How does such a shit company create the best multiplayer

Developer freedom. This didn't become a marketing baby like all their other "AAA" ventures. Wasn't heavily focus tested, and was developed and tuned based on internal play. Everyone who worked on this game played it in internal leagues throughout it's development. Then after it was released and kind of flopped, it got even more freedom.

Stopped clock

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>>385110459
Yeah, sometimes I do wonder how Valve managed to do such a good job with TF2.

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>>385110745
This. After the multiplayer to Patriots was salvaged, Ubi probably just wanted to sell whatever they could, and the devs ran with it.

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>>385110459

Its an abortion from Rainbow 6 Patriots

but its biting them in the ass and the game is dying a slow painful death since the devs are shit

>>385110459
its going to die a horrible death by ubi never supported a game long-term

by making the same thread over and over again

>>385110459
I can see why people like it but small team games with crazy amounts of pressure on each player fucks me up and infuriates me when I do poorly.

>>385110459
Lets just hope For Honor gets the same treatment... though , i guess were never ever getting fuckin servers for the game.... fuckin p2p bullshit, fuck you ubi

it's simple: hating on ubisoft is more meme than reality

>>385111204
>game is dying a slow painful death

What? If anything, the player count is growing non stop. This whole Operation Health was a blunder though

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>Operation Health has barely done anything
>the new operators release in 3 weeks tops

Well atleast we are getting 3 but operation health has been a shit show

>>385111445
>Well atleast we are getting 3
implying they wont add the polish operator as mid-season reinforcements lol
cant wait for the backlash from that

>>385110459
far from it, i hope you enjoyed your operation no refunds that barely did anything

>>385111445

Normally the 1 male and 1 female operator thing annoys me but I can wait for my polish operatorfu

>>385111445
They're releasing 3 ops but didn't they cancel the new maps? What were they thinking going this long without new content. The game doesn't even run any better since their whole health shit

>>385111367
Not really. Siege is one of their only good games in 2017. Are you forgetting the flop that was Division? How about the nofaces bug?

Just because a lot of people criticise something doesn't make it an unfounded "meme".

>Operation Health
LMAO

>Ubisoft catches lightning in a bottle with Siege
>the inevitable sequel will be absolute dogshit

Just you watch

>>385111635

To be honest id rather have operators over maps I mean yeah we get good maps like Border and Coastline but do you want another Favelas or yacht?

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>Siege will never be technically and mechanically stable
>Operation Health will be for naught

>>385111761

Problem actually the devs have said that if Siege is still popular they will just keep adding shit onto it

Ubisoft is on SE's level of "we CAN and do have people to make games but boy oh boy does upper management love to ram their dicks down the devs and consumers throats alike. For Honor and Siege are fun to play when I can actually get into a game.

And if you're a bitch baby that believes perfect balancing is achievable, than go fucking REEEEEEEE in a corner elsewhere and get off of Reddit.

>>385111204
R6 is nowhere near dying. The community has grown quite a bit since Year 2.

>>385111648
and bugs or a bad game don't make a dev shit
ubi have consistently produced good games. Not all of their games are great. As far as the big publishers go, their track record's pretty great. When they do fuck up, like the catastrophic bugs in AssCree, they fix them and offer compensation.

The reason I say hating ubi's a meme is because even when they do produce a great game, like in the case of SC: Blacklist, the default stance of shitting on them is so ingrained it takes literal years for people to realise it.

>>385112005
>even when they do produce a great game, [...] the default stance of shitting on them is so ingrained it takes literal years for people to realise it.
same thing happened with siege tbqh

Bought it on Summer Sale. Who's a good dlc operator to buy first?

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>>385112005
>ubi have consistently produced good games

>>385112160

Hibana Valkyrie and buck. Those 3 are the best dlc operators and the rest are literally meme tier

>>385112160
Buck

Did you guys see the eleague shit yesterday? One of the pros got stuck in a wall, had to restart the match.

>>385112160
Ash, Thatcher, Rook all good for starters.

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>>385111890
I'm not entirely sure how to feel about this, seeing as the backend of the game seems to be held up by dreams and tape.
Operation Health has still one more big patch, I'll try my best to reserve judgement for the whole delay of the GROM season until it hits.

>>385112160
I would recommend playing for a bit, seeing how the game flows and what you like to do, and which of the Year 1/2 ops would fit in with that.
But as a general recommendation, Hibana.

>>385112256
This. I would add Frost to that list but all the other DLC ops are shit tier

>>385110459
>How does such a shit company create the best multiplayer game in recent years?

Because they let a small team scrape something together from the remains of patriots and let them get on with it. It was just supposed to be a stop gap title that lasted half a year while The Division and For Honor were meant to be the big hitters.

The downside is that the game isn't built to be this popular, or to cope with all the shit that comes with an evolving meta. It will always be busted unless they rebuild it on a new engine that's actually designed for this kind of game

>>385112228
pretty much exemplifying the meme here

>>385112160
Hibana.

>>385112005
A lot of their games are mechanically solid. Recently played Far Cry 4 and had a blast. It's just that each iteration between most of their games do not change much, and sometimes there's a technical blunder.

I have doubts about how much Siege will grow as being a new player now would be a nightmare, setting aside the amount to learn from the game itself you are also starring at a mountain of renown to earn before getting any dlc operators. Still the game is one of a kind, if you like the core gameplay you literally have no other multiplayer options, its why the game will have a long life span unless a better game comes along.

>>385112357
>meme buzzword
Nice try

>>385112521
>*mountain of renown to earn before unlocking all dlc operators

>>385112521
It's a steep learning curve but everybody has to go through it. For the ops, the vanilla ones are arguably the best of the game. You don't actually need any of the DLC ops

>>385112308
Taking your advice to wait a bit before buying. Thanks all.

>>385112702
Thermite is better than Hibana anyways

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>>385112548
>post consists exclusively of a distorted simpsons.jpg and quoting a previous reply
>gets butthurt when it's identified as memery
what did he mean by this???

>>385112829
>memery
And he does it again

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>>385112521
Siege desperately needs some kind of new players mm system or something so that sub 20s (or thereabouts) only get put together (if they decide to opt in).
Once you are above level 20 even if you get facerolled you know the game well enough to at least understand why it happened and what you can learn from it. But until that point it can be a very frustrating experience.
Only problem with this is that it's going to encourage so many fucktard smurfs. And Ubisoft would have to give a shit about them or people that constantly leave games for such a system to work.

>>385112908
>make no claims, simply ask for clarification on stated events
>pretends that using a word previously put in a post while describing it means he doesn't have to explain
what did he mean by this????

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I'm not a fan.

Bought it day one, played entire first year, some of second year.

I don't know, the fact that they can't decide on anything in the game, and they just keep changing it as Reddit complains.. It just really turns me off of the game.

