>amazing mobility >great damage >no counters Why

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>>385027331
>no counters

>>385027331
cos most players aren't good enough to take on more than one opponent at once with him. also atomizer scouts can absolutely ruin him

>>385027463
If you get killed by a pyro as a soldier you should just seriously uninstall

>>385027463
PYRO TO COUNTER SOLDIER
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>amazing mobility
>great damage
>no counters
Why is this allowed?

>>385027796
shes gay

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>kids that just started playing TF2 crying about things being "OP" and trying to change the balance of the game
>mfw they've succeeded

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>>385027796
>no counters
>HOOK
>FLASHBANG
>HACKING

pls

>>385027518
>Atomizer scouts

Should someone tell him?

i can't wait for the pyro update when they finally remove the soldier

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>>385027939
>All these Pyro nerfs because he's literally only good against stupid players

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>>385027463
>pyro counters soldier

Soldier's not the best class, he's just incredibly easy to use because of splash damage, high HP, and a huge variety of unlocks. I'd go as far as saying that Demoman in 2017 takes more skill to play effectively than a Soldier.

>>385027945
>HOOK
>HACKING

If the enemy team has a Sombra or Roadhog you've already won. All of Tracer's counters are such horrible characters that Tracer effectively has no counters.

>>385028205
Soldier has always had the highest skill ceiling in TF2
Demopologetics, get out!

>>385027961
anon i...

>>385027463
*unzips shotgun*

>>385028205
Rocket jumping is the most skillful mechanic in the game
Go back to sticky spamming

>>385028354
>needing shotgun to shit on pyros

>>385028205
>demoman takes skill

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>>385028458
but he does
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLo5Nqo7w0w

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>>385028274
>being this much of a meta slave

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>Rocket jumps across the map
>Decimates your team with crockets
>Rocket jumps away with 110 health
Nothin' personnel maggot.....

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>>385028779
sup

>>385028617
>meta slave

Yeah I bet you kick ass without any tanks or healers on your team right?

The entire game is about heroes countering one another, dumbfuck. The game itself enforces a meta, that's why it actually bitches at you about suboptimal team comp, because if you play bad characters you will lose.

>>385027796
>>385027896
>>385027945
>>385028274
>>385028617
>>385028946
Get the fuck out Overwatch niggers
This is a TF2 thread

>>385028421
>>385028331
>what is stickyjumping

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>>385028458
*scottish gibberish*

>>385028946
>play Pharah regularly
>opposite team has zen, McCREE and Old man on opposite team
>still win

it's not a hard game, anon

>light soldier on fire
>they spin around and instantly shoot
>airblast right when they turn


There is like no counter to this, no matter how good you are, you will shoot reflexively at the person behind you. And if you pull out your shotty you're not killing the pyro.

>>385028617
>>being this much of a meta slave
Anon meta slaving is literally the core gameplay for OW because the skill ceiling is in face fuck range of the floor.

>>385028779
>he doesn't shoot a rocket while landing to stop fall damage

you could seriously get in and out with 160 hp.

>>385029130
Pharah's counters have to aim. She's one of the only characters that can outskill her counters if the people playing the counters are shit.

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>>385029125
*Texan gibberish*

>>385029134
How exactly do you get behind a soldier when he's flying all over the map firing crockets at you?

>>385029125
>uber cold feet

I swear to god this is the worst, its why i avoid medics.

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>>385029125
>everyone on blu just stands still in utter defeat

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>>385029336
>uber cold feet
what?

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>>385029307
cape the nigger


Seriously though pyro is all about flanking, you should be behind the enemy team a lot.

>>385029439
uber stage fright?
uber performance anxiety?
uber butterflies?
uber hysterical aphonia?

>>385029221
Could you get in and out without going under 200 if overhealed?

>>385027331
A Soldier without gunboats mobility is easily destroyed by Demo
A Soldier without shotgun hitscan is easily destroyed by Scout

>>385029453
>flanking a soldier
You only play against shitters

>>385029569
yes

if you jump correctly you only take 11 damage.

>>385029125
This gave me anxiety.

>>385027585
>>385027682
>>385028168
I feel like these are pyro mains falseflagging.

I miss tf2. Are there still fun servers?

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>>385029453
>flanking a soldier as pyro

>>385029581
>still win the game

>pyro is underpowered! Remove soldier!
>well here are some ways proven to effectively use pyro against-
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I'M NOT LISTENING I'M NOT LISTENING BLAHBLAHBLAH

You're the kind of fags who mourned over the phlog nerf.

>>385029221
Taking falldamage is worth for having +1 rocket assuming the enemy is right there

>>385029125
This is fucking hilarious. I'm laughing my ass off because he's somewhat playing Demoman correctly, it's just his aim is slightly off on everything, just enough so that he fucking whiffed everything.

