>the game is fun, if it's not fun why bother Why did

>>385154841

Mostly because he followed that with no fun games and only announcements for 2020 or later.

>>385154841
It triggers people who cant handle that graphics or cinematic movie games are shit and or not important.
Its also a meme on /v/ to hate Nintendo and anything they do or say regardless of the context.

>>385154841
Only Sonybros are triggered.

>>385154841
What is the objective definition of fun?

>>385154841
Reggie thinks that games that are fun, mostly Nintendo's, gets a free pass even though they're not good games.

>>385154841
it triggers normalfags. example overwatch - they get burned out, get their mains nerfed, they are butthurt, mad, inject politics into everything etc etc. videogames were a mistake.

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>>385155080
>No fun games
>Literally Kirby and Yoshi in the same prrsentation

>>385154841
Because everyone watching lost the game
Just like you did right now

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>>385155343
>Game is fun
>It isnt good

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>>385155153
>he still plays with baby toys

>>385154841
Because immediately after he announced zero fun games.

It's triggering for the same reason those videos of him talking about how awful DLC is are triggering. Because he's a dumb hypocrite nigger.

>>385155403
That's the point, nintendo games are mostly about FUN, which is a rare thing nowadays

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>>385155548
you mean amiibos?
never touched the stuff.

>>385154841
Some people think watching girls eat their own feces is fun. Does that mean everyone should?

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>>385155589
>>385155080
i can't imagine how cynical you fuckers must be to think odyssey doesn't look even the least bit fun

>>385154841
Yeah, but fun is subjective.

>>385155681
Why does this fucking trigger me

>>385154841
Because there are more important factors to video games than fucking "lel it's fun!"

This retarded way of thinking is what holds the industry back.

>>385155772
Such as?

>>385155712
It's yet another Mario rehash but with empty outdated collectathon gameplay.

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>>385155772
>making sure that games have enjoyable gameplay is holding the industry back

>>385155772
Why else would you play a game other than enjoyment? The only other reason Id play a game is maybe for a good story, but then I dont know if you can count visual novels as games.

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>>385155749
It pokes a hole in the "mature games for mature gamers" argument that /v/ likes to throw at Nintendo fans direction. In reality anyone can play any game they fucking please.

>>385155862
>rehash

there's that word again. if this was new super mario bros. again i'd agree with you but a mario game in this style hasn't been made in almost 15 years.

>>385154841
>The game is fun.

I'm honestly surprised that /v/ hasn't memed the shit out of this sentence more.

Like, no shit reggie

Because it felt like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHdgRufNSR8#t=2s

>>385155772
If anything is the opposite, most games nowadays are focusing too much on the details and secondary aspects than focusing on the basics and on the core of making a fun game.

>>385155772
such as baing le esports competitive xD Kappa

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>>385154841
>"if its not fun why bother?"
>raiding for 6 months
>not fun because my guild sucks
>really good at the game, so keep playing
>still not fun even when in one of the best guilds
why bother indeed, reggie

>>385156032
at this point the word 'rehash' has been memed so hard it now means it's another game of an existing franchise

>>385155862
Yeah but that new Spider-Man game for the PS4 is so new and original right? Totally not a rehash of previous ones, right?

>>385154841
Because Nintendo doesn't make many games, and at least half of them aren't fun.

>>385156316
It looks fun.

>>385154841
I feel like it only triggered imaginary people in /v/'s head

>>385156417
You know what else looks fun? This *unzips dick*

>>385155921
>playing video games just for enjoyment
Literally a child's mentality.

>>385154841
Games don't have to be fun to be great games because fun is a meme buzzword that means nothing.

>>385156316
Nigga we wish that was a rehash of Spiderman 2 or Ultimate.

>>385156032
It's Mario game #47689076. Don't you people get sick of these games? What's left to do with Mario that hasn't been done already? Regardless, Odyssey looks underwhelming. Empty flat levels, hat gimmick that has nothing to do with platforming, bland art style. None of the gameplay footage looks fun or interesting.

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>>385156543
Only a child would feel the need to validate his own personal enjoyment as anything else but entertaining.

Sony: No company can beat our Presentation.

Nintendo: Hold my beer

(Nintendo wins E3)

Sony: No company can reveal even more games and have gameplay with it!