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>>385113032
Here is your final (you)
calling hating Ubisoft a "meme" is not an argument
The company is the go-to for buggy as fuck games and churning out yearly titles until their IPs are drained of all creative juices
That is why I, and others, hate Ubisoft, and you are making a fallacious and contrarian argument in saying that because a large number of people dislike something, it must actually be good

You're just going to keep saying "MEME MEME MEME MEME LOL" so I see no point in discussing this further with a brick wall
I've made my point, and anyone who was worth convincing anyway already probably knows what Ubi is like

>>385113178

Does anyone like reddit? Even official game forums hate reddit since the devs barely go to the offical fucking forums anymore

>>385113273
>Does anyone like reddit?
the American mainstream media journalists looking for quick stories sans effort

>>385111890
Wasn't there an interview with one of the head developers saying they plan on having over 50 operators or something? I might be exaggerating.

>>385113241
>You're just going to keep saying "MEME MEME MEME MEME LOL"
which literally hasn't happened
>churning out yearly titles until their IPs are drained of all creative juices
which... literally doesn't happen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubisoft_games

like I said
hatred of ubisoft is straight up not based on their actual track record. For most, like you, it's a purely emotional position that can't be argued against with facts or reason

>>385111761
This.

The DLC maps are mediocre to play on. They "listened" to the pro league and that was a mistake. Almost all of the vanilla maps are a blast to play except for maybe Plane. The only DLC map I enjoy is Favela.

If only it had all characters unlocked from the start

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>Ubisoft makes an amazing game that hits on every note former Counter-Strike and new FPS players would want
>Ubisoft proceeds to hand over the designing reigns to the Reddit community

C'mon Man!

It's worse now than it was ever before.
Operation Health ruined the game.
Beta was more bugfree than now.

They got lucky by actually developing a good game and now they're doing everything they can to fuck it up

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Make the DLC operators cheaper, holy fuck

>25k renown per operator
>average about 200 renown per match
>that's over one hundred fucking matches just to unlock one

>>385111313
kys

>>385115092
They haven't even released new operators in a year.

When I was playing regularly, I had enough to buy all the operators as they came out.

I've stopped playing, and I still have enough sitting in mya ccount to buy the new ones when they come out.

>>385115092
>>average about 200 renown per match

wtf? average is 500 at least.

Git gud.

>>385115020

This

R6 siege is the ultimate case study which proves that Ubisoft is horrible at developing.

>>385115192
>They haven't even released new operators in a year.
Dude what.
Jackal and Mira came out earlier this year.
It just feels like a long time because they cancelled the GROM season. Next two seasons will have three ops each to make up for it.

Someone explain to me what operation health is and why it ruined the game.

>>385115192
Jackal and Mira were released near the beginning of the year. Either January or February.

>>385115342

>cancel new operators and maps
>promise to fix game
>actually fuck up the game
>it's now more buggy than it was in beta, also the whole gameplay changed because the hitboxes are different, so we are essentially playing a new game

>>385115417
So are the hitboxes bigger or smaller?

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>>385110459
Your description is so spot on OP, but you posted the wrong picture, let me ftfy.

>>385115486

different, simply. Which is worse enough.
You let people get used to hitboxes and gameplay for 2 years only to change it in year 3?
That's crazy, imo. Ubisoft lost their shit

>>385115417

They just canceled maps

Were getting 3 operators in August one is the polish 2 are hong kong

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>>385115342
Siege had 4 big seasons of content in Year 1, and the initial roadmap for Year 2 had 4 as well, each centered around a particular CTU and operators for that unit.
The GROM season got straight up cancelled in favour of this season being 'Operation Health', the goal of which is to have dedicated time to unfucking the game. Operation Health hasn't fixed barely anything, so it's why the cancellation stings even more. However, Operation Health is centered around two major patches, the second of which is yet to drop. Maybe it will actually fix things, maybe it won't.

The GROM map got straight up cancelled, the GROM operators got delayed so that they will be released over the next two seasons instead. As a Polack by blood, this rustled my jimmies a bit.

>>385115486
Smaller for everyone. They no longer include parts of clothing and gear that wouldn't make sense to take damage from, like ear muffs on GSG9 operators. Also, no operators were cancelled, just the Polish map. But the state of the game is still pretty bad. Net code needs a complete do over, or at least roll out on those upgraded servers they've talked about for like a year.

>>385111518
You had to ruin the illusion. God damn it.

>>385115628

They didn't cancel maps

They literally do not include the maps in their details of what it is added in the dlc (despite the fact that every new season came with a new map)

Because of this, when people say they feel cheated out of a polish map Ubisoft just points to their dlc board and says "there's nothing here that says you get 4 maps with your season pass so we technically haven't removed anything lol"

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anyone play on PS4? I'm a scrub who's looking to get better

>>385112256
>>385112315
You are calling Blackbeard, the second best DLC attack operator meme/shit tier? Sure is copper around here.

>>385115092
Most of the DLC operators are shit. The only exceptions being Hibana, Buck and Valk. You're better off playing the vanilla ops because they're much better and much more useful

>>385111313
there's no real pressure though, considering everybody can die in 1 headshot it's more than possible for a really good player to carry a bad team, or 3 decent players to carry 2 bad ones. it's not like Overwatch or Paladins where it's nearly impossible to carry even 1 bad teammate, let alone two unless the enemy team is literally retarded as well.

>>385116008
Blackbeard is pretty bad. His shield has been nerfed to shit. You're better off picking another more useful operator

>>385115242
25000 is ludicrous. If I hadn't been playing since black ice when we could afk farm renown I'd be upset too.
Any new player is looking at 200,000+ renown just to unlock all the operators. Buck/Frost are so old now that they don't even register as DLC ops to me anymore.

Year 1 ops need a price drop

>>385116006
Post PSN. I'll play with you. There's also a Siege general on /vg/

>>385116008

>Blackbeard post nerf
>best anything

He's a niche pick at best. Both of his guns got nerfed and his shield is as strong as balsa wood now.

>>385116242
>>385116006

>playing a shooter on console

LOL wat?

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>>385115985
In Ubisoft's original roadmap for Year 2, they announced it with 4 maps.

I just want them to fix their fucking netcode
Terrible hit registration, lag overcompensated, peeker's advantage and on top of that the game doubles everyone's ping for no fucking reason
The one time ubisoft creates something good by pure luck they still manage to ruin it with their incompetence

>>385115985
So there's fucking shills in here too?

>>385114828
>The only DLC map I enjoy is Favela.
Wow, you have a severe case of shit taste.

>>385116242
You sure? I'm pretty bad, I choke and get nervous which leads to plenty of dumb mistakes on my end

Still enjoying it a lot though

>>385116358
>stop liking what I don't like!

>>385116171
>>385116338
He has an average of 87% pick rate in pro leagues over all of the seasons since his release.

>can hold any angle for free
>has an advantage in every firefight he gets into
>can survive a headshot 2 times

Totally useless.

