-Imprisoned without your gear
-In a sewer
-On a boat
There is always a bullshit gimmick involved that I'll have to look up anyway

WHICH CHARACTER AM I IMITATING

>>385195554
>the five blacksmiths are terrible fighters
>they have a Unite attack
>it's just as bad as they are
But you CAN do it and that's part of why I love Suikoden.

>>385205439
ZOAH

>>385205438

You just run to one end of the boat to pick up a key, then to the other end.

>>385205419
>to be fair, MGS2 ended with a lot of questions that needed to be answered.

But this was the intention Kojima had the whole time. He wanted his series to end like this. I'm not saying it is the right way to go but I thought MGS4 was the absolute biggest piece of shit for a game and it is easily the most overrated game I've played.

I will however say that considering the fan reaction and how much of a cash cow the series is Kojima should have just went the money direction and pumped out Solid Snake games for 2 and beyond. Clearly that is what people wanted.

>>385205438
save the pirates and talk to them until you find one with a key
it's random which one has it so have fun
also everything black element because they're ghosts so Serge will just destroy them.
Which you should do because the skeleton drop shit tons of iron for crafting gear. If iron gear is still good for you at this point I don't fully remember when you get the next tier

>>385205557
It doesn't matter if it was intended if the intention results in a shit product.
You do not have a story that is concluded with critical questions unanswered. The audience will, rightly, continue to demand a conclusion.

>>385205631
Iron gear is still good or at least upgrading my less-used characters, thanks anon

>>385205662
>if the intention results in a shit product.

In your opinion you fucking fag. MGS2 is the highest rated game in the series that is canon. Plenty of stories end open ended with questions unanswered you stupid autist. The MGS fanbase seems to be the only one that is this super autistic about it.

>>385205934
>Plenty of stories end open ended with questions unanswered
No good ones.

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Please don't contaminate this thread with MGS shitposting

>>385205934
>MGS2

speaking of shitty sequels

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>>385206037
>>385206032
oh no

>>385206024
>>385206037
Just forget about MGS. This is a Chrono Cross thread.

>>385206316
true.

If Lynx was my dad things would be different around here.

>>385183540
>>385187331
This part was so fucking good, the atmosphere of the dead sea and time crash ground zero was monstrously thick. Pure kino imo.

>>385179780
Yes you must have Serge.

>>385179780
Harle is the best character in the game. Anybody who thinks otherwise is clearly misinformed or injecting personal preference into objective truth.

>>385206638
what's funny is that for part of the game that's actually not true

>>385206712
Well so far she has the most votes for best girl

>>385183718
HARLE
A
R
L
E

All the time travel and shit really confused me as a kid

Should I go back and play it again since I have no understanding of what the story was

>>385206715
I really wish you got to keep the scythe after the first battle when playing as Lynx

>>385206841
Yes, you should be able to understand it now. It's worth going back.

>>385206783
She also has the best grid, great techs, above average stats in everything and the 2nd highest magic stat behind Riddel.

>>385206841
>Should I go back and play it again since I have no understanding of what the story was

all I managed to get was that it completely shat all over Trigger and the ending was a "you won" screen

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>>385183718
Is that even a question? Harle is best girl
But Riddel is pretty good too

>>385207072
Shouldn't have underestimated Dalton

Friendly reminder that the only bosses you should have trouble with on a first playthrough (assuming you aren't guidefagging) are Miguel and Dario. Anything else and you are a shitter.

>>385207643
He was established as a joke character, why should I not underestimate him

>>385207754
>joke character
>survives everything and even gets one over on your party once, capturing and imprisoning you
>outright tells the party he is going to create an army to kill them
>they do nothing
He also had help

>>385207754

Because for all his idiocy he still managed to get the drop on the CT party a few times.

>>385207862
He's also one of the few people after the Fall of Zeal that is still able to use magic, which is a huge advantage.

Is there a guide for which of the gorillion companions are actually story important, have quests associated with them and unique dialogues?

>>385208292
Most of the really story-important ones will join you automatically at one point or another, but yes there are all kinds of in-depth guides out there for recruiting people.

>>385208372
Can you link decent one?

>>385208425
This should be a good enough starting point.

http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/psx/cc/characters.shtml

When you meet a character that you can recruit, it's usually really obvious. From there you just look up what their techs are and how to get them to join.

As for sidequests and unique dialogue, they all have a little bit of something. Some are pretty obscure but you can always just look up the character specifically and find out. Most of the sidequests and character growth are related to getting them a unique weapon or a tech skill.

>>385208716
Thanks.

