NV > 1 > 2 > 4 > 3 Old World Blues > Honest Hearts

>>385082825
3 is much better than 4, despite it's flaws

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>NV over 1 or 2
>Penis Fingers the best
HAHAHAHHAHAHA

1 > 2 => NV > Tactics > 3 > 4 > Brotherhood

Lonesome Road > Dead Money > Penis Fingers > Muh indians

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>>385082825
2 > 1 = NV > 3 > 4

>>385082825
>Im a highschooler and New Vegas was my first fallout

2>1>3>=NV>4

>>385083032
>it's old so it's good
kys

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>>385082825
>>385083032
>>385083048
>>385083158
>>385083160

>Implying this isn't the best fallout game ever made.

>>385083168
>it's old so it isn't the best
kys yourself

>>385083168
No, you underage faggot. It's better so it's rated higher

>>385083168
Fallout 1 is one of the finest games ever made, fucking play it please.

>>385083048
Try editing it so it has a kernel of truth to it that gets extrapolated. For example, use the bugs in unpatched NV as part of the tier's name. Right now this bait is far too weak.

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>>385083158
I don't know if you're actually baiting or whatever the fuck is ever going on in a Fallout thread anymore but this matches my preference so hey there buddy.

>>385083505
More like Cunt City!

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2>NV>3>1>4

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>>385083048
this so hard

NV=4>3>1=2

>>385083505
Here's a short guide on Fallout rating posts
>If F1 or F2 is top-1
>then respectable opinion
>If NV is top-1
>then underage opinion
>If any other is top-1
>then shameless bait

>>385082825
>4 better than anything
Gr8 b8 m8

NV> 1>=2 >tactics>>>>>>>>>>4>>>>>>>>>>vault tec meme app>>>>>>>BoS

>>385083946
t. NMA

>>385082825
How can one person be this wrong?

Dead Money > Lonesome Road > Honest Hearts >>>>> Old World Blues

1 > 2 = NV > 3 > 4

>>385084039
I don't understand this abbreviation, care to break it down for me?

>>385084145
No mutants allowed

a bunch of purist cuntbags

>>385084145
Niggers Must Advance

>>385082825
NV > 4 > 3 > 1 >>>>>> 2

>>385083715
I wipe them every playthrough. It's satisfying.
Especially I like to break both legs of the first bitch, then kill everybody else in the location and then come back and slowly kill her with something that I lack the skill of using.

>>385082825
Fallout fucking sucks

>>385082825
What about Point Lookout and The Pitt? You're gonna rank one of the game's DLCs

>>385084342
Yeah well you smell and you have a dumb face

>>385084420
To be fair, NV is literally the best in the entire series and only underage redditors disagree with that.

>>385084194
Oh right I forgot they existed.

>>385084204
more like Niggers in My Asshole

>>385083032
I actually agree LR is the best dlc, it's severely underrated.

It's linear in that it doesn't offer sidequests, but the area is open and has lots of optional exploration unlike DM. The atmosphere is really good and the world is crafted really well. The loot is fun to use and cool. The story is also great until you actually meet Ulysses and he gives his best bull schtick.

But the biggest thing LR has going for it is the challenge. It was hard and actually could kill you (unlike HH). However it didn't resort to cheesy tactics like speakers/radios like Dead Money and demanded skill instead of trial and error savescumming. Also, it supported a variety of build, unlike OWB which mostly provided opportunities for Eweps melee and science.

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>>385084420
It's actually been so long that I don't remember Fallout 3's DLC that much. I remember enjoying them though.
I should play through the series again.

>>385083160
>Im a highschooler and New Vegas was my first fallout
A lot of people get nostalgia goggles and rose tinted glasses when they rate their first game of the series so I'm glad to see you rate it fourth in spite of the fact it was your first. I dunno why you mentioned you were in hs tho, good luck next year.

>>385084039
In what way is it really wrong though? FO3 has garbage writing, shit gunplay, and middling character agency. NV has writing about up there with the originals (which I'd rate square in the center of "good" if on a scale) but the same shit gunplay, and slightly better character agency.

The best of the series is still 1 and 2 in terms of the things that matter in the series. Best writing, best control of your character's actions, and best gameplay.

And no I am not saying any one of those aspects in FO1 and 2 are particularly great. They just worked well together and 3/NV are missing elements that would make them as cohesive.

>>385084487
NV is a better game than 4 by a long shot, but Far Harbor is miles ahead of any NV dlc in story, scope, world design, questing, and combat.

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Best Fallout rolling through

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>>385084812
>buy the season pass go-, I mean guy!

>>385084756
We understood that you're underage from your first post, no need to push it further my man

>tfw haven't played Fallout 1 and 2

NV > 4 > 3

>>385085052
you're*
You're the one who said he was in high school, just sayin.

>>385085235
>you're
what

And no, I'm a different anon just decided to put my two cents in

>>385085461
>>385085052
>>385083160
samefag

>>385085112
Get them, my man.

1 > NV > 3 > 4 > 2

>>385085112
Fallout 2 is a meme game. 1 isn't as good to play as it is to watch. look up wolfycub's playthrough on YouTube, it's a better overall experience. NV is trash btw

3>4>1>Dogshit>2>Aids>NV

>>385085671
4=3>1>>>Dogshit>2>>AIDS>>Ebola>Rape>>>>>>>>>>>>>NV

FTFY

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>>385085647
Wow.
That's definitely a new one.

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>>385085647
>look up wolfycub's playthrough on YouTube, it's a better overall experience.

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Fallout Tactics is underrated as fuck.

>>385085884
>>385085981
wolfycub's commentary makes sitting through a otherwise drab, boring experience worth it

>>385085573
>>385085112
>>385084290

If you didn't experience multiplayer in 1 and 2 your opinion has no value

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Dead Money > Old World Blues > Lonesome Road > Honest Hearts

All other opinions are pleb tier.

>>385086035
Not really. I doubt anybody here actually things that Tactics is a bad game. No, it's actually pretty good. But it has nothing to do with fallout, so it's kinda frowned upon by fans.
I think it might just be the source of that one "it's a good game just not good X game" meme.
I love it.

>>385084484
Yeah well my house has a million bafrooms

>>385086463
>it has nothing to do with fallout

Don't be that guy.

>>385086461
that's just retarded though

did you confuse what > and < mean

>>385086461
Dead Money is only good because the writing and funky setting. Level design is terrible and the whole dlc is linear as fuck.
But granted characters and the plot is great

>>385083125

AND YOU MAY FIND YOURSELF

>>385086461
I agree with this. I cannot understand why anyone liked Honest Hearts. It was so fucking boring.