>>385110459
try the game on beta one week before the launch.
netcode is pure garbage.

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>>385116375

Kek look at this guy with his old roadmap. Sorry bud, Ubisoft doesn't recognize that when you bring it up on their forums.

>>385116358
Siege is unironically more fun on console

>>385116675
Is this a roadmap for ants?

>>385116424

>he dOesnt like endless flanks: the map

Git map awareness

>>385116706

Sure, if you like roleplaying as a handicapped SWAT-operator

>>385116424
Yacht is hot garbage.
Skyskraper is not that great.
Dustline iraq map, forgot the name is alright.
Spain map no strong opinion yet

>>385116740
Favela is easily worst map

>>385116625

You'll have to show me his pick rate from the latest tourney to confirm that. He's been nerfed twice already because his pick rate was so high in the first place.

His shield is weak now and his movement with the shield on is the slowest in the game. He can only push up front and hold angles but his nerfed speed makes getting to the frontline without getting flanked a real problem.

>>385116862

No that's Bartlett

>>385116675
How can you say that "they didn't cancel maps" when you're showing me that they're reducing the number of maps they're releasing in Year 2?

Also, nice thumbnail, fag.

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>>385116625
You were saying?

>People actually believe HEALTH was made to fix the game and not to introduce loot crates and more ways to eat into player renown.

The primary goal of Health was to get people spending more but the community was too cucked to fight it.
Ash will still have hitboxes in another country by the end of this

>>385117109
I believe without a doubt that the main focus of opertion health was adding alpha packs

>>385116786
Everyone is handicapped Op and you don't have people whipping around to headshot you when you sneak on them.
Peeker's advantage is lessened and abused less in general.
You can actually have firefights.

I enjoy the advantages of FPS on PC but since I started playing on ps4 Siege got so much more fun but I miss talking shit to the other team and FoV options.

You can still use a mouse if you're really determined.

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>>385117107
>>385116967

What type of gun shields do you think the new Ops will get?

>>385110459
A broken clock is right twice a day

>>385118449

Where's the date?

>>385115092
you also get
>250 extra renown a day
>7x 250 renown a week
so that's a 3500 renown a week extra.
+ if you do well you can get up to 500 a match.
But I have over 300 hours and still got 2 guys left to unlock.

Idk people bitch about operation health but I haven't been headshotted through shield as blitz yet.
I can blitz main against decent enemy teams instead of only dogshit now.

>>385116625
>blackbeard nerfed to shit
>people still have a problem with him
top kek
I remember when the initial bitching started and BB was fine
But what do I know, I'm a toxic blitz/tachanka main

>>385117034
I have to agree with you.
Flavela is top fun peeking the fuck out of enemy.
Bartlett is kinda shit. Maybe it's because I've played it sub 30 times.

>>385120014

Every room in Bartlett feels like it's half a size too big. It's off putting, the place was designed for 8ft humans

>>385120014
No its shit, I assure you. It's especially shit for attackers. Very few good points of entry. It's bland.

>>385120316

Favela has the most breakable walls in the game. It's amazing for attackers

>>385119053
From the latest proleague season
twitch tv/videos/156419028?t=00h48m00s

It's been like 2 months since operation health and the game has only gotten worse

>>385116967
>>385118449
BB is still a strong pick in high level play because he shuts down flanks and holds angles really well.

In an uncoordinated pug he's kinda shit since he can't aggressively peek like the 1 speeds and your team isn't smart enough to coordinate which angle to hold.

>>385110459
I wouldn't say best. Siege has very serious design flaws ie. Instakill headshots with netcode/reg means high level play devolves to prefiring corners and drop shotting.

>>385120875

Okay I'll adjust my statement

The only operators that are high tier are valk, hibana, buck and BB

Everyone else is meme tier, some will tell you frost is good but their are better options on defense.

On a related note, a friend that I play with every day is now maining Blackbeard and I'm very happy about it because he used to main twitch and just sit at spawn and drone the whole match. It's so much better having him want to be on the front lines with BB rather than dicking around in his drone all match effectively creating a 4v5 on offense.

>>385121394
>Ash
>Meme tier
Literally almost 100% pick rate in pro league and the most popular on ladder.

>>385121621
I think he was referring to DLC operators.

>>385121621

Sorry, I meant out of the dlc ops

I have more playtime with ash than with all other offensive ops combined. Bitch is just too broken not to use.

>>385121621
He was talking about DLC ops. Ash is not a DLC op.

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I like For Honor
Even if Im terrible at it and get destroy by almost everybody that play daily

Why is Valk considered to be so good?

>>385121394
>Mira
>not elder god tier
Sure is gold in here

>>385122487
Intel is incredibly powerful in Siege, and a few good cam placements can easily turn a match to the defenders' side. I never play her but the Valk players on my teams are huge for us.

>>385122487
>3 cameras that can be thrown anywhere in a game where information is the most important thing to gather
GEE WHIZ, DUNNO

Also her gun has 0 recoil. And she has a C4

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>>385122487
Is she?
I dont really know, I just get rape by everybody else playing and I try to Main Valk.

>>385114828
Plane is fantastic because it's so claustrophobic, but it's also shit because it inevitably turns to a Jager in the luggage bay sniping the attackers while a Glaz on the wing snipes the defenders.

All the DLC maps are trash, though, because they have no logical sense of design and nothing interesting about them.

Though Oregon and Clubhouse are still the worst two maps. Favelas is third, Bartlett U is fourth.

>>385119939
>But what do I know, I'm a toxic blitz/tachanka main
Yea, you should probably try playing at a level above copper

>>385122487
>Sets up incredibly hard to see cameras wherever the fuck she wants, guaranteeing three cameras by the objective.
>Powerful guns
>C4
She's basically got all the firepower of first release, pre-nerf Frost, with one of the best abilities in the game bar none.

>>385122705
>>385122776
But her cameras get shot out right off

>>385123152
Find better spots.

>>385123152
>literally even in ProLeague she has a high pickrate and often her cameras are alive long into the rounds
>people even pick IQ just to take out her cameras
Perhaps you should use them better anon?

>Match Starts
>Smoke immediately blows open a crawl tunnel into another room
>Smoke immediately kills all the drones and calls it out
>Smoke has called out his choke point, and asks for a cover on his flank
>Smoke is last one left and clutches

t. Smoke

>>385123456
>Match starts
>Smoke puts a gas grenade on the hostage

>>385123456
Smoke is a great pick. Do you use his FMG-9 or M590A1?

they said they would fix netcode for 3 months
have they done anything at all?

>>385123853
No

Threads like this just show how fucking little retards on /v/ knows about shit.

It's not. It's an unbalanced, microtransaction infested mess and despite some of the server fixes that make the game function better, it was actually a far better game at launch before all the trash DLC was added and ruined everything. At this point the game is a disaster and only cheaters and retards still play. And it has a worse community than CS:GO which is saying a lot.