The sticky bomb placement at the beginning is what you want to do, it's setting up to insta-gib the soldier as he backpedals into it and hopefully get the medic as well, but he overshot it and the soldier was smart enough to know not to backpedal into that shit. Then with the grenade pipes and bottle, his aim was just slightly off.

>>385029925
I mean Pyro does not counter soldier, not even close.

>>385030254
you shoot the enemy with the rocket that you save yourself from fall damage with.

and this isn't some "oh if I get really lucky"
like you can pull this off really reliably if you can rocket jump well.

>>385029221
Just edgebug bro or find a ramp.

>>385030408
if your rocket to stop the fall damage hits an enemy youll take full damage from the rocket

>>385028421
>muh rocket jumping

You literally don't even have to be that good in at RJ for it to be completely useful. Soldier is easy as fuck and RJ is the only *somewhat* difficult thing.

>>385030579
no?

hitting their feet while you're at their head height is enough space.

>>385028421
>flicks hand a little and presses crouch then jump

yeah man you tell em this is really hard

>>385030384
pyro only really counters medic and spy and he can't really do the former alone
of course pyro is just an enormous goddamned mess of a class with a bunch of weird gimmicks and a bizarre skill curve

>>385030408
This sounds so unattainable to me. How the fuck do people get so good at rocket jumping?

I understand the basic concept but I must be doing something wrong. The best I can do is semi-reliably jump up to a high or far away platform, and I take like 35 damage doing it. Every video tutorial I've seen if just like "hold jump, crouch and fire at the same time, practice aiming for awhile, and you should be able to fly across the map and market gardener people in no time".

>>385030586
>I don't know what I'm talking about
Post a clip of you rocket jumping and fragging effectively
I mean even projectiles take more skill to aim than hitscan

>>385029307
>on imageboards
>soldier stays 95% of the time in the air and decimates the whole enemy team all by himself then stomps on a sniper and kills an invisible spy with a shovel and then everyone on the bus starts clapping

>in game
>soldier spams rockets in the general direction of a chokepoint while being healed by his pocket, sometimes even destroys a sentry when he feels like it

>>385030886
>pyro only really counters medic and spy
doesn't counter these either, sniper and scout are much better at countering medics and with the dead ringer as it is right now only scout can keep up with a cloaked spy.

>valve is going to try and "fix" pyro


what are the chances they actually make him worse
like way worse?

Like that Yer "buff" is making me worried.

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>>385031014
>even projectiles take more skill to aim than hitscan
>says le splash damage man

>>385031098
>what are the chances they actually make him worse
At this point I think there's more chances that the update never comes out than it coming out and being shit

>>385030982
jump servers and practice really.

that and memorizing rollouts and knowing good rocket jump bait. Like high walls or ramps and shit.

>>385031038
>"My work here is done"
>"But you didn't even do anything!"
>"Did I?"
>Rocket jumps away then dies from fall damage

>>385031114
hes right.

Shit like sniper rifle will always be easier to aim than the hunstman.

>>385031114
>splash damage isn't just a bonus
>you don't need to aim well to frag effectively
Lmao why am I even talking to shitters

>>385031098
it's valve man they fuck everything up

>>385031357
Well the fuck huntsman doesn't give you damage if you hit an arrow in the ground, it's a sidegrade weapon for fun. Claiming that aiming rockets it's harder than hitscan in a game about speed it's fucking retarded.

>>385031251
How long should you practise before getting decent? I've probably spent a couple hours on it total, and I don't think I'm making much progress. I've never tried a dedicated jump server though.

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>>385031423
Please use this red pen to underline where in my post did I say that.

>>385031491
...

but thats totally true. I can land a center shot with hitscan easilly on moving targets, rockets and projectiles require a lot more lead and distance forsight.

Hell hitting with hitscan is easier than hitting someone with splash.

>>385031557
>I've never tried a dedicated jump server though

do it
It will make you a man in terms of rocket jumping, you will be forced to do something so perfectly that you'll more than likely give up.
but its good practice and it will make you better faster.

>>385031098
They will give him one new weapon which will be nerfed into ground next week. Particle system stays same. Status-quo of all classes stays same with some differences brought by other balance changes, Pyro has no hand in this at all, he's still stuck in hell of unreliable fire and shit distance, being raped into shreds by Conch Box Vacc'd Soldier.
Any big change now is impossible, since it will need fine tuning, and people who help Valve balancing shit now are not interested in wasting time to balance class they probably never meet for more than one minute per few matches.

>>385031423
>1100 HU/s projectile not having counterplay at any range where it won't cause self-damage
nice meme

>>385031703
Is that why the Demo is the best class at tanking damage? Huh, well you look at that.

>>385031557
>a couple hours
Gettin good at rocket jumping takes a long time, anon.