Oh no, some dumbass tribals are fighting and the only reason I'm even here is because I took a caravan job. Whoopee. I guess the scenery is kind of nice.

The only thing i can think about right now that i hate about 4, is the fact you can hear/see your character. I make a badass looking character and he sounds like a fucking faggot, dialogue options are shit aswell.

>>385086789
I like the voices. More voice options a la Saints Row would be nice, but I thought the two we got were pretty good.

The actual dialog options were disappointing though.

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>>385086789
WARNING: HIGHLY CONTROVERSIAL OPINION: 4 is shit.

>>385082825
1&2 shouldn't be classed with the rest, they're basically different games altogether in the same setting/premise

otherwise 4>NV>3 simply because gameplay comes before story and 4's has a number of improvements over 3 & NV despite it's flaws in the writing department.
just don't think what i said means 4 is 10/10 or some shit.

>>385086591
But it is true though. It is "Fallout" only in name. It has nothing of which made fallout games so damn good. No freedom of play, no variety of ways to progress, no memorable characters, jeez it doesn't even have dialogues at all. It's not an rpg and the plot is completely isolated. The only connecting point is origin of pulse rifle I guess but even that is more of a fanservice.

It is a good game though

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>>385087005

>>385087005
look lads, an actual retard

>>385084487
NV is actually the prefered fallout of underage redditos, maily because they are right at the age where retarded choices like legion and NCR appeal to them and they fall for the illusion of choice the game provides.

>>385085647
t. wolfycub

>>385087080
In that sense fallout 4 isn't a fallout game

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>>385083048

Here, I fixed it.

>>385087176
4 was your first game, we get it. Now go back to r/vidya

>>385082825
Correct on everything except 3 is better than 4. 4 is garbage.

>>385087005
Sure the gunplay is improved a bit but the lack of any RPG elements makes it pretty fucking boring

>>385087218
Add another DLC and maybe even a mod to the ranking and it's perfect

>>385087252
4 may have been my first game but its better then NV. I was just returning your insult but honestly I don't see what all the hubbub is about reddit being bad. It's better then this shithole that worships NV

>>385087143
>>385087165
go ahead, tell me how fallouts 3 and NV are mechanically superior to 4 in any way.
reminder that all of them are glitchy, buggy messes with game breaking shit left and right.

>>385087282
Uhm sorry bro "gamepaly" means when you press the buttons and shoot the gun? you fucking retard?

>>385087218
Be sure to include Nuka World before Fallout 3

>>385087282
That doesn't fucking matter at all NVfag. F4 vastly improved and streamlined the weapon and weapon mod variety in the DLC. It feels polished and it was definitely worth the price for the season pass.

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>>385087196
And it isn't.

>>385087143
>>385087165
see
>>385087080

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New Vegas > 2 > 1 > 3 > 4
Dead Money > Lonesome Road > Old World Blues > Honest Hearts


>>385085112
Play them.
They are so very much worth it if you loved New Vegas.

>>385087462

>it doesn't matter that Bethesda took out the RPG elements in an RPG

>>385087080
>But it is true though

no, you're just being a smarmy faggot for some reason I can't figure out

it is not Fallout only in name. it takes place in the same setting, featuring many of the same factions and equipment and culture.

what you should've said is "it's not a traditional Fallout RPG" if you wanted to not sound like a douche nozzle

>>385087425
4 mildly improves on the combat of NV but strips away all weapon variety and diluted the weapon mod system to a laughable extent. The whole game is a mile wide and an inch deep. Gameplay only matters to an extent, games shouldn't be movies but if the game has good gameplay but no reason to keep playing it's a bad game.

>>385087425
Better dialogue
Better setting
Better music
Better weapons
Better factions
Better Companions
Better Vaults
Better quests
Better villains

>>385087252
let me guess, your first was NV.

>>385087282
depends on what you mean by rpg elements. you equip weapons and armor, you can mod them, there's crafting, you can up your special when you level, which would be somewhat comparable to upping base stats. what elements do you feel are missing?

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>>385087315

this technically covers both

>>385087726
>Call of Duty is an RPG

>>385087726
Nope it was 1, nice try though newfag.

>>385084687
Because 2 of them are just cod but way worse and onde is just a poorly excuse for a postgame.

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>this fucking meme that Fo4 improved the gunplay
They added in recoil and removed spread
So much improvement

Meanwhile-
Ammo types GONE
Mods are just +stat besides a couple unique mods
They sound fucking terrible
Most of them are backwards (bolt position etc)

Gunplay doesn't mean "My shot went exactly where my crosshair was aimed" unless you're a fucking pleb

>>385087608
fuckin told

>>385087603
btfo

Honestly, I hated Fallout 4 until I played it.

It's certainly not a good fallout game, presumably, and the lore/storytelling/rpg aspects are all bad, but the core gameplay isn't complete dogshit.

The FPS gameplay is now "passable" instead of "comparable to a 5 dollar bargain bin game from 2002", and the settlement building, while buggy and unfinished, actually gives a reason to do things besides kill and travel to new talky people, and something to use all the random garbage for.

It's probably my favorite to play out of all of them.

I'd really love to see Obsidian get a shot, using Fallout 4's engine.

I liked New Vegas for a while, but holy shit, after a while it just became a godawful chore to play, and apparently I can only get strung along by plot and lore for so long before I drop it.

Fallout 3 is the bottom of the pack by miles.

1 and 2 are old crpgs, so as much as I might respect them, I can't handle playing them these days.

>>385087595
Well alright, let's rename BoS to, say, Knights of the Wasteland and all equipment\location names to something unrelated to Fallout setting. It changes absolutely nothing because none of it has any value in the game. In F1 and 2 factions matter for gameplay, historical background matters for gameplay, lore matters for gameplay because you form your opinion and choose course of action\progression based on those things. And that's a huge part of gameplay in Fallout 1 and 2.
In Tactics, you have very specific goals and ways to progress, you need to rely on gear stats, your combat stats and other tactical aspects. Setting can be anything and it won't matter for the overall experience beyond the "oh nice reference there" point.

>>385088209
>I AM SILLY!

>>385087912
Didn't they also make it so you can't craft ammo unless you have an add-on? What a load of shit.

>>385088209
Jesus lol. No way anyone could actually think this.