>>385122965
>Oregon
I can do a lot of interesting things at Oregon, I like it.

>clubhouse
One of the most fun maps

>favelas
Oh sweetie, no.

When is the new season out? AKA the new characters?

We're supposed to be getting three this time.

>>385123773
Anon. There is no reason to use the FMG. Why? Because shotguns are versatile tools for opening up walls and such, and only Smoke and Echo can run a secondary SMG to offset the loss in kill potential.
M590A1 is also one of the better shotguns in the game, so you can use it decently in combat if the situation arises.

Never, EVER pick the FMG or MP5SD for Echo.

>>385124198
Those maps all suck. You suck.

>>385124128
Microtransactions? All you can buy is useless cosmetics

>>385114828
I like the Yacht map, it's as good as the suburban house and plane imo. The rest are horrible. Too big and unfocused. They designed buildings, not maps. Skyscraper and Favela are particularly fucking awful. Absolutely no logic or reason behind the layouts at all, just a mess of rooms and hallways that lead to nowhere.

>>385123963
No kidding, resembles reddit honestly.

>>385124330
You're implying that Yacht is superior to all of those

>>385122661

>1 speed operators
>good

I'll admit her gun is great but holy shit is it easy for attackers to abuse the fuck out of her gadget.

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>>385111204
>getting more popular every day
>its slowly dying

I would call you a retard but at least you posted the undisputed best girl. Cav a cute.

>>385124674
>I'll admit her gun is great but holy shit is it easy for attackers to abuse the fuck out of her gadget.

The Mira is bad if that happens, that's it.

>>385116706
>>385116006
I hope you enjoy getting stomped by M&K users in gold/plat.

>>385124395
Jesus christ is this the most silver post in the thread?
>maps where the defenders can effectively roam and attackers can choose different angles of attack are bad
>but maps where the defenders are forced to do runouts or just huddle in the objective because attackers can easily take control of long sightlines and hunt roamers trivially are good
Holy fucking hell
The only thing you're right on is that Favela is literal shit

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>popping mira's shields with a shock drone

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>>385124747
>cav
>best girl

>>385123773
Shotgun only.

For my team on Defense, I'm like the dedicated shotgun guy.

When we fuck around in Casual, and I pick operators without a shotgun, I'm always the first to ask "Who has a shotgun, I need this open." And then I realize I need to always be a shotgun operator, so Smoke is like always mine by default for the team.

>>385124587
It is.
Not by much, but it is.

The problem with Yacht is it has sections that are solid for roaming and holding, and sections that are just absolute shit.

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>>385124674
>house map
>garage spawn
>put both miras next to eachother, open one of it
>spawnkill enemy team

>>385116083
Buck is fucking garbage, why people act like that meme operator is worth playing? His carbines are shit and inaccurate as fuck, his gadget is pure trash.

>>385124771

Yeah but you also have to deal with shitty teammates fucking your setup over by prematurely opening the mirror. She's great if you have 4 teammates who all know how she works and know what your plan will be with her. You also need to be much more vigilante against shock drones when Mira is on your team or else twitch will open them up within the first few seconds of you putting the mirror up.

>>385124932
Cav is cute, better than generic blonde IQ

>>385124990
Problem with Yacht is that there is zero destructible floor and too few hatches to compensate

>>385111204
This. The game used to be a lot of fun, but the DLC operators utterly ruined what once was quite a balanced game and now it's just a disgusting weapon skin sales platform instead of a game. It took literal years for Ubisoft to fix the servers, but they stopped caring about the gameplay and actual quality of the game and now aren't even pretending that the microtransactions aren't all they care about. It's got half the playerbase it once had at absolute most.

>>385125019
Who is he?

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>>385125147
>he

>>385125060
>being this much of a copper

>>385125070
Well I literally only play with people I know so that's never an issue.

>>385125019

>other mirror gets shock droned
>glaz beats your peak
>hibana says fuck your mirrors

>>385125146
How can DLC operators ruin anything? If only not releasing anything in the last few months is what ruined the game for me. It's so boring now.

>>385125147
Habina on her day off

>>385125060
>his gadget is pure trash
AH HAHAHAH
Apex kek
Protip, put a laser sight on it and aim down sights. These both significantly reduce the spread and make it more effective at its job.
It is the only way (aside from Ash charges) to open floors from below. On several sites this is godlike.

You're completely right about him being overrated and his guns being horrible though. But his gadget is god tier

>>385125256
i don't give a fuck about ranked and never will so explain why he is useful since his shotgun is trash tier at creating holes and i'd rather use rifle than shitty shotgun

>>385125146
>It's got half the playerbase it once had at absolute most.

Literally false.

And the DLC operators have all been great, /v/ is just filled with people who have no capacity for forming their own thoughts and opinions.

Keep parroting the hivemind.

>>385125302
That's what Mute is for.

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>>385125235
tfw you never before seen Anri with duck face expresion

>>385125393
>Capitao
>great
Uhh

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>>385125146
>It's got half the playerbase it once had at absolute most.

it had 20k at release
now it has almost 50k and that's not counting ppl who only have it on uplay

>>385125393
The only person parroting here is you, sheep. The game is garbage now. All of the DLC operators are broken cancer that ruined it. You are a retarded child.

>>385125375
>his shotgun is trash tier at creating holes
No it's not. You're just trash at making holes

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>>385124893
my face when I am
>destroying kapkan's traps
>fucking up bandit's and jager's toys
>destroying most or all cameras inside before the round even starts
>stalking valkyrie to destroy her cameras when she leaves the area
>destroying mute's jammers so thermite can breach the fortified wall and allow your teammates to decimate the enemy
>hiding behind an enemy, waiting for them to start shooting at your teammates then shocking the fucker so he gets all nervous and gets killed by your teammate
>annoying the shit out of that lazy fuck echo or that camper tachanka
>interrupting pulse when he is scanning
>free assists
Twitch is my favourite operator.

>>385125146
How exactly have the DLC ops ruined the game?

>>385125515
when ppl hide behind a wall or shield capitao is very useful

>>385125375
Anon. Laser sights reduce spread in all situations. Aiming down sights reduce even more.
Bucks skellington key is bloody amazing

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>>385111635
They only cancelled the polish map, not the hong kong or south korea maps.

And even then, I've seen claims that the poland map is already out of development and finished from people who claim to be inside sources.

It's in pic related, although I'm not sure how willing I am to believe it.

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>>385124893
>Destroy Shock Drone during preparation phase
>Second Shock Drone blows my shield
>Destroy the drone and place a second shield next to the open hole

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>>385125108
Maybe if you're into clown make-up. Frost is the best girl in siege by a mile.

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>>385125609
>be in drone for half the game while his teammates actually play and fight

fuck twitch players, just pick Thatcher

>>385125375
Use his rifles then since they're godtier you fucking loser

>>385110745
lets hope the same thing happens to Hitman now that Square washed their hands of it.