>>385031585
You implied it
Saying projectiles are easier to aim than hitscan is ridiculous considering you have to account for the travel time
Splash damage alone isn't enough to kill effectively. Not to mention the Direct Hit exists

>>385031893
>tanking damage

what

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>>385028274
>Sombra
>Bad

>>385028274
>sombra
>bad
hah

>>385031813

Who uses the conch with a vaccinator?

>>385029053
why can't they just live together in peace?

>>385032029
>>385032034
uh

>>385029280
YEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAWWW

>>385031703
I think its a problem of terrain, if you fought in a completely vast wide open area with no height differences or cover of any kind than people would see how much easier hitscan is than any projectile.

>>385031798
Ok, thank you for your help. I'll give it a go.
>>385031925
That's encouraging. I'll keep at it. A lot of tutorials treat it like you just need to fluff about for 30 minutes in an empty server and you'll become a god.

>>385032096
who uses the conch

>>385029930
Probably, but I'd assume anything still around would try to keep itself hidden for obvious reasons. Party Van tried getting ressurected a few weeks ago and it was fun enough to get me to reinstall the game, but it died after a week because it was missing a lot of shit from the older Party Van server and the admin was kind of gay.

>>385032112
because overwatch is actively ruining shooters around it.

its so bad but so well recieved that devs are going to make some awful decisions.

>>385031956
>kills = dps

Wrong. Projectiles are easier to aim and that's why classes like the Demo fuck shit up with the SL, he might not get kills but he deals so much damage that he makes for easy kills, that's the point I'm trying to make.

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>>385032117

>>385032164
soldiers

>>385027331
>no counters
>also happens to not counter any classes in the game
what's the problem?

>>385032117
Stevenfag here, it was not a mistake. Same-thought hivemind shit.

Who /alreadygivenuphopeofPyroeverbeinggoodandswitchedtoMedicmain/ here?

>>385032321
counters sentries in the open
counters anything not sniper related in the open
Counters anything on high ground by getting higher ground
counters pyro with said high ground (honestly if pyros could catch up to soldiers easilly this wouldn't be such an issue but this is what really makes the pyro counter null)

>>385032246
They are not. Even with the SL you still need to predict where people will be. Sure you can spam it and get lucky with it, but's that's different from what a competent demo can do with it.

Sniper is the best
He has no direct counters
Look at me haiku

>>385032549
>you still need to predict where people will be
Are you don't do this with hitscan?

>>385032458
sombra would be an amazing idea if she worked.
I honestly can't believe they haven't introduced a silencer class earlier.

like silencing in a moba shooter should be the first thing they add.

>>385032112
Because Blizzard is shit, whereas GabeN is Jesus Christ reincarnated. May he be praised

>>385032596
>tfw I said this back in 2012 but people laughed at me

>>385029125
If you add a dancing Demo in Lumberyard in between this would be perfect!

>>385032634
Do you even know what hitscan is?

>>385032596
He's the hypothetical best.

AKA he's the best if we had perfect aim 100% of the time, but since we cannot then he isn't the best.

>>385032634
>Are you don't do this with hitscan?
no? do you even play the game?
You flick over them so you don't have to rely on where they're going.

>>385032752
Sniper has been the most powerful class in the game since release.

This is fact

>>385032808
Yes? My point here is that reading movement and prediction is one of the fundamentals of any First Person Shooter, hitscan or not.

>>385032842
>he doesn't land 99/100 headshots

>>385032752

You can kind of counter sniper with vaccinator, works well against hackers.

>>385032941
no matter how fast they move you can always align the cursor over them and fire immediately.

projectiles can't do this.

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>>385031557
Depends on the map. Most of the older vanilla maps are a massive pain in the ass to rocket jump on because they're not designed with it in mind. Lots of chokepoints and sharp geometry makes it difficult to keep a jump going. Compare that to a map like cp_process where there is lots of open space and ramps that make it easy for even a f2p soldier to go flying across the map with a bit of practice.

Don't try to do the fancy jumps first. Instead look at your favorite maps and come up with your own jumps to get from spawn to the front quickly. You have a lot of freedom when it comes to rocket jumps you don't have to copy the pros if your jumps are "good enough". Consistency > Speed

If you want a good pub map to practice on play badwater and upward. They're some of my favorite maps to jump on and there are a lot of possibilities.

>>385032960
>muh get gud get lmaobox

Neither do you, otherwise you would be the best TF2 player in the world.

>>385027463
*aims down feet*

>>385032637
She works great, but she relies on good team communication. Her hack has some killer clutch support, and really when you come to her with the idea that she's not really a damage character, and more a support role, you realize how valuable she can be.

She can set up really good teamfight initiations, if she can get behind enemy lines, and her health pack hack, with the right mindset, can be supplemented for an extra healer. She gets her ult quickest (Than anyone else in the game) if her team actually uses her health packs. Having an EMP every fight is a pretty intimidating thing, and it nullifies enough things that it can completely destroy a wipe attempt.