>>385088209
Keep posting it buddy, I'm sure eventually someone else will save it and try to mildly annoy people over the internet with it too. Maybe then you'll be happy

>>385088128

So get game play mods for NV

Mods cant change 4 being written by Emil, but they can change NV's gameplay.

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What now NVfags?

>>385088209
Everytime, remember to post that wall of text pic too.

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>>385088281
>Didn't they also make it so you can't craft ammo unless you have an add-on?

Forgot about that.
That shit sucked ass too.

I really liked being able to take apart Bullets I didn't use to make bullets for the Guns I liked a lot.
It doesn't feel as good to sell the ammo I don't use to buy ammo I use.
I really miss Gun condition and Jamming as well.


I mean, at least it's easier to make pretty girls in 4?

>>385087608
>Better dialogue
yo Lanius you should just fucking leave
>Better setting
if you look to your left you can see some desert, and to your right, more desert.
>Better weapons
such as? 4 not only has more variety, they're more customizable as well. i can't remember a single weapon in NV that either isn't straight up the same or was replaced by something better in 4, barring melee/unarmed choices.
>Better factions
true by virtue of them being less polarizing than 4's.
>Better Companions
debatable. Raul, ED-E and Rex are cool, Boone is useful but his story is shit. the rest really aren't that memorable.
>Better Vaults
actually both lose to 3. Gary is goat.
>Better quests
such as?
>Better villains
what villains? there's Benny and then the rest are mostly faction-dependant.

>>385088209
Oh shit, He's got a mspaint comic, watch out guys.

>>385087726
>depends on what you mean by rpg elements
Literally role playing. The better you can express your vision of your character and the closer you can get your ingame incarnation to the idea of your character that you have - the better is rpg.
This includes, in short
>dialogue options
>impact on the world
>consequences of your actions and inactions
>freedom of progressing aka variety of ways to solve problem X

>>385087806
3, NV and 4 aren't RPGs though. they're ARPGs at best, shooters with some RPG elements at worse. only idiots like you think otherwise.

also, do remind me how prominent stats and dialogue choices are in CoD you moron.

>>385088325
I spent hours and hours modding New Vegas when I played it. Changed everything, but the fact that it was using Bethesda's impossibly garbage Oblivion-Era Gamebryo Engine makes it impossible to fix. Even with the best mods around, New Vegas's gunplay is still just "Fallout 3 but with ADS" at it's core, the people still all look like downs syndrome potatoes, and even the best texture mods and ENBs around can't make any of it look good. Even if you fuck around with arcane bullshit to make your character's face not abysmal, it just becomes uncanny valley as hell.

FO4 is just better to make fun to play and easy to look at.

I'll still cherish my runthrough of NV and it's DLC, and acknowledge that Obisidian made an amazing product with what they had. My favorite character in the series is from a New Vegas DLC. New Vegas had the best music, too. Also quests that hide the fact that they are just "Go do this and grab that while killing all these", unlike 4 which disguises it so badly that you mistake real quests for radiant quests and vice versa. These are all why I'd love an Obsidian-Made FO4 spinoff.

But the point is, I can't go back and play New Vegas for the same reason I can't go back and play Fallout 3, Morrowind, Oblivion or Skyrim. They're just garbage.

I don't know what devilish pact todd howard took to make Fallout 4 just marginally better at everything related to gameplay than their previous works, but it worked. It took a hell of a lot of duct tape, but i'm impressed in an obscene, inexplicable way.

2 > 1 > NV > 3 > 4
Dead Money > Old World Blues > Lonesome Road > Honest Hearts

>>385088614
>4 not only has more variety

HAHAHAHA

New Vegas has like 3x as many guns as ALL weapons available in Fo4.

Add in New Vegas Melee weapons and it gets ridiculous

>>385088780
What's it like being retarded?

>>385088813
A player of patrician taste.

>>385088824
And they all sound the same, do around the same amount of damage besides outliers, and have the same animation sets.

Add in the melee weapons and these similarities become ridiculous.

>>385088789
>But the point is, I can't go back and play New Vegas for the same reason I can't go back and play Fallout 3, Morrowind, Oblivion or Skyrim. They're just garbage.

That's your failure, not the game.
I recently started a new Playthrough of New Vegas after like 400 hours of Fo4 and I still love and enjoy NV a lot.

Anyone who rates 3 above 4 is a fucking stunted brainlet. Rate 1, 2 and New Vegas above 4 if you want, sure. But 3 is just as bad as 4 at 4's worst parts, and leagues worse than 4 at it's best.

>>385088789
>it looks better
>shoot like cod
Just stick with cod.

>>385088924
>And they all sound the same

You're trolling now.
Fo4's weapon sounds are even more samey and pathetic than New Vegas.
Even fucking worse if you add a suppressor

>>385088780
NV is much more of an rpg than 3 and 4 with just one simple trick: quests have more than 2 different solutions. Claiming NV isn't a rpg is admitting you have no idea what are you talking about.

>>385088968
>Wow if you can't enjoy a badly made game enough to ignore the shit to get the gold, that's your fault and not the game.

I'm sorry, and can admit maybe you have more patience for total garbage engines, but all the great dialogue and questlines in the world can't make New Vegas's core gameplay fun.

>>385089007
Wow, how dare I prefer that a thing look less like garbage and control less like garbage.

>>385088650
that's not what role playing is though.

and besides the last one, all of those have been lacking since after 2.

>>385089217

>it's not like the thing I consider to be good and the standard therefore it's garbage because I am objective
Nope.

>>385089149
>>385089217
>it's bad because it isn't like cod enough
Sure, just play cod and go away then.

>>385088893
you tell me. also take the oportunity and tell everyone what it's like sucking cock all day.

>>385089217
It's ok to prefer cod to fallout, you just like different kind of entertainment in videogames, it's all good man. I too like pretty things that feel good to control, but I value gameplay more.

Why was I able to finish desert simulator in a shitty old engine while I dropped 4 in the middle of the game? Was 4 really that boring and shitty?

>>385089364
ask your mother

>>385089256
>that's not what role playing is though
How so? Elaborate

>all of those have been lacking since after 2
Agree, but NV did a commendable effort to bring back at least a portion of it.

>>385082825
3 is better than NV tho. And NV wouldnt even exist without 3.

>>385089443
>Was 4 really that boring and shitty?