>>385125573
It's cute how offended the mongoloid gets.

This is the state of /v/ everyone, utterly brain dead parasites.

Get the fuck off the internet and learn how to think for yourself dipshit.

>>385125426

>runs thatcher

seriously, on most attacking teams you will almost always see hibana thatcher and maybe a twitch or glaze depending on the team. But generally any attacking composition is going to have hibana and thatcher which is all they need to take care of a mirror with mute or bandit on it

>>385125752
The makeup makes Cav sexy too I dont know why desu

>>385125362
>remove laser
>walls explode

Laser is for exploding defender chest cavities

I wish Valkyrie didn't look like Irish food and didn't have tatoos everywhere, she's be cute.

>>385124395
>>385124863
Both of you are fucking plebs.

It's not the maps that are the problem but incompetent teammates.

Let's take favela for example. When in Aunt's Room
>team doesn't fortify all the walls
>mute is a braindead twat and doesn't place jammers at said fortified walls to prevent hibana and thermite from breaching and camping you to death
>nobody is not guarding a room directly above just up the stairs from where fuze can fuck your shit up

See where I'm getting at? Every map has shitload of opportunities but doesn't make it easy for any side if both sides are competent.

>>385125393
The problem is that the DLC operators are almost all better than the base game operators. Nearly every single one is incredibly unbalanced, except for the ones they nerfed because of how overwhelmingly unbalanced they were.

Which means that in order to play as the best, most fun characters in the game, you need to spend fucking $90 on it. And if you bought the game at launch, you would have to spend $120 on it.

That's fucking stupid.

>>385116358
Not out fault you are so shit you can't use a joystick

>>385125916
>thatcher throws his nade
>quickly pick up mute from another wall
>place it infront of the other wall

:)

>>385126018
How fucking wrong can you even be?

Half the core operators are still top picked you fucking idiot.

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>>385110459

Should I get the UPlay version or the Steam version?

>>385116675
Yeah that's why he said in the original. Can you not read cocksucker? Jesus Christ you sound like a right Cunt. Kys

Who here /BlackBeard/?

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>>385125774
Twitch's support can actually make the match easy for the team. You don't see that because half of the traps and cameras are already destroyed and you just assume the enemy team is just stupid while it was twitch that made it so ez for you.

Ungrateful mongrel.

>>385110459
>shit company
>literally has best pc support out of all publishers combined
>little shitters who worship ecelebs keep perpetuating meme that its a bad publisher
>has been doing legit diversity stuff before anti-white SJWs marxists even existed
>has diverse variety of games and legit creative games and way more improvements in sequels than any other publisher
>little cucked plebs cry about muh towers and whatever
>then proceed to proclaim BOTW best game of all time even though every fucking aspect of the game is ripped from ubisoft games and every other game on the planet copying ubisoft formula and gameplay
>little shitters sit on forums all day shitposting ubisoft because total colon cancer ranted about the publisher
>little shitters still worshiping and parroting total colon cancer even though he's literally hosting gay trap conferences and ejecting anyone thats against marxist SJW policy

>>385126069
>The top picked operators are the ones everyone can pick
Gee I wonder why

>>385125774
Twitch is one of the most versatile operators in the game and anyone who just sits and drones the whole time is a horrible twitch.

She's easily one of the best operators, and the Famas is elder god tier.

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>>385125609
>making defenders panic with a zap to the dick
>they panic and a teammate plows their ass

>>385126274

Nobody hates twitch, we just get annoyed at people who never leave their spawn or get off the drone. You're destroying traps and that's nice, but now we're dealing with a 4v5. Every time I play with a twitch they end up the last man alive, still on their drone, not even inside of the building yet. It's embarrassing

>>385126138
Pro tip: they're both uplay versions

>>385112160
As many are saying, Hibana is great as she's essentially the love child of ash and thermite, both of which are very powerful or essential ablities to have.

Buck is also pretty good while you're new to the game, as he's pretty simple to play. His underbarrel shotgun is basically a slightly longer-range version of sledge's hammer. Blackbeard's relatively easy for a new player as well, as his ability and access to flashbangs makes him good for pushing angles.

Now, some advice on who not to buy anytime soon: Caveira and Echo. they're pretty complicated and if you don't have a lot of game sense yet, yoiu can easily be dead weight to the team. See the incidence of cavs that are bad at sneaking or don't know to watch their backs, or echo players who just stay in yokai all round (better still if they leave the objective beforehand).

also, when playing castle, two notes. 1, if an ally tears your barrier down with the crowbar, you get it back so don't sweat it. Better yet, just don't deploy your barriers until late in pre-round so you don't lock anyone in or out of the room they want to be in. 2, fuze CAN put his cluster charges through those barriers but you can shoot him through them, so castle barriers can just get your team fuze'd if you aren't careful about where you put them. Just wanna make sure you know since noobs who aren't aware of castle's pitfalls really can lose the round for your team.

>>385125784
>Buck rifles
>godtier
..no
His guns are absolute garbage. DMRs in general are underpowered to the point of being silly, and his rifle has one of the worst recoils in the game.
t. Plat 1

>>385126382
>anyone who just sits and drones the whole time is a horrible twitch
Twitch main here. By the time I stop driving it's either half of the enemy team is dead or the enemy team was able to spot my drone so I am forced to get into the action and use another drone to support from closer distance.

In rare occasions my team gets killed quickly and I'm the only one left. Usually that means I am a dead man walking but still put up some effort to try to win no matter the odds.

And yes, Famas is godlike

>>385126018
Are you serious? If anything the vanilla ops are OP. How is Echo or Capitao OP? You're a fucking retard

>>385126614

Bucks strength doesn't come from his main gun.

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>>385126138
>he thinks there is a difference

>>385126614
>his rifle has one of the worst recoils in the game.
That's why you practice

>>385125737
>Really old beta build of the game where it had good graphics
>Fucking ubisoft tell me it doesnt exist when I message them asking access to it
>It fucking does

>>385126295
>proleague and diamond tier players dont own DLC operators
*thinking*

>>385126475
I sit on my drone and my team never seems to care. Probably because scout for them, call out defenders and put pressure on them while teammate finishes them off. Twitch is a support.

>>385111204

>dying a slow painful death

The steamcharts would say otherwise.

The biggest fuckup they've done recently was to hold off on releasing new operators for this bullshit "operation health" shit that barely seems to actually be doing anything that they players really wanted.
The way they release new ops and a new map every 3 months is actually something that's done really well for the long term health of the game, especially since each new season tends to also get a free weekend trial as well which means that new players are joined by older players who are interested in the new operators and the servers become bustling. Adding even 2 new operators every so often is enough to make the game feel a little refreshed since these ops then interact with the existing ones in new and interesting ways.
Like Jackal for example: even if he's not picked during a round, if I've picked caveira then until I know there is no jackal about I will be playing around him - refusing to move unless I use silent step just in case.