Nintendo: reeb ym dloh

(Nintendo becomes ruler of video games)

Sony:No company can have beautifull games on less powerful hardware

Nintendo: beer my hold

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>>385156543
so you're not allowed to play a game just for enjoyment without being considered a child?
that sounds like some nazi shit, why must a person play a game seriously to be taken as an adult? aren't we all manchildren here anyways?

>>385156543
No seriously, what fucking else do you play games for? If I want anything else Id go to another hobby. I'd practice a new language, work on my art more, or maybe meet new people for other things like "fulfillment or satisfaction" The only reason to play a game is LITERALLY enjoyment.

>>385156631
>Games don't have to be fun to be great games
Name one great game that isn't fun

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>>385155153
I think games with impressive graphics / a cinematic focus can co-exist with games whose focus is game play and challenge. Both provide a valuable, yet different experience.

There's no "correct one way" to make a game, just like there's no "correct one way" to make a movie, or write a book, or paint a painting.

>what are games that evoke sadness, despair or horror to players
So, you shouldn't bother with them? Not all games need to be "fun".

>>385156316
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Because videogames are a medium, not a toy.
It's like Dr. Seuss saying books should be fun and full of pictures and drooling retard manbabies aggreeing and saying that no one should bother with reading Moby Dick instead.

>>385156702
(You)

>>385156873
Papers Please
Gone Home
Journey
Lisa
The Last of Us

>>385154841
Because it's indirect criticism of Sony and their games

It hurts sony fans' feelings.

>>385156873
Silent Hill 2

>>385156869
Literally all those things you listed can be done via video games.

It's this narrow-minded approach of "if a video game isn't fun it's useless" that leads to thought processes like yours, crippling this industry.

>>385154841
>if a movie isn't fun why bother
>leaving out drama's, horror, war films, a massive amount of artistic beauty
People dont want something to be fun (necessarily) They want it to be engaging.

There, i answered for you, never ask a stupid question again.

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>>385154841
>Why did this quote trigger so many people?
It's the state of modern fucking gamers. It's pretty embarrassing.

>>385157106
>Journey
>Lisa
>The Last of Us
>Papers Please
These are all fun games
>Gone Home
You are correct about it not being fun, but are incorrect about it being 'great'.

>>385157157
This is also a fun game.

>>385156873
Monster Hunter

>>385157106
>Papers Please
Not a good game. A novel one sure, but not great
>Gone Home
Not a game, not great.
>Journey
Beautiful game, not fun to play nor a particularly engaging story. You cant even lose in it. Not a great game
>Lisa
Was fun for me. I like RPGs.
>Last of Us
Not a great game

>>385157228
/thread over

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>>385157145
Who doesn't think Sony games are fun? Probably Nintendo fans.
Who doesn't think Nintendo games are fun? Probably Sony fans.

People get triggered because Reggie is saying literally nothing. It's a sales slogan, it's meaningless because there's no objectivity behind it. People who were predisposed to agree with what he's saying will agree with him, otherwise he might as well be saying "If the sky isn't blue, why bother?"

Marketing 101, and pretty blatant at that.

>released star fox zero, paper mario no rpg, amiibo festival
hmmm

>>385157228
then is it a game or just a generic piece of interactive media

"game"

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>>385157228
One of the definitions of fun means something that is enjoyable. You enjoy something because it's engaging. Fun doesn't exclusively mean bing-bing-wahoo and lively colors only.

>>385157106
>Journey
>The Last of Us
>not fun
Three quarters of TLoU isn't fun, but after that it is and NG+

>>385157351
>Gone Home
>not a game
such a weak meme

>>385157351
Not a great argument.

>>385156702
You can make this same argument for literally any other game.

>Monster Hunter World
It's Monster hunting game #47689076. Don't you people get sick of these games? What's left to do with Monster hunting games that hasn't been done already? Regardless, World looks underwhelming. Empty flat levels, open world gimmick that has nothing to do with hunting, bland art style. None of the gameplay footage looks fun or interesting.

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>>385154841
/v/ hates fun

>>385155403
Most of Robobot was boring and easy as fuck. The only challenge was the true arena, which isn't unlocked until you grind through the game again as Meta Knight.