Writing is terrible
Hard to stay invested at all.
Factions are barely different and the outcome is barely different

The only way to enjoy Fallout 4 is to ignore the plot completely and play it as a Base Building/Survival "Sim" with mods

>>385089256

I'd say that consequence for inaction was the only one missing from NV actually

>>385089551
>And NV wouldnt even exist without 3.

how is that an argument

>>385089116
you can end quests in multiple ways in 4 too. see old world blues for an example. so what?
the RPG genre isn't and never was defined by how many ways you have to end a quest. in many classic RPGs games like classic FFs you have literally only one way to progress in the main quest. unless you're saying RPGs aren't RPGs

>>385089443
I 100% Fallout 4 and it's an awful game. One playthrough is all you need, if you can finish. Also as an avid CoD player this game is to stiff and to slow to be CoD-like. Nothing in this piece of shit is worthy of praise.

>>385089443
Yes, it's that bad.
I have thousands of combined hours in 1/2/3/NV and I can barely get past 90 hours in 4. I knew something was wrong from the beginning when I started it but I didn't expect to be that apathetic and put-off by it barely even halfway through.

>>385089327
I don't fucking like Call of Duty. I played maybe 3 hours of Call of Duty 2 when it was contemporary.

Fallout 3 and New Vegas have the gunplay of a cheap bargain bin no-name publisher FPS from 2003. The people have faces like rotund potatoes. There aren't animations for running diagonally.

There is no one in the world who has a preference for the combat mechanics and visual rendering of 3 and New Vegas that isn't being delusional, nostalgic, or retarded. Sure, Fallout 4 has less ammo types, less weapons, and things like that. But it doesn't matter when combat in those games is like playing a poorly coded mod to add guns to Oblivion.

Sure, you can mod them to have slightly less garbage combat, but you can also mod 4 to add more weapons and ammo types.

Fallout 4 just has superior basic gunplay and more modern, stylized visuals that are less atrocious. That's a fucking fact.

I won't deny that New Vegas is a better Fallout game, and has better RPG elements by miles. Loads of the visual design is better, too, even if the engine they had to realize it let the designs down.

New Vegas might be a better game, but I enjoy the moment to moment gameplay of 4 more, and saying "Wow CoD Kiddie xD" doesn't ring true.

As for 3, anyone who argues in favor of 1, 2 and New Vegas over 4 and then says 3 is still better than was dropped on their head as a child. 3 is 4 but uglier and worse gameplay without even having the good parts of New Vegas.

>>385089551
Videogames in general and Fallout franchise in particular would've been so much better if Fallout 3 didn't exist.
Just sayin'

>>385089473
i'd wager she could learn some tricks from you, faggots are like fat people, they gotta compensate.

>>385083048
What's your favorite video game?

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>>385089714
>the RPG genre isn't and never was defined by how many ways you have to end a quest. in many classic RPGs games like classic FFs you have literally only one way to progress in the main quest

>>385089830
>Fallout 4 just has superior basic gunplay and more modern, stylized visuals that are less atrocious. That's a fucking fact.

Nah >>385087912

>>385089881
Remember Me

>>385089830
>gameplay = combat

>>385087080
Yeah, it's not an RPG, hence the subtitle "Tactics".

I don't know what the fuck people expected from that game. It never claimed to be an entry in the main series and did exactly what it said it would on the fucking box.

>>385089708
Because NV is mostly reused FO3 assets and engine

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>>385089603

No fucking kidding about the factions in fallout 4. the antagonist faction doesn't even have a motivation.

>>385090058
how does that matter though?

>>385090070
>the antagonist faction doesn't even have a motivation.

BUT YOU CAN BE THE BOOGYMAN IF YOU PICK THEM!!
EVILPLAYTHROUGH!

The hacks at beth wrote them to do a bunch of bad shit like replace people, kill your spouse, etc to make you dislike them.

They're the twisting mustache villain

>>385089996
The only other measurable aspect to Fallout games since 3, other than combat, is dialogue.

>>385089993
The "Nah" post is literally just "Wow some of these animations are bad, wow this bolt action is the wrong way around, wow, we don't have AP Rounds!". Even with those things, the 3/New Vegas engine games play worse. That's all there is to it. Sure, Fallout 4 would be better with those things fixed. I never claimed Fallout 4 was some sort of fucking paragon at gunplay - It's one of the worst games of it's year for that. But it's better than anything else Bethesda has made.

>>385089550
>How so? Elaborate
i was merely nitpicking since role playing would typically refer to your role within a party such as tank, even if that is no longer how it's used.

>>385089918
nice anime image, may i save it while i wait for you to formulate an actual argument?

>>385090280
You're a retard. Role-playing literally just means altering your behavior to assume a role.

>>385090280
Roleplaying as a term existed before the roles of Tank, DPS, Healer, etc were invented/codified. It existed before video games.

>>385090198

Guns in 4 sound like shit
Variety fucking sucks
No Ammo types
All Guns usable by all builds regardless of Str or Gun skill
No Condition or Jamming


4 just added recoil and took out spread as it existed.
All 4 did was make shots land where you crosshair is within your given range for people who couldnt understand NV.
My shots all land where I am in NV because I'm not a blundering retard who knows how to use Spread/GunSkill/Movement/Kneeling etc


Removed all Gun porn from NV to make Fallout 4 a fucking Dumbed down FPS corridor shooter in an open world.

Fuck you.

>>385090450
And barely any videogame so far can present the player with roleplaying possibilities even remotely as vast as in, say tabletop d&d session. Because there you're only limited by basic mechanical rules and sanity of your game master.
We've had some serious shit back in the day

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>the games that don't give 2 shits about Fallout 1 and 2 are called Fallout 3 and 4
>the game that actually gives a shit about classic Fallout and tries to build on their stories is called New Vegas
why is this allowed

grandpa is going to start talking about d&d again...

>>385090824
nobody who plays d&d will ever be a grandpa.

>>385090775

But the good games get as close to this as possible.
Fallout is not even close.

The most RPG thing in 4 is dialogue options and THOSE are gutted to Yes, TELL A JOKE LOL, Maybe, No.

It's pretty infuriating that the SARCASTIC option is just the writers forcing jokes into dialogue

>>385090861

>he doesn't play D&D with his white wife and white daughter
cuck

>>385090945
did you play board games with your teddy bears too

>>385082825
>>385082901
Correct.
>>385083032
Lonesome Road is SHIT. SHIIIIIIITTTTT!!!!!!!!!! COMPLETE FUCKING GARBAGE FROM BEGINNING TO END AND ONLY HELD UP BY THE FANTASTIC BUILD UP IT HAD IN THE DLC THAT WERE ACTUALLY GREAT! FUCK YOU!