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>>385110459
>get bored of CS, look for a new FPS
>get Overwatch, start to hate it after 100 hours
>get into Siege
>fall in love with the game mechanically
>start playing constantly largely in quick play
>notice that what I see in game isn't always what the kill cams show
>learn about peekers advantage
>playing ranked today
>notice a shitton of kill cams that show something completely different from what I see on my side
>notice enemies a half second before I die, yet the kill cam shows them lazily securing their kill
>notice that shooting at an Ash with high ping as she's dropping will cause you to miss all your shots
>notice people with 200 to 300 ping often stomping ranked mode because of this

It's a bummer, but I'm dropping ranked mode. If the game had really solid netcode it'd be worth the time investment, but the fact that people playing aggressive will always get an advantage in a game were headshots are a one shot kill is just not something I'm willing to put up with.

Damn shame too, considering the game is really solid at its core. Probably one of the best fps games I've played.

>>385126475
This is because there aren't many competent Twitch players and even myself, that I consider bretty gud Twitch, fuck up sometimes.

When I see my team is struggling I hide my drone and get into action. When I see my team is doing well I don't see the reason to get off the drone.

>>385126295
Pro players have all ops and still use base ones. Ash, Sledge, Jager, Bandit, Smoke, Thermite and etc are all great ops. The only good DLC ops are Hibana, Valk and Buck.

>>385126821

You need to be doing all of those things and supporting with your gun as well.

>have best gun in the game
>never use it

>>385126603
>BB
>noob frendly
Nah, he's pretty much one of the operators that scale with player skill exponentially, like Pulse. Made pretty apparent even in this thread where idiots say he is underwhelming, when pros still consider him overpowered

>>385126904
>Ranked

But its a BETA(tm)

>>385127009
Well yeah if my drone can't solve the situation. I don't sit at spawn but I do stay a lil behind

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>>385126904
>playing ranked
>caring about ranked stats
>using it as an argument in game to insult people
Below the bottom tier of idiocy.

I remember people saying the Jackel was really good on his launch, did the nerfs really hit him that hard?

>>385126765
No shit? I've been defending him since his gadget is fantastic.
>>385126775
>practice randomized vertical and horizontal recoil
This isnt CSGO where recoil patterns are roughly the same, dip. Bucks rifle also isnt a straight up vertical recoil like FAMAS or whatever.
You cannot "learn" Bucks rifle past a very basic point, and at range you're always at a disadvantage

>>385127013
They could make it so one bullet can take out his shield and he'd still be good.

People are just garbage at the game in this thread.

>>385126904
This is why I dropped ranked years ago. It was always a complete mess and the community is full of human garbage anyway.


>>385127018
Ubisoft calling it a beta when ranked has existed since launch 2 years ago is pure insanity.

>>385127248
People learned how to play around him

>>385126930
>not Mira and BB who both have high pickrates
Anoooon

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>>385110459
Years later, they still don't know that they have the potential to fix its issues and make it one of the best multiplayer shooters of recent years. Fuck ubisoft

>>385127256

>at range

Your supposed to be opening the floors and ceilings of the objective room. That requires you to be inside. Bucks biggest strength is vertical play.

>>385120247
I recall college campuses having that kind of architecture a lot. They like wide open spaces and big imposing halls. My guess is that it's to make way for all the additional piping you need for labs, the extra drains for sinks and lines for water supply. Plus, for chemistry halls you need to think about ventilation for fume hoods as well.

>>385127456
I think the problem is the issues are beyond fixing. I don't think they could fix them, or if they could it would take an incredible amount of work. The game will play like it does until it dies

>>385115530
They`re both good anon, let them have some fun

>>385127554
>you start shooting their floor
>Jäger and/or Bandit run at lightspeed to challenge you
>you lose instantly unless you have teammates to help since their guns arent hot garbage like yours.

Yeah sure, if you can fill a holosight with the enemy's head or torso you have a decent chance, but there's a reason why top rated guns have low recoil and high RoF

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>>385127734
They aren't beyond fixing. I know that the game's engine is flawed at its core, but Ubi managed to unfuck Unity by releasing 30GB patches replacing the whole game several times over, I fail to see why they wouldn't do it with Siege.

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>>385110459
>Gameplay now is just rushing into shit like CoD.

no thanks

>>385127963
t. I only played two matches

>>385127963
Thats what happens when armor doesnt matter due to oneshot headshots, when 3speeds are the tankiest due to netcode, and peekers advantage is retarded

>>385128034
t. only plays ash

>>385127902

Yes, the famas' recoil is sooo low. Also, defenders flanking doesn't change the fact that buck turns the obj into Swiss cheese

>>385128034
More like played 500 hours and got tired of the diamond-high plat meta?
The game is honestly more enjoyable at low skill level or consoles to a certain extent

>>385127243
Are you insinuating that I do that? Either way it's funny how people do that. Anyway, story time

>playing casual
>shoot at a guy from outside at an awkward angle, he gets upset and says "wow, you really are a casual player"
>tell him to "git gud"
>he flips, yells at me for being unranked
>starts typing constantly about how I'm garbage
>final round, him and one teammate alive
>he TKs his teammate, hides outside and types for the remainder of the round
>he keeps talking about how trash we are despite losing

Shit was pretty funny. The community in this game can be a real shitshow.

>>385127339
>>385127456
>>385128080
It is a raging bummer that the game's fucked because of the netcode. If they made the damage values closer to CS so that armor mattered and then unfucked the netcode shit would be one of the best fps games out there. At least I got like 400 hours of enjoyment out of it.

>>385128194
???
What the fuck do you have trouble to understand here anon?
I have stated several times that Buck is great due to his gadget which is unique in opening floor from below.
However he suffers a ton from his guns being literal shit. Only Capitaos weapons are worse on attack

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>>385125737
That source is to be trusted 100%. They accurately predicted operation health known internally as the blitz plan, as well as revealing the next elite uniform, not to mention posting never before seen builds of the game.

>>385127248
People realized he wasn't really as strong as they thought during the Velvet Shell demonstration. His gadget isn't really useful when you can just use drones. The nerfs didn't really effect him in the first place. Proleague players don't need to use him since they coordinate and watch each other's backs. Although in recent proleague matches, some players used Jackal on big maps like Bank

>>385128349
Capitao's assault rifle is awesome. The LMG is completely worthless though. I love that character personally, I think he's a ton of fun. Maybe not the most useful since no breaching gear at all, but still very underappreciated.

>>385110459
Ubisoft is not one person.

>>385114828

>The only DLC map I enjoy is Favela

Holy fuck, I've never dropped someone's opinion so fast.
Literally the worst map in the game.