>All of them have something
Jesus fuck my OCD

>>385208759
You keep all the people you recruited on your first playthrough in a NG+ and the game is pretty short, so don't worry about it too much

>>385208842
Even still, my OCD already hurts from thinking about it. I hate when I can't 100% shit in one playthrough.

>>385209138
Oh, then it's going to be painful for you. You're gonna have to learn to let go.

Though a lot of the extra dialogue is just window-dressing and pretty obvious, like taking Glenn to his house with him in the front of your party (yes party placement is also important for triggering certain things, enjoy)

>>385209138
You must hate Persona

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>>385209280
>(yes party placement is also important for triggering certain things, enjoy)

>>385209357
You can 100% every single Purseowner in one playthrough with exception of P1 and PQ, try harder. Those were tame.
You know what's hell? Doing all 3 routes in SMT2. THAT'S HELL.

>>385209472
>You can 100% every single Purseowner in one playthrough with exception of P1 and PQ
Yeah but only really if you're using a guide, which for me kind of ruins the whole point of a Persona game

I feel you though. I don't like when people say "oh you can get it on NG+" either

>>385209629
>Yeah but only really if you're using a guide
Anon, there's spoiler-free SLink/activity guides for FES, P4, P4G and P5 on Gamefaqs.
That's what I used.

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Chrono Cross was pretty good, it had a lot of great memorable music like Trigger did.

I just don't like the overabundance of characters. It reduces the grip on the story for me because many characters lack backstories and are shallow outside of their 10-15 minute recruitment questlines.

>>385209670
Nah I don't mean spoilers, I mean a guide will tell you "on July 17th you must talk to ___ and eat food at ___" when for me the whole fun of a Persona game is just doing whatever you want

that's why P5 pissed me off that fucking cat would never let me do anything

>>385209867
The cast really should have been cut in half

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my dick loved her

I actually got leanna cause I went with my mc thinking why should he trust this person, he doesn't know her or should trust her. She has some ulterior motive. Nah forget you kid.

Wake up and have leanna join me, a girl who was to be my wife. Yes please join me

>>385210441
Official stats
>Career: Gladiatrix Barkeep
>Age: 23
>Height: 5'5"
>Weight: 119lbs
>Build: MUSCULAR
unf

>>385210579
You made the right choice since you'll get Kid later anyway but that's the only chance to get Leena

and yeah why would Serge trust her anyway? If she was a fat old man he wouldn't trust her. Why did she know when to show up to save him? Why does she know he's a ghost?

>>385210715
Made it sound like she knew what was going on and by not telling me she has another agenda that could be detrimental to my returning home

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I couldn't help myself
What's your element /v/?

http://www.strawpoll.me/13538034

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I LOVE SCHALA KID ZEAL!

>>385211379
oi m8 I'm schala's daughter-clone and the baby with the amulet from CT's ending cutscene ya daft cunt

>>385211584
I loathe late arrival spoilers.Would rather not ruin the experience for anyone who hasn't played the series.

>>385210984
Yeah if you ever end up in a parallel world where everybody thinks you're dead, and some stranger comes up and says "I know all the answers, follow me" that should be a warning sign

>>385212461
Seriously, just tell me first. I'm in a strange earth so give me something to trust you

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This guy was always a mainstay in my party.

>>385212750
>the game actually rewards this line of thinking and gives you Leena and Poshul (if you didn't get Poshul earlier)
It's these kinds of things CC does well

>>385211584
Probably one of the biggest oversights in the plot is that Serge only survives one of his near death encounters because Kid travels back in time to save him, but this happens, from Kid's perspective, after the game finishes so the player never sees her do it and it seems like a plot hole instead.

>>385213013
Unfortunately it continues rewarding you for making wrong choices later on, long past the point where they stop making any sense

>>385213501
I think having Serge undergo two separate near death experiences as a child was a poor choice. They should have consolidated the two into one. The game focuses so heavily on the panther thing that the actual timeline split feels tacked on.

>>385213975
Can't argue with that
they dangle Glenn in front of you then lock him behind the non-heroic choice

>>385179780
So is this game worth playing or what? I keep getting mixed messages about it, and I started it but I also started BoF4 at the same time and enjoyed that more so I dropped this.

>>385202151
I guess that'd be FoE.

>>385215505
Yeah it's worth playing, and it's not too long or difficult either

>>385194567
You'll probably never see this post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD-ZHOE3LEM

Have tissues ready.

>>385215505
Finish BoF4 first.

Come back to CC if you have nothing else to play.
The game is kind of a mess story wise, although it had some good mechanical ideas