>>385090892
>Yes, TELL A JOKE LOL(Yes), Maybe (What? Yes), No. (Yes)
FTFY

>>385090382
what you gave is the general definition, but if you look at it from the perspective of gaming, from back when it was first used, you'll notice the focus isn't on whether you're some fag elf or an emo human, but whether you're the mage or the guy with a kinfe. Mario wouldn't become an RPG if you could talk down Bowser or throw peach into the lava, it'd still be a platformer.
you being an evil asshole Courier or a nice guy Courier doesn't change the fact you are the Courier, who is just a fag with a weapon killing or talking down anyone who gets in his way.

>>385089714
JRPGs aren't WRPGs

>>385090990
Replace "no" with "sarcastic yes"

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>>385090892
>Fallout is not even close
Nigga Fallout 2 is the closest thing to a true RPG that ever existed in videogame medium. And Fallout 4 is not even an rpg by videogame standards, hence the banter we are having in this thread

>rpg codex shitters pretending obsidian can into even basic game design

>>385090657
At least it doesn't feel like fumbling, janky garbage.
The Condition system was fucking stupid. Guns don't magically do less damage because they wear down, they just stop working.
The variety is partially made up for by the visually distinct mods.
Ammo types is arguable, I never considered it that important but it missing is a flaw, yes.
Guns in 3 and most in New Vegas sound like garbage, too.
Yeah, the lack of restrictions and skills suck, too, so another point.

But if you're really saying that New Vegas is "Gun Porn", you either modded it to hell or you're stupid. Only one weapon in New Vegas was well modelled, textured and had good enough sounds to be 'Gun Porn'. Real guns don't have wildly unpredictable spread, nor do they roll dice with your "Gun Skill" to determine if the bullet hits the thing you're aiming DIRECTLY AT, or if they just veer off like you're curving bullets like the movie Wanted. Dice Rolls for accuracy have no place in a first person game.

Honestly, I think the world would be better if Fallout was never turned into a first person shooter "Action RPG", and was kept as an isometric crpg.

But as it is, Fallout 4 has better action gameplay. It just drops the ball on the RPG part. If New Vegas was made with 4's engine - everything besides the engine was the exact same as New Vegas as we know it - it'd be a far better game.

>>385091076

Meant to type 4.
typo.

>>385084790
I'm willing to accept those who rate 1&2 above NV because they are very different games and that's just a matter of taste. Anyone who rates 3&4 over NV is a fucking moron and I hope they get trapped under a fucking boulder for three days without a drop of water MAYBE THEN YOU'LL APPRECIATE THE ATMOSPHERE.

I don't know if Fallout 4 is an RPG or whatever but I think it's pretty clear that Bethesda wants to make more of an explore, shoot and loot type of game than an RPG

Perhaps they will make a game called Fallout: Subtitle the next time they revisit the franchise, cut down dialogue options even further and so on?


Will they ever let someone else develop a spinoff again?
I'm not sure if I would want Obsidian to do but someone other than Bethesda would be nice

>>385091121
>Honestly, I think the world would be better if Fallout was never turned into a first person shooter "Action RPG", and was kept as an isometric crpg.

Literally the only point you made that I agree with

The only thing 4 did better was Power Armor and less stick character animations

>>385091243
All good my man, agree with you. Sorry I sperged out like that, it's just the course of the thread y'know

>>385091280
Obisdian did a nice job, they should just hang over F4 and let them do what they did with F3

>>385082825
I don't know. Dead Money was nuts.

>>385091121
But that's incorrect gunplay was still awful. It fails as an rpg and it fails as an fps. I can play literally anything else even Borderlands did better in both aspects.

>>385090990
No is more "I'll say yes later."

>>385091121

Good Gunplay Trash story - Destiny
Bad Gunplay Bad Story - Fallout 4

>>385086716
The Burned Man and The Father. It's about an exploration into the structure of mythos and it's impact on society i.e. a core theme of the fallout games. Much better than the claptrap gravelly-voiced-masked-man was spouting about couriers.

>>385091121
NV doesn't have dice rolls for accuracy, just 3 has that.

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>>385091260
There's this old picture I really love that is just so on point about fallout atmosphere. Here it is

Translation: If you don't see anything then you don't understand the wastelands.

>>385091531

he probably tries to backpedal and fire at the same time while standing

>>385091337
Marginally better animations is a big step forward. All Bethesda engine animations before Fallout 4 are the worst by any big name developer in history. Just absolute garbage. Even the "barely passable" animations in 4 make the game so much less grating.

>>385091454
It fails less as an FPS than Fallout 3 and New Vegas. I never said it had /good/ gameplay, just better than Bethesda's average. I'll agree that almost everything else is better. I'll disagree with Borderlands, though. Gearbox games can die in a fire.

>>385091526
Good Story Worse Gunplay - New Vegas
Worse Gunplay Worse Story Fallout 3
I'm not saying Fallout 4 is better than any contemporary games on these points, for fuck's sake. Just that bethesda's old iteration of Gamebyro was so frustratingly abysmal that even the small steps forward 4 made are trucking miracles for Bethesda's incompetent staff.

>>385091586
>Hurrrrr he probably just is le bad at game xD.
Fuck off. Maybe i'm remembering the intricacies of Fallout 3 and New Vegas a bit, but either way, the animations of New Vegas are still so fucking bad that none of the shooting is satisfying, even when you hit.

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I played New Vegas and I liked it.
3 and 4 don't seem worth playing.

Should I go back and play Fallout 1 and 2?

Fallout 1 would be my first isometric RPG of that sort, is there something else in the genre I should play first or is this a good entry?

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>would you rather take RPG elements and shitty gunplay or no RPG elements and a bit less shitty gunplay

>>385091738
Fallout is entry level thought.

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Old World Blues is Reddit tier. 5 hours of fetchquests and campy, terrible humor. Worst add on.

>>385091738
Loads of classic rpgs are fantastic
Idk why people are afraid of isometric stuff
And no one talks about Ultima

>>385091823
I love CoD so 4 is better.

>>385091864
Atleast the writing wasn't that bad.

>>385091864
All of the games were campy as fuck you stupid green tampon.

>>385091738

4 can be very fun with survival mods as an open world survival game.
You should absolutely play 1 and 2 if you liked NV.

Understand that 1 and 2 can be a bit frustrating at first going back.
But you quickly become accustomed to the controls.