I think she works. But team communication sucks if you don't have at least 3 friends to play with.

>>385033067
Yes retard but that's not the point, you point at people by reading their movements and predicting their movement patterns, then click. You are predicting/reading regardless.

>>385027585
>If you get killed by a pyro as a soldier you should just seriously uninstall
>Pyro sits there waiting to reflect me
>I rocket jump and bomb the medic
good shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am71J2RchsE

>>385027331
Just play a scout and hope you're not inside some enclosed area

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>>385027463

all my reflect kills in TF2 are like my footstool KOs in smash bros

completely accidental

>>385033015
A single sniper maybe, still can't do shit if the hacker has a cooperative team. It's too bad Valve doesn't care enough about the game to improve their VAC system.

>>385027463
*edge splashes you*

Don't even need a shotgun

>>385033078
Also forgot to mention if you want to practice a specific jump just do this
1. open console
2. map map_name
3. sv_cheats 1
4. addcond 5
5. bind mouse1 "+attack; impulse 101"
6. bind key "noclip"
Replace key with a button of your choosing, mouse4 or mouse5 are good if you have extra mouse buttons.
if you don't like having to noclip over and over you can also use getpos and setpos and bind that to a key to instantly teleport you to a spot.

>>385029053
wow, racist much?

>>385032216
FITH has a pretty good server that has lots of maps and is mostly full during 7-9

>>385029125
Anyone got the link to this? The music makes it better.

>>385029280
>>385029125
What is it about badlands that deteriorates these player's abilities?

>>385033615
Got you covered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYWlWxOUJWc

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Ya'll just got branded, and another thing,
you're ugly

>>385033219
its not prediction if I can turn around and shoot someone instantly.

theres no movement reading, I simply take an image and shoot within a millisecond. I don't care where hes moving I shoot the guy where he is at that moment.

thats not "predicting or following movements' at all. and no where NEAR the level that projectiles require. the amount required to predict or follow movement is so insignificant that you would have to be horrible at the game to think its a big deal.

>>385033904
Thanks man.

>>385034114
God you are retarded

>>385032532
>counters sentries in the open
EVERY class can "counter" a sentry in the open, Soldiers aren't unique to exploiting shitty sentry placement.
>counters anything not sniper related in the open
yes, and a scout can counter a heavy by shooting at him
>Counters anything on high ground by getting higher ground
you make it sound like soldiers are angels of death who are in the air 95% of the time, nobody wants to constantly risk splash damage to get one or two rockets down and be left vulnerable while reloading aside from whipping out a shotgun, keyword being constantly
>counters pyro with said high ground (honestly if pyros could catch up to soldiers easilly this wouldn't be such an issue but this is what really makes the pyro counter null)
If you're taking on Soldiers from the front as a Pyro you're generally doing it wrong

You morons conflate counters with balance too much, which is a lapse in logic when you try to apply it to a versatile class like Soldier which is good overall but doesn't particularly excel at anything other than rocketjumping which is not the deciding factor in most fights unless you're really fucking skilled at it, at which point you deserve it. Soldier doesn't have much in the way of hard counters because there's not much to counter. He's just a dude with a rocket launcher, he can offset his weaknesses at a cost (rocket launcher reloading times, sacrificing health for speed/gaining height through rocketjumping). Any moron can decently play the role Heavy is intended for, but much like a comp Sniper, a skilled Soldier is nightmarish.

>>385032532
momentary situational advantages is not a counter to something, anon
and demoman is better for destroying sentries in most cases

>>385034251
>yes, and a scout can counter a heavy by shooting at him
Natasha destroys scouts

>>385034389
>and demoman is better for destroying sentries in most cases

in all cases except out in the open.
like I said

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>touching the ground
>ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAEOiIF8Piw

>>385034251
>you make it sound like soldiers are angels of death who are in the air 95% of the time, nobody wants to constantly risk splash damage to get one or two rockets down and be left vulnerable while reloading aside from whipping out a shotgun, keyword being constantly

you make it sound like the game doesn't have high ground all over in the map that the soldier can abuse the fuck out of and be at an advantage all the time.

its not that hes in the air, its that he can get a surprise attack or simply hold an advantageous position.

This is broken because most maps are balanced around a teams vertical positioning.

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>>385034030
!!!

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>>385034470
except the only heavies who use it are dogshit and it does piss damage
a competent stock heavy is much scarier to fight than a potato using the natascha

>>385032532
In the developer commentary they actually say Soldier is designed as the best long range anti sentry class.