The music was pretty good though.

>>385157637
Not a great post

>>385157556
I like how you took what he said, but said it in a stupid way. People want things to be engaging, gotcha

Does it trigger people? I liked Reggies little speech. It communicated a simple but effective message about the aim of Nintendos design.

>>385157703
/thread

>>385157106
>Gone Home
Not so subtle bait.

>>385156629
And this is why we should let pedophiles fuck children.

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>>385157106
>>385157592
>>385157637

>>385157804
What does "fun" in this context mean? Is Super Mario "fun" the same as Metro is "fun"? Or what about Silent Hill "fun" or Metal Gear Solid "fun"?

This is the perfect example of how "fun" is now nothing more than a buzzword. It means literally nothing without context.

>>385158025
Super neato gif there, i rate it a solid 6/10
definitely is a gif

>>385155403
>Yoshi
>fun

>>385158167
triggered homo. Gone Home is shorter than a single life in a shitty flash platformer.

>>385156316

Spider-Man is cool, tho. Mario isn't.

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>>385157759
He's saying people want engagement but not necessarily fun. I'm saying that's wrong and redundant because engagement is a form of fun.

>>385156514

It's actually pretty funny. Haha.

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>>385158119
It always means one of these things.

>>385156631

This. Fun is subjective. Saying a game is fun is not a valid way to support it. You have to say why it's fun.

>>385158498
So if a thing is entertaining, it's fun. Cool. Literally anything sold in the world is entertaining to someone or it wouldn't be sold anymore.

"Fun" means nothing.

>>385158498
Literal meme definitions.

>>385156629
I`M POLITICAL
YOU`RE POLITICAL
EVERYONE`S POLITICAL

Fun is subjective but beyond that there can be elements of games that aren't fun but still engage me, I don't watch a sad drama because it's fun but that doesn't mean I'm not getting anything out of it.

I enjoyed Pathologic and The Void
Those are NOT fun games, but I still enjoyed them.
But the games that are not fun but still enjoyable is a very small niche.

>>385158637
Just because a word has broad contextual meaning doesn't mean it means nothing. That's an ass-backwards logical jump.

>>385158963
You enjoyed them, therefore you had fun. Regardless or not of whether you would describe it as that, it fits the definition.

>>385158979
So what did Reggie mean? Sell me on Nintendo. Because he was just blowing hot air with that sentence to me.

because retards are still stuck on the games should be art horseshit games should be legally art but only so the government leaves them alone

>>385156964
Games with impressive graphics/cinematic focus should still be fun and have a minimum care for gameplay and not treat it as a nuisance the devs have to include. There is no "correct way" but there's some obvious priorities if you want to achieve a degree of quality.

>>385159056
I was frustrated the entire time I was playing it. I had to force myself to complete them.
I did not have fun during the game, I just enjoyed the experience only in the afterthought.

>>385157705
>playing Kirby games for the challenge
????

>>385159096
He means that video games should be enjoyable, so if you enjoy it it's fun. As in, why would you play a game if you don't enjoy it in some form?

The problem is that some people are interpreting that as "the video game must be objectively fun", which doesn't exist. Nintendo apparently overestimated the intelligence of their audience because no one who isn't autistic would ever interpret that statement as a reference to objective fun, something that doesn't exist, as opposed to stating that the entire purpose of videogames is entertainment.

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>>385159271
>I just enjoyed the experience only in the afterthought.

>>385159394
Exactly, you should never even play Kirby games, casual trash for nu-male beta cucks mouthbreather manchilds

>>385159271
If you enjoy the memory of the game, you enjoy the game.

>>385156702
>hat gimmick that has nothing to do with platforming

You can literally use the hat as a platform.

>>385159550
So literally any game sold is fun. Why would he say such an empty meaningless phrase? Does he think people are stupid and would go out of their way to not have fun? Really kind of a waste of breath if not outright retarded to say.

>>385159652
what if im a 30 year old man who enjoyed gone home because i legitimately thought it was cute following a young lesbian couple?

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>>385155080

>>385159635
>Nu-male
>Mouthbreather
>Manchild
>Beta
You gotta pick one to whine about hambeast.