1 and 2 play MUCH more like a traditional RPG than even NV.

>>385091884
I'm not really afraid of it I think, it's just not a genre I have any experience with

That stuff was before my time and I don't know anyone who is into that type of game and can provide me with sage advice

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>>385091721

Stop whining fag, literally "mods can fix it" applies to NV because it's only flaws are technical.

>>385091738
As good entry as any. Pretty much every isometric crpg plays and feels the same, there hardly is any easy entry point for someone who missed those kind of games back in the day.
Just play it and give it a chance

You can try something newer like Underrail or even Pillars of Eternity, although the latter can ease you into Baldur's Gate much better. And yes you should play both anyway because they're good

>>385091978
>I don't know anyone who is into that type of game and can provide me with sage advice

I just played 1 and 2 for the first time this month after never playing an old Isometric CRPG and had a fucking BLAST playing them.

Aask me anything regarding concerns.
imo the games are absolutely worth playing if you're into Fallout

NV is my favorite game ever and 2 quickly became one of my top 5

>>385091721
I'm >>385091531

It seems that people group 3 and NV together as being "the same game but with different settings" but that's so fucking wrong.

What do you define as satisfying when it comes to shooting? The guns in NV actually fucking work compared to 3 because they're not all broken when you find them and you can fix them with other stuff.

>>385092025
Bullshit
Baulders gate 2 is probably the easiest entry

>>385092084
Not him but slowly making my way through them. 1 is kicking my ass, I feel that it's lacking alot of content and stuff to do that 2 seemed to rectify.

>>385091942

The dialogue was obnoxious. I don't know what you mean by the writing, there's hardly a story and there's no excuse for how boring this abandoned laboratory wonderland was. In Honest Hearts and Dead Money you pieced together an incredible underlying story just by reading fucking terminals.

>>385092084
>>385092025
>>385091972
>>385091850
Thanks lads, I'll play Fallout 1 when I have slaved away on my backlog some more

>>385092167
>I feel that it's lacking alot of content and stuff to do that 2 seemed to rectify.

I feel the same
But it's completely understandable seeing as 1 was a new IP with 2 being it's direct sequel

>>385092008
The best mods in the world can only add bandaids. You can't fix an entire body worth of broken bones with bandaids, just cover the oozing wounds. There are some things hard baked into the old Gamebryo engine that literally cannot be fixed by mods, and some of those things are really fucking obvious and terrible.

Besides, when you start adding all those fucking mods to fix the games glaring issues, you start running into problems like "Wow this game runs way worse now." and "Wow it's crashing EVEN MORE."

>>385092103
The guns in New Vegas are leagues better than 3, from my memory. They aren't fake-ass garbage looking things, you actually aim down sights, and they have less random variables. It's way better - Fallout 3 is by far the worst Fallout game. They still feel anemic to me, though. Something about the animations of firing and reloading them, mixed with the terrible movement animations and the way that enemies just shrug the gunfire off until they die or get a crippled limb makes it not very fun to me.

>>385092185
It wasn't black and white, that's, after muh burned man blues is the weakest dlc.

>>385092289
>"Wow it's crashing EVEN MORE."

NVAC and 4GNV make it crash a lot less than unmodded

>>385092147
Really? I don't know man, it's no less hardcore or demanding of player's involvement and attention as Fallout or Arcanum I'd say.

>>385082825
NV > 3 > 4 > Who cares?

OWB > DM > HH > LR

>>385092367
Sure, if it's just those mods. But not if you're also adding 247 more mods to fix shit.

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>>385092415

NV > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1

>>385092446
I meant in conjunction with all my QoL mods

>>385092289

You can get pretty close. You can add animations, you can retexture guns, cripple enemy mods...what can't you do to satisfy someone who's not ridiculously nitpicky?

>>385092362
>62 ▶
>>>385092185 (You)
>It wasn't black and white, that's, after muh burned man blues is the weakest dlc.
>>>
> Anonymous 07/25/17(Tue)03:38:25 No.385092367 ▶>>385092446
>>>385092289
>>"Wow it's crashing EVEN MORE."
>NVAC and 4GNV make it crash a lot less than unmodded
>>>
> Anonymous 07/25/17(Tue)03:38:40 No.385092379 ▶
>>>385092147

Honest Hearts is the best DLC for subsequent playthroughs. It's so fucking comfy. Joshua Graham and the Survivor's story are both fantastic. Easily 2nd best.

OWB is one and done shit, literally an annoying grind to get weapons or improve your base.

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>>385092746

>>385092746
>muh noble savages
Profiligate

>>385091721
>It fails less as an FPS than Fallout 3 and New Vegas.
This should never fucking be a goal of the Fallout brand. Fuck Bethesda for making "Player Agency in a Wasteland: The Game" into "ROOTY TOOTY TODD N' SHOOTY NUKES GAME LOL"

Joshua Graham is my favorite character in New Vegas!

His Voice Acting and Lines are Great!

I'm a sucker for Full Body Bandages!

I love the "Godly Paladin-esque man who isn't afraid to get dirty" archetype!

I love his outfit!

I love his love of 1911's!

>>385091584
How'd you get that out of Hnyero he bnanwb/3haynt tbl he nohnmaewb cytn piyctown?
Is this chinese?

>>385092869
Yes, I agree. But if it has to be a terrible Action RPG FPS game, i'd rather it be less of a drag to play on the FPS front.

>>385092881
I got more emotional impact from the survivalist journal entries tbqh senpai. Shit was tragic.

>>385093021
They are good, some amazing readable lore, and the fact that he isn't a badly voice-acted potato man works greatly in his favor.

>>385083258
Is a wever gaem, mang

>>385082825
What are some games similar to Fallout 1 and 2's perspective but also have ATB combat?

>>385093816
Overwatch, Dark Souls, Horizon Zero Dawn, Undertale and Stanley Parable.

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What are the best new vegas mods to motivate me to give it another playthrough after playing the fuck out of it unmodded?

>>385094012
Loli Lover, Realistic Genitalia, Honest Hearts Reloaded, Radscorpion Armour

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>>385094158
Does loli lover let me love lolis????

>>385094248
Yeah
It adds companions, poses/animations and romance quests.

>>385093954
You literally had no idea what I was asking for. In fact you purposefully did this.

>>385094763
t, World's Greatest Detective

>>385084342
Then why are you here?