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>>385027585
>>385027682
>>385028168
>>385028354
>>385033159
>>385033416
>>385033547
>all these mad soldier mains
ell ohh ell

>>385034517
it kind of sucks how much of this is memorization though. like its nearly impossible to reevaluate the map and see new paths to take mid fight. Its just getting some where REALLY quickly.

still cool though.

soldier's strong as fuck
it's telling that his worst matchup is against scout, and even that is around a 50-50

>>385034517
I still don't understand dolphin jumping

>>385029125
in-character as fuck

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>>385034905
you don't really need to be doing 4+ jumps everywhere, 2 is usually enough and you can improvise those on the fly.

like that long jump from blu spawn on upward looks cool as fuck but you land right in front of the enemy team with no ammo or health. there's not much reason to do it except for fun.

>>385034730
A competent stock heavy destroys everything anyway, only way to kill or dissuade the lad(assuming med shoved up his ass), is through massive spam, a sentry, or a sniper which isn't shit(rare)

>>385034517
Most of those jumps are useless

>>385035002
what the fuck is dolphin jumping?

>>385029125
>all those misses leading to a win

I kek'd

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>rocket jumping soldier jumping around the map
>Equip quick fix and go flying with him

>>385035168
I just want to be able to do the slope jump shit where you fly off into space.

Wonder how the mantreads are going to work with unlimited boost now.

Last touched this shit September of 2016

Is there still any fun buried within, enough to grab a friend with and revisit some fun times?

>>385035258
if you rocketjump in water correctly you get a HUGE free rocket jump where you basically hit max speed.

>>385032532
>counters sentries in the open
Wrangler/short circuit
>counters anything not sniper related in the open
Airblast
>Counters anything on high ground by getting higher ground
Airblast/heavy/demo/scout
>counters pyro with said high ground (honestly if pyros could catch up to soldiers easilly this wouldn't be such an issue but this is what really makes the pyro counter null)
Detonator/power jack

>>385035246
there aren't any videos of practical jumps you can use in an actual game, but it's still better than a montage on some jump map nobody's ever heard of.

>>385035454
>Airblast/heavy/demo/scout

these are hard countered by high ground.

>Detonator/power jack
oh you're just being stupid on purpose.

>>385035246
But they look cool

Looking cool>actually killing people

>>385035246
every CP jump is incredibly useful.

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>people like this are in charge of telling valve about balance changes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSkK2flXH68

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>>385034470
That's true, but I was being sarcastic there

>>385034623
What makes you think exploiting advantageous positions is unique to Soldiers? A Soldier can't camp the high ground forever anyways on grounds related to limited ammo and chokepoints being able to move to other sections of the map where the high ground isn't necessarily always present or safely accessible. Nor are Soldiers with the high-ground the end-all be-all once you start thinking with teams. Try spreading your liberty and freedom after a Sniper has you in his sights, or a pocketed Heavy simply tanking your shit like it's nothing. To complain that a Soldier being able to effectively utilize a high ground advantage more is grounds for nerfing is silly. Just because a class excels in a certain situation doesn't mean they need to be entirely changed for the sake of balance, nor does it mean they are impossible to deal with to begin with. It's like trying to complain about getting owned by Snipers when you enter the open if you are that serious about high ground being an instant-win.

>>385035439
never heard it called that, not really all that useful since most maps don't have water
if I had to guess the extra speed you get is caused by the source engine giving the player vertical speed to help them jump out of water and that gets added onto the jump.

>>385032532
Just use the detonator, you can just harass them off high ground like a Demo would with his stickies

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Why does a GOOD scout decimate an enemy team every time?

>soldier rocket jumps onto a spire that takes about 10 seconds to travel up
>he can abuse sightlines and has huge cover on you while you're trying to get to him
>this isn't a big deal

>>385035340
>I just want to be able to do the slope jump shit where you fly off into space.
this is actually pretty easy. rampsliding is all about the speed and angle you hit the ramp. if you're going fast enough you'll just slide right up it.

>>385035924
Because scout is the strongest class in the hands of a skilled player.

How would you realistically buff Heavy and Pyro to be on par with Scout, Demo, and Soldier in usefulness?
Fuck spies, they deserve their incoming nerf.

>>385035924
high mobility
little to no downside for this mobilty besides health
high damage that is achieved by succesfully using the mobility
no downside for doing this

hes basically get good and win good

>>385035924
Gun that's powerful with aim + outstanding mobility

>>385034872
Those are just pyros mains falseflagging though.

>>385035747
Why is b4nny such a fag?

>>385035567
>rocket jump right in front if heavy
>not get shredded

Can you at least try to sound like you play the game?

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>>385036078
Fix the problems with pl and ad maps so that defense classes are useful more often.
Defense classes are terrible on 5cp because the gamemode demands versatility but in pl and ad where one team is always defending now you can run them fulltime.

>>385036078
make them way better at what they do and don't focus at what the other classes do.

give them even more edge within their own departments too.