Reminder that reggie's idea of "fun" is some shit like 1-2 switch while jabbing some other playstation game

>>385154841
Because "fun" is a relative term. For some people even pressing 1 button is fun, for others it's just fucking stupid and boring. It's just a word that people using to describe things they don't understand. He can't just say "this game is so dumbed down, so that everyone can play it" because marketing.

>>385156629
the problem with his post is that he equates "portraying" with "supporting". If a game or story shows a character being a thief and getting away with it, doesn't mean the game is telling a message on how thievery is good or bad.
Though to be fair, people of all kinds make this mistake. Showing a gay person does not mean the devs are telling that being gay is good or bad, not that /v/ will ever admit it.
And to be doubly fair, most games that do show lgbtasdf people are obviously doing it from a political angle, see mass effect for an example so blatant even actual faggots complained about it.

When you start to believe that not doing a thing is as bad as doing a thing, you start entering the thought police territory.

>>385158349
You know what else is cool? This *unzips dick*

>>385157445
and yet this thread proves you wrong.

>>385157228
>artistic
>games
and this is why this statement triggers people
they want games to be "art"

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>>385154841
Because by fun he means "a shitty casual game to babysit your 5 year old"

>>385158119
>Is Super Mario "fun" the same as Metro is "fun"? Or what about Silent Hill "fun" or Metal Gear Solid "fun"?

All of these games are fun as fuck, even if you ignore the story, horror, and other elements beyond gameplay.
how can you not have fun in these games? Are you autistic?

>>385157168
Why would you play a fucking video game to learn a new language or practice art? Even reading from a textbook would be more efficient practice than playing a fucking video game.

Face it, there is no reason to play video games besides enjoyment.

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>>385155979
>>385155749
>>385155681


This is stupid. Most of the people on this board played 3 or vice city when there were barely 14.
Playing a game marketed at kids in your 20s is a different story.

>>385161295
The point is that saying "games should be fun" is fucking pointless and retarded because everybody is going to find their own fun in different games.

>>385154841

What bothers ME about it is that Reggie doesn't know shit about games, it's all just marketing talk. In fact, all of the company owners we know by name are all basically a bunch of suits, except maybe Iwata and maybe Kaz from Sony.

There are some games that are not about having fun

whats so hard to understand about this? not every game has to be a "WAHOO" "1-UP" "BING BING" arcady videogamey type of game

i wanna play story and movie games from time to time aswell

and i love games like devil may cry 3 and god hand but i also understand that videogames as a medium can be anything nowadays and i like that idea

if every game was either just gameplay or story centered things would get boring quickly

>>385157106
>Papers Please
This is fun.
>Gone Home
This is not great nor a game.
>Journey
This is not great.
>Lisa
This is fun.
>The Last of Us
This is not great.

then why did they make star fox zero?

>>385159770
>Does he think people are stupid and would go out of their way to not have fun?
People are stupid, and do, in fact, go out of their way to not have fun.

For an extreme example, see any sort of exploit that ruins a game, like a glitch that makes you invincible. People will abuse it and the complain that the game is boring, not realize that they're the ones that ruined the game for themselves.

Or the people who can't help but spend hours grinding and then go on to say that every game that you can grind is easy, when you can just not grind (fire emblem fans are specially guilty of this, FE 8 is considered shit just because of that).

>>385155681
No, I mean video games.

>>385161450
>There are some games that are not about having fun
Such as? Because nearly everyone who has argued this has just shown they have some ultra pretentious definition of fun.

>>385161735
games like Myst or The witness

or horror games

visual novels mostly

>>385154841
fun doesn't mean anything.

>>385157705
You gotta have room temperature iq to think you’re gonna have a challenge when playing Kirby games.

>>385161894
But puzzle and horror games ARE fun.
And visual novels aren't games.

>>385162086
i could see game journos having difficulty problems with the new kirby games

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>>385154841
Because people are afraid of having fun as adults.

>>385162516
okay then mate

in danganronpa a visual novel game there are tiny gameplay sections ergo its a videogame

and puzzle/adventure games are visual novels with puzzles

so visual novels by your deffinition are actually videogames


also fun is subjective so you cannot even rate it

i never had any fun playing silent hill but to each their own

>>385156873
Rule of Rose, the sotry and ost is top fucking notch but the fucking combar is SHIT and not fun at all

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Because this is neo/v/

>>385156873
deadly premonition one of my most favorite games of all time isnt that right Zach?