>>385128594
>Capitaos assault rifle is awesome
I literally feel like hitting myself with a fucking hammer right about now.
Capitao's rifle has the lowest DPS in the entire attacker roster combined with the biggest and most random recoil pattern in the game.
How in gods name is that awesome?
How can you be so ignorant about statistics and weapon balance? Did you buy the game in summer sale?

>>385110459
do i need ANY form of external account to play this game on steam? i've never played a ubisoft game online before and i know they have their own thing or something

>>385128594
The PARA is fucking abysmal my dude what are you even on about, even the pros don't like putting up with its shit.

>>385128349

His guns aren't shit you just suck at aiming. >>385128535

>>385128985

You gotta have a UPlay account

>>385128908

>muh dps
>in a game that revolves around 1hk headshots

>>385127013
Oh no, if you're good BB can indeed do a ton of damage. I just meant that his gadget is mechanically simple so he's not hard to be at least half decent with.

>>385128908
Nope, had it since the day it came out years ago. You're just a dumbfuck who looks at arbitrary numbers and thinks they matter when actual skill is all that factors in. If you suck, then of course you're not getting kills with it. Or anyone else for that matter. Stats mean fuck all, it's still a game where one to three shots with anything drop someone. I hope you grow up someday and realize that """""competitive meta""""" is an embarrassing thing to care about.

>>385129148
Not him but it's still the worst because it has a low rate of fire and high random recoil.

Guns with high rate of fire and low recoil will always be the best for accurate headshotting.

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>>385129148
>1hit kill headshots
EXACTLY
Capitao's rifle has lowest attacker rate of fire combined with highest randomized recoil. His pitiful damage cannot save the gun either.
What the fuck?

>>385129226
>high rate of fire
>low recoil
Except no such thing exists in real life, so any guns in the game that fit this are unbalanced garbage for shitters.

>>385129148
>Mediocre RPM
>Wild recoil patterns
The angled grip is nice and the class is solid but the gun is just a hassle.

>>385129079
>>385129206
>shit guns arent shit because I like the operator
Not an argument.
I play both Buck and Capitao extensively, but pretending that their guns are anything but shit is hilarious. Can you kill with them? Sure. Are they good weapons? Fucking hell no, you're always at a disadvantage in a straight up gunfight. You can kill people with a fucking pistol, doesnt mean its not ineffective.

>>385129148
Even pro league players don't have over 75% headshot kill percentage. There are a whole lot of instances in this game where you won't be able to see an enemy's head.

>>385129628

It everyone can have a god tier gun. Some people have to have God tier gadgets like buck. I'll give you rate of fire is important, but recoil is absolutely not. Good players fire in bursts and bucks gun has plenty of stability as long as your not playing with a lead trigger finger

>>385110459
Halo 5 was pretty good, I agree

>>385129807

Literally every gun in the game downs people at 3 shots or less. How does dps matter when ttk is lower than one second?

>>385129861
>recoil is absolutely not important in Rainbow Six: Siege
>t. Anon

>>385130195
You're merely pretending, right?
Things like ammo capacity, rate of fire, recoil, damage per shot all matter since in reality people are moving, netcode fucks up and stuff like shooting through obstacles always exist.

>>385130208

I really don't think it does. The only time it even comes into play is when you shoot more than 5 bullets at a time which never happens to me.

>>385130195
>What is damage dropoff and leg shots? What is other players moving behind solid cover instead of standing around eating your bullets for half a second?

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>>385125737
>They only cancelled the polish map
Fucking cunts 2nd season pass was advertized with 4 maps and 8 operators now it will be 3 maps and 8 operators with lazy ass "operation health" which didn't fix shit but added microtransaction lootboxes. Way to go ubishit

>>385129861
>>385130573
This. I fully agree. Recoil exists solely to prevent full auto hip firing so people don't go sprinting around spraying like idiots in COD. If you play as you are meant to, aiming properly and moving slowly or sitting still, and firing in bursts or semi-auto, then it will literally never matter here.

Why are Thatcher and Mute so great lads?

>>385130641

Players don't move faster than bullets though. Damage dropoff means nothing on offense when everyone uses an AR and on defense your positioning should be so that it never comes into play.

>>385130827
Season pass was never advertised for maps, since those are free for everyone.
It was always early access to the ops without spending renown

>>385130918
Sledge is the best Britfag operator anon. He has the Lee Enfield and a fucking sledgehammer.

Am I the only person who thinks Bandit's recoil is way too damn high? Shit's rough. Also did they tweak Thermite's rifle? I went from hating it to enjoying it.

>>385130951
true but as someone who actually bought second season pass, i felt cheated, i expected the maps and operators, this informs me to never buy a season pass for the game again, and probably will hurt their bottom line instilling no trust in future content, if they are going to do shit like operation health

>>385131091
Do you really feel cheated? Yeah it's shitty one map is missing but we're getting literally everything else.

It sucks how they've handled this season so far but as long as they deliver on everything else like they say they will I still think it was worth it.

Call me a shill or whatever but that's how I feel.

I think it is Ubisoft fault the game doesn't actually get fixed in terms of bugs/glitches. They need to make the siege team way bigger so we can get 2 maps per 3 months.

Besides that I hope they stop adding 1 female OP every dlc.

>navy seals
>female OP

I see. I think it would have been better if this game was unrelated to Rainbow six but just siege

>game you have to pay for
>uses an extremely jewish F2P model with currency that you have to grind or buy

Seriously compare it to Dirty Bomb.
At least they have the decency to make boosters count down only during gameplay rather than all the time.

>>385131261
I feel cheated that I the content I paid for to have early access to was delayed in favor of project health, that hasn't really fixed anything that I've had major issues with

>best multiplayer
>cs with MUH GADGETS

>>385128279
>Are you insinuating that I do that? Either way it's funny how people do that
Never meant to imply you do that, sorry it sounded like I do, but I thought it's a good time to mention this kind of behaviour. It amuses me to no end as well.

>>385130874
Anon, what is your rank and platform?

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>bought the game at launch on PS4 with friends
>played a couple hundred hours, every base operator unlocked and lots of weapons skins and shit (before most of the DLC even came out)
>they eventually stopped playing so I did too, never touched it again
>some other friends bought it on PC back in January and wanted me to play with them
>made the mistake of buying the starter edition to save money since I didn't want to buy the same game twice
>play on and off for a while, just decided to play again yesterday after months of not touching it
>only have 6 operators and only really want the DLC ones since I never got to play them before
>this grind

>>385130932
I'd love to play this game in your world where rate of fire on every gun can kill someone by firing 4 shots in the time it takes for the cancel lean animation to finish, as well as never having to engage anyone on defense past 15m.
Thanks for admitting DPS matters in leg shot only cases like drone holes, hatches, and destroyed floors by the way.

>>385131670
It's just the fact that they straight up display your rank and your ranked KDR so easily, so players are clearly going to shittalk that. It is laughable when they do it while losing though.