Like give the pyro a sidegarb that lets him store projectiles, make him a huge projectile counter. Or a side garb that lets him suck players towards him so he can kill them.

Make the GRU really good at redeploying from spawn but worse if they try to push it past that.

give heavy more tools to allow him to hold down a position better. like a shield or something that stops 100 damage and any damage after that (like a headshot would only hit the shield)

itd be hard to balance and I don't think anyone here has a golden idea. you'd need people that actually made the game work with people that know what they're talking about.

>>385036626
>rocketjump ontop of a structure
>heavy can't fire at me because I'm out of his sight line and I'm popping off 100 damage shots on him every second while hes grazing me


heavies suck if the location is in soldiers favor buddy

>>385035924
>oh fuck where did our intel go
>that Scout just ran past our entire team, someone fucking get him
>we do have an engie, right?
>NOT OUR INTEL AGAIN
>stand still you fucking cunt
>why is there nobody on the fucking CAP
>oh christ our medic
>this shotgun fucking HURTS
>HOW DOES HE KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH OUR INTEL?

>>385035942
>he can abuse sightlines and has huge cover on you while you're trying to get to him
shooting rockets at longer ranges is just to get other classes like Sniper to stop firing and move their ass, the stock rocket travel time isn't that big of a deal
And most maps have multiple sightlines to harass a Soldier on towers with a Sniper, a demoman spamming stickies, and a Pyro with a flaregun, also a Pyro's airblast doubling for deflection and pushing a Soldier off the tower

>>385036078
Heavy is actually pretty fine, he does his job, about the only major change I would do is make Miniguns 60 bullets per second instead of 40 to make his damage and aim more consistent, 6 damage bullets fired 6 at a time, instead of 9 damage bullets fired 4 at a time, so the DPS is still the same.

>>385036078
make the push and pull gameplay better so defense classes are more useful.

>>385036761
>100 damage

There's this thing called damage falloff, and heavy always has a pocket behind him.

>>385036771
>we do have an engie, right?
this hurts the most
you either have a dumbass engie who is building in the wrong spot or a battle texan

>>385028153
The strategy for Pyro is literally W + LMB. Sure, you'll get fucked by anyone who's played the game for more than a femtosecond but it's really easy to play and good for new players.
As a medic main, I fucking hate pyrovison + (ghostly) gibus pyros who just stare at me while I melt, oblivious to the fact that they can airblast to put out teammates.

>>385036894
if you're above a heavy and shooting down at him the damage fall off isn't that big.

>but if theres a medic

and now its 2 v 1 and you're not even killing the soldier who could be popping your medic.

High ground hard counters heavy my man.

>>385036894
>Deal chip damage with the first 3 rockets
>Last rocket fired is a crit
GET GOOD GET LMAOBOX XDD

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ok /v/ you already named my gun time to give it a description
6 decides

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Would Pyro be too broken with drastically buffed movement speed? It's pretty frustrating to see DR spies shank a teammate, escape at Scout speed and be able to do nothing about it.

>>385036974
or your team is winning so hard that the engy is just a supplement like a medic without an uber.

never a middle ground, engy always gets run over or the team is a concrete wall against a garden hose

>>385037091
"lol"

>>385037091
reddit is filled with manchildren that have poor tastes

>>385027331
hey guess what nigger I don't care that is literally objectively factually the most fun character in the game and if you disagree with me you are a contrarian shill cuck

>>385036652
>Like give the pyro a sidegarb that lets him store projectiles, make him a huge projectile counter
Fuck no, old short circuit was cancerous enough.
>Or a side garb that lets him suck players towards him so he can kill them.
Valve already tried this and it broke the netcode.
>give heavy more tools to allow him to hold down a position better. like a shield or something that stops 100 damage and any damage after that
Heavy is already extremely tanky, he doesn't need more health.

>>385037161
yes because thats the scout.

thats really why they nerf the detonator and scorch jumps because a high damage class flying through the air is rediculous.

>>385027796
dude fuck off nobody here wants to hear about your stupid rock paper scissors game

>>385037091
Feel the burn! XD

>>385037161
If he has 175 HP and airblast, then yes.

>>385037253
they're just suggestions

and I still want stored projectiles.
Fuck just let the manmelter vacuum up projectiles for free crits.

>>385032112
Because it's an awfully designed game and you're a piece of shit for supporting it

>>385037285
>>385037343
>tfw getting backburner as scout in randomizer
Right, on second thought, that's a terrible idea.

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>>385028872
sup

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>>385037174
>that match where the entire enemy team has 5 sentries guarding the payload

>>385037091
Go ahead say w+m1 if that makes you feel better

>>385037401
>Averahe

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>>385036992
>Get set on fire
>About to die
>Run for medkit
>Allie Gibus Pyro with superficial damage takes it before me
>Stares at me as I burn to death
>Get to spectate him as I wait for respawn and see him get backstabed by a Spy

>>385037054
If you're close enough to deal 100 damages per rocket, heavy is close enough to shred you the moment you peak out.