>>385158319
Yoshi's Island is unironically the best platformer ever made.

>>385164072
*Super Meat boy

ftfy

>>385154841
Because /v/ shits on Nintendo 24/7.

>>385157705
if you need extreme challenge to have fun in your games, then maybe you shouldnt be playing nintendo games
hell, maybe you shouldnt be playing 75% of video games

>>385163628
Rule of Rose fucking blows. It's a perfect example of terrible gameplay ruining something potentially good.

>>385154841
Is Silent Hill 2 "fun"? Certainly not one of the words I would use to describe the game.

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>>385155403
>kids games

>>385164141
cringe

>>385156873
Killer 7

>>385155749
Because you miss what the boy is feeling

>>385154841
>the game is fun, if it's not fun why bother
>Why did this quote trigger so many people?
Made sense to me. Why bother playing a particular game if I'm not going to enjoy myself or find entertainment from it in some manner? Even educational games, if done right, can be fun. I don't see what everyone is getting up in arms about?

>>385164217
iam cringing at your for even putting that dumbass yoshi game anywhere near the title "best platformer ever" fuck off super meat boy is literally the best platformer ever made

>>385164141
>Muh trial and error gameplay.
I liked Meat Boy better when it was called IWBtG
Seriously though it's a fun timewaster, but anything the relies on slippery controls to provide a challenge doesn't deserve the title. Not to mention SMB just isn't very appealing in the audio or visual department, and the level design itself is actually kind of boring for the most part.

>>385155153
Wii ruined nintendo for me. DS too. I'm surprised they haven't jumped on the VR bandwagon yet.

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Reminder that this is Reggie's idea of a "great game". Would you trust a man who praised this?

>>385164363
you're both wrong. SMG2 is the best platformer.

>>385164424
dude if you seriously suck that much at platformers to call super meat boy trial and error then you deffinitly are not the right person to even rate platforming games

like by your standards fucking crash bandicoot is probably also trial and error just

maybe some shadow stages later on but if the game controls perfectly and you can see what is going to kill you in this stage then wouldnt it be simply your fault for dying? yes it would because you fucking suck

>>385163797
His post is correct within the context he stipulated. Shit is also a buzzword, and his post applies to the retards that call something shit without explaining why it's shit.

>>385164190
It is. It's just not 'going down the playground slide yelling "weeeee!"' fun. Its thrilling, spooky, scary, intense and provocative fun.

>>385164213
>kids games
all games are for children. adults play with rocks and watch cinema

>>385164424
>super meat boy
>slippery controls

did you play it on a keyboard? the game literally tells you always before you start it that its designed to be played with a controler
seriously super meat boy has 100% tight controls

>>385164470
smg2? what game?

>>385154841
sonyfags don't like the truth even though they have plenty fun games.

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>>385164896

>>385155080
>Mostly because he followed that with no fun games and only announcements for 2020 or later.
Why did this quote trigger so many people?

He's completely right

>>385165102
oh just played galaxy 1

it was fine i had fun

guess iam more the type of guy who enjoys basic and challenging platforming

its why i also prefer crash 1 over the other 2 in the trilogy

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>>385164689
at first glance it still remains hilarious but yeah it does make sense. Saying something is "good" or "fun" is explaining the endpoint. The idea is describe what, mechanically, makes it fun and how that mechanic is leveraged I.E.

>rayman legends is good because its fun
>rayman is good because it delivers polished, mechanically deep platforming in a alluringly animated package. I had fun because the music is very rhythmic, and the levels are designed with exploration in mind, as opposed to the speedier platformers currently dominating the market of which I am not a fan.

>>385164190
It's entertaining, and entertaining us a synonym of fun.

>>385155080
You ought to make a career out of being I'll informed

>>385165161
who was actually triggered by the thing in the first place? do people actually get triggered by shit like this?

>>385165240
Exactly. You got it. Reaction to his post would have been a lot better if he mentioned the opposite end of the spectrum at the time.