>>385130874
Dude, literally nobody in high ranks and proleague play like that, and for a good fucking reason

>>385131383
The DLC ops are mostly shit and you can unlock them just by playing anyways. The vanilla ops are always better than DLC ops.

>>385132162
Not true at all. Not surprised you wouldn't know that though shitter.

>>385131778

The world I live in is one where I plan my defense and attack to ensure that my weakness isn't exploited. If you have a gun that's ineffective after 15m than maybe you should plan for not engaging past that mark.

How does one play Capitao effectively?
I always expect his crossbow to be useful but it never really is against anyone half decent.

>>385131261
Not him but I do.
I think Health fixed some shit but maps are for everyone and even if the new operators end up in meme tier we have a new map to explore.

>>385132284
Hibana, Valkyrie, Buck, Cav, and Mira say, "Hello."

>>385129340

Won't argue there. It's what keeps me coming to /r6g/.
Fuzing the hostage seems to be a bit of a right of passage as well, although earlier I was playing hostage on border and our buck thought he was going to be clever by throwing a frag grenade through that small window on the roof (the one in the little tower thing) and had his grenade land right on the hostage's lap.

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>>385132946
>Cav

>>385132665

His speed is good for aggression and his crossbow is a useful gadget if you use it right: Smoke bolts for re-positioning yourself if they know where you are and spicy bolts are for area denial. Use them to block off the objective room doorway and keep the defenders out while you secure/plant/capture hostage or even just shoot them on top of the defuser to make it untouchable.

>>385132665
Basically just an area denial. Don't expect to get kills with it, but the fire can force campers to move or prevent someone from leaving a room. The smoke can be very useful to cover your team trying to infiltrate a room or pass door/halls where enemies might be watching. Particularly useful if your team can stealthily grab a hostage or defuse to obstruct their view of it or ability to pursue.

>>385132946
Hibana is useful but not essential. Thermite is fine.

Valkyrie is good but not always a game changer.

Buck is useful but Sledge is normally a a better pick

Cav is shit

Mira is useful but really not necessary

>>385133372

Hibana is better than thermite

>>385131064
Bandit's SMG hits like a truck. The recoil makes sense to me, and I think I've gotten used to it over time. Don't play much of Thermite though.

>game is meant to be slowpaced and with some thinking
>the guarenteed way to win is to run and gun
just like MGO3

>>385133372

You just confirmed you have no idea what you're talking about.

Hibana can open more lines of sight, or up to 3 hatches and doesn't need to get close to the door. Plus her gun is a headshot machine despite the low ammo count and she has one of the best sidearms in the game.

Never underestimate the power of additional cameras, especially when you have a team that listens and does callouts.

Slade and buck both have their uses, but the ability to have 0 delay between opening a muderhole and having your rifle ready to fire is really powerful.

Cav is definitely less powerful against a good team, but shit is an underestimate of her in a good players hands because of her speed and ability to move quietly. Just her interrogations don't tend to happen that often but when they do they're a godsend.

Mira has a shit ton of utility. Being able to see what the attackers are doing outside without any risk to yourself is very handy and combo's well with a bandit who plans to trick thermite or hibana.

>>385133534
Nope. Thermite's charges are faster to detonate. Hibana's are better for creating multiple small windows to shoot through than making a door for your team. They also can't kill an enemy right on the other side like Thermite's can. And can be shot from the other side. She also has less armor.

>>385133534
I never said she wasn't but you can get by just fine with Thermite.

>>385133824

Speed doesn't matter when the detonation is uninterruptible once it begins. You have the wrong idea on how useful a door is compared to a line of sight. Lines of sight are almost always more useful.

>>385133748
Such things happen when the time to kill is incredibly tiny and headshots drop you in one shot regardless of armor or the amount of walls between you and the source

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>>385132967
I've had to stop myself self from doing that exact thing so many times
>pull pin on frag and cooking
>realize I'm about to throw it right at the hostage
>mfw

Anyone know if you can get the elite uniforms from the loot packs or do ubisoft still want to Jew you on them?

>>385134059
You can switch weapons while cooking a grenade and it won't explode.

>>385132967
Did they fix the problem with Fuze's hockey pucks flying everywhere and killing people outside of the room?

>>385133824

Speed of the charge doesn't really matter. You'll get bandit tricked regardless. Also 3 speed is the best stat in the game. Shame on you for thinking that armor matters.

Hibana AND thermite need to be in the squad if you want the best composition. But if you only run with one, hibana is: faster, more firepower, more versatile gadget, safer gadget to use.

Thermite is literally outclassed, though every good team should be running both.

>>385128876
Lions dont lose sleep over the opinions of sheep

>>385134258
most likely you can't drop them

>>385134424
Armor is FAR more important than speed. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Also, the bandit trick doesn't work if either of them are already activated, only if they're planted and undetonated and Hibana's is both slower to activate and louder, meaning it does give a longer window for bandit to pull it off.

>>385134258
I believe items that are labeled as part of bundles like the elite skins are not drops.

>>385133824
>Thermite's charges are faster to detonate
Non-issue really
>Hibana's are better for creating multiple small windows to shoot through than making a door for your team
You're confirming Hibana is better than Thermite since murderholes are better. Plus the fact Hibana is a 3 speed, she can quickly approach from a different part of the map without needing a door from Thermite. Her gadget can't be Bandit tricked either
>They also can't kill an enemy right on the other side like Thermite's can
Literally not the point of either character's gadget
>And can be shot from the other side
What?
>She also has less armor.
Speed > armor. How do you not know this?

>yfw Ranked is still beta after Operation: Health
>mfw i have no face cause on mobile.

>>385134665

Holy shit kill yourself, you're probably one of the fags in this thread complaining about one hit kill headshots. Armor means dick in this game.

>>385134393
I was playing defense on Kanal, defending boat supplies.
>1v1 fuze vs my cav
>sneak up behind fuze
>2nd floor office above supplies
>decide to let him fuze
>start following him around the room for a funny kill cam
>a puck a floor below me explodes killing me through the floor
>standing 2ft from fuze
>he takes no damage

OPERATION HEALTH

>>385134665

Bandit trick works even when thermites charge is going off.

>>385134665
>Armor > Speed
Not with the current hitboxes it isn't.

I thought about buying it but which version? The 1499 one was tempting but I'm not sure

>>385135032
DO NOT BUY THE STARTER EDITION
(To find out why, read OP FAQ right below this, under "Which edition should I buy?" section)

>/r6g/ FAQ, Guide, and Links (Newfriends, read this first before asking questions)
http://pastebin.com/Wi0PwtYw

>>385135032
You'll regret it. Having a diverse pool of operators is important.
Grinding thousands upon thousands of renown isn't worth it.

>>385135264
Thanks man

>>385112005
Blacklist was released at a horrible time and had pretty bad marketing. Such a shame.

>>385135032
Wait until the base version goes on sale. Which happens quite often.