Even then, if just camp at this magical high ground, demo can sticky trap you and either kill you or force you to move out. Pyro can use his flaregun and varients to keep dealing chip damages and force you to go scavenge for health packs. Scout can get to the same high ground soldier is on and kill him.

>>385037463
i like this one
why couldnt you get a 6 anon

>>385037436
>Half your team has the brilliant idea to go spy to deal with the sentries

>>385037436
>its an instant respawn server
>there are also 2 spies running around on their team annihilating anyone that tries to shoot the sentries around corners

>>385036078
For Pyro, make flamethrowers into LGs and give him a jetpack that uses his primary ammo.

>>385037091
thanks for killing the thread faggot

do people actually still play this game kek

>>385036078
Heavy needs to be faster but not THAT faster like what the GRU does, I think giving the Heavy the default walking speed of the Soldier would do the trick, and nerf the GRU a little.

I mean holy shit the Heavy is too fucking slow, the 2nd slowest class after him it's like the Demo and Sniper, and they aren't even slow. As for the Pyro I don't know, remove him from the game.

>>385037570
because the 6 will be better

and if its not we can just pretend to like it ironically.
just believe in the number gods

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>>385037590
>same server bans Demomen because of an exploit that crashes the server

>>385037161
If the flamethrower were to break the stealth of a DR Spy, or slow him to a crawl, that'd solve it quite nicely

>>385037161
Then he'd just be a shittier scout.
These are the problems with pro
1. He has multiple crippling bugs
2. He has the lowest skill ceiling and skill floor
3. He has no reliable means of doing damage
4. His support options aren't very good

>>385037580
>deal with the sentry as spy
>no one is pushing
>check the scoreboard

>>385037091
pyro mains are shitters

>>385031259
I laughed.

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>>385037091
>EDIT: Wow, reddit gold!

>>385037091
have fun with your 1 day ban because dubsposting

GRU gives you 60% movement speed but now deals crit damage

you know whats gay they're not removing the minicrit thing in the proposed GRU chagne.

>>385036645
>>385036873
this really, classes like Engineer and Heavy take some time to set up while the rest of your team is defending your point whereas picking the aforementioned classes means you aren't actively participating in the battle, so by the point you get to your point the battle is already lost or has advanced so much that your help isn't really needed anymore. If there's an argument to be made for the existence of minisentries it'd be the aforementioned situation

>>385037054
Anon, you're putting way too much faith into this magical high ground when there's certain counters to it much like everything else in the game. If it was such a dominant strategy then most of us would have experienced something like it, but all you're doing is arguing yourself into a corner.

>>385037906
thank you number gods, truely epic

>>385037906
winner winner chicken dinner

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>>385037906

>>385037909
ban evading is easier then killing spys

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Is TFC worth playing nowadays? Can you get enough players for a match?

>>385037952
>Anon, you're putting way too much faith into this magical high ground when there's certain counters to it much like everything else in the game. If it was such a dominant strategy then most of us would have experienced something like it, but all you're doing is arguing yourself into a corner.

how am I arguing in a corner when they need to add a medic to the equation to make it plausible.

shit if two soldiers were up there the medic would die in splash instantly.

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>uber someone
>they fuck up and we lose
ISHYGDDT, i hate it when they mess up, can someone redpill me on killstreak kits? i have some but they're for classes i dont play like heavy, soldier, pyro, scout and demo

>>385036078
heavy needs options
so faster spindown and actual usable secondary/melee loadouts with thought put into how to apply them in an organized match ie steakvich rollouts/a realistic reason to ever use the shotgun
in the same vein the minigun should also greatly benefit from staying spun up so he has to weigh the risk/reward of swapping off in any situation and so that he has a real, exploitable vulnerability window when swapping back to the minigun and spinning it up

and the pyro needs a lot more than that
but the degreaser being the identity of the class is the main issue, stock needs to be not just usable but good and unique in its niche (cleave damage/movement control, NOT afterburn) so that the degreaser and """combos""" dont even need to exist

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>>385037465
I am ashamed

Reminder to not be such a tryhard and stop going for the objective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMlsSecuzE8

>>385038401
>have an uber
>no one to uber for like 3 minutes
>uber the sniper and he melee crits the team

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>>385038401
>get ubered
>start fumbling and suddenly every weapon needs to reload

>>385038401
>killsteak kits
good goy, give shekels here

>>385038632
I FUCKING HATE this shit

like there are tryhards, theres trying to play the game, and then theres fucking off.

Fucking off is not "casually playing the game"
And trying to playing the game isn't "try harding"

christ almighty.