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>>385093021
Fuck you for reminding me

Fucking NV fags
The game isn't bad but it's godawful gamebryo

>>385083258
this was the best game, man. this fallout and tactics, so good.

midwest BoS best BoS

>>385083715
you CAN kill every last motherfucker there you know? right?

it's also one of the ways a not high enough int/cha character can get access to all the gear there.

>>385084194

>ree i hate fallout and fallout should only be skyrim with guns for ever and ever reee

go go gadget fuck yourself, retard.

fucking children deciding all fallout has to be retarded like bethshit.

>>385086035
yea. no one ever mentions best fallout.
it's always,
>muh 3 / 4 / nv

>>385086463
HA HA HA. o wait, you're serious. LET ME LAUGH HARDER

>>385087080
it's a fallout game. full stop.

you don't have 'open world freedumb' because you're a part of the BoS and are under orders. fucking off on your own would be called GOING AWOL / DESERTION and Stealing brotherhood supplies (everything on you and your characters belongs to the BoS still)

>no dialogues
ok, now we know you never played that shit.

>no memorable characters
geez. the dumb is strong with you

>not an rpg
then fallout, fallout 2 aren't rpg's either.

>>385093954
Arcanum

>>385093816
whoops
>>385096338

Story/athmosphere = 1 > New vegas = 2 > fallout 4 > fallout 3

Gameplay= 4 > new vegas > 3 > 2 > 1

Not my opinion but a fact

Project Nevada or JSawyer?

>>385096338
>>385096386
Samefag

>>385096326
This post is too dumb for bait, or is it?

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>>385096650
Good job, have a Todd(male)

>>385096338
It looks so awful though. I want something like FFXII but with the look of Fallout. Let me get a party and set up gambits to.

Would be so rape.

>>385096613
>games with objectively best gameplay are the last
Kys yourself

>>385082825
Objective truth incoming:
2>1>tactics>nv>3>4

>>385096721
Wasteland 2 then. I guess.

>just be ready for the robot rapetrain difficulty spike by levelling up your squad into energy weapons and stockpiling them ready for when you suddenly start facing robots nigh immune to everything else you've got

>>385097104
Nope that isn't what I want either. That game doesn't look appealing either.

...desu the genre just doesn't seem too appealing to me. I guess the vision of it I have in my head just hasn't been done yet.

>>385088187

except that you personally can shape the entire future of the region and the midwest BoS through your choices, with anything from enclave 2.0 human purist fanatic tech monkeys to utopian unity conglomerate of all the races of the wasteland.

>not making a BoS comprised of humans, ghouls, deathclaws, supermutants and robots.

WTFRU even doing?

i mean, you must not have played the fucking game, like, at all.

factions are stupidly important in tactics. you'll miss the 'best' recruits not keeping factions on side. hell, there's like 3 different factions just for GHOULS ffs.

of course you're gonna have a much higher focus on combat in tactics, it's a game about being a BoS warrior and moving up the ranks of the knights. it's still an rpg using the f1/2 system playing exactly the same way, only this time as well as controlling your own character, you get a squad too.

and 'relying on gear stats' is retarded.

just try using the M2 from your first dead supermutant without weapon handling / gunner / big guns skill etc...

>>385092147

Some one never played ToB

>bullshit timestopping mage enemies with abu dazims Horrid wilting etc

>bullshit contingency and spell trigger AND timestop enemies

>>385096665

> i got called out for being a retard! i better call him DUMB! HA! SEE! now i don't have to admit i'm a fuckwit talking abou games i never played!!!

just STFU and GTFO already.
tactics is a great fallout and a great RPG.

>>385097104
hmm, there's new battletech then?

it's got the tabletops simulataneous turn system thingy going on adapted to vidya.

>>385088128
Modern Obsidian or somone as good as classic Obsidian?

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>>385098347
Is the new battletech game out of beta? I need some mech goodness.

Fuck off retards. Fallout 3 is clearly better than 4 despite it's flaws. None of you actually 3 a chance because if you did you'd realise it's an enjoyable 7/10 game.

>>385082825
Dead Money > Lonesome Road > New Vegas > Old World Blues > Honest Hearts.

>>385098468
not yet.

it is really great though.

the geral gist of a fight is about syncing up your mechs initiatives to stack hitting the same enemy mech with missiles and autocannons so that it becomes unstable and falls over ( or melee, just wait until your silly urban mech thats about to die headbutts an atlas in the balls and knocks it down) allowing the rest of your mechs in that phase of the turn to get free called shots on specific components of the prone mech.

you can also get pilot injuries and such that fucks with the enemy or can even kill them, from hitting the mech with kinetic stuff.

the pilots stats actually matter. especially if you match them to a mech. like putting a pilot with high 'guts' stats (makes them 'tough') in a hot mech, effectively gives you a higher heat gauge for that mech because the pilot driving it can stand temperatures in the cockpit that'd make a lesser pilot faint

>>385098468
Cont.

different mechs have different iniiativew innately, so a urbie will react and move further / better, than an 100 t atlas

(which is where you'll be using your lighter mechs to buttfuck heavier tonnages)

jumpjets seem kinda OP at the moment because you can choose any facing you like with them

(and a 'death from above' pilot takes half dmg from his DFA attempts driving one, which can lead to your shadowhawks facestomping heavies realy good.)

hell, not even a basic 'autocanon' is the same from mech to mech.

because they've brough in the different manufacturers. so, like, the Orion's autocannon shoots a single slug that seems to crit really easily and practically ignore armour, like an HEAP shell or something.

whereas a hunchie's ac 20 blasts off a chain of shots that seem to have low individual hit chances, but collectively can rape an enemy mech with just a few volleys.

>>385099018
initiative*

>>385098468

lurms are great just like they should be. their range profiles of all the different weapons means you do have to worry about positioning, flanking, cover, for instance if you try LRM'ing a light mech, running, through forest, at under the 'minimum range' your LRM mech will have like 15 % chance of hitting.

but if you have your lrm mech unload on a stationary target trying to whale on one of your other mechs, and have it attack before your others do, you just might destabilise it under the waves of impacts and knock it down o your others can nuke it right in the ct / head

>>385098828
>>385099018
>>385099202
Sounds fun.

>>385082825
1 = NV > 2 > 3 > 4

>>385099284
i would google the shit out of youtube clips of game footage. the beta just has skirmish mode atm, but that is fun and scratches all the stompy robot itches you could want it to.