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>>385154841
If anyone thinks games are "deep" and don't consider gameplay to be the top priority then maybe they should rethink their hobby.

>inb4 but games can have great stories instead!
Ghost Trick has a amazing plus great gameplay among other things, these things don't need to ruin the core gameplay but rather work around it.

>>385165413
By /v/ definition you were triggered enough to reply.

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You don't need anything but gameplay to enjoy and have fun with a game. Anyone telling you that a game needs fancy graphics and a deep story is lying to you.

>>385155341
Fun is a subjective experience anon

>>385154841
because people love the story of things like The Last of Us but know deep down that it isn't fun to play so seriously why bother

should just make that kind of shit into a movie

>>385165524
i want to fuck pikachu

ever since as a kid i wanted to fuck pikachu

i literally had a pikachu plush as a kid that i would go to bed with every night and tell him how much i loved him and if he was real i would abandon my family to go life with him in some cave nearby or something i wouldnt mind pikachu being my soul mate heck i would do anything for him

watching the anime i was always so fucking jealous of ash because he had his own pikachu

and i was actually legitmatly mad that ash didnt fuck his pikachu or that it was never brought up
like dude you have the hottest and most cutest pokemon ever and you are not gonna fuck it? i would become even more mad when he would misthread his pikachu espiacly in the first episode i always wanted to punsh ash in the face and just take his pikachu away from him where he would have it much better with me as his new pokemon master

so yeah i really really really really really like pikachu

his red cute cheeks

his cute black eyes

his soft pointy ears

his tail

i just really really really wanna fuck pikachu madly

do you know that palcomix comic about ash turning into a pikachu and fucking his own pikachu? the one where they would say "cuuuuuuuum" all the time? i fapped to that shit religiously when i was 14-16 i still fap to it from time to time even to this day because its the only comic that perfectly captures my feelings about pikachu

like if there was a person right now who would hand me a knife and tell me that i would have to kill someone to have my own pikachu i would do it without thinking about it

>>385164743
>seriously super meat boy has 100% tight controls
He controls like he's made out of a chunk of meat.
Because he is.

>>385164609
I enjoy Crash Bandicoot, actually.
Though, Crash also suffers from some levels having sections that just don't really work in 3D, which honestly is where a lot of the "bullshit" in Crash stems from.
They aren't super hard games, though.

Also, saying "lol you suck" as a refute is kind of the reason not a lot of people like SMBfags.

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>>385166058
You okay anon?

Xenoblade is Nintendo's only worthwhile IP and they continue to ruin it more with each installment.

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>>385166397
>ruined

>>385166304
just had to tell this to someone its been a thing so much for me and telling this to strangers online feels good

i know how fucking weird it is but really i was doomed from the start i already saw simba as hot the first time i watched the lion king and always had a thing for the fox in robin hood
i was fucking 9 or 10 at the time and i was gay for furries already

there was just never any hope left for me

dont ever let your kids play doctor with other males thats litteraly the time of your live where your fetishes develop and those disney movies always had hot furry girls in them but when i used to play dick pirate with my friends i was already in the early gay zone so of course instead of being into the female furries in those movies like other kids i would always turn to the male ones

>>385166240
git gud is literally all i can tell you mate

smb controls 100% tight

maybe you just couldnt get into it or played it with a keyboard then

or maybe you just dont like platformers? no wonder you prefer yoshi over every other platformer game because that game is easy as fuck

>>385166564
Yes, ruined. Now that NoA is working directly with Monolith to impose localization changes, not even those that bother to learn Japanese will get the untainted version.

>>385155749

Because its basically comparing us gamers to 12 years olds who enjoy the same useless shit

>>385164182
It has an interesting story and a great soundtrack what are you talking about anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WIEC2R6x5U
I do agree that the combat kinda ruined the game tho

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>>385166564
>game continues to get more cinematic and casual with every installment
>hide it with disgusting sex fanservice
>"GOTY XD"

>>385161450
>if videogames were an interactive fun media all the time it will get boring

>>385155080
Cept all of them before 2019 but then again I'm not a retard

>>385154841
Everyone seemed to agree with what he had to say, but the majority of actual "gamers" were just pissed because the guy saying it was very hypocritical, given the context of how Reggie is and has been the last few years.