>>385038135
Read
>>385037540

>>385038632
i like to cap on hightower!!!!!

>>385038135
because the situations you're referring to are mostly 1v1s, which is rarely the case in TF2 unless you're a moron, a Spy, or a Scout going fast. See what good high ground does by standing on the aluminium sheet house on the second round of Dustbowl as a defender. There's way more to these situations and variables in question than 'high ground = win' than George Lucas would have you believe. You can easily test it out for yourself to see where it gets you instead of arguing theoretical bullshit like some academic, but something tells me you're not the bestest Soldier to have ever lived.

>>385038854
>And trying to playing the game isn't "try harding"
they call you a tryhard because you are actually trying to kill them
when ever i see a friendly i just switch to melee and kill them
"tryhards" waste their ammo on someone sitting in the corner with their fists up

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>>385038401
>Get ubered
>Get airblasted by a Pyro over and over
>By time I kill them most of the uber is wasted
EVERYTIME

>>385036078
>Afterburn causes screen distortion
>Afterburn damage and screen distortion intensity increases and stacks when victim is close to allies who are also on fire
>Players on fire can spread afterburn to allies if they are close enough (unless they are a pyro)

personally I would remove all his combo weapons to emphasize him being an ambush class

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>>385038794
yeah what do i do with them?
>trade
hope you like 15 day waits, perhaps i could trade them in bulk for an item of similar value

>>385038401
>out of ammo
>"raus raus"

Don't these retard medics know that you can see how much ammo the guy you're healing currently has?

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>>385038401
>Not checking scoreboard for a competent soldier/heavy before going medic
It's your own fault

I fucking hate the meet your match update, who the fuck was this made for?
>Gotta leave game to play with anyone
>God forbid there's more than six people you wanna play with
>Options otherwise: the fuckin furry pound, 24/7 (map)
>Despite this big faggy esports push, game is absurdly rife with fuckin hackers

>>385039070
He's just a pyro/engie furry shitter trying to falseflag soldier.

>>385039160
>get airblasted by a pyro
>ignore him and use my height advantage to pick off people
>kill the pyro when he thinks hes done enough
>team rolls through the map

I've never had an issue with a pyro airblasting me while ubered.

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>>385038401
>get ubered as a scout
>what the fuck medic
>rush in
>get like 7 kills and get that one achievement too

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>"competitive" is just excuse for shitters to fuck off in casual and assholes to be assholes in competitive

>>385039341
Except when, you know, pyro pushes your medic away or push both to the back instead of up.

>>385039427
its funny because an ubered scout is basically removing the one downside the scout had.

theres no fear to meatshot.


Its just a bad idea to uber scouts because they're usually mediocre.

>>385039030
I just got back into TF2 this month and I'm playing a bit on casual servers because the only way to play competitive is to either give Valve money or my goddamn phone number and I don't understand why some people sperg out over capping on Hightower. Payload Race is fun when you're actually playing it but people seem to treat it like they treat Mario Kart servers. Is there something I'm missing or is that map just a magnet for "friendly" faggots?

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>>385027331
>playing tf2
>too good for newbies
>too bad for pros
>stuck in limbo and have games where I score 100 points or 15 points
Give me more mvm options/maps, I love this game mode.

>>385039469
by the time he did that my team killed him

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>>385039664
>Love playing Wave 666
>Dipshit teammates can never deal with the tank/spy wave

>>385039565
we uber scouts in comp 6s all the time

it's very viable for entries on a lot of maps, it also forces the other team to run a pyro on last if they have anyone respawning

>tfw someone tried to call in an admin for rdm in casual

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>>385039808
>Used to go on a server running different MVM maps on x10
>Wave 666 becomes pretty fun and not a migraine causer
>Now the servers that aren't already full only ever seem to run Decoy and nothing else

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>>385029280
Source please?

>haven't played TF2 since before matchmaking came out
>go into casual
>2fort
>ends right when I get there
>95% vote for 2fort again
>team has 3 different kids under 13 talking on the mic at 2 in the morning
>they are more retarded and bad than people in 24/7 2fort servers

>>385028274
Sombra is way better at confirming kills than literally any other character

Sombra is top tier in high level comp meta, just because bronze and silver faggots are retarded doesn't make her bad

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>>385040968
>plays on retard map
>complains about retards

>>385041645
really makes u thonk

>>385041645
>implying everyone who still plays TF2 isn't a retard

>>385027331
Because there needs to be an easy mode.

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>>385041830

>>385038121
Like 2 months ago there were a decent amount of people for one server at a time.
Usually it was a 2fort server but sometimes a rotation of the stock maps were played.
It was fun but now-a-days I get this weird frame stutter and it's makes the game annoying to play.

>>385040968
>playing a 2fort server at 2 AM

What the fuck did you expect?