>that feel when i had a trebuchet unload on an enemy shad, then had my shad shoot it in the face, making it fall over and injuring the pilot, which let my orion driver clean it up with an alpha strike to the head.

there's so much cool stuff you can do.

i had a match where the ai focused down one of my shadowhawks, and he died so hard, on one turn i had him stand his mech up after getting knocked down and having his lefts side blown off ( arm and torso) leac=ving him with almost no weapons, so i got him to PUNCH one of the enemy mechs in the face, which brutalised it ewnough that i could kill it with my other mechs, and keep him alive until the very very end of the match.

>mfw he punched out and lived.

dude deserved a medal.

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Defend THIS, NVermin

>>385100423
Power armor is gay

>>385100007
>>385100062
I'm so excited for this, but I'm coming from the front page and I've just noticed this is a Fallout thread.

>>385100423
All companions can wear power armor you dolt

>>385100549
This is the same game with the dog and super mutant companions, right?

>>385084962
Go back to /pol/ antisemitic prick

>>385100627
All human and ghoul companions can wear power armor.
Happy now?

>>385100527
well, it quickly devolved into a

>'skyrim with guns is the only real fallout, fallout 1 2 and tactics aren't even rpgS!!! they don't even play like CoD so they don't even count as video games!!!!

shitfest.

NV > 1 > 2 > 3 > Shelter > 4
The Pitt > Point Lookout > Mothership Zeta > Operation:Anchorage
Lonesome Road > Dead Money > Old World Blues > Honest Hearts
Waiting for a huge discount on a key site for 4's DLC, fuck buying that garbage full price.
Haven't played Tactics yet.

>>385100991
No, I'm not. Where's the Power armour for dogs?

>>385101086
i can highly reccomned tactics.

if you don't plan ahead the enemies will happily murderise the shit out of your squad.

>>385101086

>even in power armour.

>yfw you fuck up and your power armoured invulnerable murder knight walks face first into three RPG's and a plasma rifle

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>>385100423
power armor is for fags

I really don't know why people like 1 so much. The second game improves upon the first one in basically every way.


Anyway, NV > 2 > 1 > 4

haven't played 3

>people put Old World blues abovew Dead Money and Lonesome Road

might be the same people who prefer Uncharted over TLoU or those who prefer Capeshit over the Godfather

>>385094158
>Loli lover, Realistic genitalia

W-What?

>>385100423
>Power armour

Fuck off with that gay shit. Give me my veteran ranger armour any day over that shit.

You arrive to Red Rock Canyon anon. What do you do?

>>385082825

2>NV=1>>>>>4>>>>>shit>>>>>>3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BoS

>>385104315

>implying anything NCR even approaches the beginning of /fa/ that is Midwest BoS PA

>putting NV over 1 or 2
Remove yourself obsicuck

>>385105163
Be helpful to the great khans, show respect to Papa, convince them it's in their best interests to break off the alliance with Caesar, then Convince them to suicide rush the dam, ending the khan niggers for good.

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I would say...
2 > 1 = NV > 4 > 3

F4 has many, many, issues but It's kinda fun to play. Gunplay is decent.
I had more fun than with F3 which I reinstalled recently.

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>>385083048
(you)

>>385082901
this

>>385083158
People who still think 3 was better than 4 are delusional.

>>385091823
Not to mention the fact that melee is a complete afterthought in FO4 and not even viable sometimes (Looking at you Super Mutant Elevator sequence)

>>385084812
Do any of NV's DLCs contain plagiarism? Far Harbor contains plagiarism. The main story is retarded on several levels. Also the fog is a shitty stand-in for the Sierra Madre's cloud, and a less interesting concept for multiple reasons.
>>385108465
And they even had Skyrim to build from with its general run of improvements to the melee system.

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>>385082825
RPG wise:
2 > 1 >>> NV > 4 = 3 >>> DLCs for both NV and 3

Personal enjoyment and general gameplay:
4 > NV = 2 > 1 >>> NV DLCs > 3 > Fallout 3 DLCs

Tactics can suck a dick.

>>385106947
Goddamit should have done this. There is always a next playthrough I suppose. quest bugged out on me so I had to solve the khan problem manually, not that it wasn't satisfying

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Loved every 3d Fallout, but no matter how many times I try, I just can't get into 1 and 2.

And usually I'm not the type of guy to complain about outdated controls and mechanics in old games, it's just these two in particular that no matter what, I can't enjoy. It sucks because it seems like most people here consider them among the best Fallout games and I feel like I'm missing out

>>385108943
tell me more about this plagiarism.

>>385111158
what do you think is the problem with 1 and 2 then?
i personally haven't noticed any, except some pathing/movement issues in 1

>>385087218
Have contrarians gone too far?

What is this shit

Why even mention Mothership zeta Jesus Christ

>>385091076
>Fallout 2 is the closest thing to a true RPG that ever existed in videogame medium.
what the fuck am I reading?

1>3>2>NV>4

You know this to be true, obsidrones.

>>385112242
>being this shit at baiting

>>385112372
Your game was shit, Josh.

>>385091738
don't listen to the memes about 3 and 4; we have a codexfag infestation.
give them a try and form your own opinion

>>385112124
I'm a babby who started with 3 and then NV, and I agree with him

>>385112421
even if it was shit, it's nowhere near as shitty as fo3. hell, even fo4 is better than that pile of garbage

>>385112848
Keep telling yourself that, NMAnchild.
And congrats on being buttblasted for ten whole years.

>>385112242
1>3>2
This is how you know someone is baiting. The only reason people would ever pick 1 over 2 is lore, and 3 shat all over the lore of Fallout.

>>385113672
>3 shat all over the lore of Fallout

maybe if you actually played the game instead of parroting debunked macroimages, you would see differently.

>>385113039
wait, why am i buttblasted and what am i buttblasted about?
i actually don't need to tell myself, i remember it everytime i try to play fo3 for the dlc's. the game is garbage and even you know it

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>>385113819
Low effort, anon. Low effort.
Stop wasting my time, filth.

>>385114236
>faggot who didn't play the game
>calls other low effort

this is why our fanbase is worse than dark souls

>>385082825
the delusion of NV fans is astronomical just because it had a better story (worse map) than 3, they try amd pass it off as thr second coming of tetris. it was a comprehensive mod of fo3 at best that had some good characters. but acting like it was anything but the typical bethesda shitfest (i know it was modded by obsidian but that doesnt change the fact that the engine is still bonkers) is just plain stupid.

but oh no, let me blow up the powder keggers again because it simply is the pinacle of video gaming

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NV

Shelter

2

4

3

Brotherhood

Tactics

1


This is the correct order.